Will The PS4's Price Tag Be $499?

ethird1
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:24:58 PM
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As long as I can buy and play used games I will look into getting it. If not you can forget the ps4, just like I have already forgotten the new xbox.

End of Line.

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Coffeya
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:59:45 AM

you forgot to put in that you always have to stay connected.

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matt99
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:35:56 PM
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This actually makes me a little relieved, there's no way Sony's going casual if the system costs 500 bucks. The price doesn't bother me as long as they have a good quantity available on launch. I mean the best buy in downtown Toronto only got like 100 PS3s for launch, and the EB games near me only got about 10 for launch.

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Bonampak
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:51:01 AM

If you want the PS4 to be a niche machine targeting cores and nothing more, then alright.

Just remember that no machine out there (since the PS1 came out) has ever made it big without mainstream gamers by their side.

The PS2 was the perfect console in the sense that it had the perfect balance of core and casual gamers. Having casual games in the PS2's library didn't stop the core games from being made.

Look around, Vita, the 3DS and Wii U are struggling because they are incapable of branching out from the dedicated Sony/Nintendo fan-base. A lot of them did support those systems. But it wasn't enough.

They desperately need the support of mainstream gamers.

But that crowd is too busy playing on smartphones or tablets or on the current home consoles to even care.

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matt99
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 3:59:03 AM

Oh I understand that they're going to target casual gamers as well and implement new social features and stuff, I'm fine with all that as long as it also has the core elements. Basically I didn't want it to be a Wii where they abandoned pretty much all core elements and went totally casual.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:46:25 PM
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Well, considering I spent $1000 AUD on the PS3 at launch, I'd prefer for a bit lower price tag, but honestly, if the console was impressive enough, I would probably fork out another $1k for it anyway.

P.s Every time I log-in, I get redirected to a random PS Vita news article?! :S

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cLoudou
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:48:02 PM
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I'd say $399, Sony will be selling at a loss but it will get a better install base compared to a $499 price.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:10:00 AM

You really think at $500 Sony won't be selling at a loss?

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cLoudou
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 8:36:01 AM

Sure, but the point is to get more consoles in homes.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:00:35 PM
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Um, just to point out that 7 years or so ago, the launch model of the PS3 actually started at $499.99. The $600 that everyone got bent out of shape over was for the 'premium' system that came with 40GB more HDD space and wireless ethernet as standard.

The original 20GB SKU which was the one Sony anticipated selling more of came in at $499.99.

Now, that was 7 years ago, 7 years of inflation, and a major economic recession ago, so I can see why a state of the art console might want to retail at the 'magic' $500 price point...

However, the article makes a point of saying "Sony probably doesn't want to release another $600 machine because it was a borderline disaster the first time.". It's just to be accurate, the PS3 launch price was $499, not $599.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:11:35 PM

True that. I imagine there'll be two launch models. Similarly to past console launches the significantly better value will be had with the premium model. I for one simply can't fork out that sort of money anytime soon. None to worry, though, I have a ton of amazing games to play already.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:12:23 AM

I would gladly pay 100 bucks more for a premium model featuring a cell for backwards compatibility.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:54:21 AM

Me too. A premium SKU with PS3 capability would be worth another $100 easily - hell, that's not even a decision that takes thought.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:58:16 AM

Even Sony would make a profit out of the deal. If the extra 100 were solely for the cell. Since I don't think the cell costs more than $100 does it?

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 5:14:48 AM

I'd be surprised if CellBE's cost more than $50 now.depending on royalty payments - if any.

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richfiles
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 6:57:17 AM

You are very correct.

I should also mention that I want a Vita SO bad, yet I can't afford it.
I will not be able to afford a new console either, so I'll be waiting for it.

Maybe if I can find a third job, or at least one I can rely on, then maybe I'll get one. Until my finances change... I will continue to struggle to even buy individual GAMES for the PS3 I already have.

I really think pushing new hardware, especially an investment that massive, in the current economic crap sack... Is not ideal. I get it, the systems out there are showing their age, but you know what? I'm still playing my PS3, and I'm still looking forward to new titles. I'll use it for a whole decade, as long as they keep feeding me good games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:08:01 PM
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I'm hoping it's no more than $450, but depending on how things situate themselves I might wait for the first drop anyway. We'll see how the game launch lineup is.

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bentl78
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:10:49 PM
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it will be 400.. ignoring the exchange rate, as the yen is very unstable at the moment in time.
but looking at the prices in the past,
if its 40,000 yen, it should be 400 usd. not 500.

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bentl78
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:17:16 PM

just a little info on the past pricing..
ps3 japan release was 59,980 yen
us was 599 usd, and it was 599 euro.

ps vita wifi was 24980 yen
and its 250 in the us.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:55:44 PM

A bit of history for you. The 20GB PS3 launch system launched PS3 in Japan at 49,980yen, NOT 59,980.

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:24:25 AM

@highlander he's talking about the premium model though

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matt99
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:30:08 AM

Highlander, a bit of history for you-bentl78 is obviously talking about the 60GB ps3 which did release at 59,980 yen and 599usd and 599 euros. I don't know why you're so hung up on the 20GB model when the 60GB one was the overwhelming favourite (around 90% of consumers chose the 60GB ps3) which is why it's the model that Ben, bentl78, and most people refer to when they talk about the launch version of the ps3.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:38:09 AM

A little history for both of you, the PS3 launch model was the 20GB system. The 60GB was a premium model, the base model and launch price was the $499 model.

Regardless of that 'bentl78' made no distinction of model and simply stated "ps3 japan release was 59,980 yen
us was 599 usd, and it was 599 euro."

That's not the case. He *may* have been referring to the premium model, but made no distinction between them, instead simply claiming the launch price was $100 more than it actually was.

The 20GB model was the code model for Sony when they launched. The 60GB systems were in short supply because they were not what Sony thought would sell. I don't know where you get your stats claiming that "90% of consumers chose the 60GB ps3" - if you have a link, I'd love to see it. The reason people talk abot the 60GB system is because when Sony launced PS3 with the 2 SKUs, the media was in anti-Sony hyper-drive and jumped on the more expensive SKU so that they could write stories about the outrageous price of $600, neglecting to mention the 20GB system at $500. Over time, people remembers that $600 price on the mode expensive unit, precisely because that's all the media talked about. I can't honestly believe we even have to have this discussion any longer, I thought that the myth surrounding the launch price of the PS3 had long since been burst.

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:44:31 AM

The reason people talk about the 60gb SKU is because it was the only one released worldwide.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:03:18 AM

No, it wasn't The 60G and 20GB systems were released in NA and Japan, the EU region (which Europe, the middle east and other territories not covered by SCEJ or SCEA) got neither, and instead got an 80GB system with a gimped form of backwards compatibility.

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:08:28 AM

Ha yeah ,the backwards compatibility was gimped. I do wonder why they did that and then went and charged a bit more for it (629 Euros). But it was 60GB not 80.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:50:31 AM

It was supposedly cheaper to make. I think Sony was still trying to build a working PS2 emulation in software. There are well known difficulties in emulating the PS2's custom GPU in software, and they could not be fully overcome. The 2nd generation PS2, the one that launched in the SCEE regions had the guts of the PS2 GPU on a custom chip inside it, and ran an emulation of the Emotion Engine CPU in software with the GPU being provided in hardware.

Personally, I think it was a combination of a little less heat, a little cheaper and finally optimism from Sony that they could make the PS2 emulation work.

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Meatloaf
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:38:41 PM
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think about it this way you can't find a cheap gaming pc! this is a good price with all this next gen tech! i can't wait until the Ps4!

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:40:10 PM
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Yeah releasing it at about $399.99 would be a sweet spot for sure. It's a pretty fair price for a new console and a pretty competitive price point. Any higher and well let's just remember the old "PS3 will launch for five hundred and ninety nine U.S. Dollars" meme.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:56:35 PM

If the system is to be anything more than a low end commodity PC in a closed box, it will have to cost more than that.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:18:22 AM

That's what I keep saying, people want a full blown $3,000 gaming rig for the price of a Wii

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:53:13 AM

Definitely. I think people have forgotten that the original Xbox was exactly that - a low end commodity PC in a closed box. It was cheap and cheerful, sure it worked, but it was not stellar hardware.

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:45:00 PM
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If it's 500, I'm going to hold off for a while, but Blu-ray is here so know more being highly skeptical about a new console.

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clockwyzebkny
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:53:45 PM
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I'm ok with the price as long as i'm getting a great system. In my book, Sony has done right by me. PS1, PS2 & PS3 are great systems and always made innovative steps.
My cousin (the self-proclaimed xbox fanatic) said he's getting only Microsoft systems no matter what. Although i'll be interested in what Microsoft brings to the table, i'm more than apprehensive on purchasing their console just because of their history.
But brand loyalty is a given and i'm more willing to get a PS4 than any other next gen system. I bought the $600 dollar ps3 and i felt like that was one of the best purchases of my life (No exaggeration!)

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matt99
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:32:51 AM

I agree, I also got the $600 PS3 and felt it was worth every penny.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:10:55 AM
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400-600 is the sweet spot for me.

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PoopsMcGee
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:20:30 AM
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$400-$500 is completely reasonable as far as I'm concerned. If it was much less than that at launch I'd start to worry about it's power and capabilities...

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:20:49 AM
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Japan 40,000 yen
USA $499 = 46500 yen
Europe €499 = 62900 yen

I'm hoping for a bit less than $499 because that will leave it very expensive over here in Europe.
I hope Australia don't get shafted as well but I think we all know they'll get charged the equivalent of over 800 US Dollars.

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matt99
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:34:08 AM

Why are video games and consoles so much more expensive in Australia?

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:57:16 AM

I don't know, I just hear people from Australia complaining about it.

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Buckeyestar
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:21:01 AM
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It better have full backward comparability wi path PS3 games.

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:29:45 AM

What if the system didn't actually have PS3 backwards compatibility but instead let you insert your PS3 game and then streamed the game from the cloud? What would people think of that?

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:44:00 AM

JCarroll, you can't stream gameply from the cloud, the network latency is too high for real time control. Start up your PC and ping your local ISP gateway and tell me what the latency is. Mine averages 51ms just to hit the local gateway at my ISP. 51ms is almost 2 frames at 30fps. That's just to hit the gateway. The return path from a game server in the cloud that has taken the control input, processed it, and sent the game video back to my system for display is going to be substantially longer. For any game that requires tight controls, there is simply no way on earth that you can stream gameplay from the cloud.

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:51:32 AM

If it can't be done, why did Sony buy Gaikai?
(I'm not saying it can be done, I know next to nothing about it)

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:05:49 AM

Gaikai have a great content delivery network, and for games that do not require tight control, cloud gaming is workable. Sony wants Gaikai for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that everything is moving to some form of always connected cloud based architecture in the future, so GaiKai gives them a horse in that race. If you look at Home, which is moving to cloud based saves incidentally, it can easily be seen as a cloud delivered game with a thin game client running at the user's end.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:15:26 AM

Streaming technology is more than the kind we associate with Youtube and Spotify ("pre-rendered" media streaming).

It is more reasonable to expect the *code* to be streamed, not the visuals. The game is rendered and played locally, based on data delivered from the stream server (as opposed to local storage media). All controls and interaction with the player is handled locally, so latency and network speed only plays a role for how fast the data is transferred.

We can think of the stream server as just a very slow hard drive, something that can be balanced out with some clever thinking ahead in respect of when to start streaming what data from the server.
It's essentially the same principles as the open world games without loading zones, they load as you go.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:25:42 AM

But if the code is rendered in console, then wouldn't it be redundant to have a game in the console to stream its code from the cloud and it be rendeoh no I've gone cross-eyed. It just doesn't make sense, unless you're talking about games other than PS3.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:37:43 AM

I'm talking about streaming in general, from a design perspective.

But if the PS4 is not backwards compatible it would not be able to run the original game locally anyway, so the only reason to insert a disk in this scenario would be to confirm you own the original game.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:50:05 AM

The way it is with the 360, Since now you can install the game to the HDD. You still need to pop the disc in. Otherwise it won't start.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:51:50 AM

That sounds like a clunky version of a DRM scheme, or a poorly done digital download. :P

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 4:56:22 AM

What, you'd prefer a laggy YouTube-feed instead? :p

It would be a very poor design choice (not to mention costly) to place the whole load on server side and have all these capable machines sitting idle on the client side. That'd be unwise even if there were *no* latency, if you ask me.
Pre-rendered cutscenes and other non-latency dependent stuff (background music?) might of course be streamed straight from server, but the rest is much better executed locally. Plus it makes the whole thing a lot more scalable VS network speed.

If I were to design a streaming server for this scenario, I'd design it into packets, something like this:

A "core package" that held the core mechanics of the game (input handling, score keeping, AI, all that stuff plus the static content like the player character). That package would be mostly pure code and that takes no space at all, and would have been quickly downloaded on a modern connection.

Then "node packages" who contained the data that was required to construct the logical "chapter" of the game. This model would work smoothly on linear games (at least in theory), if it was an open world/sandbox game it would have to be the root map of the part you are right now, with only the main nodes. Ref how large open world games work today, locally.

And then finally "child packages" who contained the data needed for that particular stage in the game, the "there and then". All objects, scripts and features required for where the gamer is at this point. Stuff you'd likely throw out of memory again shortly. These would be small and streamed from the server as needed.

And then all we needed was a sexy little middle layer who looked ahead and predicted the next required packages and push/pull them from the server as the gamer progressed. This layer could be placed on either side.

That's the rough idea from the top of my head. It would be real fun to design, actually. :)

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:38:12 AM
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Im good with any price because I know ill purchase it even if I complain. I bought the PS3 60gb model for $600 and never regretted it so... But lets be honest a $499 price tag for the premium model (assuming they release 2 models) would be awesome. Consumers would go nuts.

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The Real Deal
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:39:10 AM
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First of they will price there product +- $50 dollars to the competition. I am forecasting a price tag of between $349 - $425. They will also have between $50 - $150 dollars worth of optional accessories that will add to the Playstation experience. Microsoft did it successfully last generation, and Sony did it during the PS2 era.

Sony might have two iterations like the vita, but i doubt it. This is exactly why Sony chose additions, rather then revisions. Mark my words, Sony is launching with a price friendly number.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:11:24 AM
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I got no problem whatsoever with that price. Rather the best machine than the lowest price.

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Gamer46
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:14:38 AM
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PS4 is the only next-gen console I have any interest in right now, I'm hoping no more than $400 but I could see it being in the $450-$500 range. Seeing as how badly 3DS, Wii U and Vita struggled at launch though, with price being among the biggest complaints for each, I'm concerned about how PS4 will fare regardless of price.

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touchyourtoes
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 1:31:59 AM
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I wonder if there will be supply shortages with the PS4 launch. I would just preorder 2 or 3 of them and sell 1 or 2 on ebay for a hefty profit and not worry about the price of the machine. It happened with PS2 and PS3, I wonder if it'll happen again?

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___________
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 3:42:40 AM
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no one can answer that question, because no one knows what the money is for.
for a console with 1% more power than the ps3?
F*CK NO!
for a console with 10 times more?
F*CK YES!

more important question though is will it be region free, and will it pull the 1PSN account per system BS ala vita?
no freaking way in hell am i waiting till next year, so im hoping this will be region free and will allow people to use multiple PSN accounts.
ended up importing the vita oh boy was that a mistake!
ended up buying so many games, most which were only in japanese, and i cant play them because you can only have 1 account signed to each memory card.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 6:47:22 AM

As far as I recall certain details regarding the PSN logons has already been revealed. There can even be multiple accounts logged on at the same time if several are playing on the same machine, so that each will get their trophys and save their progress.

... And we *know* it's not 1% more power than then PS3 so why even bother saying such nonsense.

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___________
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 8:25:46 AM

you get the point dude, no one can say if its worth that price because no one knows what it will offer.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 8:53:28 AM

If we knew *nothing* I'd agree. But it's safe to assume that the specs are roughly what is rumored at this stage.

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___________
Friday, February 08, 2013 @ 8:55:49 AM

yes, but how is that going to transfer into the games.
are the development kits and tools all over the place thus wasting power, like what originally happened with the ps3?
or has $ony finally learned to support their third parties properly?
how much resources is the OS reserving?
just because we know the rumored specs of the system, does not mean we know anything we still know jack because we dont know how thats going to translate!

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Hand_of_Sorrow
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 7:18:45 AM
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i paid $600 for my first ps3 and had no regrets.
so i'd gladly pay the $499 for the ps4.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 9:05:42 AM
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I think PS1 was $400, I know I paid that for my Saturn when I was still hoping Sega would survive. Coulda been $300 though, Highlander would remember.

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JCARROLL
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 9:50:46 AM

It was $299
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NS30uwn2Xg&list=PL7167CA33A18D17A9&index=1

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Temjin001
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 9:59:57 AM

Temjin remembers ;)
$400 Saturn May 2005
$300 PSX sept 2005

Fun fact: The Saturn was originally set to launch after the PSX on 'Saturn-day' a couple weeks later than the PSX. Because Sega thought it Sooo important to beat Sony to the market they quickly rushed it out in May of that year instead.
....... We all know how that plan ended, didn't work either for the Dreamcast. And the Dreamcast actually had many great games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 3:13:55 PM

When I'm rich I'm gonna buy all my old consoles back. Loved Saturn, but then Playstation got all the games in some kind of insane landslide takeover of the industry. Love my 'stations but Saturn and Dreamcast always rendered cleaner graphics at higher FPS.

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gumbi
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 9:14:52 AM
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Call my crazy, but I'm actually kind of relieved to see that it might be $450 - $500. I was really worried that Sony would cheap out and shoot for a $300 console... and we'd get what we paid for.

Now, as long as it's worth that $450 - $500 price tag, then I have no beef with it.

I wait for the 20th with bated breath.

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DjEezzy
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 9:27:54 AM
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There was a 40gb model as well right? Maybe not at launch but shortly after that? I could be totally wrong but i could swear that my brother got a 40gb model that didn't have 4 usb or sd card readers. This was a long time ago mind you. I could be way off.

As far as this goes. I really hope it would sell for something more around $450. I think that is a perfect price. Oh and is anyone excited that alot of developers are saying the new sony system is going to be the go to platform for developing games the upcoming generation. I guess they're saying the new ui and os are much more user friendly than the new xbox. Of course this is rumor but if it's true i'm super excited that ps brand won't get gimped versions of multiplat games. Pretty sweet!!!

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duomaxwell007
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 9:52:29 AM
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i hope its not 499... 399 sure but 499.. no

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wackazoa
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 10:26:24 AM
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The hell is wrong with Japans monetary system! 40,000 yen = $400ish US? Thats freaking nuts. So do their millionaires have to have like a trillion yen? And what is their countries annual budget a google?

I digress... I'd like it to be cheaper than $400 when I buy it. I dont think they would lose money at that price considering the outdated hardware they are using.(Outdated for PC anyway) But whatever they charge, in the US anyway, it should be a good barometer of wether our economy is back or not.

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slugga_status
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 11:04:47 AM
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I've been through 3 xbox 360s and 3 PS3s..Needless to say I'm not worried about the cost of the PS4. I just want it to last w/o breaking down on me.

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DrRockso87
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 11:38:24 AM
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Base model should be no more than $400. Deluxe model can be $450 but anything more than $400 for a PS4 at launch would be suicidal of Sony. Just look at the PSVita.

Also, Sony, seriously, I love my PS3 but DON'T, I repeat, DON'T be so arrogant this time around. You were riding high on PSOne and PS2 sales so you deliberately designed your console difficult to develop for so developers would have to develop for the PS3 and port to the 360

I'm not joking. Kazuo Hirai admitted it was on purpose to secure developers would develop primarily for the PS3 and that backfired with many of them switching to 360/Wii or handhelds. Make it developer-friendly, Sony.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 11:47:55 AM
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Personally, I'm good with $500. It's less than the PS3 (and with 6-7 years of inflation, we should be even more thankful) and it still shows that the machine might be highly capable.

If it was less, I'd be worried that it'd be more like a "PlayStation U," as I mentioned before. And if it was more, I'd be concerned about a repeat of history.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 2:02:08 PM

Exactly.
The price is right for a machine that's right, launched at the right time.

There's *every* reason to be optimistic at this stage.

Last edited by Beamboom on 2/7/2013 2:02:19 PM

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JROD0823
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:53:50 PM
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I would be able to easily afford $500-$600 at launch, but if Sony wants to gain an early foothold in the market on Microsoft, they would be crazy to sell the PS4 for more than $399.

Sony definitely needs to price the PS4 at a maximum as expensive as what the 720 will retail for, or they will only be shooting themselves in the foot again this generation.

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PHOENIXZERO
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 3:16:06 PM
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Who is hitting the meth thinking the PS4 is going to be $500? The same ones who expected the Vita to cost $350+ on the hardware alone? The only way it reaches that is if it's the "premium" version and even still it stands to reason that the $400 model would be the premium with the other having a smaller HDD at $349.99. Sony will still be taking the loss leader approach but the costs vs price gap is going to be much smaller this time compared to what it was with the PS3 and its $800+ production costs. A major part of that $800 was Blu-Ray and Cell which IIRC made up well over HALF the PS3's initial manufacturing costs, neither of which is going to be a factor this time with BR drives being much, much, MUCH closer now to DVD drive levels.

It's going to be $399.99, end of story. There is absolutely nothing in the PS4 in terms of hardware that would bring about a higher price tag.

Last edited by PHOENIXZERO on 2/7/2013 3:17:00 PM

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Jaylynn
Friday, February 08, 2013 @ 7:17:36 PM
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I think someone said it already but if not I think $399 would be a great price for the PS4. I know Sony wants to get their new toy into as many homes as possible day one so why not. $499 is a bit to much and I don't mind paying it but I'll wait to get the PS4.

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gruvsf
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 2:24:55 PM
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that would determine what the strength/weakness of the yen is at the time of launch. Just a few months ago, the yen was at 85Y/$1USD. Today, it is sitting at 93.6 and rising, so if it hits 100Y/$1USD, then 40,000Y is only $400USD

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Omnipro
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 4:12:11 PM
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Just like the PS3 I will wait 2-3 years and buy it when it is cheaper and all the bugs are worked out in later revisions. Plus I am sooooo backed up on unplayed PS3 games. (Darn Job,TV,Movies,Internet, and MMOS).
If they release it for $199 with purchase of 4yr PS+ contract I may get it early.

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Crabba
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 5:05:16 PM
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Why do people keep forgetting the fact that the PS3 20GB was $499 at launch?? I should know, because that's what I paid for it.

For some reason people look at the 60GB as the only launch sku...

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MasterGT
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 3:10:51 PM
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I think it is also less likely, today, that the hardware will be sold under cost as much as they used to be, so I am not expecting a huge bargain on release.

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Draven929
Wednesday, February 13, 2013 @ 11:45:30 PM
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All great points in here about the price, but what concerns me the most is what will the games be priced at. With every new system they jack up the game prices when in my opinion they don't need to. The man hours behind the game do not radically change, yes visuals improve. but so do their tools to build the games. I personally will not be able to build a good size library if games cost more than $60 USD. And I truely hope they do not impliment the console blocking used games. I personally like to try before I buy. Just my two cents...

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