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Is Online Multiplayer Too Immature For Older Gamers?

I wouldn't play online much if it weren't for my job. However, sometimes I wonder why.

Although I still prefer a single-player adventure to any online multiplayer experience, I've had plenty of fun playing online with others. There have been plenty of games that are absolutely unbelievable online, and I keep thinking I'd return to those games if it weren't for an embarrassing trait:

The immaturity of online players. I've written about this before, but I keep thinking it'll get better. It actually doesn't seem to get any better; if anything, it keeps getting worse. It's not necessarily a matter of name-calling or flat-out racism and sexism, it just seems as if younger and younger players are playing online. Now, maybe younger gamers seem more immature with each passing day because I'm getting older, or they're actually less mature than my friends and I were at that age. That doesn't sound right, though.

Then again, it could be the lure of anonymity combined with the fact that parents aren't being parents, and a ton of 9-year-olds are playing Call of Duty. I do hear higher-pitched male voices in great abundance when playing online and I've resorted to simply muting everyone. I just can't listen to the rampant stupidity anymore. At first, it's amusing. Then it gets annoying. Finally, it ends up being depressing and downright embarrassing. If any anti-game activist wanted extra ammunition, all they needed to do is record the audio from a particularly nasty online session, and we'd be set back decades.

In that way, it almost seems as if we're regressing. It seems as if mature, older gamers don't play online as often as younger gamers, and I think I know why. I just can't understand why things keep going downhill in terms of online behavior.

Tags: multiplayer, gaming culture, online multiplayer

10/9/2011 9:29:02 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (94 posts)

Quincho
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 9:53:29 PM
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and thank god for the mute button! haha thats what I always say when this things happend to me... its supposed to be a game, so why are they insulting others! just have fun!

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maxpontiac
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 10:37:18 PM

The mute button is your friend.

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AcHiLLiA
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:14:42 PM

It sucks that some games I play online don't have one of those VOIP volume for people on the mics. Way quicker than just muting people one by one.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 9:58:40 PM
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Not to mention the fact that those kids kicking my old ass around the map doesn't make me feel very good.

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AcHiLLiA
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:10:42 PM

When people don't play online for a while they tend to lose their rythem but of course they can gain it back.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 1:24:13 AM

Alexander do have a good point there. There is a certain "rhythm" required to succeed in online play, that is lost again when you don't play for a while.

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supercham
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 10:05:30 PM
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Well it must be tame to what you hear on xboxlive everyone has a mic!! Thats why I use party chat on there. Btw just got a ps3 the other day and orded the uncharted double pack. Will i be able to finish them both before uncharted 3 comes out?

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Gone
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 10:14:20 PM

Yes, you should be able to finish both UC1 and UC2 before UC3 comes out. It took me about 3 days (about 3 hours a day of play) to finish each game using the strategy guide (helps with finding all of the treasures).

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swapnilgyani
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 10:40:49 PM

Regardless of the type of gamer you are, you should still be able to finish both before U3 hits.

I love exploring every inch of the world, and avoid using online guides in my first playthrough. It took me roughly a week each (a couple hours a day) to finish both games once.

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maxpontiac
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 10:35:14 PM
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As long as I play well against the younger generation of gamers, this 38 year old will keep playing. My main online tactic is to "out-think" them, because most of them can be easily defeated by being a smart player.

I look forward to MW3, and the hive of children I will face.

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:54:25 PM

Not in CoD though. I get my booty whooped by 9yr olds everytime I play CoD (once every two months).

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 1:26:26 AM

That's your problem right there, Killa. Once every two months just isn't often enough.

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maxpontiac
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:24:44 AM

Beamboom is right, at least for me. If I stop playing that game for any length of time, my reactions are slower and my aim is off.

Killa - I can't win running around like a mad man. I have to move from cover to cover, pick my shots when they are kills, and use surprise as my ally. If you are like me, try that next time out. You might be surprised.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:38:55 PM

Yeah me too, Max. It's almost back to square one.

In my opinion MP isn't really that fun until you get to the level where you know the maps reasonably well and know the controls by instinct so you can use your focus to think ahead instead of only the immediate surroundings and events.

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Raze22
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 10:35:28 PM
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"I do hear higher-pitched male voices in great abundance"

My voice stopped getting deeper after middle school (20 years old now). If you here any little squeals of joy then it is definitely me. lol just kidding, but seriously...

Nice choice of words for the 4th paragraphs last sentence. Anyways, you not only see this in video games Ben. But internet in GENERAL! Anywhere you go. So don't let online multiplayer take the blame.

When it comes to different generations I feel the older ones are always going to feel the younger ones where less immature than theirs. It seems like a cycle. I also think the fact that the internet is still a young technology itself which started with the 90's generation and not that much older people are going to get into it to mature things up. Your only going to get younger and younger ones until those ducklings get older. So I think you have at least a 10 year to 20 wait for it finally to become bearable for you.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:01:47 PM

I'm aware that the Internet on the whole is mostly to blame.

But I really think younger kids are getting online with games they shouldn't be playing in the first place.

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Highlander
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:13:15 PM

The internet in general and the problem of immature negativity, hate, ignorance and willful stupidity directly connected to an electronic mouth is precisely what made me come up with that wonderful concept of The Eye of Moron. In online multiplayer games, it's more "The Voice of Moron", or perhaps the voice of "The Eye of Moron"...

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:56:35 PM

It's only going to get worse because the 9yr old kids of today will have their own and buy them Ps3 and etc and etc so yea...

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:42:09 AM

Very true, Ben. I know I've told this story before, so I'll keep it shorter. My wife works at an elementary school as an educational assistant (working 1-on-1 with kids with developmental disabilities). She's seen 6 year olds (classrooms are integrated with developmental disabilities and kids without disabilities) drawing pictures of chopper gunners, etc. inspired by CoD... she's seen the same ages trading games with friends. She said she saw a couple of grade 1'ers trading 360 versions of Black Ops and Splatterhouse.

Note... I said 360 versions. So you know those kids also own mics.

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swapnilgyani
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 10:36:14 PM
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The point and shoot mechanic has an obvious draw for early teenagers. Afterall, your reflexes at that age are pretty awesome, which happens to be an essential quality for that type of gameplay.

We have discussed the 'why are they so rude' question before over here - lack of any substantial parenting, the desire for instant gratification, and so on.

How do we fix that? Well, there really isn't an instant fix for this. Try being a great parent yourself, to ensure that there will still be sane online gamers in future generations!

There are a few things that could help reduce the stress in the short term though:

Firstly, the multiplayer component of games should be made so it requires more skill than just lightening reflexes. The amount of obscenity I've heard / read on games like LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo, Demon's Souls or even Assassin's Creed is far less than the Killzone, Call of Duty and Uncharted.

Secondly, every game should allow me to create a permanent lobby with moderator rights, where I can boot anybody's ass out of it whenever I see fit. Overtime, players will recognize the decent lobbies to play in.

Thirdly, I'm just wondering if online games really need the chat feature? What value does it bring to the gameplay? I can understand the value it brings to a game like MAG, but not all games require verbal commands, do they? It is a much better experience when you put everybody on mute, isn't it? So...why have that feature in the first place?

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AcHiLLiA
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:18:40 PM

I agree. I don't like hearing other people unless If I had my own mic on.

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BIGRED15
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:20:33 PM

Well chat is especially important when u use it effectively. If u just use it to smack talk, u are helping no one. I have a group of friends I know very well and just don't live close enough to each other for LAN party style game nights. It makes a squad so much more effective. easier to coordinate, give heads up commands and tips, play better as a unit than u can w/ out.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:01:54 AM

"I'm just wondering if online games really need the chat feature?"

You can mute anyone you want dude... I mean, look at Uncharted 3, all you need to do is go to your PSN, press X, and go to "Mute All". Having the chat function there does not hurt 1 bit. Not 1 bit. Plus, it adds to the expirience, you might not need it because whatever reason, but others do for whatever reason. My personal reason is because I only hit the online portion of the game if I am playing with a friend.

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Highlander
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:11:14 PM
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Ben, it's a vicious circle, and you just stated the reason why it's getting worse in your own statement;

"It seems as if mature, older gamers don't play online as often as younger gamers, and I think I know why. I just can't understand why things keep going downhill in terms of online behavior."

As the number of immature younger gamers grows and their shrill, high pitched voices grate on your ears with their inane and obscene chatter, you resort to muting everyone, eventually it's just not so much fun to play in silence, and you start playing online less. Imaging that happening across the entire gaming population. Every time an older, more mature gamer leaves the online population the concentration of immature ones increases. that simply drives mature gamers away even faster...and so on, and so forth. It can't not get worse, it's unavoidable.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:27:34 PM

Well, that's logical. I don't really feel like I'm playing with people much anymore with everyone muted. So the appeal diminishes. And if a lot of older gamers are doing that, all we'll really here are the childish idiots.

Makes perfect sense. ...still depressing. ;)

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Excelsior1
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:21:15 PM
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this is barely an issue on psn since hardly anybody even uses a mic. there is always the mute button for the isolated cases. anyways, i think online sessions are way more fun and lively when people use a mic. plus it gives you a tactical advantage. i have learned a lot things from my fellow gamers. it's not nearly as bad out there on psn so i must ask has ben been sneaking in a bunch sessions on xbox live(uh oh)? i'm only kidding.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:54:40 PM

I have a mic but I usually just use it when playing with people I actually know. And that's the thing for me: I play online mostly with people I know.

I don't play online a lot. FPS games are all the rage and I'm just not good at them, even if I have to partially blame my motion sickness for that. The only game I actually spent a considerable amount of time in playing online is Uncharted 2's co-op mode.

Speaking of Uncharted, anybody up for some co-op multiplayer in UC3 once it comes out? It would be fun to play UC3 with some folks from here. And I won't mind using my mic with you, too. I would have to finish the SP campaign first though.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:33:48 AM

No idea when's the last time you were on the PSN, but that isn't true at all.

MOST people have mics when I'm online. This isn't 2007.

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Excelsior1
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:43:35 AM

thank god i wasn't online gaming on psn in 2007 then. i actually play kz3 almost daily. i can't tell you how many times i quit out of matches searching for players with mics. i consider it a good match if i can find 1-2 other people talking that are on my team, it's even worse on the crysis 2 mp. out of the 4-5 hrs i was on the bf3 beta i ran into 1 freaking person with a mic so don't tell me most people use a mic. i'd make a real bet that well over half of psn users don't use a mic and that is being conservative.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 6:21:01 AM

I think it also depends on the game, Excel. Games that have a solo-focus, even if the game mode is called "team <something>", most users seem to have shut off their mic. Like Crysis 2 as you mention, that game is almost a given egocentric game with that Godlike suit and stealth manoeuvres (lovely mp game btw).
I too experienced very few with mic on kz3 but I did not play kz3 mp much at all to have any real opinion about it.

On the other side of the scale I have to put Burnout Paradise as the most social public game I've ever played on the ps3. And there I'd say at least 60-70% of the players - maybe even higher - used a mic. It really was the most common thing to do.

But do you still play Crysis 2 mp? Cause I wanna get back to that game, would be fun to meet other psxers there. Do I even have you on my psn friends list?


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Excelsior1
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 7:44:52 AM

i only have one other psxexterme member on my friends list. that is sunspider. ofcourse i would be happy to add you to my friends list. my psn id is jamiecolts.

anyways, you bring up interesting points about the types of games and overall headset use. i still think the overall use of mics on psn is low however. fire up kz3 or crysis2 and i'd estimate no more than 10-20% are using a mic on average. the bf3 beta mic count is extremely low. no way is the statement that most people on psn use mics even remotely accurate. in fact it's almost the exact opposite from my experience.

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 7:49:32 AM

You forgot we are PSN friends, Excelsior. LOL

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Excelsior1
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 8:32:46 AM

sorry zetta. okay i am proud to say i have 2 psxexteme psn friends.

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Excelsior1
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 8:47:06 AM

oops i forgot about dancemachine as well so that is 3 psxexteme friends. sorry i forgot about you guys..

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 9:26:13 AM

I was actually just joking with that. Besides, I cannot blame you for actually forgetting. We're yet to play any online game together. Maybe we can try changing that when Uncharted 3 comes out this November. I have a mic but you have to be warned that English is not my first language. Hahahaha!!

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SoulController
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 9:34:31 AM

Exclelsoir

I thought we were psn friends. Do you have another account. Friend me @ Soulcontroller.

Zetta, you can get early access to the U3 mp from subway. It'll transfer your level & everything once the retail copy releases add me

I use to clown the pre teen crowd on COD4 for their high pitch voices & racist rants but quickly realized, I'm just stooping to their level. It's one of the main reasons ill never pick up another COD game ever

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:19:14 AM

Hey Soul, I am aware of that. The thing is, I am not in the US and the Subway restaurants over here do no have the same promotion.

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slugga_status
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:19:46 AM

Agree with Excelsior..it's 2011 and there are people who still don't have mics at all. Then some that do don't even turn it on. I begin games w/o my mic on for the simple fact most people either don't use it or don't have one. When I hear somebody ask if somebody has a mic, then I jump on it. Or if I'm playing a team based game it HAS to be on

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Excelsior1
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:53:51 AM

i sent you a friend request soulcontoller. i remeber you now so i forgot another. oops. i don't what happend. i may have accidently deleted you.

@slugga

i absolutely agree with that sentiment. i always go in with my mic on though hoping somebody else is out there. so many times there is nobody :(.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:18:52 PM

Guys, remember that it may be a language thing too. I *hate* speaking english to native english speaking gamers. To stutter in english with others who stutter just as much as me is only fun, but whenever native english people turns up on servers I go silent.

I'll add you when I'm on the ps3 next, Excel. I'm Beamboom on psn too.

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 6:23:10 PM

Beamboom, we should play one of these days and stutter at the same time. Haha!

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Beamboom
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 7:26:28 AM

@Zetta: lol - deal! :) Your psn id is the same?

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:47:48 AM

I'm good with non-native English speakers! My mom-in-law is an "English as a Second Language" teacher... so we regularly have family dinners with a new immigrant family over to visit.

Feel free to add me. I don't judge, am patient, and am smart enough to figure out what you are trying to say if you can't quite get the right word.

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:21:53 PM

@Beamboom: We're already PSN friends. I'm HardCorrFan in there. The PSN did not let me register as ZettaiSeigi.

@Underdog15: What's your PSN ID? It'll be great playing with you one of these days.

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playSTATION
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 11:45:56 PM
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thank god for the mute button

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Jawknee
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 1:17:05 AM

Indeed.

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saini
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:45:01 AM
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well i never had any bad experience online myself, had a few rundowns in MW2,i stopped playing that after i BFBC1 but i got to say the only game where i see people talk too much is killzone3 but they are mostly clan members and talk about how go about winning the game... i love it when i'm in one of those team then u can hear them speak like"everyone rush through the middle throwing a motar beacon", and i hate it when i'm on the other team as we get slaughtered... LOL

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Excelsior1
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 1:09:48 AM

i love it when i'm on one of those teams then u can hear them speak "rush through the middle throwing a mortar beacon." well said saini. i love being on one of those teams as well. i have to say some of my biggest thrills this gen have been when i'm in a clan using headsets going against an evenly matched opponent. it's quite an adrenilane rush.

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Gabriel013
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:56:37 AM
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Last game I played online was Space Marine and in the several hours I've clocked up, I only had 1 gamer who seemed to be peed off no matter whether the team won or lost. Every 2nd word would be an enraged "F*ck!!" with the a smattering of growls and "Stupid F*cking F*ck!"

That got a bit tiring after a while.

My main reason for not gaming online is that I find it boring. it's pointless. Maybe something co-op related with a story would be good but an endless cycle of Spawn Shoot Kill Die just doesn't appeal to me.

I'm sure there are some who like to test their reaction times against other people but to me it's just an endless cycle of boring. Don't get me started on Perk unlocks either.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 4:46:24 AM

Make a deal with a real life friend of yours to buy the same storyline coop game and agree on playing through the entire game the two of you.
That should be the perfect introduction to online gaming. Storyline coop, where the entire campaign is played in coop, is my by far favourite online gaming. I dare guarantee that you will enjoy it a lot if the two of you go along fine.

There are several games where the entire story can be played in coop. Amongst the better ones are Fear 3, Dead island, Borderlands, World At War, Resistance 3, Portal 2...
And, of course, the king of everything coop: Saints Row. The third is coming up this november.

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 1:52:59 AM
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I really want to stress the following for all of you that is relatively new to online gaming:
To play with friends and to play with random strangers are two different worlds of playing. It's next to incomparable.

When I say "friends" I do not mean real life friends. I mean people you got to know while playing online. You may know very little about their location, age, profession, that stuff: It doesn't matter as long as they are good guys.

Burnout Paradise had a *perfect* online coop system. The host could open up one and one new slot for players to join, and kick players that did not fit the current group. After a short while you end up with a good group of 5-8 players who could play for hours straight and have a really, really good time.

So what I want to say to you all is: You have not really gotten to know online gaming until you've played a good game with a group of people you like. That is next to unbeatable. I *still* have fond memories of the fantastic Paradise sessions.

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Axe99
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 3:22:00 PM

This is a _huge_ point - I play online a lot, but I play online very rarely if it's not with mates in a similar mindset. Having a good clan/group of players to game with makes all the difference. You can find good groups of randoms (usually if you happen across a chunk of mature clan people from somewhere else, as happened to me in SOCOM the other night), but it's very hit-and-miss, but play with mates and it's a _lot_ of fun :).

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Kall555
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 2:13:59 AM
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I've really gone off online multiplayer these days now to be honest, it gets just a little tedious when some 13 year old git with a lisp tells you to lick his balls for the 13th time.

The only online gaming i do is with fighters such as VF5, DOA4, Tekken 6, SCIV etc mainly because i fight with mates that i know & we don't take it too seriously. If i win, great! Bragging rights bitch! If i lose, big whoop it's all fun.

Where as if i play against some dude i don't know online called "Darklord666" & win a fight i get called a juggle spammer & if i lose a game i get called a newbie scrub.

That's all very cute & adorable to start with but when it comes to a point where you can't enjoy your victory or even a close defeat in a fight than the pointless butthurt banter just kills the whole idea of having fun in an online game.

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Clamedeus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 4:27:46 AM

'Darklord666' I played against that guy before. Me and my friends demolished him. He gave us crap as well. Calling some of us campers when we rushed the crap out of him and pushing him out of his spawn and going back on the other side of the map and keep doing it.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:05:25 AM

One of the those overrated names.

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Clamedeus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 7:02:27 PM

Indeed.

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___________
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 3:07:15 AM
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thats why god invented a mute button!
i dont enjoy it though because of LAG, and also the inconsistancy of it.
the BF3 beta last night for some reason, ever since i started playing it i can empty a full clip into someone there fine then they fire 1 pistol bullet into me and im dead.
WTF!?
for example a enemy was crouching down arming a MCOM station, so i filled his back with 4 sniper shots.
then he gets up turns around and fires 1 pistol bullet into me and im dead.
WTF!?
im taking cover behind a door, a enemy comes sprinting in i fill his back with 2 shotgun shells hes fine.
he turns around shoots me once with his pistol and im dead.
again, WTF!?
yea, that pretty much explains why i dont play games online.
if i wanted to run around shooting rubber while everyone else is shooting bullets theres a great new shooting range open up down town.
;)

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Highlander
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 3:20:14 AM

Ah network Lag, who I love thee....

That's one of the inherent difficulties with real time control in online games. Lag. No matter how hard game makers work to avoid it, it's inherent in the technology. If you are playing against folks on another continent, or in another country, you have to add several router hops just because of that. Ever hop adds a little lag. Even within a larger country, like the US, there is plenty of potential for lag thanks to many, many ISPs and many, many additional hops. Lag sucks, but lag is going nowhere.

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Clamedeus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 4:24:43 AM

Indeed Highlander, I wish the lag would go away, I would be happy. lol But I know it's not going anywhere. :/

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 7:35:04 AM

At least it's much, much better than it used to be. Just try to play on servers close to you, as Highlander explained. Most MP games have a "ping reply meter" of some sort.

But I remember back in the days of playing Quake multiplayer on the 28.8 modem. That was a seriously thick coating of lag: Players appearing out of nowhere, I got shot by persons I did not even see, people seemingly stuck on an "eternal running loop" facing a wall for long periods before disappearing and popping up on the other side of the map.

*That* was lag alright. What you experience today is *nothing*, kids. ;)

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___________
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 9:56:01 AM

turns out for the BF3 beta i was getting such bad LAG because theres a bug in the SLI profile.
i coincidentally turned SLI off today, loaded up the beta and it ran at a silky smooth 60FPS!
every other game though, well thats a different story.
oh no, try playing the BF3 beta @ 5FPS!
now thats LAG!
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i always try play on servers closest to me but thats not always possible.
one thing i hope DICE fix by retail release is exactly that, the ping meter.
for some reason it was not displayed in the beta.
hopefully they fix the SLI profile problems too.
funny, the beta driver was released just for BF3 and nvidia still f*cked it up!
no wonder their full releases have more holes then swiss cheese after jerry the mouse has gotten to it!

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:42:23 AM

Lag is the number one most annoying thing. Completely messes up PvP in Demons/Dark Souls.

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BikerSaint
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 3:46:38 AM
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I've been way too busy doing some major collecting the last few weeks to come in to read or comment on anything lately, but I will stop back later to give my view in this thread.
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BikerSaint
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 12:44:03 AM

OK Ben , I say yes, sort of.....

I'm about to reach 59 in another 20 days or so and I've already heard a few a**hole with a whole lot of immaturity, racism, vulgarisms, & just plain trash talking, of all ages, both younger & older.

And up to now I haven't MP'ed much, just basically a whole lot of hours in KZ3 so far getting my MP n00bie feet wet, so I can't really vouch for all the other games.
But 98% of the time that I've been in KZ3 MP, the gamers were all about the game & not about the smack-talk.

But from what I've seen and heard so far, I think the biggest cause of the problems in MP mode are for the most part because of the parent's.

Either they have a severe lack of parenting skills, or they just don't care enough, and only use the console as their very own personal super-nanny.
And we know that most of those parents have put the console in their child's bedroom in order not to disturb their parent's own activities or moments of solitude. And almost all have 360's due to the cheapness of them. And they all come with FREE headsets.

So, what happens after they've put that kid, & a console, & a free mic, all together in his very own bedroom with the door closed, completely unsupervised.....BINGO!

Last week when I was in gamestop, a mom was buying her 7 or 8 year old, COD Black Ops.

I asked her, you DO know that's rated mature & unsuitable for kids that young?
Her reply was, Oh, that's OK, I'll be jhome while he's playing.
My last reply back... Regardless, the storyline is not for young kids.....and Yeah right, like you REALLY ARE going to stand behind him the whole time & constantly monitor his playtime.

Yeah, I could see another 360 Super-Nannie thanks to another human shell who's lacking in the basic parental department.


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Godslim
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 4:13:35 AM
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it is funny to hear a child insult u over the internet :)
i remember a kid insulting me he sounded really young and i just asked him "hey how are old r u 12?!" and he replyed "nahhhh im 13!!" in a really rude chavy voice we all laughed :D

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 5:41:19 AM

lol!

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:51:26 AM

I had a funny thing like that once too... But admittedly, I was really mean.

An older guy, probably in 20's, was cursing and swearing and everything in between at me and my friends. I would have muted him, but I couldn't resist.

I went on a short verbal rant telling him it's time to get a real job. I said that I know his father was probably abusive or his mother was likely emotionally unavailable or both, but that's no reason to take his frustration for dropping out of high school out on us. Then I asked him, "What's the matter... still haven't gotten around to getting your GED and off of welfare?"

His response... was .... delayed... then he said... "Shut the **** up!"

Oh we laughed and laughed......




Wow... I'm kind of a jerk....

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 5:20:41 AM
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I have to admit I don't take online play seriously. I like mucking around on games, my main weapons on Metal Gear Online are the Box and the Magazine... I just don't like playing with people who play it TOO seriously, campers or people whose lives depend on headshots. When I play a game online I like to have fun, not KILLKILLKILL.

My flatmate who plays CoD is serious about it and he always whines when he is on the losing team "MY KILL TO DAETH RATIO!" I just sit beside him and giggle because If I worried about that on my games I would have had a stroke.

But I can accept gamers just wanting to have fun. going out of their way to insult people though is wrong. The ammount of vulgar language heard upon headsets is quite concerning. My friend is doing his dissertation on modern culture and is writing about how he thinks under 18's access to online gaming/communication is far more hazardous to young'uns than playing an 18+ game like GTA and from what I have seen online, I agree with him.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 6:54:23 AM
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I'm not really an older gamer (im 22), but i did grow up with everything from an NES onward and i dont like to play online for a few reasons, a large one of which is the rampant immaturity. I also dont like playing the same dozen maps over and over again, it gets very tedious. My friends and i never have free time simultaneously so we rarely get to play with each other, and i find most online-centric games are the same thing in different clothes.

The only game i actually played online seriously was KZ2, and thats because it was incredible.

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Palmetto
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 7:45:32 AM
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I would have been done of online gaming long ago if I hadn't joined a group of "semi" mature gamers. There are dozens of sites out there that are free to join and will fit your online gaming needs. Because simply put, I would rather stick a fork in my eye than game with the general population and all the drama that goes with it!

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Beamboom
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 1:08:27 PM

You speak the truth.
Becoming a part of a good group/clan/guild elevates the online gaming to another level.


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slugga_status
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 8:25:56 AM
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I don't believe Online MP is too immature for us older gamers. To be honest the younger kids dont bother me. In fact, most younger kids I've played with want to be your friend or talk about the game itself. Actually I'm quite impressed with some of the younger generation of gamers. Then you have kids so worried about getting kills and talking trash that they lose the game. Nothing better than to let a kid talk trash to me and I reply "That's nice, but you still lost."

Trash talking is ok with me..It just gets ridiculous when the racism begins. Now the kids don't do this, it's mainly the older gamers. Too many games I've played where I get called a n****r before the match starts..too many times it's happened after me and my friends win..It's just ridiculous, I'd be the only African American out my friends but people are so ignorant they call us all n****rs..

It's not the kids..it's the immature adults who need to get their heads out their a$$. Bottom line, I'm not going to let anybody ruin my gaming for me.

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maxpontiac
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:26:50 AM

Actually, it's the parents of the kids who behave like that. Yes, I am talking about the 40 year old ones who still live with mom and dad.

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slugga_status
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:03:54 AM

That has a lot to do with it as well

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 9:15:13 AM
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It's why i prefer different online experiences such as Dark Souls. It's bizarre, new, unique and enigmatic. I don't know that other player, i can't hear him and i can't talk to him.

If i do want to communicate, an online RPG ala WKC is the way for me. Or a co-op game with someone i know.
You won't catch me talking to a bunch of strangers on a FPS....unless it's an old school romp like the brilliant Duke Nukem Forever multiplayer, then i can pretend it's the 90s again.

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cali2583
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:08:13 AM
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I use the PS3 stereo headset and it has a nice slider to turn off all voice chat. Also it depends on what games you are playing. If you play MAG you don't hear the little 9 year olds swearing up a storm because the game is too sophisticated for them. It's hard for them to play TEAM games where you actually have to communicate with your squad, instead of spewing profanities at minorities. I also wonder if it is a difference between PS3 and 360. More mature people use the PS3 because they understand the value of money. The PS3 is $250 straight up. The 360 is 200-250 with an extra $40-60 a year to play online. The kids don't care about that because mommy and daddy are paying for it. If you bought the 360 on launch you have paid close to $700 for it over the lifetime if youve had XBL the whole time, and thats without games. Also you dont see too many kids with a mic on PS3 because its too damn hard for them to figure out how to pair the headset. The xbox comes with a headset and plugs right into the controller.

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BikerSaint
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:57:13 PM

And let's not forget that a "FREE" mic comes with every 360, so everybody from the age of 3 on up, has one.

Thank goodness our mic's are an additional paid option with the PS3.

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wackazoa
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:18:39 AM
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Nothing beats the thrill of getting cussed out and beat by a person who sounds like a female, only to find out it is indeed a 9-11 year old kid. And he's laughing.. at YOU !!


Damn kids...

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mousekiks
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:57:45 PM
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I just mute everyone. There should be a mute all option set to default.

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saini
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 1:48:42 PM
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guys add me on psn my id is saini14 would love to play BF3 killzone3 & others.... beamboom i added u so u should have a friend request from me

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saini
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 2:08:09 PM
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guys dont u think playing the game without mics gives more satisfaction whem u win... & knowing that we won cause the team performed well... last week on BF3 beta 8 of us were against 12 but we still won we ran pretty close to using up our tickets, our team had more points but had less kills & more death.....& this guy playing medic was there all the time.... it was funny at times & felt like it is a bug or something u would go down & would be revived within second s

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Snorge
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 4:01:23 PM
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Do we need to start a PSXEXTREME PSN exchange thread in the forums? I have no problem playing games with folks from PSXE. I have one rule/issue. Anybody who wants to be a friend MUST have a mic. I can't stand playing with people with no mic...might as well play with the AI. I'll go first then (even though this isn't the forums, lol)

PSN: Snorge
XBL: Snorge

PS3 Preferred games: Killzone 3, Resistance 3, LittleBigPlanet 2, Uncharted 2/3 beta, MAG, Red Dead Redemption, and Metal Gear Online

360 Preferred games: Halo Reach & Gears of War 3

*Sorry, not much of a COD fan*

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Deleted User
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 5:20:26 PM
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I have never cared much for online gaming, perhaps due to all the little kids or the immature adults I might run into. Even on PS3, I just have no desire. Online just isn't for me. Maybe I'll play the occasional non-FPS like Street Fighter or an old arcade classic but nothing more. Not like I'm missing much.

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Douchebaguette
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 6:12:30 PM
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Depends on what game it is and depends on the tolerance of said older gamers.

I for one am not too old and I find games like Shogun 2: Total War a pretty interesting break from all the usual hectic online Beat 'em Ups and Shooters. Though even with games like Total War, you'll still find it's own variation of spam =[.

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saini
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 6:24:08 PM
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@snorge mate i have a mic but i'm not sure if it works alright last time i used it was with socom confertation.... i'll send u a request so it'll be up to u if u want to add me

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sha4dowknight05
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 7:32:05 PM
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Yeah as far as I know it's mainly kids who think they are though Sh** on Call of Duty games.

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Spanky
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 7:52:43 AM
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I tried Madden once a couple years back...first game kid destroyed , by playing very non-conventially(sp) and then questioned my man-hood, and video game prowess. I've been playing Madden since 94. Never went back.

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Confessed4Life
Thursday, October 13, 2011 @ 11:30:06 AM
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Honestly that is one of the main reasons why I hate online mp. I can not stand playing with immature people that shouldn't even be playing in the first place. A little trash talk is normal(and can be fun) but with the crap these kids are doing now its despicable and embarrassing. I dont have the time to be playing constantly either so of course im going to be behind in skill level, thats what happens when im a mother of a 2 year old.) Since I cant play with that kind of skill, since i really have no time to practice, I would like to play with people that can show maturity and just have fun with the game. People with schedules would work great too since then everyone will understand that people cant always be on. I would love to give online MP a shot but I can only do that with true respectful gamers. I can take some trashtalk/cussing, I do love being competitive and will gladly get a mic for my ps3 but i dunno if its worth it becuase I dont really know any gamers like that =/

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Cravit8
Thursday, October 13, 2011 @ 3:26:03 PM
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Hey, let me throw this out there.
What about the idea of some sort of incentive attached to a simple rating system.

If I were to list specifics, you all would probably think it was impractical, but I firmly believe the end result COULD be that older/mature players were matched up with the like more.

It would be nice if there was a way to rate players like this:
1) Always preferred/never match with again
2) good tactics / good twitch-shooter
3) mature / immature.

Lets say at the end (or the menu screen during) a match you could rate every single player. The obvious long-term incentive would be to the mature/older players who know after a few hundred ratings, they will be matched more with those they liked.

They could also implement a incentive program, but I'm not sure how PSN could do this since they don't have a point system like xbox live.

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MrAnonymity
Thursday, October 13, 2011 @ 10:02:54 PM
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The maturity level of children has always been a turn-off for me, pretty much leading to the decision to stay away from online gaming. Well, at least that is how things were. Now I've just decided to ignore it. I have found that online gaming can be quite thoroughly enjoyable if you just omit whatever the little kiddies are saying and focus on people that actually try to have fun. I will say that I will probably never get used to hearing the words "fag" or "bitch" get used every 1.3 seconds, but whatever.

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ImaginaryTurtle
Thursday, October 13, 2011 @ 10:14:50 PM
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Only things I play online for PS3 is uncharted and DCUO because in FPS games all I can hear are kids voices going straight to my brain and I do not want to mix headaches with video games. I prefer online for xbox the majority of the players in the games I play seem older and more mature but of course I don't play Call of Duty, I just refuse. Parents do need to start enforcing the ratings of video games on their children.

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Darkus
Friday, October 14, 2011 @ 12:09:29 PM
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Hi. so glad this thread has come up, thanks Ben. Online community? I, like others, mute everyone as listening to abuse just gets boring. its a shame because i have had the odd game with strangers thats really good and i like to say well done to them after a hard match.
I think it is mostly young gamers but unfortunately not all. i have also been abused by adults (i think)that believe as i am white british, i must be christian as thats what the insults consist of. I suppose it shows that racism can be both ways.
Like Ben, i think parents have some responsibility. i have put in a previous thread that my 9 yr old son comes up moody because all his mates have COD Black Ops and he has not. whats wrong with parents? is it a generation that thinks games means children? surely the certificate on the box gives them a clue? (assuming they can read!).
I have to admit that i can swear online but its usually either at myself or because of the blinking LAG!

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Darkus
Friday, October 14, 2011 @ 12:09:30 PM
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Hi. so glad this thread has come up, thanks Ben. Online community? I, like others, mute everyone as listening to abuse just gets boring. its a shame because i have had the odd game with strangers thats really good and i like to say well done to them after a hard match.
I think it is mostly young gamers but unfortunately not all. i have also been abused by adults (i think)that believe as i am white british, i must be christian as thats what the insults consist of. I suppose it shows that racism can be both ways.
Like Ben, i think parents have some responsibility. i have put in a previous thread that my 9 yr old son comes up moody because all his mates have COD Black Ops and he has not. whats wrong with parents? is it a generation that thinks games means children? surely the certificate on the box gives them a clue? (assuming they can read!).
I have to admit that i can swear online but its usually either at myself or because of the blinking LAG!

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P_Phatz
Friday, October 14, 2011 @ 11:01:46 PM
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PS3 username: P_Phatz
360 username: P Phatz. "Yes that's a space"

Do have a mic, and mature with occasional outbursts of cursings.

Game of choice BFBC2 and BF3 when it gets here. have all the other main stream games but prefer war and tactics over all else. And some zombie slaying every now and then in dead island now that it's fixed.

First post ever here but somewhat long time reader of comments on pxe

Add me if you want.

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