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PlayStation 4 Coming Holiday 2013: Details And Highlights

The PlayStation 4 has been officially revealed and chances are, you want to know all about it. We will oblige.

Well, here we go- The PS4 is indeed coming and Sony is really pulling out all the stops with this new machine. Not only are they pushing the envelope in terms of technology, they're also implementing a horde of new innovative features. Check it out:

Brief Specs: The PS4 is built on an x86 XPU with an enhanced PC GPU and 8GB of onboard GDDR5 memory. There will also be a local hard drive, and a secondary chip that handles all downloading, which means PS4 titles will be playable as they're being digitally downloaded. Nice for the very impatient.

The PS4 also comes with an always-on hardware for both video compression and decompression, which means that playing and even recording video won't use up the CPU during gameplay. We'll get the chance to experience seamless uploading and downloading, and players will be able to share their gaming experiences with others (with the help of the Dual Shock 4's "Share" button). We'll even be able to view streaming videos on the Vita or a tablet. The strangest - and perhaps most provocative - part involves players actually being able to take over your controller remotely via streaming, just in case you need some help.

A "Mind-Reading" Console: Well, sorta. Basically, the PS4 will learn a gamer's behavior and guess what they're going to buy. Then the machine will download those games even before you've purchased them, and you can sample them before actually spending the money. Creepy but cool.

Gaikai Revolution: The integration of the Gaikai streaming service is really a game-changer. For instance, we'll be able to find anything in the PlayStation Store and with the simple press of a button, the game or media will immediately start playing. Furthermore, we'll be able to pick up where we left off; going back to our game won't have to involve turning the system back on, booting the game up, etc.

Streaming PS1, PS2 and PS3 Games: Sony's new console will utilize the PlayStation Cloud and be able to stream games from the last three generations of PlayStation consoles. Sony wants gamers to be able to stream "everything ever" released, although no titles were revealed during the presentation. We do know that services will be rolled out over time for the Cloud.

Remote Play on Vita: The PS4 will also let gamers play remotely on the PlayStation Vita. The Gaikai technology means this will involve "reduced transmission times" so the gameplay will be fast and immediate. For instance, Mark Cerny's Knack, the first game unveiled for Sony's new console, was shown running on the Vita.

Coming Holiday 2013: Yeah, that's self-explanatory.

More news is a-coming, we're sure. Stay tuned. :)

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, ps4 specs, ps4 details, sony

2/20/2013 7:00:26 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (250 posts)

bebestorm
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 7:26:31 PM
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Sounds amazingly awesome I hope the launch lineup will be just as great!

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Yukian
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:24:25 AM

When I heard the Crash Bandicoot music I thought: "OH, MY GOD! CRASH BANDICOOT FOR LAUNCH!" How wrong I was... :(

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___________
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 9:18:14 AM

$ony are such trolls!
made me pause the video, start screaming and bouncing around like a kid in the chocolate factory!
all for for nothing!!!!!!
and the main character of knack looks SOOOOOOOOO much like crash, $ony you trolls you!

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JDC80
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 7:38:05 PM
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I got three words: I want one.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:37:39 PM

How long do you reckon before Crytek claim the have maxed out the PS4?

lmao.

They probably claim to have already done it before the thing releases.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:52:06 PM

Akuma, considering that this is a low end consumer x86 architecture with a bog standard GPU architecture that Crytek are familiar with, they already have maxed it out. All you have to do is run their latest game with all the options enabled and watch the framerate drop through the floor.

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Cesar_ser_4
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:55:26 PM

Crytek sounds like the hipster of the game developing world.

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IronFace2
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 7:10:04 AM

Not showing the console was a pretty big downer for me. At least have the empty shell. It's like they had to fish for interest before starting to produce them. 3/10

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:28:02 PM

Ironface, what does it matter what the console looks like at this point in time? If it won't be out for months.

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Wrote
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 7:39:16 PM
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I want one.

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Norrin Radd
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 7:53:09 PM
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Excellent.

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infamousgodV2_0
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 7:54:13 PM
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four words TAKE MY MONEY NOW !!

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 7:57:11 PM
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Sold.

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Athrin
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:06:39 PM
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anyone know the xbox 720 specs?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:07:38 PM

After tonight... irrelevant.

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Athrin
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:11:41 PM

dont know y 2 idiots thumbed me down, whant to compare the both wtf is wrong with that

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:36:54 PM

Ignore the thumbs. Important for humans, but not here.

Well, they're not always accurate anyway.

I'm curious to see whether I'll get thumbs up or down for this comment.... will be interesting. :P

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:27:32 PM

Guys, if the nextbox is rumored to have 8GB ram as well, but also an Windows OS that may take up to 3GB of it, that leaves about 4GB-5GB for gaming right? If this is the case, then Sony clearly has the upper hand if they can use at least 7GB dedicated to gaming. Then again, they may be able to adjust after hearing this.

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Xombito
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:04:19 PM

From what I read, the nextbox is rumored to have 8 gigs of memory. But its GDDR3 memory. If that's true then the PS3 undoughtedly has the upper hand.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:26:02 PM

Yeah, that's true. And actually, I don't think the rumor speaks of a GDDR3 for the next box, I think it's just a regular DDR3. That would make 3rd party games run about half the resolution and framerate than what the PS3 versions would be able to run. If it's going to include Windows, it may make it even worse.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:54:07 AM

I would not be surprised if the next xbox runs with Windows. Microsoft loves Windows 8 and its essentially made for apps and games. It's even hooked up with Live and you can purchase those games to play on the W8OS as well. Personally I can't stand Windows 8. It makes me wanting to use my laptop for homework even more difficult when I'm already trying to cram for a test.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:06:46 PM
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Holidays 2013, now we know. That was insane. I'm gonna die if I don't find a way to come up with that money aren't I?

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:54:04 PM

Sell blood, prostitution, I mean at this point defiling youself is irrelevant.

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Gregory Freeman
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:41:06 PM

What he said^^

If you sold plasma and sperm now until release, you could deff. buy the console, and a few games to boot!

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Xzer0
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:07:33 PM
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Sold, sold sold and it is coming this year!! yay!! now i am going to sleep I only got 5 and half hour to sleep and the I mus go to work, but i will so excited!!! omg!!

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H0TSHELLZ
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:07:59 PM
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Im ready to Pre-Order !!!!

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:08:05 PM
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Outstanding. Considering I have three PS3's in my house, this is going to be expensive..

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Hoagie324
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:08:14 PM
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This looks AWESOME! Definitely a day one purchase for me.

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McClane
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:09:03 PM
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With all the stream this, stream that does this mean physical format will be over?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:48:32 PM

not yet

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SethB
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:13:21 AM

I hope not. Digital download only would make this a non-buy for me. Not to mention that it would effectively eliminate the used market.

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wackazoa
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:14:44 AM

"Not to mention that it would effectively eliminate the used market."

Thats the point.

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SethB
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:23:04 AM

It's a really blunt point, to be sure. In regards to the streaming, maybe it's just because I am old, but I do not like spending hard earned money on items that only function properly if you have a high speed and reliable internet connection.

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wackazoa
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:28:09 PM

I dont like spending money on things I cant "touch". Yes data backups are getting better, but still that nagging thought will not go away, that if I somehow delete something acidently or my system crashes that I'll be able to get it back.

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:09:13 PM
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When is holiday 2013?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:15:04 PM

October - December 2013.

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:49:49 PM

Good. Good.

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Fane1024
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:44:19 AM

One rumor said September...FWIW.

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faraga
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:09:54 PM
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I want it now. How come they didn't show us the actual console design?

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:38:07 PM

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe Sony couldn't decide on a console design in time for the press conference.

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Simcoe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:24:59 PM

They have to save something for E3!

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JROD0823
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 9:53:07 AM

Not being a smartass, but does the design of the console much matter with all of the impressive games and game teases they showed at the Meeting?

I would buy a PS4 even it it was designed to look like a coiled piece of poo, lol. With games that look as good as that being shown pre-E3, and all of the possibilities that are yet to come for the system, the future is looking bright for PlayStation gamers.

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txgamer
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:10:01 PM
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Preparing to preorder asap.

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Knightzane
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:12:08 PM
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I loved the outro. It was like "See you at E3 Microsoft." Well out of everything i worried and all that i can safely say i want the next gen now. That social feature where if someone beats me on the leaderboard i can go and watch how they did it. I love it. Its all so unique and everytime i saw graphics i had to blink to make sure i was watching a grame and not a movie. I don't want too spend 6 hours going on and on about what i saw but ill end with this.

If FFvs13 is announced for the ps4 im going to throw a fit.

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Ninja_WafflesXD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:12:33 PM
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Heh...at first I was really put off at the idea of the PS4 being released this year...

But now? I can't wait! Better start saving....

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txgamer
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:13:34 PM
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I think Sony will show the console at E3 or TGS. I'm thinking TGS because it's home.

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ryu
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:15:55 PM
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pretty underwhelming i thought,
nothing from SE, kojima didn't show

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:28:30 PM

Underwhelming?

Geez.

You are hard to please.

I know KojiPro didn't show, but that HAS to be because he has something big planned.

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:43:43 PM

Is anyone surprised that SE just showed a demo and that's it. They think that's still good enough for people.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:50:42 PM

I'd much rather Kojima focus all his energy and resources on MGS Ground Zeroes before committing himself to PS4.

Perhaps Project Ogre is a PS4 exclusive?

Either way, the presentation was heaps longer than I expected and had more content and games than I could have hoped for!!

Infamous: Second Son, DriveClub, Killzone Shadow Fall, Knack, Watch Dogs, Destiny, The Witness.... I really want to play ALL of those games!! If they come out around launch, I'll be one happy gamer.

And Media Molecule's concept was freakin' genius!!! I had the biggest smile on my face as I watched them use the Move to sculpt and build and play!! Love Media Molecule!! Greatest investment Sony has ever purchased!!

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Yukian
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:53:07 PM

Smokey, they even used the same demo... smokes and mirrors to try and fool all of us and forget FFvs13 and FFXHD were ever mentioned... granted, they're colorful smokes and shiny mirrors lol

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Temjin001
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:15:33 PM

That's what E3 will be for ;)
Just think, it's like getting two e3 style press conferences in one year. At e3 there'll be less talk about the logistics behind Sony's vision and purpose of their hardware and hopefully more games and content. The third-parties will want to show off their next-gen stuff too.

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clockwyzebkny
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:17:27 PM
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Day 1 purchase for me What do you guys think about Knack?

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:26:48 PM

Nice game. The amount of polygons in use JUST for the protagonist was pretty amazing.

Seems like a family demographic.

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JROD0823
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 9:58:48 AM

I think it looks like a lot of fun, clock. Excited to see more of it at E3.

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McClane
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:17:59 PM
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It's amazing how everyone is " can't wait, sold, I want one now!" and you haven't even seen the console yet...

Geez, wait a little longer...

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:25:33 PM

Would you SERIOUSLY not buy the console because the actual console is ugly?

Lawl......

"I'm going to buy an xbox because it looks better...... :|"

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:34:41 PM

People do that all the time with colors for a console.

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Xombito
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:15:42 PM

I'm just shooting in the dark here, but I'm guessing something rectangular in design.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:47:31 AM

I don't think Sony has ever, in the history of the entire corporation released anything that is downright *ugly*. And their consoles has always looked sleek as hell. There simply is no need to see it.

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Fane1024
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:48:25 AM

When Nintendo didn't show the WiiU box, everyone (including me) called it smoke and mirrors.

With justification.

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556pineapple
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:20:40 PM
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*sigh* Damn it Sony, you sure know how to take my money. Better start saving.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:24:56 PM
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I think the launch titles will be the best we have ever seen.

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Cravit8
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:25:01 PM
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I'm trying to jog my memory on if it was Worldendswithme or another member who was going to go balls to the walls crazy if PS4 used x86.
:-P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:49:48 PM

Naw it wasn't me, I see why it has to be this way.

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wiley_kyotee
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:02:31 PM

Highlander, I do believe. In a way I can't blame him. Sony always was unique in my eyes and now they are somewhat abandoning that. Though in saying this, the PS4 does seem to have some possible unique features. We will have to see what MS has up their sleeves.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:28:00 PM
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I told you guys I was going to steal the PS4!

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The Doom
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:29:13 PM
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Hmm...

Cloud gaming: Play
Video Uploads: Create
Social Features: Share

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:08:02 PM

So... wait, does that mean the PS3 DOESN'T do everything?!?!?

Why Sony!?!?! Why would you lie to me like that!?!?!

I miss Kevin Butler. The conference really could've used him.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:33:45 PM
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PS4, what did you download for me today? BackDoor Sluts's 9?! HOW DID YOU KNOW I WANTED THIS?!

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Yukian
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:40:39 PM

I lol'ed so hard when I read this... sometimes mind reading is not the best...

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:55:17 PM

Or perhaps it is the best!

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LegendaryWolfeh
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:59:08 PM

I can only imagine what my PS4 will be full of by the end of it's lifetime. Not sure it's looking forward to being owned by me. Lol

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:41:49 PM
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So for remoteplay to properly, finally be integrated and working, we need to buy a PS4...

I'm excited and I loved the presentation but that made me really pissed off...

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Underdog15
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 7:57:39 PM

They've put it on PS3 to an extent. And it was always going to be mastered on the next gen.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:51:31 PM
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Epic games just sort of confirmed they have a game coming for the PS4.....

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:57:48 PM
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Man, this time I'm going to save so I can get a console at launch!!! PS4 showcase was very nice. I look forward to E3 knowing they'll have more to show off. I think what we saw today was just the tip of the iceberg. I'm so glad I got into PlayStation back at 1.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:05:51 PM

I never buy a console at launch. I always wait for them to work out the kinks first, and for more games to come out, and maybe the first big price drop.

But what the PS4 showcased and has promised, that wait will now be harder than ever!!!

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:11:02 PM

Haha, yeah man, I hear you there. I'm just torn because I agree with you that I should wait, but my gosh the pretty colors and images and features and...screw it I've gotta buy. :P

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:09:49 PM

The increased social features was definitely a move in the right direction for Sony.

More open-platform, more user-generated content or games, more social features and sharing.

I would love to expand these features beyond games, like watching a movie online with a bunch of your buddies from different countries, and chatting and making fun of it altogether.

Hopefully the PS4 will sell a LOT more, now that it focuses on people who will buy one just because their friends have one and want to share those online experiences.

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ethird1
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:58:24 PM
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Worst Sony show, ever. Deep Down is really Dragon's Dogma 2. I loved that little demo. Destiny looked cool and I cannot wait to play Diablo 3 on my ps3.

still though, this show sucked ass. I would never pay 500 bucks for this system.

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:01:45 PM

I dunno man, when they mentioned the PS3 price being 599.99 US Dollars was pretty much their hay day. This was a bit boring to previous shows, but no where near the worst. I think they only wanted to give folks a taste of whats to come. E3 should be where they'll explode. At least I think so.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:04:04 PM

If that was just a taste, Imagine how long their E3 show will be!!!

I'll have to stock up on food and drinks for E3 if that 2 hour press conference was just "a taste"!!

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:04:38 PM

Man, you must either 1) be an xbot or 2) been watching the wrong stream.

The announcement was exactly what it should have been, all about the next-generation. The games, the features, what we can do with it, and what is happening.

People are only annoyed about the show because they didn't get to see the console, stop crying.

Just wait for E3 if THAT is all you care about.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:19:50 PM

What would make it a much better show? Announcements of consoles are generally teases, and this one I thought was well done. And how exactly is this a horrible system? Because they didn't show you what it looked like? Spec-wise, it looks fine to me. 8GB RAM is already overkill for a non-heavy OS based machine.

I think everyone that's disappointed just expected Sony to drop EVERY single, minute details of the console. Isn't too early to judge when you don't know every detail?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:50:07 PM

Dude, you're nuts.

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KingRed
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 8:59:15 PM
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I gotta start saving now for this. Did anyone else think Media Molecule part was awsome? I really like the little dance and band thing.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:00:21 PM
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Awesome!
Now all of this rumored monkey business over Facebook-like games and crappy hardware and less memory than Kinect-Box can be put to rest and we can have peace and happiness.
At least until people start more rumors about its $800 cost and $70 games and stuff. But let's just wait on that until tommorow and be in awe of that show's magnifence. Except for you S-E .... Less talk and more show!

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:02:13 PM
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I have 2 questions...

How much? And give it to me.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 3:15:20 PM

What was the second question? ;)

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wiiplay
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:07:30 PM
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Decisions, decisions. Oh how I hate them.
Guess I'll have to see more of the unit before I come up with any kind of conclusion, but from what I've seen so far... Well, I just hope that this forced social environment doesn't make Watch Dogs a vision of our own future, and with it, our own demise.

Still found that to be rather ironic. Sony, unveiling a console with a powerful personal social interactive environment, and Watch Dogs, a video game that takes advantage of our mindless social interactions.
Watch Dogs at the PS4 conference just seemed... odd.

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:13:54 PM

The irony wasn't lost on me either...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:51:33 PM

I don't think that stuff is forced, looks totally optional.

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:07:57 PM
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What impressed me the most was Watchdogs and David Cage's just simple statement that the only limits now is our imaginations.

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ChaseHammer
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:12:05 PM
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Looks like I am correct and PS3 will be my last console (at least this/next generation). The lack of details on backwards compatibility, physical media and unlocked content is the only thing that is saving the PS4 as far as Im concerned, they have what 6 months to change my mind.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:19:44 PM

No backwards compatibility in the box at all, it's all streamed - tell me how much you fancy playing Soul Calibur 4 when the gameplay is streamed across the Net, and your controller input has to be sent half way across the country to the actual system running the game. I know I don't.

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ChaseHammer
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:31:24 PM

Exactly my point Highlander, im totally against Cloud, Streaming and digital only content. It makes no sense to me. Im already afraid PSN wont be here in 10 years for PS3 and Ill lose 1/3 of my game collection much less depending on it for everything. No thanks if that is how it will be.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:17:18 PM
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I have a question. When will they show the game streaming service playing a 60fps action game with no appreciable controller latency in the real world? Until I see that, I won't believe that their service is worth considering. Notice I said service, the console is a piece of crap. This is exactly what I feared they would do, and I am extremely sad to see it happen. SCEA must have drank pretty heavily of the x86 kool-aid and somehow persuaded the rest of SCE to go along with them.

PS4 is an x86 in a closed box with a proprietary network to back it. The network, the streaming and all the other things they talked about are the future, this is the last PlayStation home console, there will not be another. The next step is to evolve it completely away from a hardware device in the home that Sony makes, the streaming service means that as long as their service processor or something as capable as it is inside a device that device will be capable of playing streamed games via the Sony PlayStation service. The Vita may well be the last mobile device, though I suspect that until mobile data networks get faster and considerably cheaper, the idea of streaming gameplay to a mobile device is a non starter.

One more question for Sony, will they talk nicely to my ISP so that the multi-GB streaming won't kill my Internet bandwidth cap? Oh, and we have 3 consoles in this house, will their streaming service be bandwidth friendly enough to allow all 3 to play without going to a business service tier with my ISP?

Oh, BTW, what's the point of streaming PS1 gameplay? There are watches with the compute power to emulate a PS1, running the games on a cloud server is needless and pointless.

Yeah, whatever. Not enthused at all by the hardware, it's a sad state of affairs that people are jumping for joy over a PC with a PlayStation logo stamped on it. To me, Sony has one hell of a lot to prove before this thing hits the market.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:25:46 PM

To be exact, they drank X86 cool aid with the developers. I can't emphasize just how many times they mention themselves working with the developers with the architect issue. To be honest, if that's what the developers want, then so be it. They are the ones that makes the games, and if they're happy, then it should only do good right?

Also, yes it's a PC X86, but this is a console. Console games are optimized much more than PCs, and with 8GB RAM, something that I don't think high end gaming PC have optimized to, nor how little to non high-end PC games have fully utilized the GDDR5's power, PS4 games will at least look and run great. And if the games look and run great, does it matter anymore what architecture it is?

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JCARROLL
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:31:49 PM

If it's powerful and plays good games, why does it matter what components are in the box?

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:34:58 PM

I share your concerns Highlander with the streaming service but potentially it could be the most powerful backwards compatibility offered. IF it is effective. In Australia we are getting a rollout of fibre direct to the home infrastructure. I don't see this working with anything under having access to that though which is the rub. More is needed to be known but your right, it is ridiculous to have to do this for PS1 games.

It is however an exciting possibility for ALL previous platforms, 1/2/3 all in one, untethered by the need for local storage space to me.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:39:45 PM

Daus, Developers? Which ones? The ones too damned lazy to learn a high performance architecture, but active enough to whine about it like children? All of Sony's core developers have heaped praise on the CellBE, obviously they're going to since they work for Sony you will say, the counter point is pretty much true also.

At the end of the day this is a low end PC architecture that will be out of date and thoroughly eclipsed by modest gaming rigs before it even hits the market. That is a complete fail for a PlayStation.

Tell you what, let's at least be honest about this, that the PS4 logo, break the bottom piece of the 'S' off and flip it's position to mirror the one at the top. There, that's better, Sony didn't announce the PS4, they announced the PC4.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:08:36 PM

I know there was whiners, but the point is that Sony did their homework on what would be best for them moving forward. And that's them going around to different developers and asking them in person on what that is.

I was always with you in that I wanted Sony to advance the cell cpu and stay away from X86. I went as far as to saying how dumb it would be for Sony to waste all the investments that went into making the cell, let alone the efforts of the first party developers going to waste.

Now we just have to look at the reality, and that reality is that they want all developers, including the lazy ones, to be content. That makes it a win-win situation for everyone.

The other reality is how well the PS4, as it is might run the games itself. Even with the lame and weak X86, the PS4 in many ways outperforms the PS3 by at least doubled in every aspect, especially the monstrous RAM. Now you know the PS3 when optimized is "comparable" even to high-end PCs of today. Now imagine an optimized PS4, which I don't think we've even seen yet.

You're basically saying that just because it's X86, the games will automatically look and run like crap. Cpu is important, but I believe the other aspects like GPU and RAM can help make up for that loss. It's exactly how the X360 made up for its lack of cpu compared to the cell, with its slightly better gpu structure.

In the end, the visuals are comparable anyway. Unless it mind-blowingly makes a different it shouldn't be a big deal. Now let's just worry about the games.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:35:06 PM

Actually, I haven't once said that the games will run or look like crap. They will run and look like games on a mid range system of today. If that's crap, they they will look and run like crap. I've poured scorn on the use of x86, I've poured scorn on the decision to deliver a consumer grade closed box PC that is closer to being an HPTC than a game console. I've poured scorn on the relative performance of that hardware compared to what could have been achieved with other architectures, and I've poured scorn on the fact that PC based shooter developers are very happy, but traditional video game producers are probably eyeing up the WiiU at this point, much like myself.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:49:54 PM

Highlander, you know what I mean. Of course, I don't literally mean crap. I mean it by the sense, that because it's not the cell, the X86 is an automatic failure and not worthy of a comparison as opposed to if it had the cell cpu. Otherwise, why would you make such a big deal out of it?

And the fact that the PS4 will only look like Mid-level PCs is an assumption. We're only seeing the beginning of the PS4. You're speaking like a PC enthusiasts, because that's what they were all saying with the PS3 back in launch. They thought that early PS3 look no better than low to mid level PCs. Those same people ended up having to upgrade their PCs over time just to have games that can look like PS3 exlcusives of today. All PS3 owners had to do was stick with one console and wait for the developers to optimize.

Ugh, I'm sick of saying optimize.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:07:01 PM

Wow Highlander, never expected that from you.

The console has MUCH more power than the PS3, and the games on ps3 look amazing. Who cares about the rest of the features in the box, when the games are awesome.

If you don't like all these social features, then that's your fault, get with the times, the world is moving in that direction. It was already excepted that the PS4 would be more social.

They chose to go for more PC friendly hardware because HOW MANY TIMES did PS3 games suck, because developers couldnt get a handle on the architecture? As a business, they would be stupid to go with the same approach again, they made the perfect decision of working with developers when building this console.

They made the right choices, the console will be leaps and bounds ahead of the current-gen, and MS need to step it up if they want to beat this.

You will end up eating your words.... trust me

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:21:27 PM

The hardware for a console is not comparable to the same hardware for a PC. The footprint is smaller. The PS4 is going to be able to do a lot with this. 8GB RAM is nothing to scoff at for a console in 2013. Not even the most powerful custom built PCs aren't using their ram effectively, bragging rights sure but what is actually being "used" right now on modern PC games. usually only using 4GB fully. That's with a higher footprint of the OS and greater app usage etc.

I think the important thing is that this will be the best machine for the developers, that's what matters. This generation most multiplatform development was a joke, that's going to be a thing of the past because Sony wanted to turn that around completely it seems to me.

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Cesar_ser_4
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:22:13 PM

Guess Sony was really psychologically wounded? I don't know the correct term. To think that their only way out was to come up with an X86 based system to make up for what they lost last gen. Guess they were scared history would repeat itself with the PS4 had they given it another "fancy" architecture like the PS3. Lets face it folks. Sony isn't in the business of spending more money right now. They are just trying to make the money they lost last gen with the lazy developers inferior ports/multiplats and what have you. As of right now no developer has come close to properly utilizing the cell processor. And I mean coming closer to look like a first party game, not the but this game looks pretty good crap.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:00:13 AM

Akuma, I won't eat my words, trust me. The only developers whining were the ones too lazy to learn a new architecture. Ironically for them, they should have got to grips with it then, because they sure as hell are going to have to figure out parallel processing going forwards.

Don't bother with the get with the times thing, The social gaming/networking stuff is just fluff, nothing more nothing less. I don't care about it either way.

All of you need to start paying attention instead of pushing hopeful rationalizations about how great the hardware is because it isn't saddled with Windows or because it has 8GB of RAM. Neither of those things will magically make the cores have more cycles per second, or execute more instructions per second. At the end of the day, this is disappointing hardware for the next big thing. It won't be at retail for 6-9 months, and in the world of PCs and technology in general that is an eternity. Disagree with me all you like, facts are facts.

Now, if you wish to talk about whether the thing will be adequate for games, fine. It will be adequate. That's all, it's not stellar, it has a lot of RAM, but that is as far as it goes. The processor cores - whether GPU or CPU are ordinary, and clocked at very ordinary speeds. So, it will be adequate, but not much more. Some great PlayStation design for the future that is.

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wiley_kyotee
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:15:41 PM

Did you notice that in the streaming portion of the presentation (David Perry, right?), he stated 'our goal' a lot. This gave me the impression that they are still hard at work trying to figure streaming out and that it probably will not be available day one.

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wiley_kyotee
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:03:45 PM

I think the reason they want to setup streaming for PS1 games is because they want you to be able to stream legacy games on multilple devices (phones, tablets, Vita, PC).

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Temjin001
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:31:48 PM
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I'm sure crytek's yerli is a loss for words.

Comrad: so what did you think of that Ps4 and Killzone stuff mate?

Yerli: ..... .....
Yerli: ....
Yerli: .... our grass looks better......
Comrad: .... But there was no grass
Yerli: and you're fired!

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Jed
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:39:50 PM
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That was pretty damn sweet. It was a lot longer than I thought it would be, but that's a good thing. I'm totally looking foreward to e3 and all the other shows to see what this BEAST is capable of!

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:44:50 PM

beast? You're kidding right? There are Server CPUs that cost more - just for the CPU - than this thing will cost at retail. You can't exactly call this a beast when it's going to come in at under $500. Perhaps it's a beast amongst sub $500 PCs, but that's the only context in which the word beast could be applicable.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:51:13 PM

Highlander, try to calm down. Tame the inner PC enthusiast within.

If Sony wanted to build a super gaming PC, the PS4 would be around $900 and very few would be able to afford it.

The PS4 is still a significant leap over the PS3 and matches today's top of the line PC's. So long as the games are good and the UI and OS runs smoother than Barry White's voice on Valentine's Day, I'll be a happy camper.

If you want eye-bleedingly amazing graphics, stick with your PC, but PLEASE stop bringing down the PS4, on the day of it's freakin' announcement for that matter, just because it doesn't match future PC specs or cost a mint to produce. It's just unfair.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:34:46 AM

DanceMachine,

There's no calming down to be done. Facts are facts. And the FACT is that the PS4 announced absolutely does not "match today's top of the line PC's" Perhaps the amount of System memory does, but the graphics hardware and CPU just plain do not match anything you could call top of the line hardware. They just don't.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:35:39 AM

If Highlander wouldn't mind spotting me the cash to get a high end PC, and some how secure the rights for Uncharted while you are at it, I will totally join your band wagon of technologically superior bigotry.

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Jed
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:47:26 AM

Look, I don't know much about PCs or even what the hell x86 is. I'm hyped up after watching the show. But as far as the PS4 goes, you know nothing more than I do. So just chill out and wait until we see more of what it can do. Take a deep breath and count to three.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:05:39 PM

You have to think and stick with the economical times in today's world. It seems Sony is playing their smart hands on the table this time around.

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Highlander
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:19:57 PM

You know what makes me laugh here? Not one of you is prepared to look at the facts. Call it a beast if you must, I guess it will be a beast among the low end consumer PCs sold by Wallmart. But, don't continue to pretend that this budget PC with a PlayStation logo is some kind of beast in performance terms when compared to an average gaming rig. You can down vote my comment all you like, but it won't alter the factual truths within it.

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Crabba
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:44:24 PM
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Those were some ridiculous specs statements...

"like a PC, but supercharged." - only it's more like a low-end cheapo PC...

"It uses APU technology and GDDR5 memory, which is typically reserved for "top of the line, high end graphics cards." - except GDDR5 has been used in everything from low-end graphics cards for YEARS now, including my years old now low-end cheapo discontinued XFX 6790...

The sad fact is the rumors were true, the PS4 is nothing but a low-end PC specs-wise, still slightly better than a PS3, but nothing to get super-excited about if you want your next-gen games to actually LOOK next-gen...

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 9:45:45 PM

Yep, been saying this for a while, but apparently it's a minority opinion. Welcome to the dark side.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:17:56 PM

Yeah, except that GDDR5 was never really used properly or optimized in PCs... nor was it ever optimized with 8GB worth of OS free hardware (except maybe only 512mb reserved for it).

Again, I don't understand how you guys compare PC specs hand to hand with consoles. Look at high-end PC games in 2006, and compare that to the graphics of today's PS3 games. High-end racing games back then is a complete joke when compared to GT5. And don't say that the cell is the reason for it, because even Forza looks stellar compared to then.

Point is, consoles are hardwares of optimization. PC games don't optimize the hardware that it has. Just because it's equipped with top of the line gpu/ram/cpu, doesn't mean it's optimized to the fullest. With consoles, they are.

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dkmrules
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:24:03 PM

It's a good thing they supercharged it, don't want turbo lag when playing online.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:24:17 PM

Daus, Comparing a high end 2006 PC to a PS3 is one thing - in 2006 the CellBE annihilated x86 architectures for FP performance. Comparing an x86 based on a low-mid range consumer CPU against a high end PC of today is quite another. There's nothing you can say or rationalize that will make that comparison any better.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:28:43 PM

Didn't they say the GPU and x86 CPU would be a specially optimized version of each part?

So, While the part names themselves might not impress for PC enthusiasts, I think the actual measured performance will go beyond what the PC equivelant could do, simply because the PS4 is a closed and OS specific machine.

As far as graphics go, I really don't see how they can get more photo-realistic than David Cage's old man head demo. Heck, even the PS3 came damn close to reaching graphical peaks with Uncharted and God of War III.

Let's face it guys, we don't need more power. We need more games and an affordable system to run it on. We're beginning to approach the graphical peak, ad I'm honestly quite happy to be there. Save more money upgrading every 5 years rather than every 2.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:31:41 PM

Optimization for what? Typically that means the removal of elements that they don't need to reduce the die size and cost of manufacture. The problem with your logic is that the clock speeds and cores involved are not remarkable by any means, and it's just not sensible to say otherwise

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:39:25 PM

That's not my point. My point is how the games "look." You can brag about the cells dominance all day long, but if it isn't going to produce anything dramatically different in graphics and physics, it's all but show and talk.

As for my other point, just imagine a PC with the specs the PS3 has, that is 256VRAM/RAM and a pretty ancient Nvidia card. Would it be able to run games like Uncharted or GT5? No, it would need much, much more RAM and VRAM and much better gpu. How the PS3 (and X360 for that matter) is able to achieve that is optimization, something PCs don't do, because of, oh yeah, Windoze. Windoze XP and laterwon't even run with 512MB.

So there's no point in repeating that the PS4 will have low/mid-end PC specs over and over and downplaying it, because in consoles, they run differently and A LOT better anyway. If an ancient Nvidia card with 512MB DDR3 RAM can run games like Uncharted 3, I'm excited to see what a updated, dual-gpu (even if it's not top of the class for "high-end" PCs), and 8GB GDDR5 RAM can do.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:43:35 PM

To be honest, I was happy with what they announced. Is it revolutionary? No. But will it do a great job? Yes.

8GB RAM in a shared memory pool is kinda what the Xbox 360 did between CPU and GPU RAM (My apologies if the details or names of parts are incorrect, but you know what I mean). The PS3's CPU and GPU were separated and meant that it could only reach a max of 256MB in each one. It's the main reason so many multiplats ran better on 360 than PS3!

I was just glad to see Sony finally taking some cues from what the competition did right! 360 wasn't as powerful, but it still performed just as well!! Only PS3 exclusives blew 360 games out of the water!!

Very few multiplats took advantage of Cell, so I would much rather see a PS4 with PC architecture perform well and run smoothly at a more competitive price, even if there is a sacrifice in graphical processing that shows 3 years from now.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:07:53 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA

'Slightly' better than a PS3.

Geez.

You guys really are off your rocker.

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shadowpal2
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:46:31 AM

Crabba and Highlander...I'm gonna agree with you guys. Nothing surprised me and made me think that developers will have a fun time revolutionizing their games.

Don't give a **** about social networking.
Doubting their streaming service until I see it in action.
Controller with share button, touch pad, and six-axis sensor...screams GIMMICK.

(sigh!) some "evolution."

However...it doesn't necessarily mean that the games which come out for it wont be memorable experiences. We might see quite a couple of awesome games. But...definitely no leap compared to what is offered this generation.

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Crabba
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 3:39:01 PM

daus26 there's this unrealistic opinion by the uneducated that consoles are somehow far more powerful than equivalent PCs with the same specs, when really the major reason PS3 & xbox games run as well as they do is because when they "optimize" they cut the resolution to even below 720p, and don't use much if any FSAA tech, while a high-end game-PC would typically play at 1080p (or higher) with 8-16x FSAA and plenty of options to increase shadows quality etc etc.

Let's get this straight:
GDDR5 won't "magically" become more powerful because it's in a PS4 branded PC, instead of any ol' mid-tower PC.

daus: much of the reason why PS3 games like Uncharted etc look as good as they do is because they don't just use that ancient nvidia GPU, but combined with all of the Cell cores to get that kind of quality.

Some of you say "We don't need more power!"... you do realize you're basically saying We don't need the PS4 then since in your opinion we have already peaked so why not just keep the PS3 then?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:00:08 PM
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Oh cmon guys, just because a PC rig is more powerful doesn't mean anything, this move makes all their hi-tech hopes for the future possible. PC gaming rigs have always been more powerful, but they've never had the backing of the Playstation family before. This all comes down to if you have faith in this vision, not if you can brag about the hardware.

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JROD0823
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 3:18:51 PM

I'm with World on this one, I think that some people are being too critical about the hardware specs.

In the end, like many others above have posted, all that matters are the games, and from the looks of what we have been given a glimpse of, I think that we will be in for quite a treat in the coming years from a software standpoint.

How about we all wait until the PS4 has been out for a few years before we cast stones Sony's way for being "x-86 sellouts", and judge them fairly for what they have done and if they have made good on their promises?

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JCARROLL
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:07:47 PM
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The Killzone graphics looked really good. I think they've probably struck the right balance between power, affordability and ease of development.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:21:45 PM

Couldn't agree more.

Like David Cage said, the PS4 has hardware that allows for the most photo-realistic graphics that can be designed and processed, emotional facial movements, particle effects, etc etc, that NOW the only thing that is limited is the imaginations of the game designers!!

I can see the PS4 lasting far longer than 10 years unless there's another major shift in how gamers interact with consoles.

Touch, motion, voice recognition, video capture and good old fashioned joysticks and buttons seem to be all covered. The only thing missing, really, is smell and mind control!!

Wonder if the PS4 will support the virtual reality 3D headset too. Imagine the possibilities!!!

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:30:00 PM

What? Excuse me, but what?

"I can see the PS4 lasting far longer than 10 years unless there's another major shift in how gamers interact with consoles. "

No. It's an x86 design with a standard GPU that will be out of date when it reaches retail. It might last 10 years as a doorstop, but there is zero chance (and I mean zero) that this system will remain competitive for 10 years. PS3 was quite literally state of the art in 2006, even the most chauvinistic PC3 owner today can't really claim that it's still faster than an average PC - because it's not. Which is why they are coming up with the PS4. But the PS4 relative to other hardware available is absolutely not state of the art, is mid range, cheap and safe, and it sure as hell is not going to remain viable for 10 years.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:36:26 PM

Consumers with wallets, game designers and the constantly changing PC market will decide if the PS4 is still viable for the next 10 years.

From what I saw, Sony did the right thing with the PS4 and focused on playing it safe. You kinda have to in this economic climate. No point making a $700 machine and selling it for $599 if you lose money on it and people can't afford it.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:12:49 AM

You're wrong.

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Temjin001
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:42:49 AM

personally, with what I've seen I sort of hope we don't see a new console generation for 15-20 years. I'm tired of resetting for the new. The PS4 may be the first console where I feel totally satisfied with what I'm seeing. I don't see low-res shadows, or low res textures, jaggies, or those things to remind us that the hardware has limitations. No matter the past consoles, that's always been constant. Crude visual elements that remind us that more headroom can be made. I think devs will have seemingly endless creative freedom with the capacity they have now. Graphics are meeting a point where it just looks so realistic and convincing that having MORE power won't mean all that much unless it's just like an insane amount more.

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:56:24 AM

Highlander, x86 architecture has been around for the past 4 decades, which brings familiarity to this console where the wild and revolutionary architecture that the CBE brought last gen. This is a good move, a very good one.

PC's will always have the edge, it's like comparing a corvette to a Porsche.. With the 8 gigs of GDDR5, coupled with the GPU and CPU that are special built for this unit, not to mention the gfx card that they have yet to fully elaborate on, we're looking at a console that, despite your pessimism, blows every console prior to it out of the water.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:52:21 AM

@Gregory,

It does that today, because it's new. In 9 months less so, and in 2 more years beyond that, how much less so still? I'm not saying that the PS4 announced is not more powerful than the PS3, of course it is. Technologically speaking it has about 7 years over the PS3, so of course it has more power. How much more? That remains to be seen, but it's not going to be the multiple orders of magnitude difference we say with PS2 to PS3. This hardware just is not very special.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:15:10 PM
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Microsoft better have A LOT more up their sleeves than just Kinect 2.0 or interactive TV or additional TV and movie services.

Looks like Sony has won over the core gamers with this one. The touch pad will appeal to the younger gamers used to iPads and iPhones, while the re-designed L2-R2 triggers and analog sticks will appeal to the core gamer.

Nice to see the Move will be compatible, no need to buy more expensive new hardware.

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dkmrules
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:22:40 PM
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I read that ps3 games won't be compatible.

If that's the case, I will be taking a hard look at what Microsoft is cooking up too, and will certainly wait at least a year before buying any new console.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:26:47 PM

Yes, it will not run PS3 games, nor apparently will it run PS2 or PS1 games, those all have to be run elsewhere and streamed in. Can't fathom why you'd want to do that with PS1 games since my Fridge could probably run them, but hey, whatever takes your fancy Sony.

BTW, I wonder, has anyone checked to see whether Sony is buying up spare shares in ISPs? Because this stream everything model is going to generate a crap-ton of bandwidth use, and a lot of people are going to end up paying more for their internet so they can get their stuff.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:32:14 PM

That's what I'm worried about Highlander. Bandwidth and Download limits.

I'm on 100 GB per month, and that is HUGE compared to what most people use here in Australia.

I'm more a fan of downloading and playing from a HDD, rather than streaming. At least if the net goes down or there's latency issues, the game is still there on the system ready to go.

I just hope PS1, PS2 and PS3 games can be downloaded as well, as an option, and not just limited to streaming only. I love having GTA San Andreas on my PS3 HDD!!

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:08:42 PM

You seriously think Microsoft will do any better?

You're kidding yourself.

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MasterGT
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:46:58 AM

I'm tired of having races capped at 12-16 drivers, so, if their network can't handle significantly higher numbers, such as what PC racing sims allow comfortably and reliably, then something is very wrong. They said it would be faster. Let's see how fast. And when they do release it, will our PS3s run on it, too?

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CrusaderForever
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:40:07 PM
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I didn't think it was possible but they surpassed all my expectations. Now, the worst part........waiting. It's going to be excruciating waiting for the Playstation 4 to launch.

I love how the Playstation Cloud will have a presence on the PS4 so any Remote Play will be seamless and fast. Playing a game while it's downloading....amazing!

Killzone Shadow Fall looked beyond wonderful. However, I really wanted to see Uncharted 4. Oh well, I am sure we'll see Uncharted 4 at E3. Speaking of E3, just how amazing is E3 going to be?!!!!

I can see Microsoft and Nintendo execs sitting in their chairs frozen. They all look down at the same time and see that they pissed their pants!! Well done Sony, Long Live Play!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 10:53:17 PM
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Highlander, if you will-

I am not a tech person. I think you know that by now. I have no idea what x86 or any of the other numbers mean.

So here's where I come out: I don't really need the bestest graphics in the world. From what I saw in that presentation, I saw significantly better graphics than what we currently have on the PS3. Perhaps not the same jump between PS2 and PS3, but nobody in the industry expected that kind of leap.

Are you telling me that because the technology is "safe" and will be outdated soon that I won't get any games I want to play? I mean, isn't that the whole point of all this? Unless you're saying Microsoft will outstrip the PS4 in terms of hardware...and if it doesn't, then really, what does it matter?

I'm not a fan of streaming and digital and all that social media junk, either. And I hadn't expected the PS4 to be backwards compatible in any way. No biggie, I'll just keep the PS2 hooked up so I can play my entire PS2 and PS1 library easily enough. I don't think I have much interest in going back to playing PS3 games, and I've explained why before.

So I like the look of Killzone 4, DriveClub, inFamous: Second Son, and the tech demos from Capcom, Quantic Dream and Square Enix. I think others like it, too. I'm not sure why you haven't mentioned those games...why be so obsessed with the hardware? Without the GAMES, it's meaningless, right?

I guess maybe what you're saying is that we won't see the increase in quality over the span of a generation, which is what we're used to seeing from PlayStation. Developers suck at working with a new PlayStation platform at first, which is why we get Fantavision, Summoner, and X-Squad at the start of the PS2 generation, and get Final Fantasy XII, God of War 2, and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater at the end of it.

Okay, so it won't happen this time around. But is that really a bad thing? Shouldn't the PS4 try to be more competitive and accessible right off the bat? They tried the super high-end thing last time...and the launch was a nightmare. And NOW you've got even more entitled and cheap gamers than ever before, what with a huge percentage of the community being labeled as casual. You can't really expect them to get all fancy and release a $700 or $800 machine, can you? It'd be suicide, I think.

I just want good games I can play. I'm not sure what I should think the PS4 can't give me that. That's all.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:04:10 PM

And Sony looks primed to give this machine the backing it needs to have fantastic next gen gaming experiences that won't be found on Xbox or on PC, so yeah PS4 is gonna rule because of what it promises to deliver and that's all there is that matters.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:12:11 PM

Yeah, I want the Cell cpu over X86 as much as anyone, but after what I saw, which I believe can only get better, I'm plenty satisfied so I don't care as much anymore. Really, before the show, I was still on the fence about X86.

If early games can look like what Watchdog, Killzone, Second Son, and the Agnis demo, I'm good and there shouldn't be any reason for me to gripe over what's on the inside if I'm content with what it produces. I'll be using the PS4 to play games, not calculate the physics of the universe.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:22:44 PM

@Highlander

It's funny how you say the graphics leap won't be as big as PS2-PS3.

The fact is, graphics are at a point where they can't leap too far, real life is real life, how can you get more realistic than real life? Eventually we will hit a graphical wall.

It's also funny how one of the top guys from Epic games, the company who created arguably the most advanced and graphically superior gaming engine to date (the Unreal 4), COMPLETELY disagrees with you. He said himself the leap will be just as big, if not bigger, than the leap from the previous generation.

The push forward is for the sheer processing power.

IF a developer is able to max out the graphics from the get-go, that is a great thing! because it means developers won't spend the next 7 years making the graphics look better, they can work on the actual game mechanics being better. Maybe this generation won't see so many shitty games.

The PS4 has 16x the amount of RAM that the PS3 had. That same guy from Epic said himself how much of a huge deal that is. Several developers have said over the years how restricted they were because of the PS3's RAM, that is the whole reason why we had to install so many games.

If you are tech minded, then you should know that PC specs and console specs should and won't ever be compared. A PC has so much more going on, whereas a console is nearly 100% focused to the game.

Ben, honestly I'd even go as far as saying that Sony have still aimed very high with the specs, all the rumors I seen pointed towards them only having 4GB GDDR5.

They exceeded my expectations with the PS4, and myself, as a technically minded person, am impressed and excited for what is to come this generation. It will be the generation where the gameplay will be the focus.

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:33:13 PM

Yeah, I am actually excited for unique, creative experiences right from the start. We shouldn't have to wait for the end of the generation to finally get risky and breathtaking masterpieces. Like Kazunori Yamauchi said, simple means more possibilities. That to me is the perfect platform.

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:33:19 PM

If Killzone is better on Ps4, then hey, it's a win in my book.

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Temjin001
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:09:38 AM

two real neat things about PS4's tech is that the CPU and GPU are one die, apparently that is. I think I read that from the conference. Process communication should be very nice between the two elements. This isn't normal for conventional PC design as the GPU interfaces with a MB bus. Also having access to 8GB of unified GDDR5 is another huge perk. So while some elements are conventional in PC's world there are definitely unconventional aspects of the PS4's design that make it better geared for gaming than spec for spec PC equivalents.
And really, the trailer's have done the talking. We're looking at a nice, at least as big of jump from Xbox to 360 here and in some ways the RAM increase is simply unprecedented.


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Temjin001
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:31:08 AM

http://kotaku.com/5985828/next+gen-screenshots-show-a-little-killzone-murder-on-the-ps4

Be sure to click the 'full size' shots too ;)
No way in a million years could a PS3 touch that.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:36:54 AM

I don't think Highlander has seen the tech demo from QD. Then again maybe he has. I just can't help but think that David could simply persuade anyone with that demo that the PS4 is a powerful piece of hardware. He even went on saying this is what we will see in games, and to think that was all in real time too. Really awesome stuff.

I'm gonna listen to QD and Cage at this point, because what they've shown me, speaks much louder than anything anyone could say to me. All of those videos from KZ to Drive club were just unreal. Drive Club really surprised me, they really did put a ton of detail into those cars, great stuff. That would make at least 3 developers saying things to the extent that before the PS4 they couldn't do what they are now.

And if anyone still thinks they have an argument, check out Media Molecules tech demo, that was unbelievable. I had a huge smile on my face the moment it started. Get real! This machine is capable of that? Never would have thought that! Loss for words honestly.

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SayWord
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:42:08 AM

ive lost all the respect i had for highlander.

i am not sure what happened to him but lately he has become one entitled spoiled whiny brat.

i just cant fathom how one would be upset at a more mainstreamed console that will allow more games and more fun for us. he is off his knocker.

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:00:10 AM

The RAM alone will allow games like Skyrim to run a LOT smoother. Like wholey crap kind of smooth.

Bad thing is, from the way the Bethesda guy was in his post-announcement interview, I have a bad feeling that they are holding back a Fallout 4 announcement till the Xbox announcement event, and making it a next-gen xbox debut title.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:11:40 AM

Akuma, don't put words into my mouth. If you have read my posts before you should be well aware that I have said that the graphical leap from PS3 to PS4 will not be like the leap from PS2 to PS3. That's true for a plethora of reasons, not least of which is the practical limitation of 1080p which is for all intents and purposes the hard limit since no one has TVs with higher resolution yet, and even in 10 years time they will be few and far between.

Oh yes, the oodles of memory will just be wonderful right? Doesn't alter the number of processor cycles the thing has.

@SayWord
I'm not here to gain your respect. You can shove your whiny brat crap. If you want to insult me, at least be accurate and call me a technology snob.

Technologically this system is ordinary. They gave it a nice amount of memory, but the rest of the architecture is ordinary.

Ben, yes, you are correct, the system will be easier for developers to exploit early on, and we won't have the 3-4 waves of games each of which being a leap beyond the one before. PlayStations have always had long legs because if their high performance architectures. This playstation will seem great at first and then will not continue to grow. Someone said it will have a 10 year life for sure. I doubt it. It will be out dated within 4 years.

The online services and cloud stuff are way more significant to me, and show where SOny is ultimately headed. PS4 is the last home console from them. If the streaming works, they will go that way in future, rather than ever larger hardware for the home.

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:20:38 AM

I'm definitely not tech-savvy either . I have to say that I'm not at all worried the PS4 wo't do great. Here's my analogy. You have an infant and an experienced adult painter. You give them both a canvas of the same size, dimensions, etc., same amount of brushes, and same amount of colors of paint.

Now, the infant uses too much paint, whips random blobs of color all over and doesn't even utilize the whole canvas while creating a disaster. The experienced painter makes use of the entire canvas, brushes and paints at their disposal. The painter uses as little as possible to get the best result, leaving plenty of resources to use if needed to further improve their work.

Needless to say, the experienced painter made a more impressive product than the infant despite the fact that they both had the exact same equipment at hand. My point, if not already obvious, is that even if an console's architecture is dated or has less impressive specs, a developer seasoned in the workings of that architecture can still create something amazing.

Specs are important because they can allow for many possibilities but you don't need the best specs/architecture to invoke the senses and emotion.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:44:20 AM

I noticed Highlander is still ignoring the fact that every developer on stage raved about the PS4, and hasnt elaborated one bit on what we all just witnessed as nothing less than amazing.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 3:02:44 AM

Railer, I'm ignoring nothing. They can rave all they like today, in two and a half years they'll be pissed because the thing will be out of steam.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 8:55:32 AM

@Ben,
that is an excellent summary with completely legit arguments. Not bad for a non techie ;)

No but seriously, what you say there is really the crux of the matter here.

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Simcoe
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:51:14 AM

Not very nice SayWord, all Highlander is doing is stating that he is not impressed with the hardware specs. He is entitled to his opinion and that shouldn't expose him to personal attacks. He hasn't said anything negative about the software.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:52:11 AM

With all due respect to Highlander I am going to have to side the Sony Engineers and believe they have created an all encompassing console with massive potential and longevity.

I am very pleased that I will see graphics and new game play options SOON! :) Also, if I can get graphics like this or even better for the next 8-10 years you can count me extremely impressed and happy with Sony's Engineers. No more crappy ports!! No more the Playstation platform is very difficult to make games on. All we have is an unbelievable and unified gaming development generation.

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xenris
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:05:45 AM

I entirely agree with Ben, something that doesn't happen often. I'll check and see if the moon is blue or something.

As for highlander...I have read all of the posts until this point and all I can say is relax dude. If you don't think they will be able to still optimize games 5+ years down the road then how come they were able to do it for the Xbox 360 even though it was weaker than the PS3 in many ways AND used PC architecture?

Further more, if games like Temjin was saying look this good as good as KZ4 looked last night, then how will people be pissing in 5 years when games STILL look that good? Because lets face this fact, not EVERYTHING is about graphical leaps, and from what it looks like with the tech demos they made a good enough technological leap to get rid of the artifacts that are usually really apparent like low shadow textures, jaggies etc. So from here they have the power to make games look great and then have room to play with improving AI behaviour, making games just crazy huge, and adding more detail to game worlds.

Will PCs surpass it, or better yet are there PCs better than the PS4 right now? Absolutely, but that does not diminish what the PS4 is. It is a consumer friendly console, with enough power to look way better than any PS3 game I have seen.

You praise the Cell processor and while it is powerful there were some things wrong with it and it had its own limitations. From what I heard from my tech friends, one of which has been building and coding since he was 3, yeah he has aspurgers, but is somewhat of a savant so I trust what he says over whatever rant you will try to counter with that.

But at the end of the Day, the tech demos I saw for KZ4 and that Capcom game looked way better than anything on the PS3 I have seen. So even if devs only optimize a bit and cap that out within 5 years and games only look a bit better than what we saw last night WHO FREAKING CARES! It looks great to the lowest common denominator and that is why sony made the move they did. It was cheap for them, and they aren't selling at a loss, AND it does use some special tricks that conventional PCs are not using like Temjin said.

So really at this point I have no clue what your ranting about. Your pissed, your repeating yourself(something I do to for sure), but more importantly what DO YOU want? What do you want to accomplish.

Otherwise...just keep playing your high end PC like I do when I want great graphics, and well I guess you wont be getting a PS4 but I would say use your PS4 for the exclusives, much like I do with my PS3.

Consoles have never been ahead of the PC curve when they launch, the technology was never really capable of making something look better than a high end PC, OR if it was capable it isn't demonstrated.

So why are you so upset that the PS4 isn't top of the line when historically console never really were? They were cheap, easy to hook up and play living room TV pcs.

Anyway I'm just confused what your angle is. Or are you just upset and venting, which is totally fine I do it when EA pisses me off :)

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Underdog15
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 8:06:24 PM

Highlander, I would have been happy with new games maxing out the PS3 for another 5 years.

The PS4 is much stronger than the PS3.

Seems to me I'll be happy for at least 8 years, by your standards.

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Hand_of_Sorrow
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:19:10 PM
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excited but yet i can'nt help wonder with focus on social gamming etc,
if us lone wolves are being pushed aside :/

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Akuma07
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:26:08 PM

Doubt it.

Privacy is one thing that will always be an important factor in social media, the PS4 SHOULD act like everything else, you can turn what you don't want off.

I don't plan on using many of the social features.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:41:14 PM

Hey, I'd rather every feature under the sun be on the PS4 and have the option of switching it off rather than not having the feature there at all.

I see it as WIN / WIN!!

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Xbox_Killer
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:47:05 PM

They never said there would be an option of switching it off.

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dkmrules
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:05:07 AM

ITS OPTIONAL
OPTIONAL
MEANING IT IS AN OPTION AND NOT MANDATORY
ITS THERE IF YOU WANT
OPTIONAL
OPTIONAL
OP
TION
NAL

Although having a facebook is pretty much mandatory if you want to get a job these days. Soon it will be illegal not to have one.

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Banky A
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 @ 11:42:39 PM
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I've got my money ready but still on the fence a little bit. Don't care about this social crap since nobody in my contacts gives a damn about PlayStation enough to consistently engage with me.

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daus26
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:39:02 AM

Why would you be on a fence for something that's probably optional? All you have to do is probably ignore the "share" button and whatnot.

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Banky A
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:16:15 AM

Oh we both know it'll be optional, I just don't care for them making efforts to implement it is all :)

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Underdog15
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:12:36 AM
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That Square Enix demo was shown a year ago already. What a joke. And their FF announcement is that they'll tell us at E3? Bull crap.

We all know they're just re-announcing versus....

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:37:27 AM

haha I was joking about the same thing. They are incredibly ridiculous.

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daus26
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:41:03 AM

Lol, I know right.

Well, at least it's good to confirm for sure that the PS4 can run that demo real time.

They also said that the demo took them a very long time to make so perhaps they weren't willing to do so again for a new one, I don't know.

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Buckeyestar
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:47:50 AM
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Wish to hell they would have shown the console. Bluetooth 4.0 would have been better too. Setting aside my money now.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:55:47 AM

I'm not a fan of anything Bluetooth, I really just haven't been fond of it so, either way I don't mind. But I understand where you're coming from, if they can improve upon it they should.

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:26:43 AM
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I'd just like to point out that my opinions have not changed regarding this at all since the first rumors about the PS4 using an AMD x86 APU. I've always felt that an x86 playstation wwas a disaster in the making, and still do. I haven't changed my opinion or stand on any of that, though some of you clearly have. I will watch very closely, but there is a lot of convincing this PC4 has to do to get me to buy it.

We have had many discussions on this topic, and I have expressed my fears before. I won't call out anyone specifically, but more than one of you has said, 'wait and see' during those discussions suggesting that it will all be alright and they'll still have some special sauce in the thing. There ain't no special sauce in this thing unless you could the 8GB of RAM.


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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:47:39 AM

Right... because the tech demo from QD that Cage said we would see from the PS4 games that ran in real time was something weve already seen. Yea, sorry you have no ground to stand on at all. Im not a tech junkie and dont claim to be savvy in that department, but one ill take Cage's word over yours and two, the eyes dont lie.

Furthermore I do find it interesting regardless of what we all seen this evening you continue to push that the Playstation 4 is ordinary.

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Xbox_Killer
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:49:40 AM

@Highlander I feel the same way.

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kokoro
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:54:11 AM

How is it a "disaster"?

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Highlander
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 3:00:42 AM

Railer, I don't care whether you want to believe Cage or not. I've said nothing about anything he presented, so don't try to make it like I am attempting to contradict someone when I'm not. I'm giving an honest appraisal of the system based on the information regarding hardware that we have.

I'm not sure how you think you can say I have no ground to stand on. I do know hardware, and I do know x86 architecture, and I do know a consumer grade system when I see one.

All you've seen is demos. As I have said above, the system has adequate performance, but it's really quite ordinary. Standard AMD x86 cores running under 2GHz, and a GPU already clocked below it's dedicated counterparts on video cards in PCs. These are not screamingly fast components, they ARE ordinary PC parts. If you build a system out of ordinary parts you build a modestly priced, adequate system that is, ordinary. Can it produce nice results? Sure, but what if what you're seeing today represents 90% of what the thing can do, and the games never really get any better?

It's ordinary hardware. Don't try (as others are doing) to put words in my mouth or somehow cast it as if I am contradicting some of the great game developers of the generation, just look at what I am saying, and take your blinkers off.

@kokoro,
It's a disaster because it's little more than a HTPC in a PlayStation case.

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:25:09 AM

You keep saying that the PS4 is just a computer... It's like comparing Apples to Oranges.....

Like, I don't get it hey, what is your problem with this machine?

The specs were upgraded, new social features, game streaming (which is awesome, you can't deny that) and other features I have forgotten..... What else did you want?

How is that ANY different from any of the previous generation leaps?

How much RAM or processing power do you think is enough? 32GB? Tell me one game running on a PC that needs more than 8GB ram to run full specs.

You make it sound like the PS4 is sacrilege to the Playstation brand.

You also said that in 2 1/2 years devs will be pissed because the console is out of steam. Personally... I think this now introduces true game generations. Devs can now spend their entire time on how to make their game amazing, without worrying about mastering the architecture, we will see 7 years of pure games development, with much lower R&D costs for devs.

You're obviously a PC lover, so tell me, Crysis 3 doesn't look that much different to Crysis 2 graphically, I'd even go as far as saying Crysis on a high end PC would look the same and how long ago was that game made?

So from everything you're saying, it sounds like you're going to skip this generation. Oh, but apparently this is the last generation right?

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:34:11 AM

Oh. ALso a funny fact.

Some dude (cant remember who) in a post-announcement interview was talking about how most PC gamers these days don't play on High-end gaming rigs, they are playing or mid range or laptops.

Hence the reason why they didn't need to see High end next gen computer specs.

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xenris
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:16:54 AM

Highlander I think that the clock speeds and some of the other choices are to make it have a really low failure rate.

Remember this is a console not a PC and they want it to be small, affordable and compact to fit in a living room.

I dont think anyone is trying to say its better than it is, or that 5 years later the games will look EVEN better. I think people are saying games look good now, and they will be content with games looking that good in the future.

Because really gameplay comes over graphics, and even still the graphics in the demos looked great. Was it anything we haven't seen on high end PCs? No, but for something that is 500 bucks, and comes with the exclusive games sony offers I think that the console is fine.

Really we are coming to a point where graphics are only going to look so good. Sure we will get rid of artifacting but what is the reason for making something way more powerful when this console will apparently give the devs what they need to make great look games, with better AI, and better worlds than what the PS3 could do?

Because remember PS3 games even exclusives never looked better on a pure technical level than PC games ever. So why are you upset at the PS4 not being able to do that, when the PS3 never did it either?

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:33:40 AM

@bigrailer19
It's one thing to see a demo of a head showing off what the console can do. But it's just a head, nothing else is going on in the screen. Did you see in any of the other demos shown to have the same facial features as the QD head?.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:04:46 AM

Cesar-

So apparently you didnt listen to a word of the show. Cage said this is something we will see in games from the PS4. Even if its in 3 years from now by then it will still be impressive. That was also running on an engine they built for the PS4 and was running in real time.

I shouldn't have to mention the detail in the cars that were shown in drive club but I fear I have to just to legitimize this. Go watch it again! And while you're doing that watch the KZ gameplay too.

Highlander-

Wether you know the x86 or not, you're not developing for the PS4. The
Developers continually talked highly about the x86. You are contradicting them in that way. You're saying its ordinary. They are saying they can finally create games theyve only imagined. The developers of drive club said theyve been waiting 10 years for a system that could handle it. Doesnt sound to ordinary to me. I dont care if its ordinary by PC standards, either. This isn't about pc' this is about the PS4. Apparebtly you dont remember the pc crowd saying the same
thing about the PS3 as you are now.

And you're right we sen demos. Demos that ran in real time. We also seen gameplay from KZ, and a brief experience in DriveClub. Hard to argue against those.

Anyways it is what it is. I respect your opinion, what makes ot difficult to understand though is the high praise elsewhere.

But I think we are all looking at your comments wrong. About 3/4 of the way through this post I realized your merely just saying the parts are nothing special. And in sense that makes the PS4 "ordinary". Maybe it does. But with all the parts involved obviously can assist in developing something special.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:31:54 PM

Bigrailer19, my point is that none of the faces seen on those demos showed the same level of detail as the QD head. I never said none of the games looked fantastic.

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Highlander
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:25:58 PM

Bigrailer,

My personal thoughts and criticisms of the x86 architecture are borne out by decades of criticism from the best names in the business. The x86 architecture has been critiqued into the ground over the decades, so thoroughly that there is no point in my repeating any of it here. X86 developers are hardly likely to bitch and whine about the PS4 when it's allowing them to continue working in the environment that they choose to inhabit.

I don't care at all whether you or any other poster here who is looking at this through rose tinted glasses wishes to believe me or agree with me. I've said the same thing about this for more than a year and nothing presented gives me any reason to change my opinion.

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Hand_of_Sorrow
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:36:27 AM
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despite what i said i'm not on the fence, i know what i'm
spending my money. it might not be this holiday season,
but it will be a ps4 purchase for me the first part of the new year.

hell, as time goes by and the launch date nears, i might be interested
in some of the social features.

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Phoenix
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:08:14 AM
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So, no BC again sony? jeez they really insist that you have to buy games multiple times if you dont want to keep old consoles hooked up. Aside from what is truly a deal breaker for me, it looks.... ok, nice to see they're putting a decent amount of ram in it this time, maybe it wont lock up asmuch as the PS3 does.

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 4:36:40 AM

Quit playing Bethesda games and maybe it won't lock up so much! ;-)

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Phoenix
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:08:06 PM

Haha, while I will admit that bethesda games gave me a fair amount of lock ups, most of mine came from WKC.

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Fane1024
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:15:30 AM
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Well, the Microsoft conference sucked...when does the Sony presentation begin?

;P

In all seriousness, the games looked good, but the rest of the presentation didn't fill me with much hope for the future of PlayStation. It seems like they're trying to emulate the enemy.

The philosophy behind the elements which were emphasized reeks of Redmond.

I don't want my machines to try to predict what I want. I want them to do what I tell them to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

Geez, they even had a f***ing Kinect clone.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:34:57 AM

Its not really a Kinect clone at all. Its a modified PSeye which has been around since the PS2. Theres not much in the way of engineering and design to seperate the peripherals anyways.

The games represented what the console is really about. Every developer went up their bragging about the console and what they could do with it. Two developers raved about it in ways that lets them be far more creative than they ever could have been.

The other stuff is just there for me.

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Fane1024
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 5:35:07 AM

It's a PS Eye(Toy) modified to look and probably work like Kinect.

The DS4 is (aside from the touchpad) a DS3 modified to be more like the 360 controller.

The UI looks more like the 360 dashboard.

Et cetera.

p.s. I should note that I watched the first part of the presentation last, because I missed the beginning when I was in Home, so my impressions are colored by the part that bothered me more than the slew of games. I also haven't seen the games in clean HD yet.

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:16:53 AM

The UI looked like the new PS Store....

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Fane1024
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 7:31:11 AM

You're only making my point. The new store is atrocious.

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 4:32:29 AM
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I guess I can share what I knew before now that specs are official...

Before 2010, Sony's plans for the PS4 was a multi-core "Chimay White" (IBM's code name) POWER-based CPU (which they wanted to get in bulk for ~$70/chip), a 'co-processor' w/ 16 SPEs (a SpursEngine?) and an AMD GPU. The block diagram had other components, but didn't specify what they were, maybe since the document was just about IBM's involvement.

I guess either IBM couldn't provide a cheap enough CPU that was powerful enough for Sony or they just drastically changed their plans.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 4:37:35 AM
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As far as I am concerned this was as good as we could realistically dare hope for. Not one single disappointment, and a lot to be happy for:

- To take the architecture first, let me put it this way: It's hard to beat three decades of developer experience.
I am all for standards, and by doing this Sony place their console in the dead centre of where all development happens, instead of being the exotic outsider trying to blend in.

- 8gb GDDR5 memory? That is *crazy* fast memory, and a lot of it too. I think this is the biggest deal of the whole spec. FINALLY developers get some work space - and with this speed I really need to pull out a cliche and say "the imagination is the limit".
This opens up for *much* more complex gaming worlds and possibilities in regards to persistence, AI, and level of world detail.
Heck, with a memory like that Skyrim could have kept track of the location and state of every single little acorn in the world while you were SPRINTING through the woods without any issues.

- 8 cpu cores in a dedicated gaming machine? Awesome! A *lot* can go on backstage now, adding to the possibilities of game mechanics, something that is of great benefit to games that are more than pure flash and visuals.

But the hardware is one thing, how about the features?

I am so happy, proud and relieved over the fact that Sony has full focus on GAMING. That's what this console is, it's a gaming machine. All the features they've shown are *directly* related to gaming.

How about that instant startup of gaming sessions, just like on handheld consoles? Excellent! Yet another feature that will distance this console from PC gaming.

But how about the software? Again, excellent! Look at that line-up - one can start dreaming about what will further be revealed at E3 now!

There's even something in there for me! I am super happy that Infamous is on the way.
And Watch Dogs is THE system seller for me. I want a PS4, and this is the excuse I needed to get me one.

So, yeah, this is GREAT news. Sony distance themselves from PC gaming by offering unique features instead of exotic architecture, and that is the *right* way to go. Cause after all, what matters to most console gamers is that they want great games with minimum hassle. And that's what the next Playstation is all about.


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0_o
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 5:25:59 AM
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I'm really glad they actually called it PS4 and not anything else. Now I'm hoping they reveal the next Uncharted at E3! It may not be called 4..just like Killzone and Infamous for some reason..maybe they are saving the number titles for later..who knows!

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Ludicrous_Liam
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 6:35:28 AM
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Disclaimer: I was NOT blown away by the conference, so I might come across as a bit of a downer. Sue me.

Jesus, was this the announcement of the Playstation 4, or was it the Socialstation 4? For fuck sake, there's even a share button on the controller. 99% of the content that's going to be on the service (uploaded videos etc) is going to be filled with CRAP, ala facebook. You even had the rudimentry 'you can like this, and then you can like what your friend likes, and then like their likes and then...' y'know!? I could not count how many times I rolled my eyes at all this. Now it really is fine to have all this stuff - truly, it is - but I feel like it was being rammed down my throat. Why is there a share button on the controller; Is it an integral part of the game experiance? NO.

Going on to the games, I saw some impressive upgrades in the visuals for Killzone, and I like the idea of it being inspired by the Berlin Cold war, but just with ISA and Helghan factions. There was a lot of stuff going on, so I can only say that was impressive. The other impressive game/tech demo was what Media Molecule are working on. I LOVE how they kept working with the move even when Sony haven't really pushed it, and that sculpting technology looked perfect. Funny, I was just messing with that Blender 3D modelling program BoomBeam was talking about, and now this comes along. I also love how they're so British. Like, I imagine everybody was a bit puzzled by the outro. But remember some of the trailers for LBP, and look how that turned out.

And the rest, pretty much, gave me no inkling whatsoever to get a PS4. They either were obviously just 'target' renders *cough* Square Enix, or just didn't look like anything that warranted a generational leap. Or, made me feel that the PS3 is a better option.

This might sound a little contrived, but I think the limitations of the PS3 actually help with creative design. You need limitations to let yourself be creative. For example, low memory helps with the pacing of a game, as you can't have massive streches of gameplay without some sort of transition to de-load the previous area and go to the next. Sometimes, developers have too much power than they know what to do with. And while they can still make things look pretty, the design of the game can be a mess. Yes, more of a contrived reason, but another one nonetheless.

But the fact that The Last Of Us, Beyond, and God of War:A are comming out for the PS3 is not contrived at all. I believe there were more reasons that I didn't like the SS4, but I can't remember - don't think I want to, to be honest - but I know I'll be sticking with the PS3 for a few more years at the very least.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 6:53:34 AM

LOL! I don't believe that. Ben, could you delete these 3 comments. It posted it when I didn't want it to, then when I wanted it to it wouldn't. So I tried to paste it over in another document, then that crashed. So I just wasted like 20 minutes. Goddamit.

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___________
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 6:38:49 AM
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im a bit disappointed by the specs to be honest.
happy to see theres allot of features i want there, like being able to pause games and put the system in a low power state ect, but the raw power side of things, i have to say is that all?
ok we dont know the TRUE specs yet, what GPU, whats the clock speed of the 8 core jaguar chip?
what optimizations will it see?
how much VRAM does the GPU have?
but that said lets not forget the system is a APU, so in other words its got a GPU to help out with the CPU.
this looks a bit like the wiiu, the CPU may only be 1.6 judging by rumors, but the APU base will help elevate that.
remember the physics tech demo they showed?
all running off the GPU?

its not what i was worried about, ie a playstationu, but sadly its also pretty close!
its not the quantum leap forward i wanted, its a wii 1.8 where the wiiu is a 1.5.
but at least theres allot of features releasing which should help that.
i just wish $ony stuck with the cell.
yes IBM has abandoned it, yes toshibas out, but theres still leaps and bounds to go with the tech!
playstations signature has always been alien hardware, and a byproduct, a direct result of that alien hardware, has been its SUPER powerful!
the ps3 ran rings around anything but the best PCs when it released!
this, im afraid, wont even compete with a mid range PC!

BTW was it just me, or did the tech demos for UE4 and luminous look worse than they were shown last time?
obviously could be the video being poor quality, but i swear the UE4 tech demo and especially the luminous tech demo, even watch dogs from last year, looked better than what they did today.
back then they were running on high end PCs though, 50 bucks says the tech demos have had to be dummed down because the ps4 is not all developers thought it would be.


color me a bit disappointed........

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:14:49 AM

You.... dissapointed at something on the playstation? Nooooo! Really?!

Captain Buzz Kill over here....

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___________
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:45:19 AM

You.... defending at something on the playstation? Nooooo! Really?!
Captain suck up over here....

kinda hard not to be disappointed when you turn up to a ferrari event, there announcing the replacement to their entry level 458, and find out it has priceless 1 BHP more than the replacement vehicle, and has the same price tag, same looks, and same interior!
so sorry for being a bit disappointed, especially when after 6 f*cking years we should be getting something a HELL of allot better than this!

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 8:01:04 PM

Fact is, your a PC fanboy, and you've spent the majority of your time in the comments sections bashing the Playstation brand. So to hear you bashing the PS4 before it is even released, is expected. Most people on the site have come to expect it from you, which is actually quite funny.

I am not biased about it, IF the PS4 does eventually suck then I will be one of the first to admit it, but I highly doubt it will, because there are people who get paid the big bucks to make sure that doesn't happen. While I will always buy Playstation over Xbox, because of MANY reasons, most of which are more about the brands themselves.

Hahahahahahaha. I just had to re-read your original comment, its really funny, dat end bit "Everything looks worse on the PS4"....."Oh well I guess they WERE running on high end PC's last time". I haven't seen such a massive fanboy in awhile, thank you for reminding me that they still exist.

Tell us, what did you want from it?

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___________
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 9:32:42 AM

and your a playstation fanboy, so fact is $ony could put a rock in a box, engrave ps4 into it, and you will be throwing a 500 dollar check at them!
im disappointed because THE WHOLE point of playstation has ALWAYS been to offer the most powerful console possible!
they have ALWAYS released systems that gave even the most expensive PCs a run for their money!
the ps4 cant compete with a mid range PC from LAST year, let alone how outdated its going to be by the time it releases.
thats why im disappointed!
there, did that get through your thick skull?
because i dont think i can dumb it down much more than that!

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 7:08:44 AM
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Many of you seem to do a straight comparison with PCs and judge it from that. It's just not fair - you can't do that.

It's like comparing a motorbike and a car and say that the motorbike can't beat the car cause the cubic centimetres of the engines are the same.

To just talk about the hardware components is, at best, only talking about a slice of the whole picture.


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___________
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:50:04 AM

yes, yes you can!
problem is these specs are outdone by a freaking bog standard PC let alone a decent medium range gaming PC!
and thats now, what about 6 months time when the GTX 750 is out?
and a good few months before the ps4 will be released!
point is consoles ALWAYS release and blow away everything but the most advanced expensive PCs out there!
they NEED to, because unlike PCs there not going to be replaced in 3 or so years!
3 years max and were going to start seeing the roof hit again, and be wanting a new generation, a full 4 years earlier than we did this gen!
i always said this would be the last generation because they should last 6+ years like the ps3 has, and by then streaming services should be ready to take over.
by skimping with the ps4 $ony have shot themselves in the foot, its going to force them to release another console simply because this is going to hit the roof 3 years in not 6, and streaming wont be ready by then.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:21:42 AM

What is so bog standard about a 8 core CPU? Heck I just ordered an awesome 4 core CPU!
And 8 gigs of GDDR5 ram? What the heck is low- or even mid range about that?
What is bog standard about the features this box offers - yes that *too* is part of the package here! The fancy controls, the new camera, all that stuff is part of the package.

Essentially, I want to point at Bens post further up in the comments field here cause that pretty much perfectly sums it up - although from a non tech-perspective, what he says there really is what this is all about.

There is *plenty* room to grow with this machine. Just you wait and see. For the developers to know *exactly* the hardware they write for is such an immense advantage that this alone will make this console stand tall and proud against higher spec'ed PCs for a long time. Not on paper but in actual, real life performance. Mark my words.

This hardware offer loads of potential - not to mention *flexibility* - for developers to work on for a long time.

And then later on, when PC gaming most definitely has beaten that gen consoles we will still have all the great games coming for our console, running smooth like a charm.

If you are a technology masturbator, a gadget freak, if you really really need the most powerful, sickest gaming hardware at all cost - you do not buy a console, PERIOD.

The only thing that could cause trouble in paradise is if the MS box is significally better. But it will not be. It can't.

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Crabba
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 5:24:31 PM

Beamboom the 8gb of RAM is not the problem with the PS4, in fact that's actually plenty but RAM doesn't do any processing, the CPU & GPU does.

Whether it's a 4-core or 8-core CPU says very little about its performance, if it did, the PS3 would be next-gen too then since it's also basically a 8-core CPU. The problem is that according to the info known it's based on a low-end AMD APU that's normally targetted for value entry-level laptops, not gaming machines. Which makes the PS4 8-core CPU far behind even normal mid-end current-gen Intel I5/I7 CPUs.

Same thing with the GPU, if the GPU used is the one rumored (which unfortunately seems to be the case since most of the other specs line up with earlier rumors) it's based on a low-end several gens old GPU that is nowhere close to current gen even mid-level Radeon/NVidia GPU's.

That's the problem. Now I still have a TINY hope that Sony left out the GPU specifics in the reveal to be able to put in a more powerful GPU at a later stage, when pricing has dropped further (which GPU's always do) and they know how much GPU performance they can get at a set price point... They could easily do that and not affect anything else in the system or cause any issues for games in development.

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Beamboom
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 3:16:18 AM

Crabba, I refer to my last paragraph in the original post; you can't do a 1:1 comparison.

Look at what they managed to squeeze out of the pretty standard at the time, and eventually seriously aged, Nvidia chipset on the PS3. Surely you must agree that they managed to make those chips sing on a level we never saw on a PC with equal graphics cards.

This is where most fails: They do a 1:1 comparison, and we just can't do that. Both the PS3 *and* the X360 has proved this.

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Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 9:49:54 AM

1.6GHz, if rumors are accurate, thats whats bog standard!
for christs sake i havent seen a CPU running under 2 since freaking dual cores came out!

the GPU as well is pretty disappointing.
the performance $ony mentioned in the press confrence yesterday, they said the APU, so the GPU AND CPU COMBINED offer just under 2 TFLOPS!
1.84 if memory serves me is the exact number.
the GTX 650, the CHEAPEST gaming video card out there, and this is just the GPU alone, is 1.6!
and thats a old card, by the time the ps4 is out the GTX750 would of been out for 6 months and probably had a price drop!

point being the ps4 is SIGNIFICANTLY under powered!
playstation has been so successful because its brought futuristic expensive hardware to the masses.
they took ferraris and tuned them to a price us mere mortals could afford!
now though there taking fords, and, well.......
im afraid they have lost their identity, their purpose.
the point of playstation is to bring the best hardware possible to the masses.
there not doing that though, the ps4 is quite old hardware.
so they have lost their reason to exist.

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Highlander
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:29:33 PM

Beamboom what the squeezed out of the RSX was substantially enhanced by what talented developers squeezed out of 6 SPEs running in series or parallel at 3GHz. Recent games say nothing about the RSX, they ar highly dependent on talented programmers using the CellBE the way is should be used.

And I agree with Crabba and Mr. Underline completely, these specs are crap and there's no denying that it's an assembly of consumer grade components running at ordinary clock speeds. The only stand out spec is the 8GB of memory, and that's about it. That won't be stand out in a year's time either.

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Crabba
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 3:05:36 PM

Beamboom, what Highlander said: it's not the RSX they've magically been able to turbocharged into something twice as powerful, it's because of clever developers like Naughty Dog being able to fully utilize all the Cell cores for graphics duties. The RSX alone would never be able to do what we see games like Uncharted 2/3 etc do...

Problem here is the PS4 doesn't have the power-horse equivalent of the Cell, it has an entry-level CPU to go with that entry-level GPU.

Also most people who think PS3 gets so much extra power out of the graphics compared to PC are forgetting the fact that very few if any PC gamers are playing at resolutions as low as 720p, and if you look at benchmarks, that's one of the major power-draws from a GPU.

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xnonsuchx
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 10:01:45 PM

At least it won't be running a Windows OS! ;-)

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Sir Dan
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 8:52:44 AM
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I never doubted Sony for an instant. The Playstation I bought in 1996 impressed me enough to become an unabashed fanboy. With each new release of this incredible box, I have only become more in love with this gaming system. The PS4 looks to be an incredible console. I have always waited a year or so to buy the latest box due to initial price and the fact I would always have a few games to finish on the previous system. But after last night I can say I will not only get this day one but I will preorder for the first time. I am pumped. Thank you Sony. May the the PS4 absolutely destroy the competition.

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Gabriel013
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:49:26 AM
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It does look nice but I am in no way convinced to buy on launch. There is still more than enough in the PS3 for me to delay my PS4 purchase until I see it out in the hands of gamers and read proper unbiased feedback.

If they want to to tick a box in my mind the I'd like them to announce that the PS1 to PS3 streaming can be driven from owning the original disc (so if I own Dragon Age and put the disc in the tray Sony then give me access to stream it from their servers). If I have to buy everything new then I really won't be pleased.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:48:35 AM
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... And now The Witcher 3 is confirmed for Playstation 4!

Now THIS is what I talk about. The effect of the architectural shift is already beginning to show.
It's all about the games, folks. All about the games.

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sirbob6
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:55:35 AM

I wonder how the ubersampling will handle on the PS4. I know 2's would bring even top tier PCs to their knees.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 3:44:25 PM

Yeah me too.
Furthermore I wonder if the first two will be made available for the PS4 as well, while they are at it. RPG fans deserve to get them all!

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Highlander
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:31:21 PM

You sound like you're a gloating PC fanboy Beam, I'm surprised.

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Beamboom
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 2:06:22 PM

Oh come on, High. You're trying too hard now.
I am just a RPG fanboy who are very excited that great franchises are coming to our platform.

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sirbob6
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:54:26 AM
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I wonder when we will get the specs on the hardware? I'm, extremely interested how they will stack against everything.

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Simcoe
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 10:56:18 AM
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It seems we have become accustomed to progressively longer and longer intervals between generations, but if we look back at the 90's the interval between hardware generations was about 5 years (for both Sony and Nintendo). PS2 was six years, but whose to say that Sony would have loved to have released the PS3 in autumn of 2005 if only the blu-ray tech would had been a bit more mature? My point is perhaps Sony does want a much lower hardware cycle - they have primarily been a hardware company! It's not unreasonable to think that they want to move a shorter cycle of say four or five years and Sony hasn't said (yet) how long they intend this generation to last. Plus everyone knows that Apple has been successful releasing new iterations about once every 12 months.

Perhaps this generation was an anomaly. Sony had A LOT riding on the PS3 - specifically blu-ray and they lost a lot of money early on to ensure that format won. Also with high initial cost of the PS3 for consumers and the difficulties developers had with the CellBE, perhaps that was another consideration to let this generation last a bit longer.

While some people (Highlander included) are not really thrilled with the hardware specs, stating that they'll be obsolete in two or three years, perhaps that's by design (shorter cycle). Plus we know that with a console being a standardized closed system, developers will be able to squeeze out more potential than the moving target that is seen with regular PC gaming.

As Akuma07 pointed out, if developers are able to master the hardware much sooner, perhaps they'll have more time/resources to put into longer or better games or try revolutionary new things they they never had the time to try in the past.

I will say that it probably is a kick in the teeth for all those software engineers out there that took the time and mastered programming for the Cell, suddenly it seems their unique skill-set will become redundant.

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MasterGT
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:08:27 AM
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Hmmm, another always on device eating up jigawatts of power.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:15:28 AM
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I'd just like to add something to this discussion-

I really don't think enough people were listening to the developers on stage. And I mean REALLY listening. I always have a habit of observing people (have since I was young), and there's something important I took from many of those verbal presentations.

Look, this is a business. We all know that. So I'm sure you can make a developer excited if you pay them a lot of money to do something they love to do, anyway. However, I don't believe there's any amount of money that can put a certain tone in a person's voice, whether it's talking in person or on a stage.

Listen to David Cage during his tech engine presentation. Listen to (forget his name) the guy introducing inFamous: Second Son. Listen to the Guerrilla boss talking about Killzone, or the Evolution boss talking about DriveClub, or the Media Molecule head honcho talking about the next generation of hardware and Move.

Listen to them. They sound like giddy schoolkids. They're not just hopeful and that isn't restrained enthusiasm. To me, those are people who have worked with the new system Sony is announcing and have come away VERY happy. And we can argue specs all we want. I'm fairly certain these guys know what they're looking at and if they're THAT excited to show off what they've already done (with games demos) and what they could do in the future (with tech demos), I can't help but be excited. Why doubt them? That seems 100% genuine.

They're happy to have a system they really fully understand right from the get-go, and they're happy to deliver excellent experiences right out of the gate. That's what it sounds like to me. I listen to David Cage, I hear someone who can't wait to take advantage of the PS4 to make even more emotional and even more "human" games, if you will. Listening to all those guys, their tones, their expressions, not exactly WHAT they were saying, is what I took away from that conference.

And that's why I reserve the right to consider it a success. :)

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Comic Shaman
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:48:23 AM

The developers you mentioned are some that I consider to be at the forefront of real innovation. Crytek, for instance, likes to innovate in superior graphics... which is not that interesting to me when the end product is just a better-looking shooter. Quantic, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule--these are the sorts of developers that make the strides in storytelling and gameplay that I care about.

So to see them happy is a very good thing.

I just don't think that raw hardware power is as important a factor this gen as it has been in any of the previous ones. Even if the PS4 is "obsolete" in a few years, this really only impacts the bleeding-edge hardware wonks. Average users don't upgrade their PCs that quickly, nor do they care about incremental differences in graphics performance.

I see why Sony took the direction it did, and I think it's a wise move in the marketplace. I'm excited about some of the features, skeptical about the others (especially this business about streaming cloud games... hmm), and not interested in others (social stuff, mostly). I care about the games, and like you, Ben, I'm very encouraged to see the developers I respect feeling psyched about the PS4.

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:32:17 PM

This *is* a success, Ben. It just is, it can not be described any other way. Definitely a success amongst developers and for obvious reasons, but also in the press and - dare I say - the majority of console gamers out there.

I think the main problem for some die-hard fans is that over the years they've been so broiled about the Playstation being "different" and why that is good, that they now kind of meet themselves in the doorway. But once the new PS is out and has been given a chance to prove itself, all that will quiet down.


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dkmrules
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 7:02:04 PM

This

The devs heard 8 gigs of GDDR5 ram and they were cumming themselves.

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___________
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 9:35:54 AM

ben, what do you expect them to say?
hey guys, were spending millions of dollars creating games for a system that sucks?
the future of their company rides a good portion on the ps4, so of course there going to be sitting here praising it as the second coming!
christ, thought that was pretty self explanatory........

wake me up when we see a indie developer, someone whos future does not ride on the ps4, level the same comments about it.

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ulsterscot
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:33:06 PM
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what im wondering is - will the online for eg COD be cross platform with the PS3? because most of my friends will likely not switch over for a year of 2 and i'd rarther not buy for both the ps3 and ps4

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Simcoe
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:50:24 PM

Good question!

We know it can be done with the cross-play PSV/PS3 games.

It's never been done with PS3/360 games because MS doesn't allow it (I remember Criterion Games stating that a few years ago with regards to Burnout Paradise).

I could see there being an issue with PS3/PS4 games if PS4 games allowed more online players at once.

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 8:17:20 PM

Yeah, this is one thing I really want to know.

I'm in the same boat, most of the people I know won't get a PS4 for years to come.

Hey, at least getting to #1 on the COD leaderboard won't be too hard!

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gruvsf
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 12:48:40 PM
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Gotta love the announcement of Sony supported used games for the PS4. Microsoft just took a dump in the corner while they were overheard sobbing and whimpering.

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telly
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 1:34:47 PM
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Just an awesome presentation all in all. I for one really hope the remote play they promised for Vita is as awesome as they hint it will be. Three big questions:

1) How far away from your PS4 can you get and still play the games? David Perry seemed to be insinuating you could be anywhere there's a wifi connection, but that seems almost too good to be true.

2) how many games will work with it?

3) if the system can truly stream nearly all PS4 games from almost anywhere, how many Vita-dedicated games is Sony going to bother making?

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Beamboom
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 3:11:46 PM

1) Since it will use the wi-fi to transfer the data it's not too good - it *is* true. :)

2) I would assume all - this is a system feature, it should not need to be supported by the games.

3) Let me turn that question around: If Sony don't release Vita-dedicated games, how many will bother to buy it? I believe they still *have* to produce Vita games.

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telly
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 10:51:40 AM

I like the way you think, Beamboom! I think Vita's future is sounding quite a bit brighter following that presser.

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Highlander
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:38:44 PM

wifi - introduces additional latency in Net packet transmissions. The latency problem is something no one wishes to talk about apparently. Streamed gaming, remote play, etc...yes, let's just ignore the elephant in the room shall we? Besides, Sony say they are working on it. so we'll just assume that they can solve a problem that's existed since the birth of the internet...

Don't believe? Just look at the fact that with just about any peer-peer game hosting wired connections are by far preferable - because latency issues cause lag when a wireless gamer hosts.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 2:08:24 PM
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Now now everyone, let us not let our excitement or anger run away with us. The force is strong with this one.

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Akuma07
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 8:18:06 PM
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I never ever thought I would see this site so divided by our opinions over the new Playstation console.

I never really understood why people come to a PS only website and then bash the PS. lol

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Fane1024
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 7:49:34 AM

I didn't see anyone bashing...just disappointed (although I didn't read all of ____'s comment). I did see a few appearances of the Sony Defense Force, though.

For my part, there is exactly 0% chance that I will buy any next-gen system other than the PS4. Sony only needed to do/say about three things to convince me to buy a PS4 at launch. Not only did they do NONE of those things, but they pretty much did the opposite in each case.

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Highlander
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:36:12 PM

Fane, thank you for stating that, it's exactly how I feel, and said in a better way than I could manage.

110% agreed my friend.

Perhaps Akuma has forgotten how staunchly we and others have defended Sony in the past...or perhaps he just doesn't remember because he wasn't here?

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Roach721
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 9:22:17 PM
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It will be delayed untill next year... Mark my words.

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