FPS Fans: Obviously, Graphics Are The Most Important
Making blanket statements about groups of fans is never a good idea. And if any offended shooter fans want to even the score, feel free to toss out some generalizations of your own. I'm a fan of old-school JRPGs, so accuse me of living in the past, liking male heroes that look like females, and heading off to cosplay conventions. Go right ahead.
Because I'm about to make an observation that is bound to annoy a great many: I look at various major sources and sites like N4G every day, and when it comes to shooters, many of the most popular headlines involve the graphical display of any given FPS title. For example, the #1 story currently on N4G is, "Battlefield 3 Native Resolutions on Consoles Confirmed." And this is very common. People dissecting videos for the slightest visual imperfection and using it as ammunition against the "other" fans (i.e., BF3 vs. MW3), the continual push by publishers to promote the graphics (EA pushing Frostbite 2), etc.
Unless a game features a blend of gameplay that disqualifies it as a first-person shooter (examples would be Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Dead Island), it really seems that graphics are the primary concern. And that's probably because shooters really haven't done anything too different in the past few years, right? Or is it just because fans of the genre are self-admitted graphic whores? Resistance 3 has gotten a ton of flak for not being as refined or polished as upcoming blockbusters, but it's a great shooter. I'm not sure why that fact is being overlooked.
Beyond the EA vs. Activision mud-slinging, it really seems as if any new FPS immediately falls under the graphical microscope, and that's all the fans really care about. Now, I could be wrong. And I'm not insulting the shooter fans for being shallow or something; I'm just wondering if the visual presentation really is most important in their minds. It's a mild, cheerful, unassuming question, so don't freak out...I just wanna know.
Tags: fps, shooters, battlefield 3, modern warfare 3, gaming culture
9/7/2011 11:55:30 AM Ben Dutka
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Comments (61 posts)
LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 12:44:16 PM
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johnld
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 3:19:51 PM
Axe99
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 9:01:23 PM
Excelsior1
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 12:47:47 PM
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the competition in the fps genre is extremely tough right now and unless you have cod or halo in your name developer's need to show up with a top notch presentation just to get their foot in the door.
Last edited by Excelsior1 on 9/7/2011 12:58:13 PM
slugga_status
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 12:48:15 PM
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In a FPS' it's more so about environment and gameplay for me. It doesn't have to look great just descent. If it's fun to play with a good concept then I'm in. If the gameplay in Killzone sucked then I'd careless about how good it looks.
The main things I look for is what I'm able to do and weaponry that I can use and the effects they have..
Highlander
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 12:59:43 PM
slugga_status
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 1:11:11 PM
Qubex
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 11:17:21 PM
Beamboom
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:34:06 AM
I guess this only goes to further prove how there can not be one universally awesome game. :)
Last edited by Beamboom on 9/8/2011 1:37:37 AM
Qubex
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 4:17:37 AM
Highlander
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 12:57:27 PM
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That may be one of the more annoying elements of criticism thrown at other games in other genre. GT5 for example get's crap over it's filtering or shadows or any number of other technical compromises in the graphics engine. And these things trump gameplay or depth when it comes to deciding if the game is any good.
You could see this in yesterday's discussion of JRPGS when numerous people questioned WKC on the basis of it's graphics, calling them outdated or inferior. Obviously there were other elements to that discussion, but that particular criticism appears in many a review as well. criticism of the graphics trumps gameplay, story, control, sound, online, whatever else.
So, in the spirit of what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, perhaps graphics are the be all and end all of the shooter?
Excelsior1
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 1:40:57 PM
yes, i think the discussion yesterday shows that some of us do hold graphics at premium. others not so much but i think we can agree we would like most games to have good graphics. i will say this. one of my favorite games of this gen was fallout 3. it's certainly no graphical powerhouse and tends to chug along on the ps3 at times...but i still loved every minute of it.
you mention gt5 getting a lot of crap for its graphical issues. that is true it does. i think some of that stems from the fact that the past gt games were known for perfection and their presentation was near perfect. so it was kind of a surpise to see those issues in a gt game. those issues are by no means game breaking nor do they ruin the racing but they were a downer for some.
there's nothing wrong with gamers wanting great graphics in a fps game or any other genre. i still think most gamers would place gameplay first combined with the quality of multiplayer in regard to fps games but graphics are almost right up there with those qualties for some people.
Highlander
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 1:57:00 PM
Crabba
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:39:25 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:41:00 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 3:21:32 PM
Crabba
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 7:56:06 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 8:50:03 PM
Qubex
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 11:19:41 PM
Not saying it isn't a good game... of course it is... but these details should have been sorted... that is what people expected anyway, well the ones that car about quality that is...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
Beamboom
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:49:22 AM
And if a game has a weak spot people tend to point at that. That's just human nature :)
Qubex
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 4:19:15 AM
Crabba
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:06:27 PM
Anyway, it was just an FYI, no need to get your feathers in a bunch :)
erislocker
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 1:01:12 PM
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i love the AC series because they have a fantastic story (truly) and the gameplay is really fun (albeit a bit repetitive in the earlier titles).
remember when all you did was pop in a cartridge, turn on power, press start, and you are immediately playing. simple, never ending fun.
same with multiplayer. it is oh-so-much more fun to play in the same room than with a headset. sure it's cool to have the whole screen to yourself, but not even give an option of splitscreen? that is the one thing that FPS have not given up yet (the split screen), but all other games seem to be giving that up...
end rant
Highlander
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 1:10:28 PM
Excelsior1
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:05:43 PM
i don't know about the headset thing. some of my best gaming thrills of this gen have been when i was in a clan that all used headsets going against an evenly matched opponet that had headsets too. it's an adrenilne rush and quite addicting to go up against quality human opponets. i just find online mp sessions way more fun and lively when people are using headsets. you can always mute the people you don't like.
i do understand what you were saying. it would be even better to have the gamers in the same room but that's not always practical. when that's the case i think a headset is a good option that enriches the mp experience in general.
WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:42:42 PM
Beamboom
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:51:31 AM
Alienange
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 1:28:14 PM
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Only a dev that can't get a grip on what makes the best fps the best is going to start drawing attention to its graphics in HOPES that that is what the fans want. Creating an artificial hype as it were. This is quickly seen for what it is though and the gameplay always beats out the illusion of graphics equaling a better game.
Besides, have we forgotten what the release of the multiplat FFXIII brought to the internet? FPS are certainly not alone in having some devs and misguided fans/haters touting graphics as the end all.
jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 1:45:45 PM
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Beamboom
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:06:08 PM
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Myself included. I like most genres including FPS, but I kinda *expect* to get impressed when I insert a new fps into the ps3. I do not have anywhere near the same expectations with other genre games.
That being said, for me personally I rate the artistic creativity and originality higher than framerate and resolution. That's why I still rate BioShock as my best fps experience so far this gen, with Crysis 2 as a good 2nd.
But I gotta say my first impressions after just a couple of hours with Resistance 3 today is very, very good. I do not rule out the possibility that it will move Crysis to #3.
Last edited by Beamboom on 9/7/2011 2:09:51 PM
kevinater321
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:16:24 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:32:07 PM
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There are a lot of issues at play here. I'll just say an FPS damn well better have great graphics because the gameplay is severely limited anyway. If she's dumb, she better be pretty.
The other is that this is the fuel for the console war, if one game is even minutely graphically superior than the other on the lens of truth you get fanboy explosions. They need ammunition to keep shooting you know? And FPS games are the hollow point bullets.
Temjin001
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:32:19 PM
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But anyway, I'm not going to be disagreeable. I do think graphics matter a lot for FPS games, and just most action games in general. I think in the case of this BF3 news, it's been something of a hot button issue because everyone knows that DICE has been showboating BF3 with high end PC presentations. Most of what gamers have had to assure them of the quality of the port has been by DICE's word alone. Just as DICE didn't just come out and reveal on the onset that BF3 would be 30fps (headline topping news, remember) or if BF3 runs at a sub 720p resolution (704p is nothing to sneeze at, CoD is what? 550p) gamers want confirming evidence as to just how representational BF3's console offerings will actually be.
BUt anyway, yes, I think in games that aren't nearly as story driven, or nearly as methodical, and are also about immersing oneself in a virtual setting, especially from the first person, graphics do matter a lot.
Last edited by Temjin001 on 9/7/2011 2:33:37 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:45:38 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:46:28 PM
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Underdog15
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 6:13:37 PM
Crabba
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 2:51:36 PM
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I'm not in any way a FPS fan, but if I'm gonna play an FPS I'll play the best-looking ones which is why I'm a little bit interested in Battlefield 3. I'm sure there are examples of games with great graphics but are still bad, but great games with great graphics make them even better, and well that's one of the core strengths of the PS3, no pun intended..
Crabba
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 8:00:35 PM
Ignitus
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 8:47:04 PM
Crabba
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:19:09 PM
What's "wrong"? Then I guess 2b Chinese can't be wrong. So the millions of people who choose Killzone over CoD are wrong?
WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 5:59:12 PM
Qubex
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 11:21:36 PM
But this time I have learnt my lesson. I won't purchase the PS4 day one, I will let it settle in for at least 6 months to a year. See the technicals and how it performs before climbing in like I did the PS3... paying a hefty price to be like one of the first in Singapore to get one.
I won't do that again...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
Last edited by Qubex on 9/7/2011 11:22:03 PM
Underdog15
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 6:12:41 PM
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However, what I am really disagreeing on is the idea that FPS fans and the genre itself hold graphics as the highest and most important point.
If that were true, then why the aech ee double hockeysticks is CoD the best selling game of all time, let alone best selling shooter. No one in their right mind would say that CoD is the pinnacle of graphics engineering. Yet, it is easily the go-to shooter of the generation.
jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 6:18:26 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 8:51:59 PM
Beamboom
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:02:45 AM
clockwyzebkny
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 6:14:57 PM
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I cannot lie, sometimes i feel like a graphics whore. I worship some games for their incredible detail but it's usually a game that has the complete package ie: Uncharted series.
Most of the times, fun is the biggest factor for my enjoyment of a game. Perfect example. : GTAIV vs SR2. GTAIV's graphics were pretty good and technically better but SR2's fun factor was way better which made me enjoy the game and even the graphics more.
I've read the Resistance 3 review and although i've been put off frrom the series before, I've mae the decision to give R3 a try even tho the graphics may be "lacking" in some areas.
Lairfan
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 6:17:59 PM
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I think its more to do with what type of gameplay it is right now. Most FPS fans nowadays only care about military-style FPS's. The only sci-fi shooter that sells anywhere near the amount an average military shooter sells is Halo, and that may start to drop as CoD, BF, and MoH get more and more popular.
The other thing most FPS fans focus on is how accessible the shooter is. If it takes too long to get used to, most people will just throw it out and go for something easier. That's one of the big reasons why CoD sells so much yearly.
And as for graphics, well, I think only if they're truly groundbreaking (like BF3's) will they be a major selling point. And even then, it still matters what kind of shooter it is (Crysis 2 only sold 2 mil overall, BF3 will more than likely sell 5 mil +).
___________
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 3:43:10 AM
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its not only FPS fans, its FREAKING EVERYONE!
theres a reason why technological masterpieces but boring as hell games get so much praise, yet bloody awesome fun games but buggy as hell get poor games.
look at KZ, uncharted, GOW, GT, RE, LP2, GTA all really well received games that were boring as f*ck but really puuuuurdy.
up against games like driver, bodycount, just cause 2, saints row, K&L, wanted weapons of fate, WET, dead of rights retribution, dead island, all not the best looking games, but were 100000 times more fun then any of those puuuuuuuurdy games!
hell dead island is the perfect example, every single review i have read the only complaints i have read is its buggy and it does not look as good as it should.
thats it!
so a game deserves a 6 just because it has a little texture pop in, and does not look like uncharted?
give me a f*cking break!
THIS is exactly why were drowning in nothing but shooters!
all people give a 2 hoots about is how good a game looks, which is why developers are spending much less attention on story and gameplay.
theres a reason why you could count the amount of games with a really well written complex story this gen on a single hand!
from ps1 and ps2 though you would need to chop down the amazon rainforest to list them all!
Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:59:39 AM
Crabba
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:26:37 PM
Then you say "developers are spending much less attention on story and gameplay" and yet you say Uncharted is boring.. yeah ok.
sirbob6
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:50:13 PM
D1g1tal5torm
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 9:07:09 AM
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And that is why graphics is never the MOST important criteria for ANY game.
Personally, for FPS, it's about map/level design, flow, tactics employment/AI etc.
Graphics should just be THERE; not only with FPS, but all games nowadays.
DeathOfChaos
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:49:38 PM
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Gravelight
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:53:20 PM
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Battlefield 3









SmokeyPSD
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Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 12:15:58 PM