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It's Time For The Inevitable GT5 vs. Forza 4 Debate

We say Gran Turismo 5 is one of the best games out there. It tied with Heavy Rain for our Game of the Year 2010 award. And for further clarification and explanation, we explained our selection and love of GT5.

We're fairly convinced it was better than Forza 3. But Forza 4 is here now, and unsurprisingly, it's pulling down super high review scores. Therefore, you can expect the inevitable: the comparisons between Turn 10's latest and Polyphony Digital's gem from late last year. No, we're not going to proclaim the continued greatness of GT5 in the face of this new competition; we haven't played Forza 4. But it'll be interesting to see how the racing buffs respond, and what the hardcore driving aficionados will conclude.

When it comes to full-scale simulation, you can always expect heated debates. That's because those who play such games are die-hard lovers of the genre in question, and they're awfully passionate about it. They'll defend their choice tooth and nail, and you can anticipate plenty of highly detailed and immensely emotional debates. But as we've often said in the past, true-blue simulators are exceedingly difficult to judge, especially if the critic reviewing the game knows little about the sport. If the game goes for realism, how can non-followers correctly analyze...?

But either way, we're just trying to prepare you: the debates and arguments will come. And the thing is, GT6 is a long ways off...

Tags: gt5, gran turismo 5, forza, forza 4, polyphony digital, turn 10

10/10/2011 9:26:22 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (112 posts)

Deleted User []
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 9:45:58 PM
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I don't know who Luke Reilly is so his 9.5 at IGN has no credibility with me. I think some of the Forza 4 reviews seem pretty fair this time around. I doubt Forza 4 will evolve over time. What you see is what you'll get. Of course, the paid off "journalists" who probably have ignored the many GT5 updates still think GT5 is some difficult to play racing game.

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5TAY3R
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 4:35:28 AM

Just finished playing forza4's season 3, i swear upon my parents gt5 is a way better playing and better looking game, how come in gave this cartoon like cars a 9.5? Even the sound effects are not accurate, pure shame

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Jawknee
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 9:53:28 PM
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Who cares. Let the childish Xbots crow. GT has always been better than Forza and it always will be.

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Deleted User
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:02:53 PM

Looks like the Xbots were lying in wait for you.

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Jawknee
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:40:58 PM

Really? How so? Those idiots have been crowing that Forza is better even before GT5 had a release date. Forza could be one of the worst racing games on the planet and they would still say it was better. My point is most of them wouldn't know quality if it slapped them in the face.

Hey, nice try though.

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StangMan80
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:45:06 PM

Explains COD, People don't know what quality is. I mean, COD has never been the best shooter. never!

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Nas Is Like
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 12:35:41 AM

^ It can be argued that Call of Duty 4 was one of, if not THE, greatest first person shooter games of all time.

Just because you say it, that doesn't quite make it so.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 3:09:39 AM

Nas, Like wise with CoD4. ;)

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:24:42 AM

Far be it from me to comment on the racing games, as I don't really enjoy straight up racers to begin with. But I did play past forza's, and I played some GT5 as well.

But as is the case with CoD... sure, quality doesn't always win, however, "fun" often does. Granted, much of CoD's fun factor is the sheer number of people that also play it.

However, I think for the -masses-, and not the hardcore racing fans, Forza seems to be more fun because of the arcade style of play. The graphics might not be as good, it might not sound as good, and it might not be as realistic...

But since when have most gamers or critics known what the heck they are looking at? All they care about is if THEY find it fun... nevermind who it is meant for or which one has the best quality.

Edit: Based on what I did play, I can totally tell that GT5 is of better quality to any past Forza. Haven't seen the new Forza, though.

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Kevin5
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:58:52 AM

Adorable rant, C+ for effort.

Out of curiosity though, have you played Forza 4 yourself? Just asking because low res Youtube videos & reviews that are evidently biased because of high scores usually aren't the best ways to base your opinion of something on. If you played it & hated it, fair enough, i'll let you off.

& whats wrong with Xbox fans crowing about Forza when PS3 fans do the same for GT?

I'd start brushing your teeth champ, you're beginning to smell like one of those fanboy trolls. & that really isn't healthy.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:47:39 AM

@Kevin5
Are you talking to me? I'm the only one that had anything even slightly long enough to be a "rant"...

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:44:14 AM

Kevin5

Go visit GTPlanet (that's Gran Turismo Planet) and you'll see the Forza fans lurking around the GT boards as if they are some virtual predator ready to pounce on anything GT5 does.

It's embarrassing, really.

Yes, I have tried Forza 4, and while it's a marked improvement over Forza 3, when it comes to driving, it is still behind GT5 in on the road feel and doesn't accurately translate the true power of a vehicle such as the Corvette ZR1.

There is a reason the Gran Turismo turns video game players into real life race car drivers with GT Academy. If that isn't enough for you, go watch some footage of Kaz himself driving and winning his class at the famed 24hrs at Nurburgring.

If I were you, I would educate yourself on the lengths Kaz and PD go to ensure that Gran Turismo lives up to it's tagline - The Real Driving Simulator.

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:09:41 AM

Underdog15,

I think he's referring to Jawknee.
Hahaha Jawknee, everybody has a different taste of games.

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rell
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:24:50 PM

nuff said.

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FM23
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 9:55:41 PM
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Hmmm....I'm not even going to lie, Forza 4 looks great especially the features,. MP and car list though night racing is non existant. But I'm fine with GT5, but when it first released...there's no lie the game was some what broken. But those updates and inclusion of seasonal events were some smart choices on PT part unlike that standard car crap. I wonder what Forza 4 rides like though...either way, I want the game based off of the car list offered...that is something GT5 will never touch, well not until some DLC is released or GT6 comes out...LIFE..lol

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:13:20 PM
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Regardless of which game is better, one thing is certain: there arent enough good racing sims out there*.


*I know there are a handful on pc, but none with a good campaign. GTR-E is great, but theres no real feeling of progress or major accomplishment.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:15:35 AM

You're right. You know what we haven't seen yet? A sandbox, free-roaming racing game, with simulation physics! That's something new in the market, and it's a genre that doesn't have as much games. I think it'd do great.

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Highlander
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:19:12 PM
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Hmm....Is Forza 4 better than GT5? Let's see....no.

Reviews of games have recently be the subject of much discussion, and to be perfectly frank, I don't trust many review sites further than I can comfortably spit a dead rat. I sure as heck am not going to take review scores at face value.

Forza4 appears to be a great game that aspires to be as good as GT. It's rather flattering that Forza strives to match or exceed the quality of GT5, since GT5 (and GT4 before it) set the mark. However, with the upcoming update to GT5, I don't see Forza exceeding GT5 in any meaningful manner. That's not to say it's rubbish or anything, but really, we're kind of getting to the point where you have two very, very good racing games that have slightly different areas of focus in what they do. They, how do you choose between them? Do you need to? They are console exclusives, so perhaps we should simply acknowledge that Forza 4 is a great racer, as is GT5, and with the exception of really unbalanced fans of either console, does it really matter? If it's too close to call, why call it?

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Qubex
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 12:44:11 AM

Well Highlander, I have been following the reviews, and have watched most of the video reviews available. To be honest it doesn't look bad at all, in fact it looks pretty good, and no shadow issues either.

Watching the handling and some crashes, I thought... not bad... looked pretty solid and I am sure the XBox crowd will enjoy it.

I am with you on the GT5 update. I think this will bump GT5 up again a fair amount and give it a new lick of paint so to speak. Simulation wise, from what I have been exposed to it; GT5 is rather good, especially with a wheel. I would have to play both Forza 4 and GT5 with a wheel to really be able to judge how they compare, but to people who have both consoles, I am sure they can tell us if they invest in Forza 4.

Anyway, from what I have seen video wise, visually Forza 4 looks good, can't complain there... but GT5 tops the cars with its premium set of car models I would have say.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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___________
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 5:46:11 AM

have you played it?
then how can you say no if you have not?
i think the best answer to which is better depends on what one wants.
if they want a sim racer thats actually fun and has other sides to it then just track racing, like the whole top gear side, the car vistas mode, the pin bowling fun on the top gear test track.
then forza would be better.
though if your looking for stale bland sim then obviously GT5 is better.
the clown, or the scientist.
the day turn 10 do a better sim then PD is the day the man moves to the sun!
but then that said, the day PD do a more fun game then turn 10 is also the day man moves to the sun!
for me forza will always be better because its actually a fun game!
its what GT 5 should of been!
its added so many features on the sim side that GT STILL does not have!
not to mention it has the light hearted fun side, when you dont want to sit there and race 100% perfectly, for when you just want to have a little fun but still be en soaked in car culture no other game gives you.
GT is like Germany, where forza is like Italy.
German cars may be more reliable, technically better.
but which ones are more beautiful?
which ones put a bigger smile on your face?
thats right, the Italian cars!
and thats why to me forza will always be the better game!
because PD will never add the fun humours side to GT, it will always be the 100% hardcore sim racer, it will always be the stern humourless German.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:31:22 AM

I wonder if blank line has a race of people he doesn't stereotype?

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:12:03 AM

Haha, I actually think blank line is quiet entertaining. We need people like him once in awhile. You may not agree to what he says, but I actually enjoy how he puts out his points. That's what I think at least lol.

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jimmyhandsome
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:25:34 AM

I still can't tell if ________ puts out these ridiculous rants to get a reaction out of people or if he actually feels that way. Either way it is entertaining.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:49:12 AM

I only ever read his last couple lines. That's all I commented on, too. The middle and beginning are always too painful to put my eyes on.

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Gordo
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:34:04 PM

In defense of "blank", I do think that GT5 has been missing some FUN.

I bought it day 1 and played it for a month, got sick of the grinding and haven't played it since.

The menus were hideous... Trying to get into the events! You need to click event/cars/menu/garage/cars/menu/event.

Why couldn't we go into an event, see the cars that you need and buy one there and then. Don't know if they have fixed that with an update but this shows the lack of usability with its structure. It just permeated the whole game.

Then the choppy shadows, little damage, no interior views for standard cars and bouncing off the walls.

The driving was top notch but just imagine if it had all the rest as well???

So good simulation but pretty sterile and unfriendly.

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Highlander
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 10:07:08 AM

Personally, I thought that the main menu and structure of the game was a let down after the way in which GT4 tied everything together in what almost amounted to a story mode. I'm not looking for a career mode where I race fr a fictional team or something. But it would be nice to see my driver rising through the ranks by attending various different racing championships at different ability levels. All that is needed is there in the game, it's just not woven together very well.

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Highlander
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 10:07:08 AM

Personally, I thought that the main menu and structure of the game was a let down after the way in which GT4 tied everything together in what almost amounted to a story mode. I'm not looking for a career mode where I race fr a fictional team or something. But it would be nice to see my driver rising through the ranks by attending various different racing championships at different ability levels. All that is needed is there in the game, it's just not woven together very well.

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playaplus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:19:36 PM
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here's me stance on this whole thing....eh....i cant really have an opinion, last GT game i played was on ps2. Barely got my 360 last year bundled w forza 3...seemed enjoyable...but one thing that irked me....and i knew this was a big forza/gt argument....the damage. I know gt has no damage and i was hoping i could turn it off on forza 3 which i couldnt....couldnt stand to see a nice car....1st place...w a dent. If I want to race and have a bashed in care...wouldnt i just get need for speed or burnout....yea I dont think I need to say that I passed on this forza...

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NoOneSpecial
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:22:55 PM
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I tried the Forza demo today, and if the final product is anything like the demo, I'm disappointed.The graphics and overall handling were not on par with gt5, and I sort of expected as much.Btw,anyone see that polyphony digital is offering the Red Bull X2 Sebastian Vettel for free?

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Clamedeus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:47:58 PM

Wait how do you get the X1? Do they just send it to you by the truck thing in the game?

I have an X1 Prototype but not the other ones.

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Clamedeus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:14:33 PM

Wait never mind I got it, it was in the Gift section.

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___________
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 5:53:46 AM

your totally missing the point of forza!
it will NEVER have better physics and graphics then GT, but thats the point!
its suppose to be a much more fun game, it was never ever going to compete with GT5, it was never suppose to.
its not as hardcore sim, turn 10 have said countless times they dont want to do a truly hardcore sim because theres a very small market for that.
they want to do a racing game that is sim, but no where near as sim as GT because not allot of people enjoy that.
they want to do a cross between NFS and GT, thats what forza 4 is suppose to be.
going into this expecting GT5 of course your going to be disappointed!

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Hynad
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:52:11 AM

@___________: No market for a pure hardcore racing sim... Yeah, right.

That must be why Forza is selling more than Gran Turismo, right?

...wait.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 7:01:16 AM

@___

Everyone has a different way of having fun, there will always be people out there who enjoy hardcore racing sims. Just because you don't, doesn't mean there isn't.

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Lotusflow3r
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:00:22 AM

I get what you're saying LineMan, but if you think there's no market for hardcore sims, check the sales figures for GT5.

GT5 is the only game of it's kind on the market, there are many racers that try to be the most fun....you know?

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___________
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:37:40 AM

i said turn 10 dont want to do that type of game because they believe theres a much smaller market for it.
i did not say thats what i think.
and of course GT is going to sell well, its freaking GT!
no matter how small or niche the genre is, its playstations best selling franchise so i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion 5 would well well.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:47:22 AM

"__________"

Are you sure you are talking about Forza? Turn 10 claims to be the ultimate simulator, when clearly it's not.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:30:18 PM
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A friend of mine who is a car enthusiast had this to say between Forza 3 and GT5 (before Forza 4 was even announced)

Forza is a great game, has very stylish menus, lots of content, but only about half the cars of GT. Not only that, but a Volkswagon (forget which model) in Forza handles nothing like in reality.

GT, on the other hand, has cluttered menus and longer loading times, but heaps more content and realistic handling of the cars. My friend tried the same Volkswagon model in GT5 and said it handled much more realistically and in much the same way that reviewers said it would.

GT5 is better for complete authenticity and realism in racing games. It also offers night time racing and alternate weather races which just looks so incredibly pretty in 1080p, something Forza does not have.

However, Forza has Jeremy Clarkson narrating this time round, an Autovista mode that lets you check out certain supercars in incredible detail, AND has better environmental graphics compared to GT5. (The cars' graphics look the same between both)
Forza also has better representation of the Top Gear track in Forza 4, and the latest and greatest supercars and sports cars of 2010 and 2011 will all be in there.

As for the people debating which is better? GROW UP!!

Yes, both are very good racing games, but if you have a 360, buy Forza 4. If you have a PS3, buy GT5. If you have both, wait for both games to come down in price and get both for the price of one 6 months from now!!

Anyways, for the sake of argument, a car enthusiast from anywhere around the world (particularly Japan or Europe) will most likely go GT5. American car enthusiasts are most likely to go Forza 4 since it is newer, exclusive to 360 (The preferred NA console), has 2010 and 2011 supercars and sports cars that GT5 doesn't have on disc, AND has better representation of the Top Gear track along with Jeremy Clarkson lending his voice.

Hopefully the cars will handle more realistically than in Forza 3, otherwise it's just another flashy racing game with better content than car physics. (Car physics being the whole point of these racing simulators)

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Highlander
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:21:36 AM

How does it have better representation of the Top Gear track? It's an airfield with the course laid out with a few lines on the road and some orange traffic cones. It is what it is, and lookes pretty much as it does in GT5 and on TV. What, do they have cheesy "Top Gear" banners or something?

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:34:27 AM

@Highlander

From what I see from reviews, mini-games, drag events, and Jeremy's Clarkson's voice. I think it's not so much representation of the Top Gear track, but how they implemented the Top Gear series into the game.

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Dancemachine55
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:50:16 AM

Daus26 is right.

You can race the little hatchback from the show on the Top Gear track and try to beat the best times celebrities tend to strive for on the show.

Not to mention drag races along the airstrip, mini-games, multiplayer events which I'm sure will be created for it, and so on.

I heard GT5 only had 2 or 3 types of races you can do on the Top Gear track and none of them are representative of how the track is used on the show.

It just seems Forza 4 is all about star power, pretty features and loads of content, while actual car physics and number of cars you can collect is significantly less than that of GT5.

Plus, with GT5 getting the big update including interior view for all cars and new 2010 and 2011 cars as DLC, hopefully this will be compared to Forza 4 and not the release version of GT5.

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___________
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 5:57:23 AM

thats EXACTLY why forza is better!
GT does everything half a$$ed!
dammage half a$$ed!
cars half a$$ed! (how many cars are crappy ps2 models?)
tracks half a$$ed!
top gear implementation half a$$ed!
turn 10 bite off 10 things and do them pretty well.
PD bite off 1000 things and do them pretty averagely!
thats another reason why forza will always be better.
you will never see turn 10 using old last gen models in a next gen game!

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:06:39 AM

@blankline

Lol, I may have to agree with you at some of the points except for a few. For one, I really think that PD did try to do too much with their content and features. It was a bit of bad management and final decision it seems, which resulted in very long developmental times especially being a small development team like PD.

Other than that, tracks aren't really half-done, for a better word. I mean how are they exactly?The one thing that you also have to appreciate for a simulation game is that PD at least got the physics consistent, even on the standard cars.

And just because they did less things well, doesn't make it a better game, as that's very subjective. GT5 is probably the better simulator, and for sure the more advance game. On the other hand, FM4 is the one with less features, lesser physics, but the more complete game. I don't see how that can translate to which game is better. I'd say to just leave it by preference.

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___________
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:41:01 AM

thats exactly what ive been saying, depends on what your looking for.
i just wish M$ would let logitech release a update to make the G27 compatible with it!
only wheel that works with it is their cheap piece of sh*t, or a fanatec wheel cant remember which one but its over 600 bucks!

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:33:00 AM

I get that part of your point, but in your post above, you mentioned that Forza will always be better than GT.

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Highlander
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:36:20 PM

You made the assertion that the top Gear track was a better representation in Forza4, and yet you can say this when asked to illustrate?

"I heard GT5 only had..."

So, you make a categorical statement about one game being better than another - which you've not played.

As for racing the little hatchback they use in the show, you can race any car you want around the top Gear track in time trial mode to see what your fastest lap time is. Any car in the GT library of cars, including lots of little hatchbacks. Oh, and BTW, the car used for the 'star in a reasonably priced car' segment is updated fairly regularly, I believe that there have been three different ones in the last 5 years or so.

Having Jeremy Clarkson's voice is net entirely a plus point. Don't get me wrong, I really like Jezza, but in a serious racing sim? Jezza is not entirely the most serious person involved with Top Gear, actually he may be the least serious. So if you're claiming to be a racing sim, why would you use Jeremy Clarkson? Ah, yes, the name value. One upping GT by having the 'big name' associated with the game.

I could see Clarkson working in the game if he was the voice that introduced each of the cars with an appropriate sardonic take on the el-cheapo models and effusive gushing about the V12 monsters. But Other than that? Nah.

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StangMan80
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:46:26 PM
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GT5 2.0 :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care what others say, if they would rather play that piece of **** then let them be. I'll just laugh at them and be playing the best simulator to hit a video game console, Gran Turismo. Thanks Kaz! :D

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PasteNuggs
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 10:55:24 PM
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I'm sorry but when you can rewind a race you lose your simulation status. I trust a professional driver over people who just try to create a game.

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main_event05
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:03:24 PM
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I always thought Forza was a bit "arcade-y". I've never seen it or played so someone fill me in please.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:30:48 AM

Playing FM3, definitely. I haven't tried FM4 yet. I'm waiting on my friend to get it, so I can try it myself.

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sirbob6
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:04:18 PM
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GT fans and Forza fans will never except their opposite as a better game, EVER, even if it may be true. It is simply how our minds work.

So the debate will simply wage on forever in a never ending war of claims, retorts, snarky comments, and insults.

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StubbornScorpio
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:04:51 PM
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There shouldn't even be a debate about which racing game is better. If you have a 360, go for Forza 4 (the best that the system has to offer). PS3 users will stick with Gran Turismo 5 (the best our system has to offer), a no-brainer.

The only reason anyone should debate is if they have both consoles. In that situation decide between the streamlined interface of Forza or the seeming infinite selection and variety of Gran Turismo.

Personally I'm on the GT side, but I'm not about to hark on Forza just because it's on the other system (I haven't even played it extensively to fairly judge it).

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:29:43 AM

Good post, and I agree.

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Dancemachine55
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:56:01 AM

Online races and comparing trophies / achievements plays a big role too.

While I love GT5, all my friends have 360's, so naturally I play Forza with them and try to do as much in that game as possible so my gamerscore doesn't look so woefully low when compared to theirs.

Online multiplayer has kinda ruined this generation of gaming for me. I've always loved a good story or exploring a world on my own. Online trophies and multiplayer trophies just annoy me now, especially if there is no one online like in any Rock band or Guitar Hero games. Almost impossible to find people online on old PS3 games.

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StubbornScorpio
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:31:35 AM

Agreed. With multiplayer games done right (like Uncharted 2 or even AC: Brotherhood for being innovative) it's such a shame that you have to play like 1,000 matches or win every single kill-streak or whatever to earn a trophy. I would have platinum for Brotherhood like I do for AC II, but I'm not motivated enough to try and get EVERY single bonus award.

Back on topic, I think multiplayer and being able to play with friends are huge factors in deciding which game would be better for the player. Obviously it would be nice to choose the game YOU want most, but if most of your friends have the other title, pressure can get the best of us.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:36:49 AM

Dancemachine, you do know that GT5 has ZERO online trophies right? Honestly, I'm not sure exactly on what you're trying to say about online trophies there. I mean online trophies are annoying to me too, but it doesn't apply to GT5.

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Also, there is always people, and a lot, online in GT5, so no worries there. In terms of your personal friends though, I don't know about that. Anyway, for sure, what your friends have or not is one of the important decision factor for some.

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playaplus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:07:12 PM
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@main_event

def more arcade style type series if commpared to GT

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Clamedeus
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:18:16 PM
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Wow, the loading times for the Menus on GT5 have been improved a bit, It's a lot faster than what it was, I'm liking it. :D I got my X1 that they gifted to everyone can't wait to give it a spin, I have the prototype one though.

Edit: Omg! The Red Bull X2012 S. Vettel is leaps and bounds more of a monster than the Prototype. Lol Geez what an adrenaline rush. :D!

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Jawknee
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:49:19 AM

Is the update live?

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 3:06:46 AM

Edit: Indeed it's up. I got it around 11:10 / 11:09 in that area.

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Crabba
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:20:22 PM
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Since I've heard so much about how good Forza 4 is, I checked out a couple of gameplay videos. I was NOT impressed, except for the showroom, the actual game did not look very impressive at all, environments like the mountain scenery looked completely fake and like a picture was just pasted on as the background.

Hopefully the final game looks better than that but I wouldn't bet on it...

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PSTan
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 11:37:26 PM
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It's not about the graphics.

It's all about the gameplay. The game that truly feels like a real car race takes the cake. I haven't played either game, but I do plan to make a comparison at some point. However, I've been a GT fan since the beginning (GT1 being the reason I bought a PS1). I can't say I'm biased against Forza, cuz F3 was really good.

It's the gameplay that matters. That's why they're called simulators. They try to get as close to the real thing as possible.

Gameplay.

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Wraith
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:07:34 AM

You are a GT fan and haven't played GT5?? Anyways, I agree with you on points about graphics and gameplay. Graphics are important, put gameplay should always supersede graphics. I believe that both games are equally good (too close to call)and I will own both.

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PSTan
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 7:42:13 PM

@Wraith

I know, I'm disappointing. GT5 was my most anticipated game of 2010, but I just didn't have time to get it and sink hours into it. I'm getting it for sure now because of spec 2.0 and the price drop. And maybe even a wheel setup.


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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:25:18 AM
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Thank you Ben so much for getting this up lol. I've always wanted to talk about this with you guys.

I don't like to believe I'm bias, but out of all the reviews I've read, there wasn't one thing that stood out, that would make the game score as high as it did, or rather "perfect" according to some reviewers. There was mentioned of improved graphics, improved physics, like 5 new tracks, Top Gear, Autovista, and a revamped Career mode. Out of all those, the edge FM would have over GT5 are probably just the Top Gear implementation, Autovista, and career mode. Besides the career mode, unless you really care that much about Top Gear and Autovista, there's not much to Fm4. The rest of the features like livery editor and such are already present in FM3, so comparison can't be that much different.

So if we're talking about the game that have made a much more breakthrough and features in simulation racing on consoles, it would have to be GT5. Why? Well, one thing that seems to be overlooked imo is that GT5 is the first game in console to be able to do real-time 24 hour time change, with interchangeable weather. If you haven't, please try to race at night, in the rain, with a premium car in cockpit view and high beams on. Then watch how the lighting, weather, car handling, and wetness of the track, dynamically change. In terms of features, GT5 has track creator, Rally (Ice/Dirt), Nascar, F1, B-Spec, etc. HOWEVER, and admittingly, some of these features weren't really featured and executed at its best. Consider that, with the short-coming A-Spec and the standard/premium dilemma, I guess many critics were rather disappointed by it.

So in all fairness, FM4 just seems more "complete" than GT5 was when it was released by many critics. By that I mean the things they try to implement into the game, e.g. Top Gear, seems more well executed. GT5 tried to do many more things, but most aren't executed to its potential. That's probably the biggest factor with all this. If we're basing it on the gameplay/features and technological breakthrough, GT5 would clearly still have the edge by paper/stats.

Forza still have ways to go if they want to match GT5's best aspects. Just imagine a GT game with all the features it has, but implemented to a more deeper career, events, and tracks.

- Imagine weather, time change for all tracks. - More F1, Nascar, and Rally Events
- More track creator themes, and customization features.
- All premium cars, although I don't mind the standards one bit. Critics and casuals are knocking GT really bad for this, and I think it's rather silly.

FM's best aspects over GT5? I'd say livery editor/customization, community features (e.g. car auctions), and to many people... car selection. There are also small things like mini-games, in-depth car review with Jeremy Clarkson and other stuff. In the end, it comes to preference as you can see, they have advantages at different points, and right now it's a matter of which you'll rather have.

I tried my best to be fair, and if it doesn't seem so, I apologize in advance. I would love to get FM4 if I could. Too bad I won't be able to get online if I did.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:28:14 AM

Oh wow that's long. You guys should definitely thumbs me down for that! Who would read all that??!!

I didn't realize it would be that long till I hit submit. Wish there was a preview button. I swear though, it took only like 3-4 minutes to type all that in one go. I thought it'd be shorter.

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The Iron Jedi
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 5:49:01 AM

I read it all :)

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 7:48:18 AM

We're used to long comments actually.

Highlander usually put comment as long or longer and we enjoy reading 'em.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:54:57 AM

You guys are awesome, but to those who don't, I'll try to make it shorter next time. Sometimes I just get on that groove when I type. I've been docked before for making my essay too long before lol.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:51:27 AM

Long posts are appreciated. I'd rather you make a long post to accurately say what you want than a little tiny one that misses the mark of what you are trying to say.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:00:23 AM

Great post daus26.

I believe why Forza 4 traditionally scores better than GT5 is because Turn has mastered how to make a candy apple.

They put all the good stuff out right away, and after a few bites, all that's left is an apple. An apple is good, but it's nowhere near as sweet as the caramel on the surface.

As you put it, GT5 offers more to do than any other race title out there. That's not even disputable. Sure, the standard car issue is not favorable for a lot of people, but once you get past the graphical issue, the cars are as enjoyable to drive as the premiums.

I have said this before, but Forza Motorsports is more on the video game side of things, and Gran Turismo is more of a traditional simulator. After playing the Forza 4 demo in full simulation mode, that much is certain due to all the grip that Ferrari I used had, yet when you use the same car in GT5, the visceral power is felt that the Italian supercar possesses.

Yes, GT5 as game isn't perfect, but the actual driving is.

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Highlander
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:41:34 PM

So, Max, you're saying that Forza is a fancy sweet, but in comparison GT5 is something like a satisfying steak?

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:51:15 PM

Sure Highlander, that will work. LOL!!

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Maruf
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:30:41 AM
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FIrst off, I'm a racing game fan and not just GT fan.

I think Forza 4 is a more complete game from what I've seen compared to GT5. If we compare lap times, we'll see that forza 4 lap times are closer to reality that GT5. But the car behavior seems more authentic on GT5. So I think that GT5 has a better car simulation system but the cars are not as true to their real world counterparts as they could be.

But this authentic system is no good for fast driving from the birds eye view. You need to be in the in car view to really push a car to its limit because this is the best view where you can really feel the moment to moment weight distribution and balance changes and grip levels which really gives a rich and entertaining driving experience with many assists of if not all. So, standard cars are no good for fast driving to me.

Another thing is the controller with which I mostly play racing games though I'm really used to it. The 360 controller is the best controller ever made imo. The left analog stick is right there under my thumb when just naturally holding the controller whereas on the ps3 controller i have to move my thumb down and bend it a little. Sorry, but that just doesn't sit well with me. In close hard fought races my finger keeps slipping off the ps3 controller stick.

Oh how I wish GT5 was a more consistent game; firstly with all car having proper interiors, not those stupid dark ones, secondly having more accurate car performance. After all this I don't even want to mention the inconsistencies with the graphics.

Ooops, I did. Didn't I? wait, that's not a question.

BTW, I also like Shift 2 with certain mods, Sports Cars GT, rFactor, GTR2, NFSU2, etc.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:40:19 AM

I agree with a lot of your points, but definitely not track representation and real-life lap times. There's too much credibility to factor about that.

For one example, have you seen the Top Gear competition on the Seasonal Events? Lap times were way close. How can you say FM4 have better track representations and lap-time just like that??

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Gordo
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 2:47:59 AM

You lost your cred when you started talking about controllers.

If you were really serious you would have a wheel...

The only way to play!

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Maruf
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:23:23 AM

1 min 10 sec on top gear track with a McLaren F1 and 7 min 8 sec on nordschliefe with a Ferrari 458 Italia are not accurate. McLaren F1 road car will never be as fast as a GT1 car or a Caparo T1. Also, Ferrari 458 Italia can surprisingly top 216 mph at LeMans is not realistic; neither is a McLaren F1 struggling to reach 210 mph on a smooth serieously long straight. Those are just a few examples.

I don't care about my cred; I know what I know and what I like. There are many PC sim player who will give not much cred to even GT5 and go as far as calling Forza an arcade racer. I'll admit there are many better simmers that me, so what. I ain't barichello leading a virtual championship or have the skills of Odonez and I don't mind nor care.

I know how both controller and steering works and i can work them both. Steering department is ok, great in fact. But there are still many who play these games with controllers and I have found that even they can be fun if the game is developed to make good use of the controller as well. Its surprising how well some people can control the throttle with TC off with a controller.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:50:53 AM

Maruf, was your Top Gear times with a standing start? And what wheels did you use?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:09:31 AM

Maruf: I will guarantee you that alterations to vehicles - many of which have a far more drastic and realistic impact than they do in Forza - will greatly alter lap times, top speed, and all that.

Being such a hardcore racer, I'm not sure why you're throwing out single statistics for what would have to be single vehicle setups.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:08:19 AM

Maruf -

Considering that PD has a real world race car driver in it's stable (Kaz himself) I disagree with you.

No one from Turn 10 has ever driven a race car professionally. That's valuable experience that cannot be faked.

Plus, you SHOULD know that track times are determined by not only car set ups, ambient factors such as temperature greatly effect these aforementioned lap times. The greatest contributor is the driver himself, so it's impossible to gauge lap times when the main variable in this discussion is a flawed human being.

I can tell you first hand that the grip levels in Forza 4 are not accurate as GT5's. Take a stock Corvette ZR1 from both games, turn off the assists, and take it to a track. You'll notice a stark difference, I promise you. Yes, in case you are wondering, I have driven a ZR1 on multiple occasions.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 4:19:29 AM
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GT5 has the greater amount of overall content, while Forza's is far more focussed, really fleshing out the features that it does have. GT, in its greatest splendour, 16 premium cars on track in full 1080p HD, I believe is a tad more impressive from a graphical perspective, but thanks to the detail in all cars, I'd give F4 the very slightest of edges most of the time, simply because of the greater quality consistency.

And Forza is definitely more arcade-y, in execution, if not in physics (can't tell, haven't played it). I mean, the Top Gear integration, rewind, livery customisation... GT doesn't mess around with that, it's all about the simulation experience. And that's all I got to say about that!

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 8:52:29 AM

Wow. I think you pretty much said everything in my post, except it was a lot shorter. Nice lol.

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The Iron Jedi
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 5:34:34 AM
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I've been playing Forza 3 a bit at a mates place. The biggest thing I've found, is it's just too easy, even with most assists turned off. GT 5 at least provides a challenge when working up through the ranks.

My mates keep wanting me to get an XBOX for Forza, and it's tempting, but then I realise how much I hate the whole system. MS offer no content EXCEPT for Forza that interests me. I've got just on 100 PS3 games (Disc and Download), so I don't see much point in buying a console to play one title.

The Spec 2.0 update has just finished downloading on my PS3 now, so I wonder what difference it will bring :)

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saini
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 5:44:15 AM
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could anyone suggest a wheel for GT5 i got the first copy of the game from JBHIFI camberwell i was there 10 minutes before the store even opened, never played it much because i never liked to use controller with racing games

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___________
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:00:49 AM

depends what you want to spend.
if you want a cheap but good wheel the logitech driving force GT is pretty good.
if you can spend a little more get a G25, a little more a G27, i personally prefer the fanatec GT3 RS same price as the G27.
though if your bill gates and want the best wheel then it has to be the thrustmaster specifically made for GT5!
though, it really is only priced for bill gates!

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___________
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:04:19 AM
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it all depends on what your looking for.
go into forza looking for GT on 360 and your going to be massivley disappointed!
as i said several times above, forza has NEVER suppose to be as hardcore sim as GT!
turn 10 has always set out to bring the fun aspect of NFS to the racing style of GT, and thats exactly what they have done!
if you want a hardcore racing sim you cant beat GT5!
if you want something a little less hardcore but still want a sim, and want something with a sh*t load more character and fun then you cant beat forza!
i really love the top gear addition, i watch the show every day so its really cool being able to drive the reasonably priced car the kia cee'd and try beat some records.

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:28:57 AM
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Spec 2.0 Opening if you guys haven't seen it yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7X5vatYBg

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:14:41 AM
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i think the premium/non premium split in gt5 was responsible for generating some of the reviewer negativity regarding gt5. more so that than the simulation aspects. ign's review in fact praised the gameplay and racing. what they were critical of was the uneven presentation. there was a qoute in ign's review that i remember to this day stating that the lack of polish in in certain areas of gt5 would have been seen as sacreligous in past gt games. i agree with that sentiment. the official playstation magazine was critical of that design choice as well. i would also note opm has awarded the 3 previous gt games a perfect score while they gave gt5 an 8/10.

as for the argument that most reviewers are not qualified to judge the game...well, i would remind people that up until gt5 the past gt all have 90 plus metacritic scores. gt5 has an 84 average. critics seemed to like the games just fine until gt5 so i have a little trouble accepting that all the sudden they were hating on a gt game becuase of its simulation aspects. it's always been a simualtion based racer. again, the premium/non premium split seems to be an issue in generating some of the reviewer negativity. i can understand why the reviews were mixed for this one particular gt game. it's hard not to notice the uneven presentation. meaning it looks great in some sections but in many others not as great.

i can't remember what psxextreme member(maybe fm23) desrcibed gt5 as a messy masterpiece but i thought that was spot on despcription. it's still a very solid game, and most importantly the racing is very good.

i have not played any forza game but i did see forza 4 at my cousin's house. i hate to use the term graphics whore but that's me so one of the first things i investigated about forza 4's graphics were the shadows. they are clean and crisp unlike the 8 bit shadows we got in gt5. overall i thought forza 4 looked very good. i can't comment on its galeplay since i have not played it.


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Arvis
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:16:24 AM
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I'd be very interested to see what would happen if both games went multiplatform.

-Arvis

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main_event05
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 1:22:32 AM

Forza would still be Forza and GT5 would become Forza 4.5

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DemonNeno
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:29:52 AM
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I haven't dabbled with F4 yet. Judging by the reviews, however, it seems it's merely an updated Forza3. With that said, we get our updated GT5 for free...

GT5 - 1 F4 - 0

The biggest problem people encounter with GT5 is graphical achievements. This, however, is something that SHOULDN'T stick out. Most race tracks aren't beside mountains, through canynons of vast and jaw dropping colors. Shadows are GT5's greatest graphical downfall. Forza takes a different approach. Colors are alive, exaggerated.

Draw

Physics, which should be the first priority on your simulation list, are hands down all about GT5. Forza has some unreal turn-in speeds, stability and overall "feel" to their vehicles. GT5 has a far more sensitive approach. You realize how much very little steer-correction does in triple digits, as it should, cars massively under/over steer with poor turn-in speeds. The difference in the vehicle's center of gravity during turn-in is also incredibly different. Forza is FAR more forgiving. If you turn in hard in GT5 (hard implying you didn't brake enough during the straight coming to the turn), and your vehicle is nose heavy, the car reacts as it should - Loose out back. Forza doesn't necessarily use this recipe.

I can go on and on. To me, the choice has been clear for my off-season racing itch. GT5. Although I haven't gotten my hands on the GT update or the lastest Forza, it seems both carry along much of the same dynamics they had. Not actual in-game dynamics, but the actual dynamics that make both games what they are and once again have seperated the gap between what both games are intended to achieve.

I wouldn't be disgusted playing a Forza game, but if I had the choice, I would most definitely pick up GT5 over it. End of the world? Nope! I own a PS3 and therefore have the option that fits my car-nut taste the best! :)

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daus26
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:42:32 AM

I'm a bit confused on the "Draw" part. Are you saying they're equal on the physics? Not that I'm disagreeing or anything, but from what I read, it doesn't seem to.

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DemonNeno
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 12:02:04 PM

That was regarding the graphics. Beyond that, I really have an incredibly difficult time comparing the two games because Forza just feels far too much like an arcade-type sim compared to GT5's purely simulator roots.

I understand that many are underwhelmed by GT5's graphics. It's understandable. GT5 was based on realism. When you're at a race track, the last thing that really draws you in is your environment. It's not this brilliantly lit world of vast, potent, colors. Much like GT5. Forza is far more exaggerated and follows a consistant "eye-candy" appeal to the realm around you. Totally different leagues.

I still think the shadows are a massive drawback for realism in GT5. Personally, I wish I could just turn them off. I know, I know... It's kind of stupid to get hung up on shadows, but they really do stick out like a sore thumb.

At the end of the day, though, I'll take GT5 anyday of the week. Far superior in the most important aspect; Realism.

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JackDillinger89
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:50:36 AM
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If your a die-hard racing fanatic and you own both systems its a no brainer you will own both. And i cant understand F4 is getting high reviews and fanboys are quick to bash the reviewers and game. Its getting high praise for a reason. F4 and GT5 has there certain qualitys that stand out from each other. And to be fair to turn 10 it did not take them 6+ years to develop F4 as did PD with gt5. For 6+ years in the making and 1000+ cars with 800 being ps2 ports and people want to question reviewers reason for GT5 lower scores add the lack of customizations. Forza is easily more accessible with more car manufactured vehicles And much deeper car customizations. What i mean by more car manufactured vehicles is forza has more variety manufacture wise. Whats with the dozens of skylines and lack of muscle cars in GT5? More chevys, fords and mopars please (even though im a mustang guy) Forza has More robust online features, auctions etc.

But disappointingly Forza still dont have night racing and weather something i valued in GT5. But this whole "kaz vision" thing i understand he wants perfection but regardless its ONLY a game and developing a game for almost a decade and still not reaching your goal like FM23 you have a messy masterpiece. GT5 still delivers but not what everybody expected. Forza isnt perfect neither but in a fimeframe les than GT5 dev cycle still delivered a accessible racer that pleased car nuts and its fanbase.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 1:55:04 PM

You are aware that Forza outsources its game development, right?

You can't pretend GT5 doesn't have Muscle cars when even in Standard form nearly every iconic muscle car is there. Up to Forza 4's release, GT5's list was head and shoulders above everyone else.

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thj_1980
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:42:39 PM

Still forza is an up-to-date racer with many features that it should have as a simulation racing game should have. The driving might not be spot on but the customization and Xbox Live integration are DEAD ON. So 2 big things make up for the 1 bigger thing GT5 has on it.

This is a good topic to discuss, but I really do find myself geared towards the forza side. I mean after all it's simply an amazing racing game that deserves the Simulation Racing KING.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:45:22 PM

If Forza doesn't have good driving physics, it doesn't deserve the title of simulator at all. It's not about the customization of the car, it's the driving that people care about.

As everyone else has said it's more Arcade style than what GT5 is. Which I don't get how you can compare the two.

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enjoi
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:52:08 AM
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Maybe 1% of all reviewers have even set foot on a track so they can't possible understand the vast difference between Forza and GT's physics. There a lot of things I like about Forza but GT is hands down the better racer.

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thj_1980
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 2:02:43 PM
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Forza 4 hands-down. I don't care what anybody thinks I stand by decision and I think forza has been better since forza 3.

GT5 to me isn't even close to comparing with forza!

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Highlander
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 2:28:54 PM
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So, based on the above comments it seems that it kind of lines up like this;

Forza 4 has better presentation and is more fun to play as a game and has more eye candy, but GT5 has more realistic physics and visuals, but is less slick and game-like.

So, in other words, no surprises there eh? Forza 4 is better than Forza 3, OK, I get that. But, from all the comments and reviews it seems that Forza4 is trying harder to be a game than a sim, and GT5 is trying harder to be a sim than a game. In which case they are not directly comparable, and it comes down to personal taste.

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thj_1980
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 4:16:25 PM

Well, said Mr. Highlander!!!!

I agree with you completely. Forza is more fun of a game since it has Xbox Live and the things you can do on there outweigh what you could possibly do on GT5.

GT5 is trying extremely hard to become the ultimate simulator and I have to say the only thing that keeps it down from being the realistic simulator is should be is damage, and customization.

Mainly damage since the damage in that game are piss-poor and unreal. I know you get damage unlocked at a later class, but really it doesn't so well there. Maybe they wanted the cars to shine instead of being destroyed???

Besides that and the online that is loses to forza the last thing I find very irritating about this game is the camera. OMG I hate it. It stays fixed behind your car and there is no way to change that.

The dashboard view is cool but that is only available on certain cars, while forza has for every single one of their cars. I would choose having 400 cars all having interior views then 1000 cars but only 250 of them have interior, any day.

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dkmrules
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:00:58 PM

Don't forget that forza has better cars

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thj_1980
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 6:38:53 PM

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I know you can go in the dashboard and bumper but I am talking about behind the car which is the camera I am most comfortable playing in. To be honest the detail they put into the premium cars is amazing, but they left all the other cars in the dust. I know time was a problem because you can't hop in 1500 cars all day and take pictures to recreate them all, so I don't blame them 100% since these guys are perfectionists. I liked forza since the interior looks amazing and every single car has one. I mean it's good enough right??? GT5 interior(premium cars) would be 10/10 and forza would be 8.5/10 not that bad behind but at least every car has it which GT5 fails at.

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Highlander
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 9:37:42 PM

How has Forza got better cars? Perhaps in your opinion it has better cars, personally I like the complete variety of vehicle in GT5.

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DemonNeno
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 10:44:25 PM

"Better" cars is meaningless with "inferior physics". Sure, they might have more American cars, which seems to be everyones gripe, but that does very little other than give you another arcade-like handling car.

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dkmrules
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 11:24:02 PM

By variety do you mean different colored skylines? And just because they could port cars from gt4 doesn't cut it for me.

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 12:59:44 AM

Highlander isn't talking about colors, GT5 has a lot of different cars that you can choose from. 1,000 probably a bit more on release don't know the exact amount, and more is being put in.

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daus26
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 3:14:03 AM

I'm probably one of the few that think this, but I think the standards are perfectly fine. I mean unless you pause the game, go to photomode, and zoom on the details, they blend in just fine with the premiums on the track. There are lots of great standard cars, and it's just straight up silly imo, if you rather them go away, and just stick with 200 premiums.

One of the decisions Kaz had to make was how detailed the premium cars were gonna be. They wanted them to be as perfect as possible and honest to their real-life counterpart. Their choice caused them lots of development time, which is why only a bit over 200 were made.

In Forza, they decided to go the general route on a lot of the cars. Yes, some of the cars may be accurate to an extent, but you'll also see that a lot of the cars are not representative of the real thing in terms of cockpit. I can't say this is a bad decision, cause I think it's actually reasonable.

Basically both games went different routes. Unless they went the same, or similar route, we can't compare them fairly quiet yet. When GT5 gets more "game-like" with all the flashes and customization, and Forza getting more realistic on their physics, as well as more features and advance technical achievements, then perhaps we'll be able to compare easier then.

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Highlander
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 3:32:12 AM

Daus, as it happens, I'm probably one of the few that feel the same way.

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thj_1980
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 2:14:02 PM

LOL different coloured cares don't cut it well. I mean turbo version, a Mine's version is cool and all and different year make is good but I am talking baout like 2 skylines maybe with a diffrence of 12 hp and diffrent rims don't cut it. And not all cars have a good interior that is clos to real life. I mean they should of done the interior like in gt5 prolouge for every other care which would have been good enough and have the priminum cars have more detail.

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JackDillinger89
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 3:28:02 AM
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Lol maxpontiac, yes but you think i wait 6 years to drive those cars in its ps2 form? Head and shoulders above else with 800 ps2 ports?

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thj_1980
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 @ 11:19:38 PM
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Also to note the graphical balance in the game is horrible the best looking things are the premium cars and the tracks would be next, after that eveyrhting looks like ps2 stuff in hd.

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