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Sony: 360 Leads But We Have Better Software Growth

Although the competition has the hardware lead, Sony says Microsoft can't boast better software growth.

In speaking to IndustryGamers, Sony public relations boss Rob Dyer first admitted to better sales of Microsoft's machine (1.6 360s sold for every 1 PS3 sold), but when it comes to which version of a game to purchase, he says consumers go for the PS3 version due to superior content. He gave the example of Mortal Kombat (the PS3 version boasted Kratos) and the upcoming Battlefield 3, which fits on one Blu-Ray disc (the 360 version needs two DVDs). Added Dyer:

"Although Microsoft has a 1.6 to 1 index ratio against us [on hardware], we outsold them on Mortal Kombat nearly at a one to one. So that is due in large part to the exclusive content that you're getting on disc. You'll see that happening on almost every case where we've had a game that they've supported with on disc content or with exclusive DLC."

Dyer cited other examples of multiplatform titles that performed better on the PS3 thanks to extra content packed onto the disc, and that includes Medal of Honor, L.A. Noire, and NBA 2K11. He also indicated Portal 2's performance, which was assisted by Steam integration and a free copy of the PC version. As for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 and the timed DLC in favor of Microsoft:

"They're going to be a month exclusive... But they're not running any higher than what the index ratio is - they're right at 1.6. In spite of all the millions that Microsoft has spent on that relationship with Activision, people aren't voting to buy a 360 version of that over and above a PS3 version, given the installed base."

The 360 still holds a significant sales lead in North America but when counting global sales, the gap has shrunk to almost nothing due to strong PS3 sales in Europe and the almost non-existent status of the 360 in Japan. But as always, software is most important, as Dyer tries to tell us.

Tags: ps3, playstation 3, sony, console war, xbox 360

9/8/2011 8:34:56 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (73 posts)

Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 9:16:46 AM
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Wow, I didn't know battlefield 3 was a 2 dvd game. And I had already preordered the 360 version... Just goes to show you that Sony and the PS3 are just getting started...

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:11:57 AM

Getting started? Where have you been?

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:51:22 AM

You can cancel your preorder...I've done it before and it costs you NOTHING.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 4:41:04 PM

Why would you get the 360 version when it plays better on the PS3? >.>

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 9:26:43 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but it feels like Sony is adopting the bitchy high school girl approach. First, the "protecting inferior technology" comments, now this. I'm just waiting for Dyer to say, "And have you seen Steve Ballmer's hair?!"

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leatherface
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:39:49 AM

Well, have you?!

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:17:41 PM

I know, right?!

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:26:08 PM

I think they're tired of the misleading press, and are trying to counter it. I just hope that they leave Ballmer's hair alone, humanity isn't ready to delve into that matter.

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Temjin001
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 4:10:25 PM

Aging hipster, those comments made by Sony in headlines is a perfect example of the media responding wrong to the outrage that should've rather have been termed as "Sony Calls Out MS On Their Threatening Policies"
I didn't read near enough headlines In response to MS and their publishing guidelines. Those guidelines that very well try to diminish content augmentation because their DVDs can't store it. Sony is totally right by saying MS is defending an aging technology. But sooner would people not actually think Bout what the response was, rather how it was termed.
Sony has been made to look like a tattle tale, wherein they were actually defending publishers and advancements in technology.

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 5:31:25 PM

An excellent example of when it's better to take the high road and not sound whiny. But my original comment was primarily in jest, so don't take it too seriously. ^_^

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 5:32:35 PM

...cause, see, Ballmer has no hair. It's funny.

.....shut up. ;)

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Temjin001
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 6:14:52 PM

Did Steve Balmer's presence in Resistance 3 surprise you as well? His ape like features are pretty nightmarish =p

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Fane1024
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 6:42:54 AM

Thanks to all for the laughs. I needed them after wrestling with Windows all week.

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Douchebaguette
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:03:28 AM
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I reckon the main reason behind Mortal Kombat's sale ratio was because people may have realised how inconvenient the 360's controller is with it's horror for a D-pad when it coems to Beat 'em Up games.

But on everything else, I can pretty much agree.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:09:26 AM

Mortal Kombat isn't the only example of this, and companies like EA have stated previously that even in the US, the PS3 is responsible for more of their revenue than the 360.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:08:37 AM
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::dons fire retardant suit::
Well, judging by recent trends among the commenting population here I will need the extra protection for this....

Despite the 360 still having stronger hardware unit sales in the US in particular, there are significantly more PS3s actively installed globally - according to 3rd party research many months ago now. So, to see the software sales on the Ps3 growing and outpacing the sales on the 360 (with the exception of key exclusive games on the 360 of course) strongly suggests that despite higher unit sales in the US, 360 sells fewer units of most multi-platform games.

That seems to very clearly say that either there are fewer active 360s in the US than PS3s, or 360 gamers only buy exclusive games and one or two heavily hyped multi-platform shooters, or that as some in the industry have been pointing out for many years now, the PS3 generates more software revenue. For the PS3 to do that, either there is rampant game piracy on the 360, or there are significantly fewer 360s that it appears, or 360 gamers don't (in reality) buy that many games.

Considering the quite appalling XBL Gold subscription rate - less than 50% of all XBL subscriptions are Gold, and the total number of XBL subscriptions (Gold + Silver) is less than 75% of the total 360s ever sold. It seems extremely clear that even in the US, the raw numbers of console hardware unit sales are extremely misleading in terms of the number of active systems, gamers and game buyers.

In other words, it really doesn't matter what the NPD numbers say about the hardware units, the software unit sales reveal a different picture entirely - even in the US.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:14:11 AM

Fire suits aren't needed if you are speaking the truth.

That post Highlander, is the very definition of it.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:36:44 AM

@highlander

i agree up to a point. the npd numbers do matter, and so do the lopsided na sales figures in favor of the 360. that's why the market is so damned focused on the 360. i think the 360's dominance in na has even impacted the japanese gaming sector and is a huge factor in sony loosing all those third party exclusives.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:02:46 AM

Excelsior. The problem is that what I am saying here is, the apparent dominance in the NA market by the 360, is just that, apparent. It's not necessarily factual or supported by software numbers or online use. So apparently more 360 consoles sell, but apparently no one cares to look behind that and see that actually, the PS3 and 360 are close to parity in the NA market in terms of active users and game purchasing. Curious isnt it?

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:24:04 AM

@highlander

i said i agreed with your ananlysis right up to 'it doesn't really matter what the npd numbers say."becuase i think they do matter. another thing i will point out is ms has gained a ton of marketshare this gen at sony's expense. who would have thought at the start of this gen sony would be sitting last place as this gen is whinding down? the answer is no one. so it's not just all rainbows and sunshine for sony. they are in tough fight with extremely well entrenched and funded competitor that has made huge inroads in sony's marketshare in both na and europe.

i mean it's great about the software, but it kind of sucks the ps3 is still sitting in last place. i think the situation in na is just unbeliavable when you think back to how popular the ps1, and ps2 were in na. that wasn't that long ago.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:52:01 AM

Excelsior, I think you're dancing around the point.

Yes, in pure unit sales of consoles (whether they are alive now, or dead) Sony is apparently losing in the US by a wide margin. but in terms of the performance indicators that illustrate the active console population, the situation - even in NA is closer to parity.

If a third of the 360s ever sold in the US are no longer alive or active, do they count when trying to determine the market share? If so, why? They generate no game sales, and the entire console gaming market is predicated on game sales paying for the console development. That's the business model that allows consoles to be sold at a loss for a year or more initially. So if you're trying to figure out market dominance, the software sales are at least as important as the hardware unit sales. In this case, the software sales tell a different story to the hardware sales. I'm not saying all is rosy for Sony, nor am I making any statement as to whether Sony has lost market share to Microsoft. In the NA and UK markets in particular, it's clear that market shares are different.

The point remains though, software sales for 360 and Ps3 are closer to 1:1 in the US, while hardware sales remain at 1.6:1 in favor of the 360. So, why are the software sales not backing up that apparent dominance? You know, game developers and publishers look at the sales of games more closely than console hardware sales. especially when they see that level of disparity. There is a disconnect between the 360 hardware sales and 360 software sales, and that is something that publishers and developers are very well aware of. From that perspective, the dominance is an illusion.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:02:44 PM

Great posts Highlander, I never thought about the difference in ratios like that. Puts things in perspective and not so negative for Sony in NA.

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:15:55 PM

Highlander, I don't think you're off the mark in the slightest. I've made this point previously in conversation with some of my XBox friends, all of whom mainly play their XBox for the same FPS titles and the few exclusives worth having. I fall into that same category; my 360 is used only for FPS gaming (I like the controller feel) and those titles I can't have on my PS3, which is my primary console for everything else.

But I think you should also consider hardware failure rates as a driver of 360 hardware sales. If you still want to play you copy of Halo: Reach after your 360 bricks, you have to buy a new one, even if there are no new titles coming out that you want to pick up. I think that, coupled to 360 gamer interests (i.e., your and Ben's so-called twitch gaming), really elegantly explains the funky sales trends for 360 hardware and software.

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Qubex
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 8:21:05 PM

"::dons fire retardant suit::"

Very big lol Highlander...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:15:29 AM
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here is the august sales forecast in na according to eedar/wedbush.

360 270,000(-23%)
ps3 240,000(+6%)
wii 135,000(-18%)

what's surprising there is price cut mid august only generated +6% growth over the same month last year. note the 360 is still forcasted to be on top despite the price cut.

i have long thought sony should try to do something about the situation in na. i question the wisdom of letting the 360 dominate in the vital na market for so long. there have been a lot of months the ps3 has been outsold almost 2 to 1 in na. in the same article refernced above sony admits that 360's lead in na is massive. if they would have cut the price sooner then maybe it would not be such a uphill fight in na.

the price cut is great and it looks like it made sony way more cometitive but i wish it came a little sooner.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:35:57 AM

The way you talk, it's as if Sony is dying and their executives are a bunch of idiots because they "let" Microsoft "dominate."

First of all, you love numbers and the NPD so much, I fail to see why you completely neglected a span of about eight months straight where the PS3 outsold the 360 in this country due to superior software and the previous price cut. Secondly, the "massive" hardware gap isn't exactly massive, even in North America, especially when you consider that the 360 has been out for a full year LONGER. You're apparently forgetting that, too.

Thirdly, in terms of ratio ever since 2008, the PS3 has continually sold on par with the 360 with only a few exceptions and in fact, it has easily outsold the 360 in Europe and Japan. In truth, the PS3 basically outsells the 360 in every corner of the globe besides North America, which is why the worldwide sales tallies for both consoles are almost even now.

Fourthly, you don't acknowledge the disastrous reliability of the 360, which has led to multiple purchases of the system by the same individual, thereby skewing the sales numbers. Just because that one person bought it again doesn't mean anything; in terms of NEW customers, Sony has been picking up ground for the past four years.

Fifthly and lastly, Microsoft has gotten into the pockets of developers and publishers everywhere, which is how they stole away exclusivity from various franchises, and how they can afford things like timed DLC for Modern Warfare 3. Sony has said in the past that they refuse to "buy their popularity" and they let their games speak for themselves.

I don't know about you, but I value that much more highly than I do a few extra units sold in the US.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:00:09 PM

It makes me think of the state of Illinois. Whenever it's election time and people are out voting the entire map of Illinois will show up red for republicans except for an itty bitty spot in the top right corner which shows up blue...Chicago.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:18:54 PM

@ben

wow. putting words in my mouth there a little bit. there is a huge difference between using the phrase questioning the wisdom and calling someone a "bunch of idiots" and saying sony is "dying". that's not fair at all. the term massive is exactly what sony used to describe ms lead in na btw. that's a lot more than a few.

i value everything the ps brand offers and i am well aware of 360 hardware problems. surprised that ms did not take more of an image hit for that, but oh well. i am only dissapointed and surprised by sony's loss of marketshare this gen to ms. no fan a ms but it was what it is so to speak. let's just say it kills me sony is in last place becuase i care about them. it's hard to describe i guess. i wish i could as easily blow it as you do.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:24:27 PM

Your own numbers though don't just say that son is growing sales by 6%, they also say that Sony is growing sales by 6% at the same time that the console hardware market in general is declining buy approximately 20% (based on the decline in Wii and 360 numbers). Sounds to me like that's quite a trend to buck, and that 6% rise (year on year) is actually far more significant because it isn't a 20% drop (year on year) like the numbers for 360 and Wii are.

Numbers and statistics are fun. The trick with all of this information is context, perspective and analysis. When you look only at the base numbers without the benefit of context or analysis, you can get a completely false interpretation of the situation.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:32:26 PM

@highlander

i agree with that. the price drop did help the ps3 buck a trend and it also helped close the gap on the 360. i am very happy about that.

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Temjin001
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:01:33 PM

360 also has had a stripped down option with a $200 entry point. I see this helping their hardware through put, being able to attract the more bottom feeder market. I also see those Arcade 360s as something of a lesser profitable system for MS. without a built in mass storage device, a significant storage limitation may deter potential digital transaction revenue. Something that had been on a major rise lately.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:57:42 PM

also, i know of no 8 month span where ps3 has outsold the 360 in na period. that's not right the only month sony did manage to outsell ms was right after the $100 drop. and it only lasted one month. there have been very few monthly wins for ps3 here na. at least that what the npd numbers show.

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Temjin001
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 3:13:08 PM

Nice dip there MS. man, I'm sure hoping "phase b" of their 360+kinect strategy didn't include massive hardware dips. That short sited joke of a peripherial already appears to be doing nothing for the company. MS is reaping what they sewed by investing in 3rd party timed exclusivity and fad based motion garbage. Gears and a Halo Remake is all that defines their existence it seems now for this year

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Helghast
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:17:20 AM
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Did anyone else think that all of the games cited as selling better on the PS3, weren't because of the extra content on the disk, but the fact that they are not shooters, or specifically not CoD? Well MoH is a shooter, but its not like the typical CoD player would be that into it. PS3 users tend to except variate better than 360 owners. I only know three hardcore 360 gamers, all the rest of them are just CoD 24/7.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:16:38 AM

Agreed. Take away shooters from the 360, the point of owning one would be invalid.

Oh wait..

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:08:14 PM

Take away sales of shooters from both platforms and 360's software sales look positively anemic compared to those of the PS3. Of course you can't really do that, but it's fun to imagine....

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FM23
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:41:07 PM

why does everyone generalize the Xbox 306 crowd as loving shooters and only shooters?

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:03:03 PM

@fm23

maybe becuase it's true. i know portal 2 and dragonquest2 sold way more on the 360 for example. as did me2, and all thre fallout games. it makes sense since becuase vavle bioware are better know ny 360 users. i have know doubt skyrim will sale more on the 360; that kind of dissproves the shooter only theory.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:22:13 PM

FM23 -
From my standpoint, most 360 fans I know buy every big shooter and not much of anything else.

There is a reason Halo, Gears and COD sell so big on those systems.

Excelsior1 -
Not really. Skyrim is a first person game.

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:28:18 PM

I would also argue that the 360 controller feels better for FPS titles, especially the Razer controller. But that's a matter of taste.

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Cpt_Geez
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:43:51 AM
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Dyer is right I have a ps3 and 360 and this year Ive brought about 13 games on ps3 and 2 on 360. Sony is killing them in software and with the free online it just makes my decision easier. I'm not going to even get into exclusives cause there isn't no competition in that area Sony is winning enough said.

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SaiyanSempai
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:24:57 AM
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Right on Highlander!

It's not surprising that there have been more 360's sold, not with the failure rate they used to have. Every single xbox owner I know has bought multiple replacement xboxes.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that those NPD numbers are a monumental misrepresentation of actual xboxes being used.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 11:56:50 AM
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I don't think we will see the dominance shown by the PS2 ever again. From here out it's going to be a close race and multiple consoles pretty even as far as global sales. I know I'm getting a PS4. Who is with me!?

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:06:46 PM

I'll be making sure PS4 is a day one purchase....

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:30:26 PM

As will I.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:42:34 PM

me three. i can actually see a scenario where sony has a stellar luanch becuase of all the first party developers they bring to the table.

as for never seeing the days of p2 dominance...let's just say i think this gen shows anything is possible. don't forget about the ps1. it was very popular as well.

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Temjin001
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:59:26 PM

I think it could happen =)

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BikerSaint
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:15:25 PM
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A very important thing to remember with the 360 sales numbers is that besides all those RROD'ed replacements MS counts, is that MS also gave away tons of them at that huge Times Square N.Y.C. Kinect launch party, also given away to the Girls Clubs of America, and Various TV shows such as Jimmie Kimmle, Ophrah, The Ellen Dengeneris Show, & the Jimmie Fallon Show, plus that huge national Burger King contest & "too numerous to count" other contests & events.

And we all know how MS likes to fudge their shipped numbers as being sold numbers.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:28:14 PM
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I don't mind at all if the PS3 is the underdog in this sales race. I rather think it's cool. I've always rooted for the underdog anyway.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:38:14 PM

@beambbom

i wish i was more like you. i will admit i despise ms and hate that sony is the underdog to them in any way. i mean competition is good but why does have to be ms?

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:09:00 PM

Since when was the top seller the best product? Justin Bieber sell a lot of records these days.

Back when everybody owned a Commodore 64 I got me a Oric-1. Today most use Windows on their PC, I use Linux. Everybody my age are listening to 80s music. I love current day breakbeat/dubstep.

Who cares what the masses choose. That never bothered me. Only thing that really matter is that the PS3 sell *enough* to keep the good games coming our way too.

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Fabi
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 1:41:17 PM
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I was reading someone's comment on Kotaku yesterday (I know! I should be ashamed!) about how 360 owners buy far more games than PS3 owners. It wasn't like he was a troll or anything, he had a lot of data to back it up. But of course who knows where he got it from.

Is this true?

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Deleted User
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:06:31 PM

There are people who make up "numbers" because they have nothing else to do but do that in order to get some attention from kids. Everybody has a different set of "numbers". I just ignore all that gobbledly like everybody should.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:19:23 PM

If you cherry pick the data, specific games such as halo and Gears look incredible, as does MW2 & Black Ops. But the wider picture is different. It simply depends on how you select the data points.

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Fane1024
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 6:53:58 AM

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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FlyingKickPunch
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:05:37 PM
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Remember the big hullabaloo about the "attach rate" a few years ago? I wonder where that stands now...

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 2:18:19 PM

That depends on how you calculate it. Often times that measure is defined based on current unit hardware sales vs current unit software sales. It can mask the distortion of a large population of dead/inactive systems.

Only comparing software unit sales against the total hardware population at a given moment can you get a reasonably accurate measure, but that is not very often the methodology.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 6:30:38 PM

i now for a fact the attach rate for 360 is higher 8.7 vs the ps3's 8.1 and xbl has generated for more sales than psn, i 've read stroies on mcv when has ms boasted 50 miilion more in software sales over sony.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 9:53:28 PM

Excelsior, the only response i have is...

And you believe those reports why? Why not look instead at the comments of actual software publishers who don't have a vested interest in making their console look good...

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trinichinese
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 5:06:59 PM
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well the disconnect on the software from the hard ware sales could be because a lot of 360's have been hacked /mod a lot of 360 owners play burned games on there system and not all play online ,eg when mw2 was about to come out ms banned a lot of 360 systems and around that time ps3's sales hard ware and soft ware spiked

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gangan19
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 7:02:13 PM
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I saw two people today selling their xbox 360's

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 9:03:34 PM
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I really gotta say something now. Can't let this slide.

I can see why many of you are trying to argue in favor if ps3 sales over 360 sales, but from a worldwide standing point, 360 is still ahead and looks to stay that way for some time. All your points are valid, but you know what? It doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

See, the ps3 is still highly successful. 50 million console sales is an achievement in itself. I say well done to all consoles this generation.

If the ps3 was failing horribly and a lot of support had dropped for it, then I would be worried and complaining. But all consoles are performing well, meaning that there is more incentive to own them all. I think this is a wonderful thing, provided you have enough money to do it.

It is a shame so many people are so focused and hell bent on skewing the sales numbers of their console of choice, but I say this...

Is it really necessary?

Sure, I don't approve of MS' strategy of buying out the competition, buying into popularity and manipulating the general public with fear, uncertainty and doubt with the competition, but I've also noticed a severe bias of most NA media and publications blindly favoring the 360, and I can't help but ask myself why.

Is it that MS is lining these media critics' pockets with cash?
Is it that NA media blindly supports it's own products because it is made or based in NA?
How did the 50% plus fail rate of 360's go unnoticed by the media, yet the PSN hack made global headlines?

I feel like there is something bigger and more sinister going on here. MS has used incredibly powerful yet dominant and dishonorable business techniques to get to where they are today, and I don't view global console sales as an accurate portrayal of MS' success even when everyone else blindly does.

So long as Sony is still in the gaming business, I will buy their wares. It might not be a D1P, like how I held out on the PS3, but it will certainly take precedence over an MS gaming product.

Finally, MS did a great job of establishing a mindset of following a trend to play with friends, therefore selling more consoles. Like many of you, I bought a 360 simply to play Halo and Gears of War with friends and chat with them online. 360 was promoted as a social console, and used peer pressure of joining their game to sell consoles. An evil yet genius plan, considering the poor quality of the console and woeful number of exclusives MS actually owns.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 9:59:50 PM

Let it slide, don't let it slide. Whatever. For me this is a simple issue of truth. The truth is the truth, and no matter how you stack the global sales of console units, the 360 is a little ahead of PS3. Just as if you stack the numbers of active units the PS3 is ahead. What I'm getting at is that for me, this discussion is not about Sony over MS, it's about accurate understanding and interpretation of the numbers, it's about asking the questions that are not being asked - such as why 55 million 360s don't result in much more than about 37/38 million XBL Silver/Gold subscriptions.

So, by all means let's not let it slide, and by all means let's look at why the monumental failure rate of the 360 was not an international scandal. Let's look at all of this stuff and not cherry pick the news. I wish it could be so, but it isn't.

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Excelsior1
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 12:20:33 AM

ps total market share at the end of ps1 life 57%. ps2 marketshare 71%. ps3 market share 28%. enough said.

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Highlander
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 1:41:34 AM

Excelsior, with comments like that, is it any wonder that people frequently think your agenda is perfectly clear, and think you should pack your 360 and leave.

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JackDillinger89
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 9:40:48 PM
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I would love to see sony just bite the bullet and drop a $199 entry ps3 with like 20 gig HDD or so. That would light a fire under there sales strategy. That should level the playing field. Thats why im worried bout vita. I dont see most people willing to drop $249 or $299 just for a handheld system.

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Highlander
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 10:01:01 PM

3 months ago people were worried it would cost $400-$500 and saying that anything less than $300 would guarantee success. Amazing inflation we've had recently then since you're saying that $249 might be too expensive...

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Warrior Poet
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 1:29:30 AM
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Uh...Why exactly does it matter whose sales are better? Especially when it's so close? Both companies are making money and Sony's teams and third-party developers are putting out a lot of awesome games.

We like Sony, so let's buy Sony consoles. Really, what does it matter if another console sells more? What does it matter if the PS3 came out ahead, as long as it was successful?

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___________
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 4:55:46 AM
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OH PLEASE!
funny how they always forget to mention the other side.
if your going to buy a version of the orange box which one are you going to buy?
if your going to buy a version of bayonetta which one are you going to buy?
….. yea, thats what i thought!
what a moron!
99% of multiplatform games sell better on the 360, and 99% of multiplatform games perform better too!
almost every single time sales reports come out the ps3 version of a game is stone dead LAST!
same as the hardware figures.
not to mention exclusives.
gears 2 sold 2M units within the first 3 days of sales!
not even freaking GT5, $onys biggest exclusive managed to sell that many that quickly!
is there a single employee at $ony thats A not a arrogant prick and B not full of sh*t?
this has got to be the stupidest thing i have ever heard!
he would have had a better point if he argued the ps3 had sold more units then the freaking wii!

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Fane1024
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 7:05:09 AM

As usual, your comment is 99% nonsense.

See how easy it is to invent BS statistics?

Your contention about multiplatform sales *is not supported by actual sales numbers*.

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___________
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 10:39:12 AM

oh bullsh*t!
ok lets wait till the sales figures of deus ex human revolution, dead island, and warhammer 40K come in.
how much you want to bet each one of those will sell better on the ps3?
EVERY MP game sells better on the 360 FACT!
saying otherwise is like saying the gravity does not exist!

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daus26
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:01:08 AM

As a GT5 fan, I'd like to say that 3 days don't mean squat. In fact, go a bit more as 1 week. GT5 by then have outsold Gears 2 in their respective 1st week. Then go as far as 2 months..then 3 months, then up to now. In two months, GT5 has already outsold Gears 2 lifetime sales.

None of this matters, but I just want to clear that up.

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daus26
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 11:11:37 AM

BTW, I get where you're coming, but I think this guy from Sony is stating it in relation to the respective consoles sold. It would make sense that a lot of the multi-plats sell more on the 360 because there are more 360s sold.

I would have to agree to an extent that the above examples stated by this Sony guy isn't the most convincing thing there is. I thought he was gonna say something like free online gaming, but he ended naming games with very few differences between the different versions of games. He is however right that all MS has in terms of DlC exclusives are only about 1 month term.

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