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Source: "Top-Line Publishers" Already Working On PS4 Stuff

The rumors concerning the next generation of hardware continue to thrive, the latest of which saying that the new Xbox will require a constant Internet connection (uh-oh).

But more "inside sources" have apparently been talking to VG24/7, and it seems Sony is "confident" that they'll beat Microsoft to the punch this time around. In fact, the "design goalposts" for the new PlayStation were in place over two years ago, and the system should be ready for Christmas 2013 (about the same time as the rumored launch for the new Xbox). The source also said to keep an eye on next year's E3 keynotes...yes, next year's.

"Sony are completely in the belief that they have the jump on Microsoft this time. You should be watching the timing of next year’s E3 keynotes, and who’s going to go first."

Another source has claimed that all next-gen consoles will be on store shelves "by 2014." Furthermore, it appears the biggest publishers and developers "already know what's going on."

"Top line publishers already know about it. Developers working with publishers – like Ubisoft, for example – already know what’s going on. They’re already working on it."

Specific details on the system are lacking (unless you count all the unconfirmed info), but it almost seems inevitable that we won't make it through 2013 without seeing at least one new console. At this rate, chances are, we'll see both Sony and Microsoft release their fresh hardware to the market some time before or during next year's holiday rush.

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, next-gen, next generation consoles

4/2/2012 10:12:05 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (35 posts)

Highlander
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:28:07 AM
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If the design was essentially in place two years ago, perhaps we should look back two years and see what PS4 stories there were. IIRC there was a story about that time that indicated that Sony had completed the design work and essentially put the design on the back burner for now (at the time) until it would be needed. In other words at the time the story was that the design for the PS4 was done, with the exception of the final spec on the chips since they were not going to manufacture yet. I'll have to go back and see what I can find...

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Highlander
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:38:59 AM

There was this story;

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/8572.html

and this one;

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/9147.html

I remember reading some more elsewhere, but can't find those as easily.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:40:38 AM
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It'll be interesting to see how Sony/MS will try to keep these rumors quiet hoping not to cannabalize sales of the current consoles.

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Highlander
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:46:56 AM

I think the answer for Sony is simple. $50 price cut. A $199 PS3 will kill any concerns over cannibalizing the market since buyers of a $199 PS3 are not early adopters of a PS4.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:48:45 AM

Very true. $200 is probably the sweet spot for alot of consumers. I'd like to think that they make that announcement at this year's E3 to generate some excitement/sales for one last holiday for the PS3.

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cLoudou
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 12:34:32 PM

If rumors are true that the PS4 will not be Backwards Compatible, it should not hinder sales of the PS3.

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Highlander
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 1:05:20 PM

No, but it might hinder sales of the PS4...

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cLoudou
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 1:07:47 PM

Possibly but it didn't hurt the 360

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Fane1024
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 4:43:14 AM

Xbox didn't have any games worth playing.

;P

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Lord carlos
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:47:34 AM
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Too early.
What new hardware innovation is there for sony to promote with ps4??(ie.dvd/blu-ray)
The last guardian & Agent don't even have release dates yet,e3 ps4 announcement means at least another 1.5-2 years before it hits the market!


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Highlander
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 11:00:08 AM

It's actually 7 years after the PS3 which is about a year late based on past performance. interestingly even though the speed of innovation increases with every year and the length of a computational generation has also shrunk with passing time, this will be the longest period between console launches.

7 years is about 4 generations of technology. So if PS4 does arrive in 2013, it's actually a very fair time for it to arrive. Given the economic picture since 2006, an extra year this generation was to be expected since the economy essentially skipped a year with the depth of the recessions. So 7 years is a good time technologically and economically.

The trick will be bringing the PS4 in at around $400. But since they won't have a $300+ BluRay drive to worry about (factory gate prices for BluRay drives are well under $50 now) a big chunk of the price is already taken care of. This time though Sony needs to have a GPU that costs $100 or less, and budget the CPU in at no more than about $150. I doubt that they will want to lose $300-$400 per unit at launch this time around.

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Lord carlos
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 11:21:58 AM

True the tech inside the ps3 is 7 years old but i have yet to see anything developed for pc that clearly blows the current gen consoles out of the water and makes me think"yeah new consoles are needed",i mean sure skyrim & battlefield 3 look beautiful,clearer & more defined on high end pc's but i think crysis still looks just as good now as it did in 2007.
Anyway i think the technology leap is not sufficient enough yet to justify a new round of consoles.

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___________
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 4:48:50 AM

exactly my point there is no reasons why we need new systems.
only format out there that would require new systems thats ready is for full HD 3D support, but does that really warrant new 600+ dollar consoles?
wait till 2014 when the 4K TVs are finally out!

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Highlander
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 9:44:57 AM

Anonymous Cowherd,

4K TVs are not going to take the market by storm for a variety of reasons, first and foremost is that to see all the pixels on one you need eyes with superior vision to humans. The viewing distance for a 55" TV is 8-10 feet. At that distance it's essentially a retina display. If you double or quadruple the resolution you again increase the size of the screen and the appropriate viewing distance. There are not many people who have room for such things and fewer still will pay the hideously inflated prices when it becomes clear that the benefit of the additional resolution is quite limited.

Of course we could also mention the simple fact that 1080p is still working through the process of becoming mainstream, BluRay is already fully 1080p even in 3D, and Hollyweird was not real happy with that level of quality on a home video presentation, 4K resolution is more or less film resolution and really eats into the advantages of a theater presentation.

But, hey, you get your 82-inch 4K display, sit 4 feet from it and get a sore neck from looking around the screen (and tilting your head) so that you can follow the action. The rest of the known world will continue to enjoy their 1080p without noticing any meaningful difference.

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___________
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 8:21:18 AM

case in point then.
there is nothing out there that warrants new systems yet.
obviously better graphics and DX11 or future support, but that does not warrant the purchase of a 5,6,7,8,9 hundred dollar system!
only things that would make a new generation worthwhile then would be ray tracing and online features like onlive and neither of those are ready yet.
so theres really zero point to releasing new consoles, especially in the economy were in now, and especially since allot of people just bought one within the last 2 years because thats when they finally became affordable.

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Highlander
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 1:04:44 PM

I think that the image quality is more important to the next generation than the absolute resolution. 1080p60 is the wall into which any resolution arguments will run. but as you say (Mr Underline) ray tracing and other approaches, more filtering and post processing and other techniques will improve the quality of that 1080p image way beyond anything we have on consoles today.

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___________
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 9:35:31 AM

of course it is but thats exactly my point none of those things will be ready for next gen!
hell my dual 570s struggle to break 10FPS on design garrarge which is using ray tracing to render 1 car a road and a few sky scrapers.
a static immage!
were a looooooooooooooooooong way from creating whole games with it!
only thing we could do for next gen is every game native 1080P 60FPS higher texture detail and more open worlds, better AI, things like that but im not sure that would warrant a generation shift.
thats what really concerns me theres nothing worse then for a company thats bleeding money for the past 6 years to go spend a arm and a leg on R&D for a new console and it ends up flopping.
thats what worries me, there are very few people ATM who can afford a new console.
and the few that could wont want to because the leap from ps3 to ps4 is allot smaller then it has ever been!
you always need something significantly better to warrant a shift, and this time we just dont have it.
games can get bigger, better, smoother, faster, but not to the extent where it warrants a new 5,6,7,8,9 hundred dollar console!

only thing that i can see warranting a new console is some type of new controller or something like what ninty is offering with the tablet device with the wiiU.
but even then im not so sure even with the better graphics, new amazing controller, im still not so sure that really is enough to warrant a new generation.

fact is technology has been travelling EXTREMELY slow the last 10 years!
look at TVs where have we come in the last 12 years?
weve gone from CRT which used fluro tubes, to LCDs which use fluro tubes, to LEDs which use fluro tubes.
oh and weve had plasmas the only really new tech we have had in the screen department in the past 12 years!
we need something new and amazing that requires new consoles.
sadly yet we dont have it.

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Temjin001
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:48:52 AM
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The sinking feeling that the worst of gamer outcries are yet to come. Once the skinny of these new systems become official I have no doubt the ME3 ending backlash will seem a small thing relatively. It'll be interesting to see if gamers will get their way, given if the new consoles don't fly off shelves as they have historically.

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Highlander
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:55:08 AM

I think that backlash is a sign of spoiled gamers to be honest. I don't see them as an issue because they are not early adopters in any case.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 10:52:18 AM
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I used to without a doubt believe that GT6 would be on the PS3. Now, something tells me that GT5 was released for the fans when this whole time GT on the Orbis was the end goal.

Whatever Sony has in store, I am sure my PS3 will be traded in for it, albeit grudgingly.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 11:03:47 AM

Even without backwards capability (rumored)? I think I'd want to hold onto my PS3 because of the amount of content I have on the HDD and the number of PS3 games I own. The amount of money I'd get from trading it in wouldn't be worth it IMO. I guess I'd have to see what the PS4 can do though.

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Highlander
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 11:05:45 AM

Yeah, when PS4 arrives, I will buy a PS3 slim at whatever the knockdown price is to ensure I still have a working one years from now...just in case.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 1:29:47 PM

yah, hold on to it, I made one of the stupidest move in the past by trading in my PS1 and most of my games for two PS2 titles that I regretted still to this day.

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BigBoss4ever
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 2:25:56 PM
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i can play my PS3 till 2020, the rest perks can wait until then.

also, with the dumb-ing down of the games these days, I am not sure what I can do with a super powerful PS4 (or wutever it will be called) along with all games that are nothing more but "eye candy" or "flower pot" --- not thrilled to the least when thinking about that.

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Lotusflow3r
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 8:54:03 PM

A valid concern.

But the brightside is still there, don't give up just yet.

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Soultaker
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 2:39:51 PM
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If the PS4 isn't B/C (which i might buy it anyway) it really hinders my mind set but the deal breaker is the used games being locked to an account and not being able to play the full game. If that happens then I won't be buying a PS4. I don't buy the used games that are 5-10 dollars cheaper but usually more 20-25 or so. Otherwise I try to buy new whenever I can to support those devs.

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dbyzforce
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 9:10:39 PM

I am the exact same way. I take advantage of deals that come my way like buying games off friends who finished playing it at times to save on my budget. I do buy new when I can, but if Sony gets that controlling, I may consider not getting the PS4. . I'm worried their will be a backlash by other gamers who will end up resorting to "hacking" to override that restriction then whole new problems will then arise...

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bebestorm
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 3:09:10 PM
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This sounds promising.. I hope this means there will be a awesome 3rd party launch titles.Sorry I've always been more into 3rd party games than Sonys first party. Maybe for the first time I'll buy at launch.

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___________
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 4:52:17 AM
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i dunno about that.
i just cant see $ony being first to the line this time.
another problem i have with this is the E3 2013 reveal and late 2013 release.
systems are always announced a year plus from release!
look what happened to the ps3, it was delayed so many times because of manufacturing issues with bluray and cell.
hell they had to ship with some of the SPUs disabled because they could not get them working they were so behind schedule!
one reason why i find it so hard to believe there going to announce and release a system within 6 months when they normally take 2,3,4, times that amount of time!
6 months is just not enough time from reveal to release!

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Highlander
Tuesday, April 03, 2012 @ 9:45:53 AM

Unless of course the PS4 is based on a double Cell design with additional SPUs in which case Sony may already be cranking them out in their chip plant they purchased from Toshiba...

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___________
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 8:14:41 AM

not only for manufacturing i was more worried about giving developers enough time to get games out for launch, and also marketing.
theres a reason why hardware always sees a 12+ month gap from announcement to release.
look at the wiiu, announced last E3 and is releasing late this year.
6 months just is not enough time.

plus i seriously doubt they will be using cell simply because its the whole reason weve had to put up with crappy ports.
they have gotten a hell of allot better but we still sadly get games like skyrim which are unplayable.
till they stop trying to be so different and bring down the differences all there doing is hurting themselves and their fans.
IGN had a article today listing what developers wanted in next consoles.
first thing mentioned was from epics CEO, stating systems really need to close their differences so developers can stop making multiple games for multiple consoles and start spending that time and resources on polishing and making games better.

plus look at the vita its allot more conventional and allot easier for developers to make games for, so id like to see that as a sign that $ony has learned their lesson and am sticking to conventional terms.
plus all the rumours going around saying its gone, and all the rumours stating no BC which no cell would explain.
id be too costly to do what they did with the original PS3 and just add the chips in.

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Highlander
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 1:02:47 PM

The thing is that Sony's in-house devs and a lot of 3rd party devs have invested heavily in the knowledge base with Cell. Actually when programmed properly Cell *is* a beast. Throwing Cell away throws all of that away. Which is odd at a time when all high performance computing is going to multi core designs with heterogeneous cores - just like Cell - paired up with a highly parallel, but very simple (from a instruction set POV) GPU cores. Which is eerily similar to the PS3s design.

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___________
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 9:27:19 AM

but thats exactly the problem allot of studios have not invested in cell.
do you really want to have to put up with the bethesdas, crapcoms and ubisofts next gen?
i dunno about you but im sick of playing inferior ports!
allot of todays best games are far better on other platforms.
AC for example has far less screen tearing and frame rate issues, same goes for ME, and allot of crapcom games like lost planet 2 or something more recent like SFXT.

if $ony ditch the cell and make the ps4 allot more like PCs and the next xbox then that will help eliminate the inferior ports were constantly having to put up with.
yea its a waste throwing all this away after so much has been invested in it, but isent that what $ony always does?
every single console they have brought out has introduced some amazing new architecture and that is exactly why they have been so expensive at release, costly to manufacture, and a pain in the a$$ to develop for!
in other words its always been a thorn in their side, a massive weak spot!

i still remember the day where everyone thought the emotion engine was the bees knees and would path the way for future playstation devices.
then $ony officially announced the ps3 and the birth of another totally new architecture.
thus is the $ony way, however this time go back to conventional methods.
only reason why $ony has been so ambitious and stubborn is because of father ken.
now hes gone, there starting to try stick to the mould.
look at the vita.
im as intrigued as the next guy to see where we could go if the ps4 sticks with cell, but that is one of the worst things $ony could do for the ps4!
the ps4 needs to be more developer friendly, not less!

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Cravit8
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 11:02:14 AM
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Guys, I'm pretty frakkin confused here. I have a busy work and family life, so I don't keep up with all the news on this site. But I swore I read articles here a couple months ago showing Sony adamently denying any sort of PS4 soon and listing all the reasons why. What am I missing? Why the sudden insurgence of PS4 rumors?

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Ackehece
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 12:58:18 PM
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8 core cell * 8 Spu per core on one die
4 primary threads per core for 32 threads per die
*current in testing CELL based chip

we are sitting stage 3 SOI already (http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/NEWS/20051027/110194/1027sce_cell_roadmap.jpg)

If they use the in development chip (power8) expect a serious boost in processing power as little as 8x to as much as 20x as the cores will be faster (and more energy efficient!)

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