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Have Trophies/Achievements Made Video Games Better?

Trophies and Achievements are designed to enhance our gaming experience. That's the idea.

They represent specific challenges completed and those who love the feature will say a game's longevity greatly increases. You spend a ton of extra time enjoying the adventure in a variety of ways; many challenges are quite creative and even open up parts of the game you never really enjoyed before.

At the same time, there are those who just don't see the significance. Back in the old days, it was all about points. "High score" was a universal term and in the arcades, that's about all that mattered. Of course, everything is more complex these days; we're talking about interactive entertainment and it's almost an insult to call these products "video games." That means Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception and Pac-Man are technically in the same category, and even for the most ardent purist, that's tough to swallow. So we've moved way beyond "high score."

And yet, aren't Trophies and Achievements just a more elaborate way of keeping score? We count up the number we have and in truth, once they're achieved, it doesn't really matter to anyone what you had to do to get them. Those who don't appreciate this method of "keeping score" - which sort of implies that those who get a ton of these "awards" are bigger or better gamers than others - say that Trophies/Achievements are unnecessary. Worse, they might actually bring an even more unnecessary competitive angle to a game that doesn't need it. Maybe getting some obscure achievement alters our focus and drags us away from the core concepts of the game.

Then there's the whole need for edification thing. "You walked down a hallway...Trophy!" "You completed the tutorial...Trophy!" As if we need a shiny thing to make us feel better about our accomplishments, and then we can brag about how many of those shiny things we have. Do we really need this more complex version of keeping score? Or do you see it differently? Do you feel more satisfied when you hear that little "ding" and you see the notice? I'm just wondering how much this feature has altered how we approach our gaming entertainment.

Tags: trophies, achievements, video games, game culture

9/18/2011 8:27:52 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (127 posts)

leatherface
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:41:38 PM
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hi, my name is leatherface and i'm addicted to trophies.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:00:33 PM

But your "trophies" are peoples faces.

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:02:40 PM

LOL

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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:40:25 AM

Hi, I'm Peter Griffin and I'm addicted to boobies!! Hehehehehehe!! (Peter Griffin laugh)

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leatherface
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 10:36:16 AM

hahaha That's true, World, I have my gamerface on.
Well... I have somebody's gameface on.

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StubbornScorpio
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:45:56 PM
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I do agree that this system is sort of the new "high score," but at the same time it should be more about nudging players to discover hidden facets of the game. Fetch quests and "congrats you've completed the tutorial" trophies are rather vapid to me. But for trophies that are unlocked through improved skill (such as completing a level within a time limit, using certain powers/skills that you probably would otherwise overlook, discovering and completing hidden puzzles/rooms), it really does give players incentive to fully explore all that the game has to offer.

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:16:19 AM

I've not thumbed up or down because I'm split. I think the trphies for completing within X time are as pointless as a trophy for completing the tutorial. The ones I like are those which you receive which encourage you to use different weapons or taking a different approach. I find them helpful to keep track of what I have and haven't tried through multiple playthroughs. A good thing for RPG's like Dragon Age.

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StubbornScorpio
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:29:51 AM

I should add not all games would benefit from a "completed time trial" sort of trophy, some games are deliberately meant to be played at a slower pace, taking time and effort into full mastery (like an RPG). I just used that as an example of encouraging player progression.

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Neo_Aeon666
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 10:22:49 AM

Yeah but you seem to forget a trophy earned for completing a tutorial is worth nothing (bronze). And skill requiring trophies are generally gold or silver.

Those small trophies are just a small encouragement for the players who need it. You probably don't but alot of entry lvl players like the free pat on the back lol.

Trophies are the devs challenges. Like: See if you can master MY game. And then we take the challenge and having 100% is like: Heh I owned your game :P lol Plus now you get to see if your best buddy was able to do as much as you and you compete without even telling each other haha

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Fox hounder
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:49:28 PM
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Hell yeah trophies make a game better, i wish Metal Gear Solid 4 had trophies. I've beaten MGS4 at least 50 times, and have gotten all 40 emblems. Still play the game often, but trophies would give me something to strive for.

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maxpontiac
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:04:28 PM

MGS4 should have had Trophies age ago.

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:21:37 AM

Yeah I need some MGS trophies too!!

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Riku994
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:50:12 PM
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I do agree that story-based trophies are a bit much, like in RE5 getting a trophy for every chapter, same with FF13. Trophies are something you should get for doing something CHALLENGING. Like beating the game on the hardest difficulty (or in general in the case of most RPGs), beating a hidden boss, killing things in certain ways, collecting this and that... Some games are really tough platinums. Anything I've platinumed, I wouldn't really call hard but I mean it does take dedication. I've only platinumed Uncharted 2, Resident Evil 5, Borderlands... And I think something else but I can't remember. Someone check my PSN XD.
My whole point here is I do like trophies because they give me something to shoot for, they do give a bit of competition to some games, and yes they do add longevity.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:59:33 PM

I actually do not mind story-based trophies. Nobody completes every game out there anyway. And most trophies you get for finish chapters are usually just the bronze ones. That's why the trophy level system works. You still get some credit for finishing the chapters and/or the game itself, but you can get better trophies if you shoot for the real challenges.

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:07:36 PM

I like getting trophies every chapter still might be pointless but it still tells people you got that part done and you still get to hear the trophy noise which i like a lot!!!

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:24:09 AM

If you buy a game and play it from start to end, why no getting some trophies for doing that??, some people never touches the single player campaigns

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Temjin001
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:51:39 PM
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I have mixed feelings about trophies. In one hand, I like them because I like that my gaming identity can represent the sort of gaming interests I have. I like that the people who know me can see the kind of games I like, where it's evident that my most liked games tend to have the most trophies. I'm happy that Infamous 2 has a shiny platinum next to it's name. I like the game. I like it that much. I also have 1000g's for ME2.
On the other hand, I think there'd be another way to do this: logged hours, or something like that.
Whereas, the part of trophies I don't like is the developer generated requisites that must be met in order to get some trophies. Most games have those really retarded time consuming ones that don't serve much more of a purpose other than make itself a chore. Do I have to land 6 head shots in a row with my pistol without reloading to get this silver? I have to finish God of War in 5 hours, or without dying? nah, don't think I care enough to.
So yeah, I don't know. I have some XBL friends who have the most ridiculously high gamer points that I would personally find to be embarrassing to have nearly 80K points. And each time I see scores like that the notion crosses my mind suggesting that this person has some control issues and probably has majorly misdirected priorities.

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SoulController
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 7:46:55 AM

My feelings exactly. I love the replay value trophies adds but hate it when I get myself caught up in the unnecessary hype.

I have a work friend who has 49 platinums. Yes you read that right, 49 platinums. Too me thats just ridiculous & says he needs to get out more or something. But who am I to judge, I'm a gaming junky too

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Neo_Aeon666
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 10:30:59 AM

Yeah but in the end those time consuming trophies is what separates the hardcore from the semi-hardcore trophy hunter. If all the trophies were easy to get and not time consuming, nearly everyone would have platinums and having a platinum wouldn't be *special* anymore.

So doing it your way would destroy the balance and pretty much kill the bragging rights of alot of trophy addicts lol also probably put an end to my trophy interest XD

You don't have to get that platinum but if you want it... you will work for it :D

On a side note: I will never complete the Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 platinum OMG dood like killing 1000 enemies with every single weapons lol how many playthrough is that XD If I see people with plat for that game I highly respect their tenacity lol

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:56:32 PM
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Trophies don't necessarily make games better. Speaking only for myself, they only add to the fun part and I never made it a point to platinum every game I have. I just play the games the way I want to and if I get the trophies along the way than that's great. But I really do not have a lot of time (nor patience) to devote into getting all the trophies out there.

So far, the only games I got the platinum trophies for are Assassin's Creed II and Naruto Shippuden: UNS2. That's only because I had a lot of fun playing those games and the trophies were rather easy to get. I almost got the platinum trophy for Heavy Rain but my cousin borrowed it before I could get all the endings and I'm yet to get my copy back.

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wenezz
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 9:58:58 PM
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how about give me some real trophies.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:00:22 PM

Then you go outside, compete in some real sport, win the game, and voila! You got a real trophy!

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AcHiLLiA
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:46:17 PM

WTF.

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:25:32 AM

Even if u do what ZettaiSeigi says, you will miss that "ding"

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:04:16 PM
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I like to collect trophies makes me feel really good doing an accomplishment.

I got 3 platinums right now got 2 of them this year :)

I personally like the trophy noise over the xbox achievements because it sounds better even though xbox achievements load way faster so you don't sit there for a good 5 seconds worrying if you got the trophy or not.

But maybe they do that for a drumroll?

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:27:55 AM

Yeah it feels awesome when you see the platinum trophy appearing on the top right corner of you screen.

Congrats for those 3 plats, I already have 13, has been a good year ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:08:33 PM
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They are nice to have. I like when I did something hard and got that "ding" however unexpected. I find they are great for games that you want to go back to because they keep you playing. 666 hit combo in Dante's Inferno was like bam, take that you demon horde from hell.

It's basically a neat reward system to me, but I rarely go out of my way to get them. I have zero platinums but I plan to get the inFamous 2 one some day. The fact is I usually play a game through the SP and then shelf it unless it's something super special to me.

The downside is some old games without trophies don't feel worth playing. I never did beat Oblivion and I'd like to play Heavenly Sword again but without some potential payoff it feels a little empty. I'm sure a lot of people would have added another play of MGS4 if they ever gave it trophies.

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Qubex
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:42:14 AM

Yes, I agree, pretty cool to have but I wish there was a way you could simply activate all of them when you want. I feel that since I have bought the game developers should permit you to activate all of them and see them all as a way of letting the owner/purchaser consume all the data he/she has purchased.

I like to see the emblems and the artistry of those emblems. I also would love most games to come with a "behind the scenes". Most movies have this, and I think that having a short 5 to 8 minute documentary on how the game was made would be very interesting, even if they are only technical sound bites.

So whilst trophies do motivate people, and in some cases, turn them into trophy whores... I think they are good and can give you the motivation to push you or maybe try a little harder than maybe you would have if that motivation was not there...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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SoulController
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:10:43 AM

I would play the crap out of MGS4 again if it had trophies

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Underdog15
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:46:34 AM

Excellent point about the older games. I never finished Valkyria Chronicles after a rental. I would buy it, but it's still really expensive for having no trophies.

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BIGRED15
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:09:47 PM
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Trophies definately add something to the game I definitely am a trophy whore. I have 6 to 7 platinum trophies and a lot of them took many hours to complete like bfbc2. The more trivial trophies are kinda lame and the chore types just plain suck. No I don't want to kill 10000 players (im looking at u R2)

I'll also add this, with all the trophies ive earned, I feel like I should have more to show for it than the look of a guy who used to have way too much time on his hands. I have nearly 900 trophies. Shouldnt I be rewarded more than just a simple "ding?" I dunno just food for thought I guess.

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PasteNuggs
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:16:05 PM
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I think they are cool to have but I never play games to get them. I usually glance over them before I play but don't really go for them with Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit as an exception. That was really easy to plat.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:18:58 PM
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Online trophies should not count for platinum. F*ck that.

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Fox hounder
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:22:53 PM

@World. Amen to that. Those stupid online trophies are the only thing keeping me from a platinum trophy in KZ2.

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StubbornScorpio
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:24:15 PM

I couldn't agree more. Some multiplayer games like AC: Brotherhood and Uncharted 2 were great fun don't get me wrong, but I shouldn't be forced to play online to earn tasteless "Kill 5,000 enemies" or "Play 1,000,000 matches" trophies.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:32:40 PM

Absolutely agree. I'd have a Platinum for Brotherhood if it weren't for the damn online Trophies.

How's about two Platinums? One for offline and one for online? What's wrong with that?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:37:49 PM

They could have an Adamantium trophy for online if they want.

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FatherSun
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:13:09 PM

You heard it hear first. Diamond PSN Trophies. Maybe when you get to a certain level. Level 25. Diamond for you.

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godsdream
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:53:43 AM

That is what I'm talking about!! f**k online, it sucks big time.

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BikerSaint
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:11:40 AM

Yes, they SHOULD have 2 separate platinum's for SP & MP modes. Not that I'm trying to get them cause I really don't care about them most of the time, but I'd never ever ever be able to get a plat if it has any MP mode trophies in it too.

But, if they really have to put 1 top trophy in, then they could add a "Titanium trophy" to the list, which would be for getting the top plat in each of the 2 modes.

As for myself, I never check out the trophy list until after I've finished the game, and I might go back just to try for maybe 1 or 2 more trophies that I think would be "Saint worthy", but that's as far as I'll usually go with them.
I mean, it's nice to keep on hearing those unexpected dings(and yes, I do like hearing them), but in order to go chasing after it, that trophy would have to be something I'd really be interested in doing anyway.

So as it stands, I'll probably never get myself a plat even in a SP mode only game.

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But what I absolutely DO hate about the trophies(and this is aimed squarely at Sony only) is that as a gaming collector, I sample every game that I buy, even the one's that I know I'll never wind up play, just on the off-chance that it may just surprise me & I'll wind up liking it instead.

So now I have more than a few games that I'll never play, yet I've still managed to pick up 1 (and sometimes 2) trophy's for them during my sampling of them. And the same thing goes for a few demo's that I've even picked up a trophy for, but also wound up not liking & so they got deleted too.
And now I keep constantly having to see them in my trophy list and that frigging irks me to no end.
It's like those few games are forever taunting me for not playing them.

Plus it looks my trophy list look like sh!te when I've got a bunch of 1-trophy games popping out at everyone.

So what I think Sony needs to do is give us(or at least myself LOL) an option button to delete those trophies so those damned games can't keep giving my eyeballs a much needed rest from all of their extended middle fingers.


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Gabriel013
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:21:37 AM

You are spot on. I don't want to be forced to log 2,000 hours playing online before I can get the Platinum trophy. There should be one for SP and one for MP.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:38:34 AM

Agreed. Hate online trophies.

Good idea to have a separate trophy system for online, or better yet, release the game single player on disc or for download and have multiplayer as an optional download from the game's menu. Only once you've got the multiplayer, THEN the online trophies are unlocked and sync with the rest of the game's trophies.

Good idea, right? Mutliplayer as a free download if you buy the game, trophies synced to the MP download, not on disc!! I hope someone out there sees this!!

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:56:18 AM

@BikerSaint:

That's why I have a separate "Test" account on my PS3. I use it whenever I try out the free games I get by being a PS+ subscriber. I appreciate the free games but not all of them are amazing. LOL

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:31:56 AM

I'm with you World, I've missed some platinums just because I don't spend thousands of hours playing online

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Underdog15
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:52:28 AM

I'm the same as Ben. The only trophies I'm missing for Brotherhood are some of the online ones, the dumbest of which is to merely hit online level 50... Congratulations! You've finally forced yourself to play online long enough to be awarded a trophy!

Online trophies ruin trophy hunting for me. Same with Uncharted 2. The only trophies I am missing are the online ones. If you MUST have online trophies, they should be relatively simple... like... a trophy for winning a match or for playing a full match. I get developers wanting to encourage people to invest a lot of time into their game, but just get people to sample it. They will play it if it doesn't suck.

Modnation Racers had a terrible reach level 30 trophy. I got it, but I basically cheated to get it just to spite the game. It was the only one I needed.

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Alienange
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:47:49 PM

Bah, the devs are to blame, not the fact that they're online trophies. I've played some games that have fantastic online trophies. The devs are the ones who are too stupid to be creative enough to make it fun.

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Qubex
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:39:33 PM

Couldn't agree more with that World...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Fane1024
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 2:29:50 AM

I'm gonna side with Alienange. I have no problem with online trophies IF they're well-conceived, like the ones for U2.

If one point of trophies is to get people to try different aspects of the game, that should include the online modes...but not, for instance, being in the top 1% of the leaderboards or getting 10,000 kills.

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Douchebaguette
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:31:39 PM
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Not for me. Perhaps for online: definately, but if anything it's more of a nuisance to watch a dark grey box with a silly phrase pop up and distract you from full immersion of a single player experience. There, I said it: pop up. That's what it is.

Though I don't overly mind trophies since it shows the long list of game you've played. Sometimes it's funny to be surprised that you've played a certain game quite a while ago and have no recollection of playing it at all or completely forgot about it's existence.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:33:34 AM

If most developers do what Naughty Dog did with Uncharted 2, by tying collectibles with rewards (like funny videos, developer diaries, making of videos, etc) and trophies, that is an even bigger incentive to get the trophies and unlock those cool rewards.

I hope more developers do that. It's why I love Naughty Dog so much!! :)

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TheCanadianGuy
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:45:43 PM
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i don't care about them personally. but alot of people do. there ok i guess the thing that bugs me is how some people now won't even play a game unless it has trophies. i'm really into playing my old stuff on my ps2 & people say to me. 'dude why are you playing that old sh*t it doesn't even have trophies!' & i'm like i'm playing it because its fun & i'm enjoying it. somebody even said to me the otherday their not gonna get RE4 HD because theres only a few trophies. i don't know for me if thats how you look at it you've forgotten what gaming really is. just my opinion

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DazeOfWar
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:58:52 PM

Ya I thought it was pretty funny to see how upset a lot of people are over RE4 HD not having a platinum.

I'm buying the game because I never finished it before and it'll be great to have in HD. Plus I'll be able to have every RE on the PS3.

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TheCanadianGuy
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:12:51 PM

i finished it 4 times. can't wait to see those epic boss battles in HD. really looking forward to this

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AcHiLLiA
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:55:41 PM

GTA4 is a pain to platinum but I'm not going for it.

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DazeOfWar
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 10:55:30 PM
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I love getting trophies but I don't drive myself crazy anymore over getting any. I use to strive on getting every achievement on the 360 but after 110,000 I was just burnt out.

Now on the PS3 I get what I feel like. If the game is really fun or it's just easy I'll get the platinum. I also like the trophies as they keep a record of the games I've beaten.

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maxpontiac
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:03:16 PM
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At the beginning of the Trophy implementation I started out fast and hit 10 Platinums. Now, I don't care about the ones that force me to do things I don't enjoy.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:31:25 AM

Feel the same, but mostly with multiplayer trophies. Just can't be bothered, but if I've got all the single player trophies, then I'm a happy chappy.

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Warrior Poet
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:11:43 PM
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I understand why people like to try and get all the trophies, but I never saw much point in it. Just last gen there were no trophies and I didn't really care whether the game gave me shiny unlockables or whatever. It's the same now. I don't have a single Platinum - never tried - but there's nothing wrong with that :P

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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:30:38 AM

I'm proud of my Heavy Rain platinum. :)

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:58:36 AM

I finished Kingdom Hearts II (100% completion) in less than 48 hours. There should have been some sort of gold trophy for that but, alas, that's on the PS2. Haha!

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:13:41 PM
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From my perspective, I personally like to try to platinum a game with my friend if possible. For example: my GTA IV platinum, me and my friend worked on it at the same time wich made it so, so much more fun. Just whip up that Ps3 and play to obtain your trophy for wich you are trying to unlock. Its fun. There was this one trophy where you have to reach the highest level on multiplayer wich is 10 wich is 5,000,000$. Me and my friend went out of our way and said goodbye to sunlight for a couple of days. We played Hangmans Noose so much, him amd I! I remember one time ranking 8 hours straight.

Just want to clear out that I only go for platinums in games I enjoy or games that dont take 50+ hours like Fallout. Although I love FIFA and I might get the platinum for that. Usually 100+ hours. But I love soccer so why not?

From my perspective they do make games better and give a game more replay value. At the same time, close to 20 platinums, and games costing 60$, I feel like i got to squeeze the fruit dry. Meaning for the 60$ i payed for i have to get those 60 dollars back by playing the sh*t out of the game and that includes trophies.

Its almost always mandatory for me to plat a game because of what i stated above. But overall do add rplay value.

Sorry for any mistakes, im using an iTouch so bare with me.

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FatherSun
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:20:11 PM
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All of the above is correct. Trophies can enhance a game. As far as making it better is in the eye of the beholder. They can add to a game or in some cases take away some from the fun. As stated by some, those tedious and mundane trophies and the impossible ones too. Just like Ben, I too cannot obtain the Platinum for Brotherhood due to the online Trophies. Boo UBI!

Developers need to think Trophy implementation thru very carefully before publishing. Not just use it to extend the life of their game. Some even get really creative (NOBY NOBY BOY was a collage).

But Trophies do also have a dark-side. The award system is built to lock in your loyalty. That is what it is all about. Creating a community and KEEPING it. I know some who won't touch a PS3 because they are so heavily vested in the BOXes GamerScore. How blindly limiting is that. But to each his own

Wait till the Vita Trophies get here. That will be interesting to keep track of.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:29:20 AM

Playing pre-trophy games on PS3, I found myself enjoying the game and story moreso than games I play today.

Trophies and achievements are a double edged sword. It encourages you to play all the game and experience everything it has to offer, but it also takes away from the story and emotion behind the game by focusing on a high score. We no longer live in times of Pac-Man and Space Invaders where stories did not exist in video games.

I wouldn't like it if an achievement or trophy came up during a movie saying "30 minutes watched without pausing or a bathroom break", would ruin the immersion and emotional interest in the movie.

I like to get sucked into games as the lead characters, so would be nice to disable trophies when playing through for the first time while experiencing the story and character development for the first time. (Just realised I can disable the noise and pop-up from the menu, will do that instead, so no more distractions while in the moment)

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5TAY3R
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:25:30 PM
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yep, i agree it gives a game some sort of longevity but at the same time, when i see a whole bunch of my friends playing in the same account and playing in the jailbroken console and then posting the trophy update through another psn enabled console is just plain absured and disgusting
i mean we buy a game to give our heart some sort of joy not to show others how powerful or dedicated gamer i am, its just totally kills the point of video gaming

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:00:37 AM

I think ur friends r such desperate losers for that.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:23:40 AM

Is the highest trophy or achievement score something worth boasting about?

I mean, non-gamers would just look at that person as the biggest anti-social, game-obsessed nerd, even though the online or gaming community would celebrate that guy or girl's achievement.

I would much rather boast about a real award or trophy rather than a digital one. It's why I think trophies are good for getting you to play a whole game and enjoy everything the developer put into it, not something to brag about and compare with your friends.

I ended a friendship recently with someone who kept bagging out my achievement score on 360, encouraging me to play more games and get it over 10,000. When I bagged out his trophy score, he said trophies don't matter. I told him that if trophies don't matter, then neither do achievements, so why bother listening to you? He changed the subject. I cut him off.

Life has been better not being forced to get more unnecessary trophies and achievements that friends tried to force me to do. (sorry, ex-friends)

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tazdood1199
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 11:56:02 PM
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So far the only game I've gotten a Platinum for and completed 100% for trophies is Fallout 3. I had a lot of fun doing it. Don't know if I'll Platinum and 100% any other game, but I will do my best. Yay, trophies! Lol. By the way, my PSN is tazdood1199 if anyone wants to add me.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:02:54 AM

Is the fallout 3 plat hard?

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godsdream
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:59:06 AM

@Killa No man, not that hard. I give it a 4 from 10 of difficulty if I remember well.

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tazdood1199
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:58:58 PM

No, it wasn't that hard. Plat was for the original game, but to 100% it, you have to have the DLC. Having to find all the steel ingots in The Pitt, and all the Alien Recordings in Mothership Zeta was kind of a pain, but you have to do it. Don't get me wrong, it was fun, but like I said, kind of a pain in the butt. The DLC was worth the money, I think.

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main_event05
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:05:23 AM
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yea, but I think some games miss the point of them, giving them out for completing chapters of the story?? eh. Giving them out cause you took out 500 hundred "whatevers" with a potato peeler?? now that deserves a trophy.

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BikerSaint
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:02:19 AM

Agreed, just like the 2 games that gave me a trophy for finishing the tutorial.
WTF was that for?

No way a trophy for that should be given out.
To me, it sorely threatens to cheapen up the whole trophy list & it also kind of tells me that the developer is either, super lazy, has no incentive, doesn't care enough, is uninspired, or just burned out & lost their creativity.

Or maybe it could all just be a case of.....

.....all of the above.

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:39:59 AM

Crysis 2 gaves me a trophy by just starting a campaign... that was cool :)

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godsdream
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:57:53 AM
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Give me all trophies you want, I don't care. Just NOT online trophies. It's like they are forcing you to keep playing even if you don't want to play anymore, that's BS! And don't tell me they don't do it for that please, you know I'm right (Imagine sports games or FPS without online trophies).

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Beamboom
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:09:36 AM

The same can be said about offline trophies though. :)


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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:16:27 AM

Only reason I agree is because it is unfair to have online trophies to collect if the online component has been disabled, like in old Madden games or something.

If the online server is down, then you can't get the trophies, so no point bothering.

I just wish there was an option to delete trophy information for games I hired or only tried once and returned. So annoying seeing so many games in my list sitting below 10%. Even more annoying is trying to reach the skill level of the best online player who played that game non-stop just to earn that one trophy!! GAAAAHHHH!!! HATE IT!!

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Beamboom
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:26:09 AM

omg that's so true Dance! lol - those 1% entries annoy the heck out of me too!

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godsdream
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:45:33 AM

@Beamboom, huh No. So then where are those million times gamers are playing just one time (finish story, campaign, championship, etc.), finish the game and that is it? lol That is the nature of videogames. Just complete last mission, game, track, etc, etc, period. The least I could accept is going for a higher score, but that's it.

I say that some trophies are just too far from logic. They should separate them. Make 2 platinums, or make another system for online trophies.

On a side note, please pray for my now perished launch phat PS3 60 gig model. As an irony, it did his last great actions playing online GT5 with 2 cousins 2 or 3 days ago. I got the red light of dead or that thing. GRRRRRR I hate more online now!!! I'm truly sad, I loved that machine so much, so shiny, chromed details, multimedia stuff, heavy. I guess I'll have to buy a slim now...I don't physically like it :(

Maybe I can take a little forced break from gaming and focus more on my writing... tips are always welcome :)

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Beamboom
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 3:30:14 AM

The same can be said about off-line trophies in the sense that they too are forcing you to keep playing if you don't want to play anymore, or force you to play in a way you otherwise would not have wanted to in order to get them. You don't get them all simply by beating the game.

Often you have to for example play all classes, reach a certain level, use all weapons in a certain way, kill a given mob X times, use a certain tool X times, complete a mission/map with certain requirements, etc.
That too can be said to be "forcing a player to keep playing". And some offline games have *horrible* trophy requirements. I have beaten games where I have not even achieved 50% of the trophies.

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Clamedeus
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:08:38 AM

Single player trophies are fine, playing online to get them will just be annoying depending on the game.

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godsdream
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:49:21 PM

@Beamboom Not exactly, the offline types are for exploring every inch of the game, and the online are just to force to keep playing their game.

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main_event05
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:45:59 PM

my favorite are those rare launch trophies, be the 1st to do xyz or some crap like that.

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Beamboom
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:11:19 AM
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I'm pretty neutral on this subject (as those of you with me on your friends list can tell). I don't think I've ever really hunted one, yet it's nice when I get one.
And I love the *sound* it makes when I get a trophy!


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Dancemachine55
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:13:18 AM
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For me, it makes games better. Makes me wanna explore places and do things I wouldn't normally do without trophies or achievements.

However, it is a double edged sword, especially if you're a compulsive collector who must own them all.

Take Fable II for example, I am one achievement shy of 100%, but the final achievement is damn near impossible to get without a whole bunch of friends to play online with who have finished the game also. (I'm atalking about the Dollcatcher achievement, do people here know it?)

If some trophies or achievements are too hard, it only frustrates people, however, if they are too easy, people will collect them for an easy high score and then return or trade the game. It must be hard for developers to find that right balance of easy and hard to achieve trophies.

I like them, and the fact that Vita has them too makes me want that device even more!!!

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AshT
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:33:35 AM
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I love hunting trophies and i want the platinum on all the games i play, but at the same time it is annoying some games have mupliplayer trophies like reach level 50 or kill 10000 etc. (games like Resistance 2/ AC: Brotherhood), i dont play multiplayer that much so those trophies annoy me as hell.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 1:38:41 AM
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I adore getting trophies. I guess you could say that I'm a bit of a trophy whore haha. I believe that trophies really can let you get every little bit out of a game and make you $60 worth it. Hevay Rain, for example, was a fulfilling feeling once that Platinum trophy popped up. Because it had allowed me to explore every bit of the game and gave me a challenge. So yes, I love trophies.

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BikerSaint
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:58:29 AM
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Hmmmm,
So far, I see that I've picked up 313 trophies, and their break-down comes out to 254 Bronze, 41 Silver, 18 Gold, with zero Platinum's to show for.

But out of all the trophies I do have so far, the # 1 single trophy that I'm most proud of receiving is a Bronze one, and it was the....
"Entering every square kilometer map region of the world" trophy from FarCry2.

Yeah, I was determined to search every damn inch of FC2's open-world(87 hours worth), including that b*tch of a desert where I kept passing out repeatedly from thirst.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 3:15:27 AM
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They do nothing for me except irritate me to see them sitting there at a 30-ish% completion rate because I usually do little except playing through the SP campaign and don't really go for all of the extra rhubarb.

What would get me more interested would be unlocking extraneous content based on the trophies that you get, like behind the scenes videos, concept art, extra weapons, extra modes... kind of like what Resistance 3 did. Except not having to buy the content with credits, just unlock them straight up, like Heavenly Sword and how it's based on your score in the level.

Yeah, that'd work.

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___________
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 3:46:52 AM
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id say depends on the person.
all they do is add replay value to a game which both annoys and pleases people.
some enjoy striving for trophies, while others hate it.
for me it depends, i like getting the trophies like complete a difficult task, or do something in the shortest time possible.
what i hate is collection trophies.
getting all the shards for infamous, man that was not fun that was torture!
it drove me FREAKING INSANE!
running around for days spamming the L3 button and sitting 2mms away from the screen hoping to spot something.
god, thinking about it just makes me want to hurl my PC out the window!
or getting all the zoni in R&C ACIT, i mean why?
just why!?
its nice having more to do in a game, but sometimes you just want to move on to something else and that feeling oh no i cant move on yet i have to get just one more trohpy till i get the plat.
i spent almost all of november 09 finding all the feathers in AC2, thats literally all i did just find f*cking feathers!
i guess its good in a way because in the quiet months it gives you something to do, but in the busy months its a pain in the a$$ because you just want to move on!
ive given up on trophy hoarding now, if i get it i get it, if i dont im not going to sit there for a week + just to get some stupid electronic symbol!

another thing i HATE about trophies is online trophies.
i thought trophies were suppose to be a display of skill not of having no life!
again back to the collection trophies, how does finding every single hig symbol or intel case in KZ2 display skill?
finishing it on elite now thats skill!
that sh*t was f*cking hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how does spending 8+ hours a day in MP to get into the top 1% for KZ2 display skill?
it does not!
hell, i got the trophy for being in the top 3% and i f*cking suck at KZ2!
trophies should be given for having skill, for doing things hard.
not for sitting on there playing it for 10 hours a day!

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 4:21:44 AM

Finding all those feathers in AC2 was indeed tedious. What I did was I finished the story then played another game, only going back to AC2 when I feel like taking a break. Took me a while but I got it done eventually.

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___________
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:36:03 AM

yea thats what i eventually had to do it was driving me nuts!
i found the blast shards in infamous allot harder though, at least in AC2 you could turn on eagle vision and see them from a really far distance away but with infamous you had to be pretty close for them to show up on the radar.
plus if i remember right there were only 200 feathers compared to infamous 250 shards.
i wish developers would put a scanner in the game that would show you how many were in each area at least that way you know roughly where they are.
i remember i had 2 shards left and i spent days searching 2 islands and turned out they were on the last one.
or at least create a website like criterion did and let us upload our saves onto there and it tells us how many we have and how many in each area we have left.

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BIGRED15
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:30:27 AM

Now that I can agree with. I'm trying to change my gaming habits so that those collection trophies arent always the last thing i have to do.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:21:27 AM

That trophy list is daunting.

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Danny007
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 7:29:31 AM
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I like getting trophies a lot, but I think that there should be a way to turn off trophies so you don't get the pop up on screen for those gamers that are annoyed by them.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 7:53:41 AM
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Yes, I believe they have made gaming better. Gaming is gaming, but trophy hunting is an added bonus. I am a trophy hunter and I am completely addicted to it. I don't have to platinum every game I play. I only platinum my most treasured games.
Also, they make you dive into the game in more depth. They can add many hours to a game. However, at the same time some trophies are very difficult to get. I finished RDR at about the 30 hour mark and ended up putting 50 more hours in it to get the platinum. Now that is a ton of time spent on a game that was old school beat.
Ultimately, trophies a great way for developers to make sure people pay their games thoroughly.

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SoulController
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:27:12 AM
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I love trophies and I'm glad they add replay value but some are just not fun to get. The 13 platinums I have were all pretty easy & ill just stick to the easy ones. One of my buddies got a platinum in demons souls & its his only platinum. Thats all he needs if ya ask me

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flamefury42
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:31:38 AM
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I think trophies are a good way for gamers to experience more things in the game that they didn't already know and challenge ourselves to new heights. But once I've gotten every trophy for the game, I'm completely done with it, and I"m almost never go back to it.

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 8:47:31 AM
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I already have 1493 trophies, including 13 platinums, should have a few more plats but online trophies are almost impossible to me.

Sometimes I feel like a trophy whore.

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Underdog15
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:25:53 AM

I recently reached my 13th platinum as well. But I have far fewer trophies than you.

Even before trophies, I've always been the type to beat the crap out of a game. Not just beat it. Beat the crap out of it. I want everything. I don't want to miss a single cutscene or conversation, no matter how mundane. I want every item, and I want to know everything there is to know about the game I'm beating the crap out of. When I run around the town, I talk to EVERY NPC before I move on. Sometimes, if I trigger a cutscene that makes me leave an area before I talk to everyone, I'll restart and avoid the cutscene. It's part of the reason I have such a large backlog.

As a result, I've probably played much fewer games than you, as is shown by you having a few hundred more trophies. But when I beat a game, I beat it good and hard. Hence the high ratio of platinums to trophies.

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:00:57 PM

Yeah I try to beat every game too, but sometimes I just don't have enough time to play

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Fane1024
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 2:45:02 AM

Underdog,
I do that too (reload if I missed being able to do everything), twice this week in fact.

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dante_zero
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:32:45 AM
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well i have 93 platinums and nearly 7000 trophys in total cause i've been slacking abit with games recently . But the way i see trophys and achievements is it's a mark of your personal gaming log. doesn't matter if you have platinum on a game but if you get it and your happy about it than thats fine too.
My playing habits haven't really changed since ps2 days and i still put alot on time into games wether it be to platinum it or just play the game.

The only down side to the trophys and achievements though is that some people do take it far too seriously. Say for example my friend gets a platinum on a game i'll congratulate them and it's all good. Then there's the people on the net who decide they have a complex and find it nessecary to throw abuse at people with high trophy count's which is really undeserved and uncool. It's this factor that does worry me about these systems but at the end of the day if you've worked hard in a game and got a virtual reward, aslong at you've enjoyed doing it thats all that matters.

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Beamboom
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:46:43 AM

Whaaat? You *got* to be kidding??? Closing in on a HUNDRED plats?!?! *shocked*

Can I have your psn ID please? I gotta see that! Not that I don't believe you, I just have never seen a list like that ever in my life!

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Underdog15
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:54:30 AM

That's more platinums than I've played games. *eyes wide*

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:05:33 PM

That is absolutely awesome, one of my friends have almost 130 platinums, he spends all day playing, I even doubt he sleeps

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godsdream
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:46:19 PM

haha I have a friend that is level 40 or something (yeap, level 40 is more than 12,00 trophies I think)

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Crabba
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:08:08 PM

holy cr*p, how do you even have time to finish 93 games, let alone platinum that many. Crazy :) I'm proud of my one and only so far (burnout paradise) lol

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pavlovic
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:40:39 AM
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I love to ear trophies/achievements. I try to gain as much t/a as I can trough a normal play and only if the game's worth it go for the platinum. That generally speaking.

But a couple of weeks ago I bought Madden and after seeing the trophy list I decided to plat it. Las saturday I did and I didn't have the acomplishment feel as I did with Uncharted 2 or inFamous 2. I haven't played a franchise season on Madden and only focused on the trophies; I feel as if I haven't played the game at all.

And some developers are crazy with the requirements to obtain certain trophies/achievements. There are some as pointless as "Pause the game" and some as ridiculous as "Kill 100,000 enemies".

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nogoat23
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 10:48:41 AM
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I love reading through the comments on articles like this. Good job PSXextreme community.

I love trophies and I hate them. I love them when they add additional challenges that I may not have thought to try. I hate them when my roommate is yelling at me and begging me to GET HIS TROPHIES FOR HIM because I have some that he doesn't have.

He doesn't recognize what's wrong about that...

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TrophyHunter
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:11:43 PM

Is a great community right?? :)

One of my friends pay me to help him get the platinum for the first InFamous, It was cool I enjoy the game amd even get some bucks

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dante_zero
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:24:02 PM
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@beamboom my psn id is exactly the same as my psx id. Dante_Zero

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Beamboom
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 6:37:12 AM

Cool, I'll add you! Gotta see that list of yours! :D

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DemonNeno
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:20:50 PM
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I cant' wrap my head around trophies. I don't have anything against them, but I generally forget they even exist..! I wouldn't be able to tell you how to find out what trophies I can get in a game.

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Alienange
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 2:54:19 PM
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That's the best thing about trophies; they're a "high score" that actually matters. Back in the day that's all there was so your three letter initials were at the top and the challenge was there for all to see.

Nowadays you have gamers who think their trophy count is a high score too, but OH LOOK AT THAT, you have a zillion Pixar games trophies. You thought maybe no one would notice? That they'd only see your trophy count and think you're awesome sauce? One quick gander at another gamer's trophies tells you all you need to know about how pathetic of a gamer they truly are. Or maybe, just MAYBE, you'll see someone who actually knows what he's talking about.

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Robochic
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 4:52:43 PM
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I love trophies :) not sure why really maybe it's see 100% and going ya I finished that.

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Nasty80
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 7:19:39 PM
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Im a trophy whore, if it wasnt for online i would have at least 4 more platinums.
Everytime the trophy ding pops up, my son yells "YAY DAD YOU BOUGHT A TROPHY!" LOL.

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Crabba
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 9:22:48 PM
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I love trophies for some unknown reason, especially hearing that "Ding!" every time, especially when I don't expect it! It's annoying thinking back on some of my old games I've played a lot and not have gotten a single trophy for it, like GH3, Heavenly sword etc... but still they're also in many ways completely pointless because you don't gain anything for getting them...

I still think Sony could do *A LOT* more with trophies though. The "Character level" thing is not really seen or used at all. You don't even get a "Ding!" when you gain a new level... You have to manually check with user to see what level you're at and how many trophies you have.

It's also really annoying that you can't remove games you don't intend to play from your trophy list, and have to live with several games with 0% in your list for no reason :(

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Fane1024
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 2:49:25 AM

Also, I think we'd all agree that there should be more fanfare for the platinum.

p.s. I don't understand at all why some of you want to remove low-trophy-count games from your list. You earned those trophies; why don't you want credit?


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Crabba
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 5:05:39 PM

well I have a couple of games where I have *zero* or one trophy, I don't see any point in keeping those in my list if I never intend to play the game again, so why can't I do it? They're just taking up space in my list and it's annoying have to scroll through them.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 12:44:57 AM
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I think more developers should bulk up their trophy lists by adding a little something to your accomplishment once maybe you've either gotten to xxx percentage amount of trophy's in the game, or for reaching an extra special trophy or 3. Or maybe even to attach just a little something extra to every trophy listed.

Like giving us some added content, some extra DLC, unlocking stuff, skins, weapons, factoids, related mini-games, behind the scenes facts, avatars & clothing etc for Home, or maybe even unlocking a special artwork gallery, etc. I mean the stuff they could attach to their trophy list could be endless, and mind boggling.

And that way it could very well make getting more trophies. a lot more relevant to the gamers like myself, who usually don't go chasing after them as much.

Just my 2 cents....

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Crabba
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 5:07:41 PM

That's exactly what they could/should be doing with the whole trophy system.

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Wendell
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 3:05:51 AM
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I generally like trophies, but they certainly aren't necessary. Games that I get into I like to finish up that platinum. Some games I don't feel like playing anymore after I finish them the first time, those I don't worry about the trophies at all. Also, I can understand why some people think that it isn't quite right that you need to get a bunch of multiplayer trophies to get platinum in an Assassins Creed game, but I went ahead and did the grind to get my platinum for AC:Brotherhood.

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Lairfan
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 7:50:49 PM
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I like story-related trophies (just to show that you actually played the single player to a game) and trophies that require you to use weapons/abilities in creative ways (for example, Resistance 3 has a ton of those). And getting the plat for a game you love always feels awesome.

The only thing I really hate about trophies are that they don't really give you anything besides a score (like you talked about Ben), and that there are so many crappy grinding trophies that are just unfun and don't add different ways to play the game whatsoever. If devs could get rid of the unfun trophies (because I believe that all trophies should either be fun or based on difficulty, not frustrating or annoying "kill this many" kind of trophies) and give us stuff for earning them (like avatars, in-game extras, you name it), then this system would be a whole lot more relevant than it is now. Oh, and I also hope they someday add a feature to delete trophies for games you hate (I've always wanted to get rid of my Far Cry 2 trophies because I absoutely despise that game, but that's besides the point).

But as it stands, they're nice additions to the games I like, and that's all I can really say right now.

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Eangarra
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:51:07 AM
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I find trophies a nuisance most times. Why? As an avid gamer since 1985 it just never mattered to me the aspects of games these trophies highlight. Like the article states.. "you walked through the hall" just irritates me. Then there is the amount of time these trophies make me feel I need to allot to a game. Did it make gaming better? I don't believe so. I guess it is just the ever evolving market of gaming though. I just don't bother with most trophies so to me I can take them or leave them.

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TheCanadianGuy
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:25:23 PM

yea thats pretty much how i feel to

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MrAnonymity
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:40:29 PM
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You know... when I first heard of trophies and achievements I was like, "Great, a new way for gamers to compare their e-wieners." Now, though, I find myself actually trying to get the trophies in my games and actually feel accomplished when I get them. I guess it is a matter of perspective, like most things in life. Some people use them for bragging rights while some use them for a sense of accomplishment. I'm definitely the latter... particularly because, though I am online with my PS3, I really don't play any online games.

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Gravelight
Friday, September 23, 2011 @ 5:22:41 AM
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I like trophies because they make you search and sometimes do what you normally wouldn't do in a game. Sometimes there are dumb trophies you get for absolutely no reason other than doing what you're suppose to do. those suck. But the ones that take effort without backtracking or hassle are cool. It also shows how much free time a person really has and for those "all about it", it gives them competition without harm or lying remarks. Like when you ask someone if they played a certain game and they say yeah, but really have no idea what your talking about. They can't lie, if it doesn't appear it won't be on their list of achieved trophies. Yes, there are people like that. There's a number of reasons we like trophies and there's not really a reason to "not" like them, so go figure i guess.

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