Sony Patent Might Stop PS4 From Playing Used Games
See Full ImageIt's no secret that video game publishers are none too happy with the used game market, as only the retailer reaps the benefits of pre-owned sales.
That's why we've seen various strides taken by game producers like EA, THQ, and Sony; you're all familiar with the Online Passes that are only included with new copies, right? That's to discourage you from buying a pre-owned copy, because the Pass costs $10 if you have to purchase it separately.
And we've heard rumors before that next generation, console manufacturers might want to completely eliminate even the possibility of playing used games. Now that rumor will start afresh, thanks to information obtained by a NeoGAF forumite citing a recent patent application that could be used for Sony's next-generation machine; it would presumably not allow the playing of used games.
Basically, an RFID ID would be stamped onto the new discs and track the usage history, thereby restricting each disc to playing on one console. Sony Computer Entertainment Japan filed the application last September, but let's not forget that this patent might only result in the restricting of some of the disc's features, such as online play. Yeah, the online pass thing again. And analysts have said it would be stupid for Sony or Microsoft to put out a console that couldn't play used products...not that that would necessarily stop them. They'll do what they want to do.
We'll just have to see what happens when the PS4 is officially announced.
Tags: used games, sony patent, ps4, playstation 4, preowned games
1/3/2013 10:14:07 PM John Shepard
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Ultimadream
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 4:33:32 AM
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buckoboy1
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 1:49:09 AM
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 8:59:11 PM
I honestly don't even plan to upgrade if they pull a stunt like that. I have an INSANE backlog of unplayed games that'd keep me going for 2 or 3 generations, at the rate I play. Why should I give my hard earned cash for a new system I already know I won't be able to afford, when all Sony seems to want to do is milk me for every last dime I have.
No thanks. I'd rather play what I already own or build a PC instead.
I am not afraid to miss out on a few next gen games over an issue like this. This type of anti-consumer behavior can't be rewarded.
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Nas Is Like
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:01:01 PM
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But if it's true, then I won't be buying the PS4. I won't mind sticking to my PS3.
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Temjin001
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:56:58 PM
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maxpontiac
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:08:12 PM
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I for one like my hobby and because of this fact, I don't mind, and actually look forward to supporting developers and publishers that continue to meet my demand as a consumer. I actually find myself getting excited about new versions of my favorite titles.
So if you enjoy new titles to play and experience you really should embrace this idea. With that said, I really do believe games should go back to the $50.00 price tag that we enjoyed back with the PS2 days. Especially with all the DLC that comes out these days.
Plus, anybody who shops at Gamestop knows of the markup they put on used games after they give you less than half of what you paid. All this does is balance the money in the used game market with more then one entity.
As I stated prior, I might be alone in this mindset but I really don't see it as a stupid idea.
Last edited by maxpontiac on 1/3/2013 11:10:12 PM
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Nas Is Like
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:21:07 PM
And with everything else going up in price, why should gamers be forced to buy all their games brand new?
On another note, if a PS4 gamer wants a game months or maybe a year or 2 after it came out, how can he play it when it isn't new anymore? Logically, he cannot buy one in store because they won't carry it.
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firesoul453
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:22:48 PM
In all honesty I bet it will increase piracy majorly (atleast in multiplatform games).
I hope however it is not true.
Edit:
Don't forget the fact that by making used games not possible your taking a lot of the value out of a games and people will very very not likely buy it until its much cheaper since they can't get any of their money back later;
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Coffeya
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:37:11 PM
Anyways, I might not get a ps4 and I'll wait for the PS5 to roll around.
Also, since I know it is going to be brought up. We should be able to sell/trade/give away any digital items or software we own.
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maxpontiac
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:37:25 PM
I understand there is a flaw in belief system, it is why I suggested that the price of games come down. This entire system needs to work both ways. If the consumer has to change, the game company should as well.
As far as affecting sales, brother, if the people who buy games now only buy used games, the new sales numbers won't even see it.
Gamestop could still sell used games, it would just require an "online pass". This is what Ben mentioned in his second paragraph.
As far as not being able to afford it, I guess said individual must make a decision and prioritize their lives. I don't see the issue here. Life > Gaming.
Firesoul453 -
Think about it. The developer and publisher lost the opportunity to make money when someone goes in the Gamestop and purchases Uncharted 3 three months later because it was only 35 dollars.
If the publisher and developer recieve more money, the investors behind the big AAA titles may be more willing to part with their cash for a sequel. I believe Ubisoft mentioned how difficult it was releasing AAA titles all the time.
In this economy, these type of factors weigh heavily. I guess my belief comes from the fact that I generally only purchase new games.
Coffeya -
You raise some valid and very interesting points. Digital trade ins are an excellent idea.
HA!! Who are you fooling? I used to say the same thing. But once a title of your liking makes to the PS4, you, like many others will be all over it!!
Last edited by maxpontiac on 1/3/2013 11:40:11 PM
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firesoul453
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:06:10 AM
Besides all the piracy it will create, it will be over complexed. . What about lending out the game? Or even playing it on another console of your own? The only way to solve those problems is to do something online. And that causes a whole mess of additional problems...
And there is something else that scares me even more.
What about the future? 10-20-50 years from then? What happends when the game is no longer supported and not sold anymore? Maybe there will be remakes but I know of several games I would galdy rebuy that will never be remade because of legal issues and publishers/developers being sold or closing down.
Sure it will help the developer in the short run if everyone has to buy a game new, but overall it will hurt an indutry. Do you think that books should only be sold new? (College textbooks?) DVD?
So far every industry that has pretty much gone digital for the most part (movies and music) have resulted in cheap streaming services where the developers (or artists or directors) only get a lump sum up front.
I know the movie (and tv) industry is fighiting netflix because it hurts new movies....
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Caanimal
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 9:35:05 PM
I'm whole heartedly w/ Max on this one, if people just wait until they can find a cheap used copy then we will see(and possibly already are seeing) the down fall of game companies... No companies = no games = BAAAAAAD... I can't say there is a perfect solution to this problem, I can't say that there is even an imperfect solution, but something needs done cause we have already seen a slight fall in AAA games being produced, especial when the company producing a game of that quality isn't one of the big companies...
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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:23:59 PM
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/gamestop-shares-tumble-following-sony-patent-application-6402008
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:33:37 PM
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Simcoe
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:52:18 PM
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Underdog15
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:58:06 PM
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firesoul453
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:25:44 AM
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Simcoe
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 9:06:41 AM
Aside, one of the last things I did to my retired ps3 was "deactivate" the console under the account settings before "activating" my new slim with my PSN account (no phone call required). Though I do believe you can have anywhere between 2 to 5 units (ps3 consoles) tied to your account, depending on the date when you purchased software from the PSN store.
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Cesar_ser_4
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 12:16:00 AM
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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 1:34:51 AM
That wouldn't even work :( Sony does not even repair the console. It gives you another refurb.
I had a problem once and wanted to keep my saved games. Know what they told me?
Sorry there is no way for us to *repair* your PS3. You will be charged *repair* fees and we will send you a refurb unit of the same type... You will lose everything.
Basically I will never ask Sony for any type of hardware assistance EVER again lol.
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Temjin001
Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 11:38:00 PM
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Underdog15
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:00:16 AM
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But yeah, I betcha it'll just result in a less annoying way of getting season passes, etc. Right now, going on PSN to find the season pass, do the transaction, etc. is a bit of a pain when you just want to play.
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Underdog15
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:01:59 AM
It's better for devs than season passes. Season passes allows for used sales to continue. But this way, people would have to buy the game new instead of the passes. Which means more market saturation, so the people that DO buy used and don't need online would get it even cheaper due to supply being so much greater than demand. It would injure the used game market and promote overall new sales.
See where I'm going from a strategic stand point here?
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kraygen
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:06:54 AM
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Knightzane
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:27:51 AM
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Nas Is Like
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:43:16 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 1:23:47 AM
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___________
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 3:15:30 AM
$ony has been posting LOSSES for years now, so in other words no there not making enough money thats what a loss is, and havent been for a LONG time!
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Excelsior1
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 6:36:32 AM
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 2:14:59 AM
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 9:17:55 PM
That's false. A FEW people above normal counts will buy new, but there will ALSO be a number of people who would NORMALLY buy it new and sell it later, deciding not to invest in the new title. If they can't resell it to recoup their expenses, then they will be less willing to take risks.
In the end, such a strategy drives initial sales into a flatter sales curve, rather than the sharp peaks that normally occur at launch. The launch will be weaker, due to the devaluation of the game. Sales will peak again at each price drop. I do not believe sales would actually increase. I think total numbers would decrease, and more people would simply choose to go without.
Even if you DO achieve higher sales at the tail run of a game's production, when prices are far decreased, it will not be at as high a price, so those sales will be devalued.
Sony does not understand how to function in a down economy...
OF COURSE they will have losses. No luxury is going to excel in this kind of economy, and that IS what gaming is... It's a luxury.
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gumbi
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:45:45 AM
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Now there's a chance that I wont even be able to play disc games on my other consoles???
No. I refuse to believe that Sony will do this to us. It would put a serious dent in my unwavering loyalty...
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 9:47:33 PM
But...
Loyalty to Sony though...
HA!!!
Using the MCZ3001D chip for nearly 2 decades in their WEGA line from CRT days all the way to the Bravia line, knowing it's prone to failure, RootKits on PCs, and crippled music CDs, Killing Other OS, reducing activation counts, Tying your PS3 hard drive to the console, not your PSN account, Not allowing you to easily backup certain save data, proprietary music players, proprietary audio formats, proprietary services, proprietary memory sticks, even MORE proprietary memory cards for Vita (cause they aren't proprietary enough, even compared to their OWN proprietary memory)...
I could go on... But I do not need to. I trust Sony as far as I can throw the 36" WEGA I bought that developed image blur a month after the warranty expired, or the 25" WEGA that developed the red light of death. I trust Sony as much as I trust my friend's lost 144 hours of Oblivion to ever reappear, due to Sony's restrictive data and repair policies on PS3s.
The only Sony products that I even own that lend any faith, respect, or credibility in my mind for Sony's trustability, durability, or quality... Are my pair of Sony SOBAX ICC-500W calculators in my collection. And they were made in 1969. Yeah, It's been a while since I even remotely respected Sony. It's sad when I can power up a device made in 1969 and have it be more functional than devices bought in 2002, 2005, or 2008.
I mean... REALLY Sony??? Really?
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Xbox_Killer
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:51:04 AM
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Have game prices at set levels. $60 the first year and then $40 and so on. (None of that price lowering after the game has been out a couple of months)
Make online play only to the people that buy the game new (Have no other way to play online)
Make all the downloadable content *free* but only to people that buy the game new. (Have no other way of playing/buying it)
Disable the games trophies. Unless the game was bought new.
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AcHiLLiA
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 1:32:06 PM
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Gordo
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:54:29 AM
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As long as there is a cost saving to compensate the inability to on sell then it should be fine. Amazon digital books seem to be half the price of the physical copies. Steam has cheaper digital PC games.
However, I have yet to see anything drastically cheaper with PSN digital games. Sony needs to change this to keep competitive.
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Amnesiac
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 1:10:25 AM
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downloading music = stealing from the artists
downloading movies = stealing from the studios
trading used games = stealing from developers
I'm really tired of having these conversations.
I feel everyone of these problems are rooted from a blind allegiance to an outdated business model.
And now after much needed compromises:
The Music Industry reluctantly embrace Itunes.
The Movie Studios are constantly negotiating with online streaming.
but the Game Studios --- nothing.
Now we hear a rumor that PS4 won't allow us to play used games? WTF?
If everybody knows there is a market in the selling used games why not DIY?
Crush Gamestop by offering a Gamefly/Redbox business model to subscribers.
Somebody wants to buy NBA Live 15 used?
Mail it to them.
I hate leaving my house and going Gamestop
They are lame their generic cases are crap and the prices are suspect, especially when a game that is labeled on the shelf "brand new" is no longer in a sealed package & all extra content (download codes,maps,etc) has been removed.
That is not a "brand new" game anymore you can't sell it like that. Its now become a used and opened game.
I digress- I for one dislike Gamestop
but
If a game company would offer to sell me and trade used games and also send them to my home
we wouldn't need any more gamestops
Then the Ps4 wouldn't need anymore restrictions. It could do anything you ever wanted play used games learn solitaire make toast whatever.
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___________
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 3:19:42 AM
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sure its going to piss ALLOT of people off, and allot of people will say fine im not buying your system.
but ive got a feeling everyone will be doing this soon, so its either you put up with it or you just dont play games anymore.
i personally dont mind the idea though.
manufactures dont make any money of hardware and accessories 99% of the time, 99% of their profits are from games.
and they see zero profits on games if there sold used, so hows that fair to them?
the retailer, who is doing jack sh*t, gets 2 dips at the pie, and the poor buggers working overtime staying back to 2am every morning, working saturdays, for 2 months straight, get jack!
hows that fair?
2 solutions to the problem.
1 retailers give over a percentage of their used profits, which will NEVER happen!
and manufactures know this, so there going with the only other option.
i say fair game.
they make all their profits on game sales, so there just making sure every time someone buys their game they are getting the advantage of that.
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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 1:42:06 AM
If it becomes too big I do hope that everyone will tell them off. Gamers go on a rampage for every little thing (cough Mass Effect cough) but when it really matters they just shake in a corner? We need to put our foot down for the good reasons. This is a good one and we have to stop them if they do it. When I buy a physical product, I should be able to do whatever I want with it. Data that is on it should be all MINE and accessible even if their service goes down. If they refuse to do it then PLEASE change the term buying for *long term RENT* because to buy something is to own it and I feel they are just tricking us.
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___________
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 10:16:11 AM
certainly is not the ideal way to solve the problem, but what other ways are there?
maybe they will only use the tech for new releases, and maybe after a month or so the tech will be deactivated and then consumers can trade and buy used.
manufactures need to find a way to get back some of the used game sales, this is really the only practical easy way to do so.
id be great if they could negotiate with stores that they get a certain % of used sales.
that way things stay the same for consumers, and the problems solved.
but theres no way in hell stores are going to agree with that, so what other choice do they have?
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Dealnightfire
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 3:27:31 AM
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For instance you buy a game for $60 and trade it in or sell it for $25 and Sony unlocks it for $25 for the other persons system on a game that just came out.
Its just a thought because Sony and other publishers want a piece of the used game market more than they want to destroy it. They know everyone can't buy it new but the more money they could get from a used sale they would like that.
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Snaaaake
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 4:26:51 AM
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 10:14:02 PM
By your logic, used home sales are a problem for carpenters, plumbers, and electricians.
By your logic, garage sales, ebay, and pawn shops are a problem for commercial retailers, like Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Kay, etc.
What gives game developers a free pass to kill the free market. Are they special. No, they are not. They work just as hard as the auto assembly line workers, the department store manager, the electrician... They do a different job, with different requirements, but they are not privileged.
They are leveraging the fact that their software exclusively runs on hardware from a limited gamut of manufacturers (Sony, MS, Nintendo), that they can force the hand and take anti-consumerist actions that give them an unfair advantage.
I have NEVER bought an online pass. I also buy used. I don't really care. If I REALLY wanted to play a game online, i might consider it, but I usually just buy games that won't give me any fuss to start with. I refuse to buy any game that demands an always active internet connection. I refuse to.
If developers want to make profit on games after the initial sale... Make worthwhile DLC for the games and sell that.
Never in all of history has the "we don't make money on used sales" spiel ever been more of a lie. DLC is able to provide revenue to developers, even on used game sales. one disc might result in 1, 2, 3, or even more instances of DLC purchases. Look at the sales success of games that release with early sale prices. Portal 2 dropped to $40 in only a week or two, due to a sale at Gamestop. I don't know if other retailers did that. We couldn't keep it in stock. We've seen similar with other new titles. If companies would do week 1 discounts, they'd NATURALLY make more new sales at launch. You can make up discounts with quantity, if you do your numbers right.
I simply don't believe in any of the excuses.
Why are devs losing money?
It's a crap economy.
People are not comfortable paying $60 for a game.
People can't justify $30-50 in DLC right away.
Devs are using every advantage to milk consumers for every last dime, and the true solution would be to make it EASIER for people to get the games. I will agonize for months hoping for a $30 DLC to price drop, and sometimes I'll even look at $15 and think, meh, I can wait...
And yet, I'll drop cash on $4.99 DLC in a heart beat. For the love all things silicon, I've spent $5 to get ad free versions of FREE programs!
I'll buy a game used if I can get it for a good price, and if there's good DLC, I'll consider it.
They'd make so many more sales by just lowering their pricing expectations. These devs simply don't get that the economy is incompatible with their demands.
Last edited by richfiles on 1/6/2013 10:18:52 PM
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Excelsior1
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 4:31:34 AM
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I guess if it happens I will become a retro gamer.
HA! EA is probably celebrating over at their headquarters since they have long been one the biggest cry babies when it comes to used game sales. That was always such a turn off because they have been one the most profiable software publishers out there.
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 10:20:47 PM
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Dirt
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 4:42:13 AM
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johnld
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 3:22:42 PM
Game development cost money. you want a higher quality game? then its gonna cost them a chuck o change. the "thousands" of used game sales translate to the developers loss in new game sales, i dont know why thats so hard for people to understand. the profit from these new game sales will be used to run studios and fund new games. if a used game is bought then they cant do such things for themselves and close down. Sure you say they make money from the initial launch sales, but they were losing money from the time they started making the actually game, no profit for them there. thats why they have to sell a huge amount of copies BEFORE they break even.
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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 1:46:51 AM
The DEVS are not the one pushing for this piece of crap. THE INVESTORS are. Majority of DEVS are gamers and do not believe in this crap.
In the end it will just hurt them because I will toss consoles aside and just stick to PC. What's the point of owning a console if I can't even bring my games to my buddy's house anymore? Now it will be totally no different from my PC. I own consoles for couch-coop and party fun first, then for their exclusives. Anyway I do hope it never happens. They will just kill the market.
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ethird1
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 6:11:11 AM
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I dread the fact that I cannot go buy a 5 or 6 year old game for 9 or 5 bucks and play it because of this new Sony deal.
I will never buy another Sony game again, including any Sony game system, if this goes through. It also goes for Microsoft and their system.
Looks like Nintendo for me!!!
End of Line.
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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 1:50:10 AM
It would be ok if they would rename it to *RENT* though. lol Anyway that is pretty much what we are paying for now. So many constraints and what you buy is not even yours. It should already be called a RENT and not a purchase... Screw em.
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Huey
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 6:26:41 AM
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Shatterday
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 6:44:23 AM
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Now, with that, you could probably make an account on a friends PS3 that has your PSN ID on it.
The 1 disc per console thing seems a little far fetched, but I can see how it would come in to play. Though, I would expect limitations on the number of consoles in a 'household' ;-).
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xenris
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 10:00:15 AM
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Either way I think there has to be a more elegant solution to this. Maybe they could get gamestop to give some of the money off of used game sales to the devs?
If the PS4 does this I'm sticking with my PS3 and PC. I can't sell my Steam games but they are so cheap(steam sales) that it doesn't really matter.
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wackazoa
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 10:39:54 AM
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sinister nero
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 11:12:14 AM
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Excelsior1
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:36:31 PM
In the article over at CVG regarding this they also mentioned another patent Sony made on technolgy that pauses a game while you are playing it to play an advertisement. Really? Commercials in the middle of my games? I know Sony's in tough spot financially but come on.
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 10:25:31 PM
Lying bastards didn't hardly wait a month before they did it.
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Deleted User
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 11:35:54 AM
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However, this is another sign that the days of physical games are coming to an end and all games will be digital downloads going forward. During my PC run, I've only bought one physical game. Everything else is a download that is mine to keep forever. You can't sell those. I think a lot of people are fed up with Gamestop overselling used games and making a profit or Kijiji/eBay users trying to scam people by selling overpriced software they got on a sale. It may be unpopular for some but others might welcome the idea. Perhaps it guarantees lower prices, may help curb piracy (at least for awhile as these pizza-faced no lifers always find a way to hack something) and puts more money into these companies coffers to develop more daring titles. All we have to do is pick-and-choose our games more carefully. I can't rent games for the PS3 and not every game has a demo. We just need to show a little constraint with our wallets.
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wackazoa
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 1:56:43 PM
Also we have Ubisoft and Activision bosses saying last year that you cant be creative due to popularity of AAA titles. Well would the console id tag not further hinder creativity?
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Deleted User
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 4:11:14 PM
UbiSoft and Activision are two companies that refuse to show any patience to developing new franchises. If it doesn't sell, the game's software house is shuttered. What will happen when people tire of CoD or AC or Tom Clancy games? Will they actually have any creativity left? These two companies might never adapt to a new generation of gaming.
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karneli lll
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 12:30:35 PM
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Infinite7
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 1:52:46 PM
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telly
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 2:37:00 PM
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johnld
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 3:46:46 PM
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as for the rfid tag things, i dont want my games tied to my hardware, hardware can be replaced and thats too much trouble to get my games back. if it was tied to your psn then that should be fine. you can take your psn id on any system so no trouble playing it on your friends ps3. sony would have to increase their activation count but then they would only open back up to gamesharing and lose money on dlc. maybe they can include a "guest" activation where you can activate and deactivate it on pc and only allow the guest account for play. they could also limit how many "guest" accounts the disc can use, limiting how much times the disc can be sold. you can use online pass that way too i guess. i dont know every detail.
as for the arguements for used games, i can agree that theres some valid arguements for them. however, i rather not hear anymore self entitled arguements that frankly doesnt hold much weight.
comparing it to buying a used car, just stop. you only picked this because its the only used item you can think of and frankly its just not the same. sure you buy a used car but you still need to pay to use the NETWORK of roads, its basically what you pay for when you register your car. the person you bought the car from isnt the one paying for your use, you are. youre just lucky sony is keeping psn free to use.
They already got their money from the initial sales. like i said above, its not difficult to understand. used game market is worth millions if not billions. money that can keep a studio running and allowing them to make bigger/better quality games. EVERY USED GAME PURCHASE IS EQUIVALENT TO A LOSS OF NEW GAME SALES FOR THE DEVELOPER.
I dont have the money to buy all these games new...... whos forcing you to buy all these games at launch prices? just this past 2 months i bought a few games way below their launch price. you just got to be patient. minus game patches, games are basically the same quality if not better whether you buy them at launch or a bit down the road. So far i bought warfighter for $30, assassins creed 3 for $30, Ninja gaiden 3 for $10, Sorcery for $10, portal 2 for $10, deus ex human revolution for $10, mass effect 3 for $10, transformers war for cybertron for $20, ps all stars vita for $10. i can even get dead or alive 5 for 30 right now. point is, games are basically the same at launch as they are a little bit later. its just your fault if you cant wait to buy them after launch.
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xenris
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 5:24:17 PM
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SaiyanSempai
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 6:12:28 PM
I have no problem with developers potentially benefiting from this endeavour - with more monetary resources in their pockets hopefully that translates to better games for us down the road.
And seriously, I don't think Sony or M$ will do anything to completely destroy services like gamefly.
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Underdog15
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 12:26:30 AM
I love the humorous car argument. Because, you know... if I buy a disk, and put software on it... I still own the disk. So I can sell as many disks as I want! Afterall, I bought the original software, and I bought all the disks. Licenses be damned! They're just a money grab. Wait... what's that? There are situations where software must be treated differently than physical goods? I can't make and sell as many bootleged copies of movies, music, and software as I want? That doesn't make sense! I own the physical disks and can do what I want!
I mean, heck... If I have all kinds of car parts and metal and manufacturing equipment, I could theoretically sell as many of those as I want too! Oh, wait... but physical goods have a limit? I can't actually make as many copies of my vehicles as I want? The quality of the content in my car changes over time? And software content doesn't change? That's odd...
But they're the same! THE SAAAAAAAMMMMMEEEE!!!
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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 1:55:07 AM
To me *software* is not different than a *book* with another type of language.
No difference.
Can you sell a book even if you did not write it and do not own the copyrights?
Yes.
Now unless they change *BUY* for *RENT* I will never allow them to do it. Stop lying and just call it what it will be. A LONG TERM RENT. It is just plain insulting.
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 2:08:49 AM
Or what about something like Windows or Norton Anti-virus? Can my organization install both on our computers, then pass it around to everyone else in our city? Is that ok? Or better yet... can we install these pieces of software then sell it for the same we bought it at? Would that make sense?
If not, why does it not make sense? Could it be that there are license issues? And if I promise and cross my heart to never use windows again and I re-sell it, is it ok then?
Personally, I don't care if you buy/sell used, or anything. I don't even care if you think it's your right to do so. Heck, I haven't bought new this gen, but I have bought and sold in previous gens. So I'm not pretending I've never done it either. But it does drive me nuts when people ignore the honest to god truth just to help justify their way of thinking. Like... admit that software is different. And admit the laws are different. And THEN say you wish to live differently because of your own beliefs. But don't pretend the rules don't apply to you. I mean... come on... if I decide to believe drinking actually improves my ability to drive, I can't still do so just because to me, it's the same as driving sober. At some point we cross the line of thinking with a level head in pursuit of justification.
Look, believe what you want to believe about what is right. Just don't embarrass yourselves, people, by pretending there's no consumerist difference between software and physical goods. Surely you are all more intelligent than that to find a better justification than, "well, the rules don't apply to me because I don't consider them the same way all of YOU do."
That's a silly justification. Honestly...
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 10:39:17 PM
Underdog15... Please tell me you are not that stupid... You're acting like it's piracy. It's not. You are clearly too blind to realize that you REMOVE the software from your hardware first.
It's NO DIFFERENT than buying a book, and then reselling it. Only if I scan, photocopy, or write down every page of the book that interests me, before selling it, would that ever be REMOTELY comparable to what you are saying.
Try not to think too hard... It's obviously not your forte.
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SaiyanSempai
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 6:21:33 PM
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If the worst IS true, I imagine it would really only have a minimal impact to the majority of people's ACTUAL lives.
It would have more of a psychological impact than a physical one.
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DeathOfChaos
Friday, January 04, 2013 @ 7:26:55 PM
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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, January 05, 2013 @ 2:00:37 AM
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Underdog15
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 2:12:51 AM
The same thing will happen with season passes and online passes... everyone will complain, then everyone will realize that no one gives a sh!t. lol. "I'm gonna boycott!!!" The devs and publishers don't care if you boycott them, fyi... you weren't going to buy a new game anyways. The literally gain nothing from you buying their game used. Why would they care if you boycott their used title? lol
Everyone blames the publishers about this. But no one is willing to realize that the consumers are the ones being screwed by the second hand market, here. That's what bugs me. I have to deal with inflated costs because everyone else allows the used game market to give them pennies and turn around to sell for 3x the purchase amount.
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clue
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 12:55:58 PM
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So what i getting from this is that if my ps4 blows up and i have to get a new unit i will have to re-buy all may games again because the rfid tag is connected to the serial number of my old machine and not to me.
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VictorDeLeon
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 1:17:27 PM
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artech7
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 3:09:12 PM
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I don't see a problem in this. I can wait a month or 5 months to get a game when it's cheaper if I have to. Or, since games are shown in trailers months before release, just budget for it in those coming months.
My lord people, it's not like it's the end of the world with this. People will lose jobs, such is the market and economy we live in. Game makers and console makers are only trying to keep the market alive. You can't blame them for doing that since, in some cases, making games is the only way they make money, and their attempts are futile at best. In my opinion, if you like gaming, and you want to continue gaming, then you should support the devs by buying new, even if you have to wait to get it. Prioritize what game you want the most, because you won't die if you don't have all of them. Then, if it's an online game and you're afraid of it not being playable due to low player counts in about 6 months, then you know it was a crappy game. Because freaking MAG still has players playing last I checked 2 months ago, and that game is how old now? 3 years, and it didn't sell rather well.
It's like the gamers of this gen all became needy babies, and have dropped their grown up hats for convenience alone, rather than bucking up and support a rather (at the time) small group of developers. My faith in gamers just keeps going down every time something like this occurs. Give me thumbs down, I don't care. Because I'll be the one supporting the developers at the end of the day, and that alone will make me happy.
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Ninjaman
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 5:11:23 PM
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richfiles
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 10:45:16 PM
Any dev that says they don't make a dime off used game sales, but that employs DLC and online passes, are flat out liars.
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sinisterurge
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 8:05:49 PM
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PHOENIXZERO
Sunday, January 06, 2013 @ 8:27:24 PM
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Kiryu
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Thursday, January 03, 2013 @ 10:58:40 PM