Everyone Overreacted To PSN Downtime...Surprise, Surprise

LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 9:30:36 PM
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I have so much faith in Sony that this morning when I was unable to connect to the PSN I assumed it was my router, then I checked my p2p blocker, then I checked my modem. Finally I decided to get online on my computer and see that it actually was down. Oh well, I'm glad I downloaded RE4 last night so I was able to enjoy it during the down time.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:05:22 PM

Me too. I reset everything before attempting to call Sony. They had an automated announcement as soon as they picked up that it was down. Not a big deal. Started playing Deus Ex while it was down.

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Oxvial
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:54:55 PM

How is RE4 HD?, I read reviews that the HD in this game was a disappointment.

Last edited by Oxvial on 9/21/2011 10:55:14 PM

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Jawknee
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 11:24:11 PM

It's not on par with HD remakes like God of War or ICO but it's certainly not as bad as IGN made it out to be.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 2:37:06 AM

What Jawk said. It isn't a true HD upgrade like we've been used to getting with other PS2 ports but it certainly looks better than the PS2 game. It's a port of the Gamecube version. I admit I'm disappointed that Capcom was lazy with the port but not surprised since they've been one of the worst devs this generation for me.

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Oxvial
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:22:41 AM

Oh well, gonna stay with the Wii version.

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 9:31:49 PM
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Completely agreed Ben, over reaction all round. I read a few articles that turned up on Google, and did some digging. I couldn't find much about it at all. In fact I was beginning to think it was either a hoax, or someone running an old story had triggered a feeding frenzy by mistake. So I posted on the forum here asking if PSN was down. Within an hour, people were posting that PSN was available, and no one really indicated that there was a problem.

Honestly, in this world, whether it's hackers, natural disaster or hardware failure, some downtime is inevitable, it's unavoidable. What is avoidable - and this is a lesson that many in the media need to learn immediately - is behaving like a fool. A fool immediately over-reacts to any downtime and declares that the sky is falling. Thank you Ben, for being a voice of reason among the unreasoning.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:08:35 PM

More like within 15 minutes ;) Haha, if only it wasn't for that update it would have been within 5.

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 9:33:30 PM
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Seriously Kotaku was like up in arms the moment they got wind of the network being down. I honestly didn't notice since I was able to access my Japanese and Euro account just fine. I guess some folks are just looking for any way to knock Sony down this coming holiday season. It's pretty pathetic how some "Journalists" love to put negative spins on things. Today's incident pretty much solidifies that.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:01:30 PM

Well, I mean, it's Kotaku.

If they could find a way for the PS3 to die, they'd do it.

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Doppel
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:01:09 AM

@Ben Dutka:

Now that you mention it, I hopped over to the "Gamer's Guide" and after some digging I found this link:

http://kotaku.com/5842586/sonys-playstation-network-goes-down-sony-hacked-again-credit-card-info-at-%20risk

Click it and read the URL. Seriously. This alarmist attitude makes Fox News looks professional by comparison.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:11:38 AM

Trust me, we've known about Kotaku's bias for a loooooong time. I think everyone has.

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Jed
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 1:33:46 AM

I just looked at that link and they have totally changed it. It mentions the hacking from earlier this year, but nowhere does it mention any hacking or credit cards at risk anymore. Those poor bastards.

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Riku994
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 9:33:39 PM
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I had no idea :/

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Doppel
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 11:51:01 PM

Me too... Downtime? What downtime? I was playing LittleBigPlanet2 just fine when this "downtime" nonsense was going rounds.

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Jed
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 1:35:14 AM

I didn't either!

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GHOST67
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 9:40:06 PM
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i didn't mind it being down i just played the impossible game to kill time

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wenezz
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 9:55:18 PM
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i dont really care rather it was down or not..... as long my PS3 is in great condition so my friends can play when they come over or when i visit them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:01:58 PM
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It's just a way to get hits out of the xbots that eat this stuff up. I rolled my eyes and passed it by while doing the news.

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PasteNuggs
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:05:56 PM
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I just thought it was my internet. I never even crossed my mind that it was a network problem. Didn't bother me anyway, I was to busy play God Of War.

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556pineapple
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:18:16 PM
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I wasn't too concerned, though I was a bit upset because I had to wait longer to download RE4. Not too big an issue though.

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BLACKSUN
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:22:10 PM
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I saw it was down took a nap. Woke up and it was on. No big problem.

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SaiyanSempai
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:34:44 PM
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Ben, Highlander, I completely agree! I didn't even realize that the PSN was down because, like most of us, we work during the day.

Down time is inevitable, that's why I don't think all this talk about all consoles being like onlive in the future will really be a good idea. With physical hardware in my home, when the network goes out, I can still watch movies, stream content from my computer, play games (not online) and whatever else I want. If it was a completely online console, it is left as a paperweight until network connectivity comes back.

I just don't think the cloud console idea for the future is a great idea. Am I the only one thinking this?

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Jed
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 1:36:57 AM

No

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Clamedeus
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:27:42 AM

I agree, and no you aren't the only one.

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Alienange
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:45:23 PM
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Yeah, I do actually think there's a hefty amount of gamers out there that are SO plugged in. I really do. Like they don't have friends beyond their PSN list.

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Sogi_Otsa
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:50:14 PM
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... it was down? i thought my internet was just being dumb... didn't stop me from playing the Baconing or Catherine some.

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Oxvial
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:53:16 PM
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I wouldn't notice if wasn't for the Sega forum in where some xbros were having a party with this lol, I just logged fine.

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JackDillinger89
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:54:33 PM
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I was too busy playing gears of war 3 to even notice psn was down but im confident sony handled the situation accordingly.

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main_event05
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:02:59 AM

Gross

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FM23
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:31:09 AM

dude above me is a sony fanboy for sure...or he's just a very funny person...ones gotta be true...lol

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Underdog15
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:24:41 AM

Relax FM. lol I thought he was being cute! ;)

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Jawknee
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:13:14 AM

FM can never pass up a good chance to call some one a Sony fanboy.

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FM23
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:32:28 AM

Kind of odd you said that Jawknee...he's the second person I've called a fanboy outside of Kiryu and as you can or can't tell...I was joking anyway, but I'm serious when I say it about Kiryu

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FM23
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:33:10 AM

@Underdog...I know he was joking as well

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:03:32 PM

I'm a Kiryu fan ever since the comments after Bens Yakuza review. *That* was pure poetry. :)

Last edited by Beamboom on 9/22/2011 12:08:36 PM

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Nas Is Like
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 10:59:23 PM
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On the bright side, this does show just how much gamers love their PS3/PSN. It may seem like a negative that they're overreacting and complaining about it, but they're doing it because they care.

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sonic1899
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 11:02:46 PM
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It was a VERY big overreaction with some folks thinking it was another attack. Xbox live apparently suffered an outage as well, but as soon as it happens to PSN, we hear "PSN is bad quality" or "You get what you pay for." I really have no idea why the gaming media (and to some extent the community) is so quick to point out Sony's errors but kiss and make up with Microsoft if they do something worse.

I read somewhere that at least MS treats their costumer better. At least Sony will say something's wrong and will try to fix it; MS will just continue like nothing's wrong.

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DazeOfWar
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 11:09:21 PM
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I was at work so never even noticed.

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Giukbulu
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 11:12:35 PM

same as me,also at work at the time...

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Highlander
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 @ 11:33:04 PM

I was on an accursed training course, and was checking Google news during a spare moment...

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:16:04 AM
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So.. what is worse?

Microsoft biased websites or the 360 fans that populate these domains?

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Highlander
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:20:27 AM

Canadians.

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or the French.

;)

Last edited by Highlander on 9/22/2011 12:20:53 AM

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Jawknee
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:32:16 AM

Lol!

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Riku994
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 6:53:08 AM

I'm Canadian :(

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dbyzforce
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 7:58:08 AM

I am Canadian >:(

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gumbi
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:09:40 AM

If Southpark has taught me anything, it's to accept that fact that it's just fun to blame Canada.

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Underdog15
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:26:11 AM

Oh totally, guys. We'll take any blame you can't handle. We don't have anything to blame ourselves for at all lately, so it's nice to feel we're just as imperfect as the rest of the world from time to time. ;)

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Underdog15
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:27:06 AM

Hey Highlander, just blame it on who the rest of us Canadians blame it on...

The French Canadians!!!!! :o *runs and hides* (-said with the utmost love for our Quebec residing members of PSXE.) lol

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:57:49 AM

French Canadians, LOL!!

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Highlander
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:51:21 AM

Ah, the perfect solution, don't blame the Canadians, nor the French, blame their hybrid, the French Canadians! Yes, I like it, I like the elegant efficiency of it. Excellent!
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Seriously though guys, this is just a joke, and a well trodden one at that. If anyone honestly believes that I have a problem with Canadians, the French, or for that matter French Canadians, they clearly don't know me very well.

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Underdog15
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 2:49:47 PM

/sarc/ Oh I know all about you, Highlander, you racist, you! /sarc/

so uh... some WKC2 later?

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Highlander
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 3:39:11 PM

WKC2? Oh yea, there already, but still catching up. Rememebr I ended up brining my avatar over but starting at lvl 1...

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FM23
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:30:00 AM
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Man this is the first I've heard about any PSN downtime...yeah, these internet nerds to come on it to "HATE" need to find a hobby, get a job, are just find some constructive do...complaining about nonsense won't boost your self esteem nor is anyone really listening. The Internet is a foul creature?

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:56:46 AM

Ya think?

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dante_zero
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 1:20:49 AM
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over reaction is an understatement. Can't believe so many sites even posted news on this, must have been a slow news day. :o)

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 1:24:14 AM
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Much like after a terrorist attack: It didn't take much to create related headlines in the aftermath of the Twin Towers, London subway or Barcelona bomb.

Or this guy here in Norway a couple of months ago.
After he fired off a van full of stuff that goes bang, any white van parked suspiciously were a potential bomb, both in the eyes of the media and the rest of us. It's only natural. It's how media works, it's how *we* work.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:14:56 AM

I don't see the similarities between something so serious (terrorists) to something completely petty (gaming network crash).

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:32:43 AM

Don't you? They don't have comparable consequences, no. But let's not lose all grip on perspective here.

The psn outage has been one of the biggest "cyber-attack" in the gaming world so far - and created headline after headline far, far beyond the gaming sphere. From that perspective any sign of PSN going down *again* is news. It's only to be expected.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:46:05 AM

Speaking of 'grip'..

As I mentioned earlier, the two really do not belong in a comparison.

99.99% of all of the people involved in 9/11 (for example) faced life and death consequences.

99.99% of all the people effected by the PSN outage had an inconvenience.

Apples to Oranges really.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:55:14 AM

I believe both could be called a terrorist attack. And that's where my comparison ends. But let's forget that, it's beside the point anyways.

The core of the matter is that I find it to be a natural reaction - being it entitled or not - that after such a huge "inconvenience" (let's call it that instead) people are more wary on this matter, and that gaming news sites are paying attention to if this is happening again.

I *really* don't understand why so many of you seem to not understand why this gained focus yesterday! I mean, c'mon guys! :D

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 3:14:16 PM

Terrorism aside -

I understand 'why' the PSN being down gained attention from websites.

It's negative news. People love to complain and read about complaining.

I have also noticed that this generations entitlement theology has gone way overboard.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 2:06:05 AM
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CVG had no less than three articles about it. Bloody hell, it happens. Ah well, unimportant, move on.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:58:29 AM

CVG - Another Anti-Sony site.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:10:26 AM

... or simply a games news site. :D

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Highlander
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:02:27 AM

Beamboom, get serious for a moment. Several hours of downtime caused by a server failure - or whatever - does not even come close to beginning to think about equating to the outage that occurred in the Spring. If you want to tell the bias and leaning of a particular news site, all you need to is look at how they report/spin a minor story of this nature. If a site runs no less than three stories about it, you have to wonder why they are running three stories about such a minor interruption in service. You also have to look at the tone and content of the articles, the headlines and the way they are presented.

There are 8760 hours in a given year. Even if you hit 99.9% up time (which would be excellent for a global network that uses the public Internet to provide the backbone) you are still looking at nearly 9 hours a year of downtime. So assuming 99.9% reliability, you might see 9 hours a year of unscheduled downtime.

That doesn't provide for attacks on the network, so let's not even try to bring that into the mix when discussing basic service reliability. How many businesses run to 99.9% service levels? Public utilities might (except in the last year I've had electrical outages that total well past 7 consecutive days), hospital services might, other essential services might. But what about non-essential services? No one runs at that level of service commitment, not in the real world. You'll be luck to see a commitment to 98%.

If you looked at just a 98% commitment, you're looking at 175 hours of outage time, or just about 7 and a half days. Excluding the attack on PSN, how much actual unscheduled (or scheduled) downtime does PSN experience in a given year? If it's even close to 4 days per year, I will be extremely surprised.

So we have news outlets reporting a minor service outage that lasted a few hours as if the sky were falling. Seems like there might be grounds to conclude some level of bias. Seems like you are either not looking at the full context, or do you agree with the bias?

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:22:36 AM

All I am trying to say is that I understand why this reached the news headlines. Look around you, at *any* news coverage. When things happen journalists are all over it long before there are any public statement from the ones involved. This is simply how news are created, this is how they appear. I don't defend or criticize it, I just express why I am not surprised it gained attention.

Other than that I refer to my reply below, High. :)

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 2:50:56 AM
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This actually happened on the net? Really? The eye of moron indeed.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 3:45:50 AM
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whenever there is downtime involving psn this is going to happen every single time becuase of the way things went last time. over time this may begin to fade but somehow i doubt it.

i agree with beamboom. this is a perfectly natural response by the media and gamers.

Last edited by Excelsior1 on 9/22/2011 3:55:39 AM

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 3:48:56 AM

Time heals all wounds. But it was a deep cut.

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frylock25
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 4:22:50 AM

now its time to pour salt in the open wound

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TrophyHunter
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:40:53 AM

So, the welcome back pack wasn't enough to heal those wounds??

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Jawknee
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:17:43 AM

"i agree with beamboom. this is a perfectly natural response by the media and gamers."

Only if you have your priorities out of whack. Seriously, if PSN going down for a few hours is that devastating to these gamers, they have a problem.

Last edited by Jawknee on 9/22/2011 9:18:51 AM

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:10:44 AM

Jawknee-
Indeed. The PS3/360 generation of gamers is one of many complaint.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:38:49 AM

Not devastating - noone died here. All I am saying is that it's newsworthy!

Why should a gaming news site *not* report about it if PSN all of a sudden went down with a weird error message, and stayed down without any info about it anywhere, and a large share of my readers being affected and wondering what is happening?

I mean, if that's not an obvious news item then what is! Sometimes I get the impression that many of you think all gaming sites should refrain from anything but distributing press releases...

@Trophy: It's not a question about the compensation here. It's just that I don't want to experience the one month offline experience again. So am I more jumpy now whenever PSN is down than I was before the outage? But of course. In my opinion that's only natural. Once bitten twice shy?

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Highlander
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:05:26 AM

You're both wrong, and unrealistic. But you won't agree with me, and I won't bother trying to change your mind. For the rest of the readership however, consider that in a given year 99% reliability of a service still means that there are about 3.75 days in the year where service will be out. 99% service reliability is extremely high for a non-essential, non-emergency service of any kind. I don't believe that Sony has achieved anything less than 99% reliability of the network - excluding the attack on PSN. In terms of general service reliability, that is a very reliable service.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:15:09 AM

@Highlander: You are wrong, I agree with you (how's that for logical breach)!
These things *are* to be expected. And no harm done. It will happen again. This was nothing! False alarm! What's a couple of hours downtime? *nothing*!

But noone knew this *when it happened*! that's the entire point here. And after that psn outage, who of course started with being down for just a few hours, then days, then weeks... After that month, why do people on this site ask why this reached the headlines yesterday? I think it's amazing it has to be explained!

All I am saying is that I understand why - more than that, I find it to be a totally natural reaction.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 1:20:26 PM

i wonder why there seemed to be an over reaction out there? could it be becuase the last time psn went went down it went down for nearly a month? it's no surprise that this was heavily covered. any psn outage will. it's just plain naive to think differently. i bet you some of sony's own employees thought in the back their heads oh sh!t here we go again. it's just human nature.

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Underdog15
Friday, September 23, 2011 @ 8:46:56 AM

Yeah... that's great and all about not knowing at the time, Beamboom... but how many of those sites later reported, that ok... false alarm. Turns out it was nothing major. As you were people...

No... they left it at the sky is falling and didn't return to conclude their stories when it seemed to be fine. So for me, it isn't how the original stories are spun that dictates bias... it's the follow through and conclusion of events that indicates bias. And there is plenty of it.

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___________
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 4:25:50 AM
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there reporting on whats happening, hows that a bad thing?
i was wondering why i could not sign into my account on my ps3 last night especially since i could do so on the blog.
if it was not for these articles your attacking i would of not known it was down.
so thank you guys for bringing the news to my attention!
god, when you spam "news" its fine but when others write bad things about $ony ohhhhh better rush in the wambulance!
oh, and ben why have you not written a article on $onys controversial now TOS?
removing my right for a class action law suit?
your kidding me right!?
playstation, not only does it remove features YOU PAID FOR!
it also removes your god given LEGAL RIGHTS!
and people wonder why i hate $ony so much...............

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frylock25
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 4:31:23 AM

god has nothing to do with your legal rights. so funny how you hate sony but microsoft should be the one getting the class action suit for all those lemon 360s they sold. i just now realized why its called a 360, after you buy it get it home and play it, it rrods on you and you have to 360 back to the store to get another one.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 5:12:33 AM

@frylock: ... You'd have to do a 180 then.

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TrophyHunter
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:10:52 AM

lol @ frylock25

Man if you do a 360 you just end up in your house again :)

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Jawknee
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:20:53 AM

Reporting news is just fine, making up bs when you have no idea what is really going on in order to score hits on your crappy site is another thing. Even a head case like you should be able to understand that.

"it also removes your god given LEGAL RIGHTS!
and people wonder why i hate $ony so much..............."

You didn't have to agree to their new terms. You CHOSE to forfeit those rights. I really wish you would find another site. No sense in hanging around a Sony dedicated site when you hate them so much...then again, in your case, there really is no making sense out of nonsense.

Last edited by Jawknee on 9/22/2011 9:25:00 AM

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___________
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:47:00 AM

i could say the same thing about the ps3.
fact remains ive been through 2 within the past 2 years, and im STILL on my RE5 launch unit 360!
O, thats not counting the time $ony screwed up the checksum in one of their FWs and i had to send it into them to fix it since everytime i turned the system on it would ask me to press the ps button to turn the controller on, i would do so, then it would search for the FW on the HDD and reset.
rinse and repeat i could not get out of that process because they had the wrong checksum in the FW.
so thanks to that botched FW i was without my ps3 for 6 weeks!

how were they making up BS?
all i read was quotes of the tweets $ony had sent.
WTFs wrong with that!?

as for the TOS, no you dont have to agree to it but thats not the point.
the point is PSN is a advertised feature so there saying you either loose a feature you bought the console for or you loose your legal right.
$onys lack of customer service never ceases to disgust me!
i mean come on, clearly they dont give a royal sh*t about their fans if there willing to do this to them!

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Jawknee
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:55:27 AM

You need help.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:12:14 AM

I think "_______" needs to give up on gaming, and take up crochet as a hobby.

That way, the only disappointment he'll have is from himself.

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D1g1tal5torm
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:12:21 AM

Yes you can send a letter saying you want to opt out - but you still have to agree to get online.

There's the rub.

What's also weird is how the pertinient section related to the forfeit of rights in the new TOS was Caps lock'd.

I did send Ben/psxe the links to the sources for the issues stated above - but no cascading.

Hopefully, we'll get something restrospectively.

Last edited by D1g1tal5torm on 9/22/2011 10:19:15 AM

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Highlander
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 11:09:42 AM

No offense Anonymous Cowherd, but God has nothing to do with my or your legal rights. 'Legal rights' are not granted by God, they are granted by the superior authority - aka government, not God.

Oh, and if you knew jack crap about legal rights in any contract, you'd know that those rights are granted by the terms of the contract that you agree to. If you don't agree with the terms and rights, don't agree to the contract. In fact, you are the one giving rights when you agree to a contract, it has nothing to do with God, and only if the contract is considered to be illegal by a court of law (secular law) will those rights you give to someone else be terminated.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 4:35:53 PM

I have never "spammed" news in five years. Never. And nobody is attacking sites for reporting the news; it's mentioning that gamers and journalists overreacted in supposing it was another hack or particularly heinous occurrence.

If you ever actually read a single word of anything that's written, and your brain freakin' functioned normally, you'd get this.

God, I'm getting sick of you. You're just crazy.

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BIGRED15
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 6:41:51 PM

@ Ben.
FINISH HIM!!!

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Underdog15
Friday, September 23, 2011 @ 8:47:54 AM

A stupid is a stupid does, as momma always used to say.

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frylock25
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 4:27:04 AM
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i got home from work and tried to log on and i couldnt. did a network test and it was the psn. i tried to play from dust but ended up being to tired so i went to sleep and when i woke up the network was working fine. i had thoughts of something happening again but didnt really believe it did. either way some people are stupid and want to bash sony for anything/everything they do.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 5:05:13 AM

From Dust looks to be a really nice game! Lovely demo.

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TrophyHunter
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:06:58 AM
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I just use PSN to update my trophies information so another down doesn't affect me.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:12:34 AM
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Yaaawwwwnn....it was down? Didn't even know.

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Deleted User
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:19:59 AM
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I sometimes think the reason people have massive backlogs is because little kids who somehow got their hands on "random M-rated game" spend more time with online gabfests over innocuous sensationalism than actually playing the game.

It's funny to see some 13 year-old get his copy of an AAA game, play it for 10 minutes and then run over to his PC to gab about it with others like him for 10 hours.

I only visited IGN, who slapped it on their front page of their PS3 site.

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Underdog15
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:30:48 AM
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Never noticed it down. lol

Yeah, definitely blown out of proportion. If I was able to unintentionally find other things to do than be on PS3 during the downtime, there's no reason everyone else in the world couldn't have purposefully looked for something else to do... even if that means gaming *gasp* offline.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:37:41 AM

I believe much of the "problem here was that the error message was so cryptic... Something along the lines of "your account is outdated" or something weird like that (can't recall exactly).

It got me worried, I'll admit that.

Last edited by Beamboom on 9/22/2011 8:38:03 AM

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Zorigo
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 8:39:18 AM
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The psn was down yesterday? oh. news to me.

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:11:29 AM

Geez, don't *any* of you guys use your machines anymore?! :D

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Jawknee
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:31:58 AM

Not everyone plays games online.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9:44:44 AM

@Beamboom

I do, I was playing FF7 during downtime, I was going to play Magic The Gathering 2012, but wasn't up for it yet.

Last edited by Clamedeus on 9/22/2011 9:45:11 AM

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Beamboom
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:43:41 AM

@Jawk: Neither did I yesterday, but I still had no problem discovering psn was down. The ps3 logs on psn whenever you turn on the machine? All it takes is an attempt to check out the store, or check out who of your friends are online...

Last edited by Beamboom on 9/22/2011 10:44:23 AM

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Fane1024
Friday, September 23, 2011 @ 4:08:48 AM

I was on PSN that day (like every day) and didn't experience *any* outage. I did see that none of my friends was online, which is anomalous, but all I experienced was trouble staying logged-in.

Oh, and not everyone has their PS3 set to auto-login to PSN.

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DeadReaper
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:36:07 AM
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The PSN was actually shutdown? I thought it was my wireless acting up (as it does sometimes). Couldnt sign in before I went to work last night, came home this morning and everything was fine. How out of the loop am I?

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VampDeLeon
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:52:40 AM
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Must have been a slow news day for every site

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coverton341
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 12:45:03 PM
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I heard that the downtime was orchestrated by an elite terrorist hacker organisation bent on crippling the global economy and that Sony did not do enough to protect their network and now the downfall of western society lies squarely on their company.

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sha4dowknight05
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 2:02:57 PM
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didn't even know it was down

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