Rumor: PS4 Codenamed "Orbis," Will Release In 2013

Jawknee
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:29:07 PM
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I'm not much of a supporter of used games but prohibiting used games would be a disaster for a new console.

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telly
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:23:26 PM

Not sure I agree with that -- I think if they make new/legal store and download purchases super user-friendly I think it could do quite well actually, especially if they find a way to keep prices lower. Gamespot, et al don't want to share one penny of used game sales with Sony, Microsoft, etc.? Ok, they're not going to let full versions of used games run on the devices. I like this move.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:23:38 PM

Absolutely would. Considering a good number of people either can't afford new or don't have the internet this isn't a good business strategy.

Telly- why would Gamestop as a business ever share used sales with Sony or MS? It's their revenue. The only time this would even be a any type of issue and it would be small mind you, is if SCEA were the publishers.

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telly
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:31:35 PM

Well, it's generally about a $5 difference between used game prices, perhaps $10, at Gamestop. I think people could find a way to scrounge that extra five dollars together. I think it's more the entitlement issue that would be a potential problem for Sony -- gamers screaming that they not only have the right to buy used games, but that Sony "HAS NO RIGHT" to tack on a price tag of some sort for those who choose to buy those used games, and literally freaking out to the point of refusing to play video games anymore in protest to this OUTRAGE.

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telly
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:34:16 PM

@bigrailer, the big publishers have asked them to, and you're right, Gamestop did not feel the need to give them anything. But because they did not, Sony and Microsoft (wanna bet on Nintendo too?) are devising similar mechanisms to get money from used game buyers. Gamestop has the right to keep all used game sales to themselves -- and Sony and Microsoft have every right to respond as they are with these new mechanisms. Simple as that.

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xenris
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:18:16 PM

If they are going to do this they better drop the prices. Games on steam are typically cheaper because A you can't trade them you own them forever, and B you don't own the physical copy.

If they want it so they are getting all the money make things cheaper so people are less likely to buy things used. Games shouldn't be more than 49.99 yeah thats only 10 dollars cheaper but still that should be the absolute most. Especially with the BS DLC practices that we are getting these days.

I think this whole thing is a load though. I'm sure its just a huge rumour.

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Palpatations911
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:29:31 PM

What is stopping them from preventing used movie playback and having us download our movies from the PSN Store or Video Unlimited?

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telly
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:39:11 PM

@xenris, Steam is a great model to follow -- cheap, super user-friendly, tons of content, fun to use, etc. As Valve proudly says, they don't have a problem with used games or piracy because their serve is so great gamers CHOOSE to pay to use it instead of getting the games other ways. Retail copies of games aren't going anywhere right away but clearly Sony would benefit from a robust online service like Steam.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:42:03 PM

Telly-

People buying used games for $5 less than retail because that's what Gamestop charges doesn't happen all the time, in fact I would be comfortable betting most people are smarter than that. I know people do it though otherwise Gamestop would have to adjust prices. But there are other means of buying used games. If I buy used I buy from glyde and will save a lot of money even with shipping involved. I won't buy use from Gamestop for the reason you pointed out. So yes not being able to afford a game at retail is still a
Concern and still a concern when Gamestop charges $55, because Gamestop isn't the only place charging for used games. Even gamely sells there games for a good discount. Gamestop is just greedy that's why they getthe attention and you would associate used games being at their pricing standards.

Sony and Microsoft have no right though to ask Gamestop to share revenue. They CAN ask but they shouldn't expect anything. Sony and MS shouldn't limit there console to this standard though that's the issue, I don't really care if they are making a profit from used games, it's a business.

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buckoboy1
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 6:53:08 PM

I agree, what about the gamers who are dissapointed in a game, go to sell the game on ebay and can only sell a game that we bought for 60+ dollars for what, 5 bucks? due to the codes probably costing a solid 20+ dollars. I really think this is a stupid decidion for any game company to make. Shun them! SHUN THEM ALL TO HELLLLLLLL!

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telly
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 10:51:49 AM

@big railer, fair points.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 11:52:57 AM

I'll be honest. I will not support a system that does this.

I feel that if I buy a game and don't like it, that I should be able to sell it. The argument that these companies are losing money is ridiculous! They are selling more games than they have ever sold in the past, and they have DLC as an additional revenue stream. It costs them NO MORE to front the server costs of supporting a game that I choose to actively play for 2 years, vs if I play it for a month and a half, sell it, and then it's played for 2 months, then sold, and played for another month after sitting on a store shelf for a week... and so on.

Additionally... Some people have pointed out that companies like Gamestop sell preowned titles for often only $5-10 less than new... well, you have to recall that not everyone gets games at launch. Some people wait till the price drops passed a certain comfort point. Some people have Gamestop's discount card, which works on preowned stuff. The problem with waiting for price drops, is developers often make a set number of pressings for a disc, then stop. Without preowned sales, many people may loose the opportunity to get these games if they either waited too long for a price drop or did not know of a game that would have interested them.

Developers and publishers are just trying to spin every used sale as a potential new sale. If GM, Ford, or Chrysler ever did this in the car market... prohibiting used auto sales by tying the functionality of a car to it's first registered owner... The American auto industry would die with that generation of cars as everyone ran to foreign makers.

The argument that these companies even have the right to do this all argues down to legalese. They say they only license the game code for your use, and that you do not own it... But you DO OWN the medium it is distributed on. It's why DLC does not have a used market. Legal statements or software that bar my ability to sell a disc are NOT okay with me. They could theoretically say in the EULA that you agree to not sell the disc, but that treads difficult legal waters that they do not want to risk crossing in court. Since they actually CAN'T bar you from selling the software without taking the risk of the act potentially being deemed unenforceable by a court, they are attempting to do the next best thing in their favor...

They are turning the discs into demo discs if you weren't the first user...

That is ALL KINDS of suck!!!

They are basically tying the lockout into the software, the same way Online Passes are. This DOES allow you to sell the disc, but it's value is greatly diminished. It does not tread those dangerous legal waters, and poses no risk to Sony. Sadly, there is little that can be done to fight such a decision, save for two things... Vote with your wallet, or set sail on the high seas of the web as a pirate. The first deprives you of a game to deprive Sony, and the second is unethical... Of course, I consider the underhanded loophole of online passes and this first buyer lock in BS to be unethical!

What's worse, is these Japanese companies Like Sony, or companies based in urban centers (like every large game company), have failed to realize one thing...

The world is not yet fully wired into broadband, and not everyone has the money to go online. The cost of internet is abhorrent in some places. The cheapest internet in my area is still about $44 a month for broadband... and that's slow, like 1 Mbit. That service is only available a short distance from the edge of town. after that, you are talking wireless services that clock in at 128 Kbit, and it's more expensive than the in town economy! Get further out into the country, and you are still limited to 56K dial up. There ARE NO SERVICES out there!!!

Sony and other companies need to realize that the rest of the world isn't as wired as Japan. We don't all have 3G service. We don't all have broadband.

Requiring a system to be online is the worst kind of technological discrimination I can imagine. I work at a Gamestop. I have turned HALF of our potential PC game buyers away, telling them, not that it's not in stock, but if they buy a particular title, they will waste their money, because they will never be able to play it in their rural location, thanks to the bastards who made the game demanding an always on internet connection to verify that the player is not a pirate.

I always tell them to contact these companies to inform them that their business practices are discriminatory against those who can not afford broadband internet, or who geographically are prevented from being able to have access to it.

So no...

I don't care what Sony or Microsoft's next system can do... If it does these two things (Prohibits preowned games from playing, and requires an active internet connection to authorize owned games), I will not support it.

I will put my money into a PC instead. At least if I'm to be saddled with resale prohibitions, I should at least be able to spend my money on something that'll get me some other uses.

Screw Sony if they do this!

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Highlander
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:09:41 PM

Um...Richfiles, can I just prick your little bubble of Japan hate. Sony has stuck by physical media far more than the American company Microsoft. MS has been pitching digital distribution since 2006 when they realized that BluRay would beat HD-DVD and they needed a new stick with which to beat it.

I mean, I totally agree that digital is the future, but until the world is flood wired with optical fiber, physical media has to remain an option. Sony knows this, that's why Vita games come on cartridges.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:30:41 PM

@ Highlander...

Umm... Did you not read the part about requiring online persistence to verify the game license is authenticated, even with physical media...

THAT is what I was talking about, and I didn't limit my comments to sony. I mentioned all game developer in urban areas (pretty much nearly all of them). It think there is city named Redmond that has a rather big company that is rumored to be doing the same.

So... yeah... Japan hate is ALL in YOUR head.

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berserk
Friday, March 30, 2012 @ 3:19:43 AM

Not necessarily , it might be like some game now where you have to pay 10 ( online pass )to experience the full game .

Those games are mostly sold for 10 less even at gamestop ( those recently released game sold 45 used instead of the usual 55 at gamestop for example ).

So paying a fee for the full game won t matter much if it s a reasonable one .

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Highlander
Friday, March 30, 2012 @ 9:55:23 AM

Yeah, well, no. Richfiles, I read multiple of your posts and you have a problem with Japan, so, all in your head be it.

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tlpn99
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:29:53 PM
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Hopefully this is not the case about the pre owned games. A lot of people cannot afford to buy every single game brand new.

Is this going to be the same on the Xbox720 or Durango ?

If that's the case then I am afraid I may not even buy the new PS3/Xbox. If they do do this I think it could be a silly move as there maybe more people like myself who will just stick to the good ole PS3/Xbox. Heck I may even go back to online gaming on a PC.

How many from this site would buy it even if it meant no pre owned games ?

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Fabi
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:35:42 PM

I'm with you. I'll stick to my PS3 and my Vita if that will be the case.

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:33:41 PM

I'm with you too also. I hope some of these rumors is false.

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:36:08 PM

I would not buy a PC pretending to be a console. If they go that route, they've lost this Playstation user. If I want a fast PC I'll buy a decent laptop.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:13:30 PM

I think you're being rediculous Highlander. Thought I'd share that ;)

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:25:17 PM

Why ridiculous? because I'd rather buy an ungimped PC I can upgrade instead of a closed box I can't? whatever.

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Shams
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:52:54 PM

Pricing of new games seems to drop faster at stores like Target and online shops like Amazon, than the pricing of used games at Gamestop.

So, even if the used game market was totally done away with, it would be no skin off my back.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 6:22:34 PM

I'd buy it cus most of my games are bought new anyways. Especially the games I know I'll be getting and really want. So yes I would in fact still be a consumer.

What frustrates me about this though is as a consumer they would seriously be limiting their sales. I will stick up for the little guy who saved and saved to get a PS4 only to find out the games he/she borrows from a friend or rents won't work. That's not right, and developers will lose sole revenue also, from businesses like rental stores and gamely etc... Who buy lots of games to provide to their customers.

Idk, it seems like an illegitimate rumor to me. I don't know any company that would limit it's success that much. Sony isnt making tons of money of the limited games they publish. They are making money from the consoles to play those games on.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 6:53:18 PM

Highlander, I suppose if the x86 CPU does become reality, yourself and anyone else who thinks as you do will disappear from these boards in due time so it doesn't really matter to argue against your rediculous resolve. BTW, you'd better avoid Rage on PC, I haven't been able to get it to run since the day I got it ;)

Sincerely, I hope you come to your senses within the next few days or weeks and realize that gaming on a Playststion should mean a lot more than the processors that power them.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 9:59:32 PM

Rage works perfectly fine on PC. Day one it didn't since the wrong version was released on Steam, which is the version I have, but the patch fixed it. I have since played and finished the game as has countless others. So may want to look at your system instead of simply saying a game doesn't work.

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 10:47:44 PM

Well, if you want to trade barbs, I find your relatively blind faith and acceptance of the x86 future just as ridiculous, especially considering the rate at which ARM processors are chewing up the market. But, whatever.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 10:56:55 PM

Rage had lots of ongoing problems for PC users, don't pretend it didn't. And they sure as heck were not resolved for everyone day 1.

My problem still hasn't been resolved because of HP. The game has many known issues with the 6770m graphics chipset, largely because of it's switchable graphics between the i5's graphics chip and ATI's own chip. I'm at the mercy of HP, waiting patiently for them to release their exclusive ATI driver, made availible only through them. I've read there's ways around it. I've gone into my BIOS and switched my graphics to FIXED, but that doesn't help. If you happen to know, I'd appreciate it =)

I have a dv6 HP laptop

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 11:04:17 PM

Highlander, we're just not going to see eye to eye on this. Catch you around somewhere else I guess ;)

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 11:17:25 PM

Temjin I've worked with, built and programmed for PCs since 1984. The x86 architecture and instruction set has had it's day, it's had someone else's day, and then another couple of people's days as well. It's old, tired and cancerous. It's had so many extensions and extras bolted on it's behind, it's butt extends into an entirely different dimension. As for the PC architecture in general, it's as general purpose as you can get. I find it old, tired and boring in the extreme. The prospect of an 'exciting' new console being based on either technology is about as thrilling to me as going to Sears to buy a Kenmore dishwasher. You can call me a technophile, a geek or whatever, but part of the reason for sticking with PlayStation has been their technology which has always been second to none. A PlayStation based on the 'leaked' information is second to every high end PC available on day 1. Exciting, not.

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KingRed
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:44:23 PM

We can also say goodbye gamefly. Unless they make a deal wit MS and Sony.

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Ignitus
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 1:53:52 PM

If this turns out to be true, I'm also sticking just to my PS3/360. What's the point? Why buy more disc or downloadable games if I won't be able to play them on the next hardware generation?

If this happens, I think I will switch to STEAM next gen. They have way more offers or sales, the PC can do way more than just gaming, it's upgradable and it's tax deductable. Mmm, I think I shoould have jumped a couple of years ago. ;)

Let's see how things turn out.

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Crabba
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:05:57 PM

Highlander: 'The prospect of an 'exciting' new console being based on either technology is about as thrilling to me as going to Sears to buy a Kenmore dishwasher'

Lol, that's just hilarious.. and unfortunately true if the rumor would be correct.

Another thing, considering the new Xbox would be guaranteed to be based on the same architecture as the xbox 360 it would basically be guaranteed to have full bc compatibility, meaning they would have a SERIOUS advantage over the ps4 if the ps4 didn't....

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wackazoa
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:33:58 PM
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Well with Quantum Dynamics saying that the PS3 still has alot of life left (seeming to indicate they intend to work with only the PS3 in the near future) and the current state of the economy, I dont see the 2013 launch date going extremely well. Not to say it wont sell, but Im sure givin the choice between a new system and a few games versus a old system with all of your old games plus some developers still producing for the PS3, I dont think the number will be great. I for one cant afford nor will I buy a new system right away.

Now if they were to do a deal with Activision whereas they put out the new PS4 and the new Call o Duty then they will sell tremendous Im sure. And I will have to somehow figure out how to get some money for the idea.... your welcome Sony.

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swapnilgyani
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:16:10 PM

Quantum Dynamics? Ah, the guys who made Hefty Snowfall...

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:36:38 PM
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Wow, yeah. For me the timing is perfect. I'll plan to pick one up early 2014 when I'm done with school.

I'm really hoping the GPU is around the AMD 7850 in processing, as indicated by the Southern Islands family. While falling short of the 10x performance jump Sweeney said was necesssary to run The Samaritin Demo 1080p 30fps, a 7x jump in GFLOPS should be enough to give us that quality within reason, perhaps at a 900p res.

Anyway, it's semi-exciting. I'm really trying to buckle down my enthusiasm for the next-gen because of my personal concerns regarding the expression of the medium. Recalling the art topic, how expressively free are games if they're constrained to be formed only to popular appeal? Ultra high budget games to me seems like safe bets, a game for everyone of a target age.

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wackazoa
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:38:10 PM
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Something else too. Bethesda has said it will expand Skyrim via DLC. But if Sony debuts a new system I tend to think that Skyrim DLC will be put on a backburner. And what of other games such as AC3 which surely is being made with DLC in mind. Or EA's new Medal of Honor. I dont think that release date is correct because to many big games are in the works and they would lose the DLC money.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:41:25 PM
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I doubt it. At least it's not about ff7 remake rumor.

Thanks.

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Underdog15
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 9:53:46 AM

Can you go find the last FF7 remake rumor article for me? I can't remember one in recent memory.

Go ahead. Find it.

Or was this post just ridiculous, afterall?

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:45:12 PM
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I truly hope that some of this information isn't 100% true. I'm growing to live with the fact that the used game market (and eventually Gamestop) will be radically different or go the way of the dodo next generation, but the no backwards capability as well is kind of a bummer for me. I have grown my library of games to be pretty big within a little over 2 years of owning the PS3.

After all the talking Sony/QD/NaughtyDog have done recently talking up the staying power of the PS3, I don't know why they would release a new system in such a short amount of time. Specifically a system that you can't play these un-released (and unnanounced) PS3 games on.

Have to play a wait and see approach, but at this point Sony is going to have absolutely give me more than a few reasons to buy PS4 within their "launch window", or anytime in the near future.

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:07:59 PM

Such a 'system' would be little more than a closed architecture PC. Why would Sony, of all people, do that?

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:11:28 PM

Whether it's AMD CPU, or not, I think what is important are the games. Sony has some strong franchises that few can compete with. This isn't just because of their technical prowess but an effort to make high quality gaming entertainment. I say, considering the market, it's probably best they stick to mainstream chips and put their unique efforts towards quality games.

And I'm still waiting for my Cell driven toaster ;p

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:23:55 PM

that's all fine and well, but a PC dressed up as a console is just a PC. As soon as regular PC specs passed the console by, how could you differentiate the devices?

Aside from the fact that I think the x86 instruction set is a pig, and the architecture should have been shot a long time ago, I really will not buy a Sony badged PC claiming to be a console. I'll buy Nintendo before doing that.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:26:20 PM

@Temjin001

Yes, the games count. The games are why we buy these expensive machines... But what games will there be for the rural owners or the poor owners who must scrimp and save every penny to just afford the machine, and either live too remotely to have access to broadband, or can't afford it? They won't BE customers at all, because the new model discriminates against them.

I hate games and the companies behind them that require persistent connections with a PASSION.

I turn away HALF of my potential PC gamer customers, simply because they fail the "Do you have broadband internet?" question.

You'd also not believe the number of casual gamers and families who DON'T have internet access because they don't care about online gaming, or they don't want the kids exposed to the darker parts of the web.

The world isn't as wired as Japan, and Sony does not understand this.

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Temjin001
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 4:17:34 PM

Well, hopefully they figure something out for you guys, Richfiles.
I think before anyone freaks we need to wait and see what is officially announced by Sony, then the crap can hit the fan if it's ill favored.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:47:52 PM
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I wouldn't be too concerned about the used-game rumors. While I'm sure there'll be some sort of measures in place to dampen it's appeal, I very much doubt we'll see the end of it all. I'm speculating something like a $5-10 fee to transfer a license from one account to the next, hopefully killing the whole online game pass thing altogether. Also, I see this just kicking back at Gamestops etc., because they'll be placed in position to lower their average used game price, at least $10-15 below NEW. So if I'm right, gamers may not be spending more for used games. The only thing that changes, is who gets what ammount of the resale. This may be healthiest for SOny afterall, perhaps allowing them to increase game budgets across the board.

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telly
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:25:44 PM

I think you're on the right trail here.

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Bigimpactpooch
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:51:21 PM
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That means I can't even barrow a game from a friend??

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H0TSHELLZ
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 12:57:27 PM
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What happens to Gamefly and Redbox lol...

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:31:44 PM

RedBox will be fine. They just barely started renting games.

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:34:50 PM

gamers are too smart to stand in designated mugging zones (aka near a redbox vending site) anyway.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:02:05 PM
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It seems like all those who played games on someone elses buck are in for a rude awakening.

No one, I mean no one should be surprised over this move by Sony and Microsoft for their next generation consoles.

I rarely buy used games anyways, nor do I borrow games from friends, so this doesn't affect me one bit.

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JackDillinger89
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:58:55 PM

You say rarely as in you have in the past and may still do occasionally (buy used games). Nothing wrong with borrowing games from friends as im sure most of us do it all the time. Hell we been doing this since the super nintendo days swapping games with friends. Thats what i call freedom. Me personally i buy all my games new and when im done playing em then i sell it. No point of keeping it if im not going to play it. And games i dont buy that a friend of mine has ill borrow it from him/her. We as gamers should have that right. Look at all the developers that cry about the used games industry are the same developers that developed floped mediocre games.

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Highlander
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:07:10 PM
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The Kotaku information from a 'source' isn't entirely reliable, and I hate to say it, but is old news. Kotaku have been pushing this x86 Playstation rumor for a couple of weeks now, but there has been no confirmation or shred of support from anywhere else. Everything up to this point has pointed in an entirely different direction.

Let's be honest though, an x86 architecture with an AMD GPU, what the crap is the difference between that and a PC? If you're making a game console and all you do is make a closed architecture PC, you're dooming yourself to oblivion since the PC will not stand still for 6 years and games written for your console will port easily to PC which will within 18 months of the console's release surpass it's performance.

What a freaking stupid idea that is.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:10:29 PM

Knowing Kotaku, it could even be an attempt to drum up pre-hate bias for PS4.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:09:51 PM
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That all sounds like a giant heap of speculation.

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telly
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:08:34 PM

Yes, but I think the used game restrictions are going to be true in some form. All these rumors across numerous upcoming consoles and different gaming sites seems to suggest something is coming.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:21:11 PM

Maybe it's true speculation, but I can tell you right now they haven't figured out what to do and how to do it yet. The hardware isn't even decided on, let alone the security measures that will be taken.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:58:14 PM

I agree, I think these Rumors are exactly that.

2013 for a new PS is way too soon.

I think this generation will go longer then the last, I mean I have owned my PS3 since the midnight launch 5 years ago. and I can honestly say that I don't want to buy a new console, because i am not finished with my PS3 yet. I am not ready for something new.

Is it impossible for the gaming industry to apply the same publisher percentages to used games that new games are subject to?

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Fox hounder
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:16:17 PM
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This is the worst PS4 rumor yet!

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Godslim
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:34:39 PM
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yeh not allowing second hand games wont be good at all

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Metal Head
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:46:03 PM
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No backwards compatible means not buying it for a long time. I'm a big Sony fan, but if this is true I'm taking a break from gaming. I have a huge PS2 library and now a huge PS3 library what I'm going to do when PS3 and PS2 get cancel. Buy them again from PSN. I don't mind restricting used games. As long as games cost less. What if I have more than one account, will I have to buy another copy. Why bother creating a console if is going to be exactly as a computer.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:47:16 PM
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Sometimes it seems that details such as these are leaked in order to assess how the market may react to such drastic changes. At least I hope so because im not liking what I am hearing so far. I usually buy new but the used game market is obviously very lucrative. What dev wouldn't want a peice of that pie. Keep sending those surveys Sony. Find out what your customers really want before you slip off the slippery slope that eliminating used games will create.

The gaming industry is set to grow exponentially. It may seem alien to us in a few years.

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Twistedfloyd
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 1:53:30 PM
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I don't buy used games and as someone studying for and trying to break into the industry, I want to be compensated for the work I do. The consumer should be entitled to get the best value for their money, but the publisher and the developer, the people who make the freaking games get no compensation for it, if the game is bought used.

So the online pass is a product of that. It isn't publishers saying F you to the used game consumer, it's a way for the people who poured absurd amounts of man and woman hours into something to get compensation for their efforts.

If the PS4 does this, it would continually alienate those who oppose the online pass even more. So that could hurt business over all.

The whole used game market just doesn't work for the developers, but I totally understand where used game buyers come from. Games are absurdly expensive. Doesn't seem that right now with the current business plan, that either sides will be happy. Developers and publishers will be upset over losing money, and consumers will continuously complain about how games are too expensive.

Something needs to happen to shake this up or it will continually hurt both sides.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:02:43 PM

If they want legitimate compensation they should talk to their publishers, they are the ones cashing in on online passes, not the devs.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:49:10 PM

If I play a game actively for 2 years on and off, or if 8 people play it on an off as it gets passed around for the same amount of time... How are you loosing money? You assume every used sale is a lost new sale. I guarantee you that most of those used sales are going to be when the game has price dropped, and I guarantee, most of those customers would not have bought the game at full price. Your server loads are not significantly different between if I actively play for a long time, vs if a few people each play a short time. If the game has DLC, each person who buys it, if they get DLC content, creates new revenue, after the initial sale.

So yeah. I do not buy that argument.

Should the assembly line worker at GM, or their management, be compensated every time a used Chevy sells at an auto lot, or when someone puts an ad in the paper to sell it?

God! All these software dev guys are just so full of themselves!

Software devs are no better than the rest of the manufacturing world, yet they all still demand more from us!

Here's what devs and publishers and game makers will get from me for pushing this on the new system... I'll catch up with the HOARD of PS2 and PS3 and 360 and Wii games that I've yet to play and SKIP the next gen of games all together. You know, cause no one compensated me back at my old manufacturing job whenever one of our products got resold, and I didn't have enough money to get the next gen system.

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Oyashiro
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:17:06 PM
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Kotaku and a secret un-named source that has heaps of insider information?

I wonder if its the same source that said all Vita games were cancelled?

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Fane1024
Friday, March 30, 2012 @ 1:49:39 AM

I thought everyone knew that "Kotaku" was Japanese for bull****.

:D

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Mr Bubbles IGR
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:18:28 PM
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If you did have to pay more to "unlock" the used game then gamestop would more than likely have to lower their prices on their used games or include the extra fee free of charge. If they dont then they'll be hurting in sales, I dont ever go there anyway.
For new games, I'd just wait till the game dropped in price or has a major sale before I'd buy.

Last edited by Mr Bubbles IGR on 3/28/2012 2:19:20 PM

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Shams
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:06:53 PM

Das is true. Prices for new games at stores like Target and Amazon seem to drop faster than prices of used games Gamestop. Exceptions are with really old games, or crap games. They can bottom out at around 5 bucks used at Gamestop, while continuing to sell for $20 new or so everywhere.

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anjpikapp3
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:26:30 PM
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I understand the whole used game issue...My girlfriend just bought me a Vita (surprised the crap out of me-but shes awesome...and I know she really wanted to play the new uncharted) but she got it from Gamestop. And just to show how much I hate used games and what companies do to take advantage of kids who have no money I returned it just to buy one from the Sony Style store near by.

With that said, I hope they implement this and slow down the crazy profits that the used game stores are making. It crazy to me that gamers are even letting them buy games at less then half value just to buy another used game at 3X's the cost ($5 off). I see that some people are saying they cant afford the games new...my response is that every hobby is expensive. If you think gaming is expensive, try something else...there's hunting, fishing, driving/racing, RC's, golf, knitting and so on....but chances are those are even more expensive (okay maybe not knitting).

As for the rumor...I hope they wait at least a 2 more years before they release a new console.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:59:50 PM

You act like this only effects Gamestop type stores...
That's short sighted.

What about a person who buys a title new, only to discover it was NOTHING like they expected. They can't sell it at a garage sale, on ebay, or even to a friend who stood next to them saying "what, I don't get why you don't like it, I think it looks awesome!", without having a significant portion of the game's value stripped due to the fact that the buyer can't use the game without spending additional money.

I am dumbfounded by the arrogance of the gaming industry to think they deserve some kind of entitlement, when no other manufactured good industry suffers from this.

I have two jobs. One working at a Gamestop, the other in manufacturing. If I make a product and sell it, I do NOT EXPECT compensation if the customer resells the product. To expect such a thing is ABSURD, and I would be laughed at for suggesting the possibility even in my industry! As for Gamestop... Even though I work there, I rarely EVER trade games at Gamestop. No one is FORCING YOU!!! If I DO want to sell a game, I offer it first to my friends, and then look at ebay or amazon. I get better prices there.

You would want to spite every person like me who is screwed with a game they don't like, JUST TO SPITE GAMESTOP!!!

WAT!!! /)OoO(\

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gumbi
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:43:20 PM
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So, game rental services are pretty much screwed next gen. Unless they come up with a system of purchasing a rental code from the publisher that's good for 5 - 7 days once activated and then expires when the rental period is up.

I have a couple friends who I swap games with and I'm not keen on the idea of losing that option. I suppose that as long as this 'licensing' fee isn't too ridiculous then I'd be fine with buying a $5 - $10 license to play a borrowed game. Then my friends and I still save some cash, and the publishers still get their cut.

As for backwards compatibility: It's a damn shame, but of course they're not doing backwards compatibility anymore. They've discovered this awesome cash cow of remastering games from the previous gen, or just making them available on PSN so we buy them again! Also, backwards compatibility gives consumers less reasons to buy more because they can keep playing old games on new hardware, the exact opposite of what Sony wants. By taking away our ability to play old games, they're encouraging us to buy new ones. It sucks, but it's business.

I've still got a whole lot of PS3'ing left to do, and a huge backlog of games to play. So if PS4 doesn't have BC, then for the first time in 4 Sony consoles I won't be an early adopter.

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e1stclass
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 2:46:43 PM
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I have ps2 titiles I still play and ps3 still funtions great. Psp handles handles my cravings for a game while in transit or away from console. dvd plays on my p2, bluerays on my ps3. Yes, I buy used games frequently. All said. What reason is there for me to buy a ps4?

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Pandacastro
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:01:43 PM
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I really hope this is a april fools prank.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:17:11 PM
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As a gaming collector as well as an avid player, I hope the rumors aren't true about the non-BC, & hurting used games, because as one of Playstations biggest fans with 19 Playstation consoles & handhelds and well over 1100 of Sony's games(186 just in PS3 games), I certainly won't be buying a PS4.

I'll just start buying every game USED to play on all my current & retro generation consoles/handhelds.

And the same goes for MS's Nexbox Durango if it's also going to be a used games gimper too.

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Laguna
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:23:50 PM
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this is disgusting news....and heartbreaking. How can they possibly think this is a good idea? BC allows people to migrate to the new console!

No used games? I also heard games could go up to $70.

This could be the end of the line for me. I am going through college right now, maybe I will have to leave major gaming behind or migrate to a different console.

Please, please do not be true. good god this has to not be true!

With all those people saying consoles will be extinct soon, news like this makes it certainly seem that they are right!

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telly
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:41:33 PM

For what it's worth, my gaming dropped down big time when I was in college -- between studying, parties, football games, turning 21 and getting to go to bars for the first time, etc., it just wasn't conducive to heavy gaming. I thought I may have outgrown games, frankly, but not long after school I got back into it big time, and have continued to be ever since.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:40:00 PM
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As long as there are physical copies circulating I think they should just leave the used sales market be.

It will be all digital eventually, and that's the death of the used games market anyway. Just look at the iPhone/Android market. 100% digital, 0% used sales. That's where we are heading across all platforms, and from the looks of it, sooner than we might think.

Last edited by Beamboom on 3/28/2012 3:42:57 PM

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anjpikapp3
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:41:06 PM

I agree with you on this however, I feel that in order for this to be a success for consoles, they must make the download faster. Thing with mobile gaming is that it downloads in seconds...you're playing within minutes...for consoles, these games are ginormous and take hours to download. If they can shrink download time, I can see it all going to digital media. Until then, consoles will continue to have physical media.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 6:35:24 PM

You don't get it. Not everyone has the Internet! That's a huge problem! I would think we need to Look at sales figures compared to active accouts online.

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UbiEaActisuck
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 8:36:22 PM

Yeah, a lot of us have a 150 to 250 GB cap on internet per month so the all digital will never work unless they create a partnership with ISPs.

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Beamboom
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:08:54 AM

Raise your head and look ahead guys. I don't talk about today, I talk about tomorrow.

Just go a very few years back and none of us had a constant internet connection on our mobile phones. Today we do. We count the digital download purchases by the millions - daily.

We do not have a full digital distribution of games today because we can't. But that is today. Things will change. It was not too long ago console gamers weren't even used to connect their consoles to the net for multiplayer gaming. Today they are.

The only thing you can be certain of regarding the future is that it will be different than it is today. Times they are a-changing.

Last edited by Beamboom on 3/29/2012 3:12:08 AM

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anjpikapp3
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:53:45 PM

Wait what?!? You don't have internet? how the did you post to this internet forum? and people with out internet should probably get their library card renewed instead of buying a new console... ;)

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JohnnyGold
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 3:53:27 PM
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here's what bothers me: if you buy a game, it is locked to a SINGLE psn account.

so, just to be clear, if me and my wife want to play the single player campaign of say, sly cooper 5, or littlebigplanet3, were EACH going to need to buy the game?

that is the most ridiculous idea i think i have ever heard proposed for the consumption of mass media.

"hey babe, lord of the rings just came from netflix, want to watch it with me?"

"yes"

"cool, heres our credit card. go to netflix.com, sign up, order the disc, and you can watch it in 3-5 business days. love you!"

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Naksy
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:13:51 PM
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No BC... :(

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JackDillinger89
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:14:08 PM
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All this speculation and rumors i feel somewhat will be true. I feel gamers will eventually be feeling alienated. Im kinda feeling gaming industry in general is spiralling downhill. I dont play games as much as i did 2 years ago and i feel eventually i will get tired of it all together. Very few games im willing to shell out $60 for and history ALWASYS repeats itself. Every new generation of consoles the games increased $10. PS1= new $40, PS2=$50, PS3=$60. So PS4= $70! That means used games price average $60-65 at launch. Who can tell me the gaming industry is truly getting better? And if microsoft does plan to realese the next gen xbox next year then expect sony to do the same. Sony said many times they dont want microsoft to beat them to the punch in releasing a new console first. They made that mistake with ps3.

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THEVERDIN
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:15:34 PM
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I'm retired,and have gamefly so I can continue to enjoy my hobby. I wouldn't be able to purchase all the games I've played,and I would surely be pissed if I had to pay $60 for somethibg like Operation Raccoon City which I played for 1hour and sent it back.So they could count me out, this one thing I won't have to adjust my budget for.

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PC_Max
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:52:00 PM
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Okay, I don't have an issue about making people who buy used games pay a minimal fee to access the full game, but making us have to continually be connected to play the damn thing?

Take away the backward compatibility okay, but come on... don't go backwards with accessibility to games we legitimately purchased.

Simplest way is just to have a code with the game that we all have to register one time only, like we do with other software before being able to use it. If its used, we have to buy a new license to play it.

Granted... this may all be bogus until its confirmed when the PS4 launches when ever.

Keep playing!

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fatelementality
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 4:52:02 PM
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Sony needs to stick to allowing used games for their system. It would be a huge advantage since I'm sure Microsoft will take all the money they can. It's horrible that you wouldn't be able to trade/borrow games with friends anymore. If they go the digital/online pass route then they really need to look at something like the Kindle's system which at least lets you lend a book to your friend for a week (or something like that, I don't own a f*****g kindle).

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PharaohJR
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 5:25:32 PM
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cant believe business has came this far with these tactics.... matter of fact i can believe its possible it came this far after all its a matter of capitalising to ensure profit. when hearing this i smh cause the future not looking so bright if any of this is true.

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Palpatations911
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 7:09:09 PM
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Rumor started today. Official announcement on April 1st. Lol.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 1:11:57 PM

Sony is good at those EVIL April 1st announcements...
I'm still sore about the April 1st update that killed my Linux installation.

My PSN comment used to be: GTL:BaladOfGaySony

It's now: LinuxTookSony2Knee

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firesoul453
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 7:11:38 PM
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I don't mind paying a little more for new games but this DRM and online activation are ridicules and I won't support it.

A friend can't borrow a game, you have to have internet, and now once they shut down the server you game is worthless!

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Sogi_Otsa
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 7:16:35 PM
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well... i'm not getting that for a LONG time. i love my PS3, it's gonna take some Star Ocean, Yakuza, Catherine, persona, final fantasy and of course Heavy rain stuff to even make me take it seriously.
no backwards compatibility? pssh no thanks, i already went down that road :/.

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Rogueagent01
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 8:18:50 PM
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I wouldn't have an issue with paying a small fee for purchasing a used game. However it needs to be a small fee, anything over $5 and the devs/pubs will only be losing me as a customer. I have become a fan of a few dozen franchises because of the used game market, and if they make the license to expensive or god forbid do away with used games altogether, then I will most likely never purchase new IPs or games that I am not familiar with again.

Some of these publishers really are greedy! It isn't that I think they are greedy because they want to make money from the used game sector. It is more that they are oblivious to the market share they have gained over the years because of the used game market. Devs/Pubs need to realise how many of them would be out of a job had it not been for the used game market, and how the future of gaming would become remarkably stale as any new ideas would be far to risky.
But whatever if they want to kill the industry go right ahead, I have no problem with playing retro(PS3 and back) games for the rest of my life.

BC would be great but I feel it might go the way of the Dodo. What a shame as it has really brought more life to a system that otherwise could have had an early death(this gen), simply because of the lack of quality games the PS3 had at the beginning. At least make one model that is backwards compatible and charge out the a$$ for it, I can assure you I will buy 2.

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 9:06:30 PM
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Here is a good way to know if a rumour is true or not: if it originates from Kotaku then most likely it's not very true. I have avoided that site for years because they loved to kick the PS3 down the stairs so to speak.

I think totally killing off the used game market would be a disaster. What is strange is it's the companies that are doing great like EA and Ubisoft that are pushing for this. EA has there online passes and day 1 DLC. That's not enough? The online passes I can live with. I understand it costs money to keep the games up and running, I'm not a big fan of of day1 dlc but whatever. It's another stream of revenue for the gaming companies.

Plus, not everybody has their console online. I think in NA it's something like 80% of Ps3's are online. There are areas in Europe that only have 60% of their consoles online. So the gaming industry is goiing to blow off these consumers? Surely there will be a way for people that aren't online to buy a new game and play it...I sure hope so.

As for the PS4...I really wanted Backwards compatabilty but I understand the PS3's unique design makes it tough to pull off. What I really want out of the PS4 is a developer friendly console. Also I think Sony should pack in headset with every PS4 and try to figure out a way to penetrate this social dynamic the 360 has going on in NA that makes all these teenagers go out a buy a 360 just because their friends have one,

Ofcourse I want the PS4 to be more powerful than MS's next system. A good clean launch is vital as well. We all know what the PS3 went through during its launch. I do give Sony a lot of credit for turning that around but it was not easy. I do think Sony can pull it off since they learned some painful lessons this gen. Sony has a lot of great developers lined up that I think gives Sony a huge advantage if they execute it properly. There really is no reason Sony can't do better next gen if they simply apply the lessons learned this gen. I have faith they are smart enouh to do that,

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 9:31:41 PM

I strongly have to disagree with giving away any kind of headset with Playstation consoles.

We'd only wind up with our PS3's having tons of those trash-talking kiddies & other assorted racist a-holes that the 360 has gotten from included headsets.

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Underdog15
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 9:56:39 AM

Yeah, it's nicer to have people go buy mics because they really want to communicate than to have everyone use mics just because they can.

PS3 isn't without it's morons, of course, but I think it's definitely at a lower percentile.

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 9:27:39 PM
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I want to disagree with almost everything this stupid Kotaku leaker had to say.

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Crabba
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 9:46:49 PM
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Sony wouldn't be THIS stupid. Replace the Cell, remove ps3 bc compatibility and restrict used games??

There's nothing about this that makes me want to buy the new console, and I'm probably one of the very few that even want a new PS4 *if done right* in the first place. Seriously hope this is a false rumor.

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 1:30:39 AM
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it sounds like aweful idea to start with a new console in the first place.

also, i am really suspicious about the credibility of the source information, especially considering Sony just recently confirmed that they are not even close to consider a new generation of console as the PS3 is just at its prime -- so following that logic, it makes no sense that they are secretively developing a new console while they are claiming the above. they don't need to surprise the gamers like that next year.

make no sense to me.

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Kevin555
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 2:08:23 AM
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No backwards compatibility for PS3 games & you can't play used games?

I know it's only rumor, but if that becomes true. They can stick their Orbis up their arse.

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___________
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:11:11 AM
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oh for the love of god!
i always said greed is destroying this industry, however they did not have to prove it to me!

the 4096×2160 part is almost impossible since sharp is the ONLY manufacture to prototype such a TV at CES this year and they said there not going into full production till 2014 at the earliest.
and TVs always get delayed, at this rate we were suppose to have laser TVs ages ago!
how many CESs in a row have OLED TVs been showed?
yet were still to receive any.
plus even if we could, whats the point?
developers cant even get games running in native 1080P so whats the point of releasing a console that can do over double whats possible today?
theres a million and one things developers need to improve on before we even think about upping the resolution!
not to mention no one is in the position to fork out several thousand for a new TV in the next 2 years!
this would be like releasing a car that can do 400MPH.
WTFs the point, there is no where on earth where you could get up to it!
talk about hiring a crane to lift a handkerchief!

then onto the used game debacle, being able to tie it to 1 PSN account and copy the whole game over to the HDD is just stupid!
what if its pissing down raining and your like me when it rains the internet drops out and you cant get online?
what if your like me and someone steals your CC info from your PSN account and uses your card to purchase things off PSN, then your bank cancels them so $ony bans your account?
what, so the several hundred you have to pay for the new console, and the several hundred on inevitable required accessories, and the hundred or so on new games is not enough?
typical $ony nickel and dimming their loyal customers!
what if you have several people in the family that want to play the game?
then you have to have the same account?
oh but PSN accounts are locked to how many you can activate, so are you removing that?
or you have to purchase multiple copies for each person who wants to play.
again typical $ony nickel and dimming their loyal customers!

or what about the game return policy allot of retailers have?
allot of game stores, offer refunds for games if you dont like them.
so people buy it, install it on their HDD and take it back thus getting the game for FREE!
and this is better then used games how?

then the final nail in the coffin, no BC.
M$ offer it, ninty offer it, so why cant $ony?
again typical $ony nickel and dimming their loyal customers!

either this is the biggest load of sh*t ive ever read, or $ony are allot stupider then i thought!
and they have made ALLOT of stupid decisions in the past.............
if i was $ony id have a massive team scowering the net reading up on peoples thoughts on this, and change things quick fast!
if they thought the ps3 and vita had a rough start, and this sh*t is true there going to find out what a rough start really is!

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parasitic
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:14:55 AM
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Lack of backwards comparability is a bit annoying, but I'm not surprised. Most game devs predicted this. PS4 architecture is likely to change, hopefully easier to develop for and so including a ps3 chip would be too costly. Sony absolutely must bring out a price competitive console or Microsoft will surpass sales again.

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gray_eagle
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:37:03 AM
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dumb move if you're going to need a psn account just to play sp games on the ps4.
i wont give up on sony, if the above comes true, i'll just pass on the ps4.

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Beamboom
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 4:16:45 AM
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... But how about the name, "Orbis"? I think it is really good!

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Ludakriss
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 8:33:52 AM

Do you remember how Squeenix explained Prince Noctis' name's meaning for Versus13?

See what I'm getting at? Perhaps there's a link in liking the Latin language at Sony?

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Beamboom
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 9:15:22 AM

Dude, I don't even know who "Prince Noctis" IS :D

But there is an obvious link to latin both with Vita and Orbis. And both sounds nice imo. And like they say in the article Ben linked to, "Orbis Vita" can mean something like "Circle of life". Elegant.

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Ludakriss
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:54:14 PM

Elegant indeed =)

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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 1:54:55 PM

Nahhh,

"Orbis" rhymes too well with "Orfice", LOL

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Crabba
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 2:46:22 PM

Orbis better be a code-name, or the name is just as bad as the features the system is touting...

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Ludakriss
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 8:32:04 AM
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I'm currently living in UK. New games are £40-£45 sometimes but rarely £50.

You're telling me with a constant reminder that most of the world is still in RECESSION we're gona have to cough up even more for, by the way, yet uknown titles?

I mean, by the looks of things now, RPG doesn't even exist in the dictionary of the new or, Upcoming gen, David Cage's gona have to start up an "indie" company to try and still cater to people who've got Soul left in 'em and well, if you're into adventure games be prepared to traverse everywhere in 1st person.

If devs are sticking to the "safe bet" FPS now because of financial risk, what is it going to look like on the NEXT GEN (sarcastic voice) O_O

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anjpikapp3
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:44:22 PM

Recession? I don't think so...3 million iPads sold in the first 4 days? 4 million iPhone 4's sold the first week? What recession are you in because it seems like everyone has at least $300-600 to blow on Apple.

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Ludakriss
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:56:02 PM

See. Just two ends of the spectrum. I mean. I just happen to be NOT, one of those people that would be able to spend that amount.

In all fairness this generation seriously suppressed my gaming needs.

So much dross to choose from.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 1:56:03 PM

@ anjpikapp3

Hmm... How about the recession where I work 2 jobs and still am losing my house in 2 months.

How about the recession where Skyrim is the ONLY new game I bought in a long time, because I know it'll occupy me for over 200 hours, and it becomes cost effective to buy one long game vs... umm... ANYTHING else new.

I'm glad you have $300-600 to blow... I have to save that up and pray I can find an apartment that will take that as a first month.

Get your head out of the sand and wake up. Just cause 3 million bought a stupid overpriced iFollow device, doesn't mean the other BILLIONS of us are able to do the same!

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Underdog15
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 9:58:18 AM
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this isn't exactly the most reliable information... When everything is speculation, subjectivity, unofficial, leaked from unnamed sources.... you lose any need for credibility, so why would you seek to be credible?

I'm going to wait for something a little more official before I give this topic any real thought or dive into any discussion with you all.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/29/2012 9:58:43 AM

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 10:39:31 AM
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I think Sony purposely releases this information under the banner of an anonymous source, just to get a feel for the consumer response. I can't be the only one to think that, either.

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richfiles
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 1:57:56 PM

And I hope the reaction scares them shitless!

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Reaper_505
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 11:44:39 AM
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I buy all new games anyway. But what about two PS3s in the same house? It hardly seems fair that we would have to own a copy for each PS3.

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anjpikapp3
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:38:17 PM

I think its okay as long as both PS3's are linked to the same PSN account. just each PSN account would need different copies.

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Reaper_505
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:17:11 PM

That's the problem. My dad and I have separate PSN accounts. So I think we're going to be SOL if this rumor is true.

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Xzer0
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 12:20:50 PM
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I think it is rushed 1st april joke.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 1:59:08 PM
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Just an FYI....

GameStop could refuse to stock PlayStation Orbis, says Pachter

By James Brightman

Wed 28 Mar 2012

If the next PlayStation blocks used, GameStop could fire back

PlayStation 4 (now reportedly called Orbis) is in the news once again, and the latest report reinforces a recent rumor about the possibility of new consoles blocking consumers from playing used titles (or imposing a fee to unlock them). This would be the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on GameStop, and the retailer wouldn't sit idly by, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter commented to GamesIndustry International.

"It isn't really in Sony's or Microsoft's best interests to block used games. It would benefit Activision and EA slightly, and would hurt GameStop a great deal. If Sony unilaterally did this, I could see GameStop refusing to carry their console, and sales of the PS4 would therefore suffer," he said.

Pachter stressed that "if one does it and the others don't, the one who does it will see a loss of market share." He added that none of the big three console manufacturers "are stupid enough to do this unilaterally" and none of them "are evil enough to do it together"......

(You can read the "entire" article here):

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-28-gamestop-could-refuse-to-stock-playstation-orbis-says-pachter

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Highlander
Friday, March 30, 2012 @ 9:58:18 AM

Yes, because GameStop (a lone US specialist retailer) should dictate the global Video game market...and people wonder why I think GameStop has too much influence thanks to the used game market...

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Hypntick
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 2:18:29 PM
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Hmm no used games and backward compatibility....Looks like i'm going to have to take a miss on this one. I've noticed I play fewer and fewer new games these days, this may be the final nail in the coffin.

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VampDeLeon
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:04:01 PM
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..So does this mean buying all those HD Collections of the great PS2 games was worthless? What an odd decision if this rumor became true.

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Ather
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 3:15:02 PM
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Considering players, developers, and Sony execs say a PS4 any time soon is a bad idea, why believe any of this? Ban used games? Watch the number of consols sold dwindle away. Games sued to cost 25 bucks when Nintendo was the only ones around. Competition only raised the rpices. All these new graphics and 3D nobody really wnats will continue to drive prices up. At best, we'll return to 50 bucks a game. So, no used games will not equal cheaper games. Since people buy sued to save money, they'll be no use for these new systems. No backwards compatability? Then why buy a new system? Poepel alreayd felt tricked when going from 2 to 3. Knowing now in advance won't make it any better. $600 for a limited system? One I have to swap out with my PS3 depending on which games to play? No thanks. I'll give up video games first. Save money, not be upset with endings like ME3.

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Highlander
Friday, March 30, 2012 @ 9:57:10 AM

You're wrong about game prices, both in terms of the raw numerical price and in terms of the price in real terms (there's this thing called inflation, you might want to look it up).

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Caanimal
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 5:35:15 PM
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These have got to be some of the funniest rumors yet about the next gen systems. There is no way on this blue planet that these systems will be out next year, the PS3 and Xbox 360 were both announced at least 2 years prior to them hitting stores.

I also seriously doubt any company making a console that is actually ahead of the current standard, that would have been like the PS2/Xbox playing in HD when SD was in it's hay day. The very few HDTVs out there that can display 4096 x 2160 are prohibitively expencive for 99% of the population currently, so unless something drasticly changes in the next year I highly doubt either system will use that ration as the basis, maybe have the option, but definently not the default...

Now, as for the anti-used game feature? How is that going to work? Are you going to have to get an activation code when you buy the game? Yeah, that worked out REAL well for PC games... The used game market is huge (and those who say otherwise are either fools or are just fooling themselves, Gamestop doesn't stay in business on new game sales alone) and will continue to be huge and probably grow, no company will gimp themselve by pulling a stupid move like this, after all, look what has happened to PC gaming... And before anyone says anything, yes it's still out there but look at what is being played, free-ware and/or hacked games predominantly. I myself am down to about 3 games I play on my computer; WoW, SWtOR, and Shogun 2 because I don't like putting up w/ the whole "oh you have to be on-line to play this", that's the big reason I've stopped playing Starcraft 2.

Until word comes down from the console manufaturers I will just chock all this up to the rest of the shotgun effect rumor mill...

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SS4
Friday, March 30, 2012 @ 8:39:36 AM
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Ugh, an AMD CPU... they were better than intel during the P4 era but now intel CPU are superior so im quite dissapointed in that...

GPU wise, AMD or Nvdia is fine, they are both on par atm i'd say.

And what did we learn about stuff similar to DRM? Wow that anti used game thing is dumb. I understand about People buying a game used the first week its released and how bad this is...but there should be a time limit like after 6 month any used game can work on the machine.

Otherwise im sure we will all happily use custom Firmware on our machine. Something like a dual firmware one so you can play online with no issue using normal and custom to play used games.

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phade2blaq
Friday, March 30, 2012 @ 8:58:01 AM
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I just hope Sony finally addresses the overheating, skipping and dre's that has plagued their consoles since the PS1 days !

That would make me happy to have a Playstation console that lasts beyond 2 years !

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Robochic
Saturday, March 31, 2012 @ 5:15:38 AM
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HAve no clue why some people are getting all worked up look at the source it's Kotaku they love to make sony look like crap and stur up BS cause they are M$ fans. if it's not on the xbox it gets no resepct so i smell BS.
I bet this same unknown person that sell their stories about celebrities too the national inquire.
@anjpikapp3 most pay on credit cards, countries are still in a recession or just slowly getting out, but people consume so much credit card debit for gadgets ect. I know just living in Canada it's a struggle for most Canadians, i can truly say i can't drop that much and i don't have credit cards i hate debit it's the worst thing in the world.

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HazySun
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 6:57:47 AM
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Has anyone else considered the aftermath this would cause with the likes of Anonymous or any other hacker group that finds this to be unfair?

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Jake06
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:00:11 PM
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So If you want to take to somebody else's playstation, then it wouldn't work?

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Jake06
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:00:11 PM
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So If you want to take to somebody else's playstation, then it wouldn't work?

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