Should The Rumored Xbox 720 Specs Make Sony Nervous?
See Full ImageEveryone is talking about the supposedly leaked specs for Microsoft's next machine. Are these statistics enough to make Sony start shaking in their boots...? Yea or nay?
VGLeaks claims to have the full technical specs for the Xbox 720, which has been code-named "Durango." For the record, the site also says they'll reveal the PS4/Orbis soon as well.
The technical documents in question outline a console that boasts an 8-core CPU, a Blu-Ray drive, what appears to be a "constant" hard drive (in that it can't be switched out for another), a DirectX 11.1-capable GPU, and 8GB of DDR3 RAM. As for the processor, that will feature an x64 8-core CPU with a clock of 1.6Ghz and "each CPU thread has its own 32KB L1 instruction cache and 32KB L1 data cache," while both modules "of four CPU cores has a 2MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4MB of L2 cache." Lastly, "each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources."
Then there's the 6x Blu-Ray drive and the 32MB of embedded SRAM, and the GPU will supposedly support DirectX 11.1, while it runs at a core 800mhz with 12 shader cores that offer a grand total of 768 threads. At optimum performance, the GPU is apparently capable of issuing "1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second." Now, you can feel free to read up on the rest of it, but the question remains for all you techies out there-
If these stats are accurate, what should Sony think?
Tags: xbox 720, durango, next gen, next generation consoles, sony, ps4
1/21/2013 9:18:38 PM Ben Dutka
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Temjin001
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:04:36 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:14:01 PM
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Knightzane
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 10:33:02 PM
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The wii u has been having tons of problems. I heard that it goes as far as the entire console not working. Like not turning on and whatnot. Its a rumor so im not holding it against nintendo. ...Rumor.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 1:09:37 AM
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Deleted User [Administrator]
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 10:33:32 PM
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Temjin001
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:06:20 PM
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Geobaldi
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:11:39 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:15:09 PM
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Beamboom
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 5:01:05 AM
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Deleted User
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 9:50:11 AM
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kraygen
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 10:36:54 PM
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I would rather spend less now and upgrade to the size and speed I want at my own accord than be limited to the very few options handed out by the console maker.
I know it's not a big deal to some, but I've replaced every hard drive in every ps3 I've owned, it's easy and it's cheap, so why not.
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Beamboom
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 5:02:39 AM
Sony has introduced their proprietary HD crap with the latest PS3 model. You have to buy an adapter to insert other hard drives in the new PS3.
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gumbi
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 10:21:19 AM
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Beamboom
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 11:10:58 AM
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Temjin001
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:01:18 PM
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Looks like the PS4 will pretty much spank the next Xbox. Supposedly Epic's 2.5 tflops request didn't convince MS this time around. The Durango GPU coming in at just under half of that Samaritan spec. Sony's comes closer to 2 tflops, maybe meets it with the assistance of the APU housed GPU. DDR5 also spanks DDR3 so I say if these specs materialize we should see PS4 bringing the pain next gen.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:16:32 PM
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xenris
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:04:06 AM
But it is true, if the leaked sources are right PS4 will crush the 720 hands down.
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Temjin001
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 1:20:32 AM
Thanks Xenris, but my skills are mostly derived from the software side of things, like programming languages. While I'm familiar with PC tech I'm not an electrical engineer and I don't know the nitty gritty aspects. I just know enough to get my way around and interpret things with general accuracy. I've assembled a couple computers and have read up on things more than the general gamer I'd imagine. Perhaps when i take the "architecture and organization" course for computers I may soon become a bit more knowledgeable.
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xenris
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 9:58:32 AM
DDR is the RAM your CPU uses, GDDR is the vRAM your GPU uses, and GDDR5 is the best form of GPU ram.
This is what I gathered from digging around and asking one of my tech friends.
So yes world you are sort of correct, but you gotta get the G in front of that DDR because from what I can tell plain DDR5 doesn't exist, but GDDR5 does.
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The Real Deal
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:02:00 PM
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In saying that, sony still wants the edge. So they will wait until the specs are released to either scale back or upgrade there system. Yes i said scale back. For the first time sony will not be the powerhouse that its known for. They will settle for being only marginally better then the xbox. They learned allot from the ps3 launch, it wasn't the timing that stalled the launch of the ps3, it was the premium associated with the cost of its parts.
They will launch the ps4 with a price tag equal +- 50 dollars to the xbox. To do that, they will sacrifice whatever power they can to achieve that goal. They will mimic microsoft this generation, good, bad, or indifferent; mark my words. Sony is effectively allowing microsoft to define the next generation of consoles.
So to answer the question is sony worried? The answer is No.... But you should be.
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karneli lll
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 1:00:43 AM
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JROD0823
Thursday, January 24, 2013 @ 3:01:41 AM
Sony wins every time with that equation.
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Warrior Poet
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:06:39 PM
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Bonampak
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:28:23 PM
So the question is: which one of them is more prepared to go through that critical first fiscal year without earning any hardware sales profits?
The one that secures 3rd party exclusives or that has the games people want to play (and has them first) will be able to survive that fiscal year thanks to software sales and a bigger share of the gamer user base.
So even if they end up having similar hardware, the winner will be the one that manages to win over gamers and mainstream users and becomes the device where the cool people are at. It sounds so superficial, but that's how things work when there are so many devices with similar capabilities. Just ask Apple and their iPods/iPads.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:22:28 PM
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Mdash0009
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:34:27 PM
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wackazoa
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:06:43 PM
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Mdash0009
Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 11:28:45 PM
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MasterGT
Thursday, January 24, 2013 @ 1:10:04 PM
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karneli lll
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 1:03:13 AM
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TopuNeko
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:03:35 PM
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Excelsior1
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 1:30:51 AM
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I already mentioned this on another PS4 related thread but would like to remind everyone that the most powerful system has rarely won its generation. The N64 was more powerful that the PS1 and the PS2 was the weakest system out of the three last gen. It's really all about the games. That's what defines a platform and drives sales.
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Temjin001
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 11:06:41 AM
First, three consoles I can think of preceded PS1's launch: 3D0, Jaguar, and Saturn. Two of which were undeniably less powerful than the PS1. Saturn had an eccentric design that made it seem less powerful until games started harnessing it's power. So in reality PS1 was in about the MIDDLE of the pack, not the weakest or the strongest in processing. But this point is to be argued as well. N64, the supposed more powerful console, games were hamstrung by a very limited cartridge capacity. Certain games just could'nt be market-ably created. We all know this about Final fantasy. other games like MK Trilogy had HORRIBLE music and lower quality graphic assets in order to hold the game. Publishers were also afraid to produce games on the N64 because of the ridiculously expensive cost associated with cartridges at the time.
Moving on. Ok, so it's JUST about the games. Games, first out to market, and cost is the answer! ....not necessarily. The Dreamcast had all three of those things dialed in and that did not save it. It had great games that made PS2 play catch up for quite some time. Soul Calibur, NF2K, Sega GT, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Sonic, Resident Evil CV and more, including also Phantasy Star Online and Daytona USA Online (I played both). It still failed.
Why do people ignore THIS gen. The Wii came out at the same time as PS3, was the cheapest AND the least powerful, and the WORST games and it still did incredible for a 5-6 year span. Third parties suffered but when we're counting console numbers in a RACE Nintendo was doing great. Right?
I had limited time so i raced through this. i hope it reads with sense.
Personally, I really want Sony to be the premium content provider next-gen and I just don't give a crap if they're number 1 in sales. That has stopped meaning a lot for dedicated gamers for quite some time now.
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Snaaaake
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 1:36:22 AM
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And I'm confident Sony can come up with something big, it is Sony after all, one of the best tech company in the world.
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Hand_of_Sorrow
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 7:40:31 AM
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because i don't!
the rumered specs seems to be alot to be stuffed in a console,
not to mention trying to keep it cool.
i don't think sony should be nervous as long as they have a good
line up of games and exclusives for the ps4.
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MRSUCCESS
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 8:56:29 AM
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CrusaderForever
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 9:12:04 AM
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I would be surprised if the PS4 blew the X720 out of the water. I have a feeling this next gen is going to come down to the games. Which ever console has the better games and the most exclusives will win.
I have a feeling Sony is going to be really innovative with the PS4. There will be a lot of open mouths when they announce. A lot of OMG that's awesome. Sony just needs to stay the course and not let Microsoft launch to far ahead of them. If Sony launches later but announces their launch games and they are incredible a lot of gamers will wait for the better games on the PS4. It's going to be fun!
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Ninja_WafflesXD
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 9:45:49 AM
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However, I will say that it shouldn't make Sony nervous. For me, and for a lot of other people as well, it's all about the software.
Secure the games, and you'll be fine.
Thinking back to last gen, the PS2 was the weakest graphically, yet it's the best-selling console of all time :)
Now look at the Vita - a beast of a machine in comparison to the 3DS, and yet it is't selling all that well.
I won't mention the Wii, since that's a bit of an anomaly...
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Dustinwp
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 9:52:24 AM
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/df-hardware-next-gen-xbox-specs-leak_9
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telly
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 10:44:36 AM
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gumbi
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 11:08:37 AM
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Thankfully, I think this snuffs the persistent x86 rumour. I could see this being a pretty solid console. Obviously they've taken price into consideration here. I was expecting more, but with this should come a pretty reasonable launch price. If this is the real deal I wouldn't expect this console to launch for more than $350. They may even surprise us with a $299 model.
Now, lets wait see what Sony has to put on the table...
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wackazoa
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:03:42 PM
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TopuNeko
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:04:16 PM
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Nestore
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 11:56:41 AM
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Every company needs to be nervous or worried about the competition, especially Sony and Microsoft. Sony has lost its leadership position in it's core business of consumer electronics and Microsoft has lost it's leadership position in its core business of computer operating systems.
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TopuNeko
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:01:29 PM
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TopuNeko
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:00:32 PM
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The rumored PS4 uses high performance memory (GDDR5) where the neXtBox apparently uses ordinary DDR3 memory.
Even though neXtBox has 8GB, it may be running an embedded version of Windows 8 and has to set aside a colossal 3GB of that 8GB for the OS, leaving only 5GB of RAM left, the PS4 only has (apparently) 4GB, but only 512MB is set aside for the OS leaving 3.5GB. The additional speed/bandwidth of the GDDR5 memory will help compensate for the difference - as we have seen with Ps3's XDR vs the 360.
Finally The GPU-like compute unit in the PS4 specification. This could potentially be the ace in the hole. Sony owns the manufacturing rights and designs for Toshiba's SPURS GPU which is more or less the SPE cores from a CellBE without the PowerPC core. If Sony included that unit which is sold as a GPU by Toshiba, but is really (as we know from Cell) a compute unit of high performance, it could possibly allow Sony to emulate a PS3 with the PS4 - possibly. Certainly that would create an interesting problem for neXtBox since doing that would give the Ps4 an instant game library, as well as 100% compatibility with existing PSN services, games and Home.
If Sony wants anything north of $400 for a PS4 from me, they must include PS3 compatibility.
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dbyzforce
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 11:04:28 PM
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wackazoa
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:01:22 PM
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I mean think about it. All things being the same, and being able to have the same games, which would you buy? Now I do believe Sony and Microsoft will rely on exclusives to tip the scale but they sorta already do that do they not?
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jugheadjones
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 12:54:01 PM
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Beamboom
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 3:51:54 PM
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BikerSaint
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 5:59:29 PM
And "Orbis" sure beats "Orfice" by a mile...
...or a few extra inches.
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ulsterscot
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 @ 9:34:00 PM
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dbyzforce
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___________
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 @ 12:32:46 AM
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8 core CPU appose to quad core, HALF the RAM, ect, ect.
i hope these are bogus, 1.5 is such a slow speed for a CPU!
yes its 8 cores, but come on the 3930K im getting is being overclocked with freaking air to 4.8!
water cooled, and watch the numbers sore!
looking like what developers have been saying is very true, next gen systems wont be that much of a leap after all.
sigh, i guess PC is going to have to put up with crappy console ports for eternity!
either that or make exclusives, which will happen once every purple moon.
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Jackeria
Thursday, January 24, 2013 @ 11:09:13 AM
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gruvsf
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DIsmael85
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Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 10:15:55 PM
I'm also quite sure Sony will match that or surpass that.
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