Analyst: Sony Did Well, Microsoft Has To "Bring Their A-Game"
See Full ImageThey didn't give us a date or price, and they didn't even show us the system. And yet, last night's PlayStation Meeting made a really good impression.
For instance, take the reaction of Cowen and Company senior analyst Doug Creutz, who told NowGamer that the competition should be concerned about what Sony presented. Specifically, he said Microsoft will have to "bring their A-game" and Nintendo should be "worried."
Creutz said that Microsoft has the "pole position" simply based on their current-generation standing (and we assume he means in this country, as the PS3 has surpassed the 360 in terms of worldwide sales). However, he thinks Sony did a "good job" as they definitely appealed to core gamers who will be considering an upgrade:
I think Sony made a very strong pitch to gamers last night that the PS4 is a worthwhile upgrade from the PS3. They have yet to make that pitch to a broader audience, which will entail giving more detail on their strategy on the multimedia side."
The analyst added that in comparison to the Wii U, the PS4 "really does look like a next-gen console" and Nintendo might want to be concerned. In grading the entire presentation, Creutz gives Sony an A-/B+, which sounds about right. PSXE would give it an A-, if you asked us. :)
Tags: ps4, playstation 4, microsoft, nintendo, next generation
2/21/2013 10:19:38 PM Ben Dutka
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LimitedVertigo
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:48:26 AM
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bigrailer19
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 1:01:58 AM
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Beamboom
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 10:24:08 AM
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clockwyzebkny
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:12:46 PM
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But it was a little of everything. Spec talk, developer friendly, exclusive games, tech demos, gameplay, new controller design etc. The only things missing was price, launch date and the actual system reveal. I didn't expect Sony to reveal the price or launch date prematurely before E3 or before Microsoft's reveal for their next gen system
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:16:47 PM
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clockwyzebkny
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:37:46 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:15:59 PM
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Sony is clearly going very infrastructure heavy with PS4, I don't think that's something MS will be willing to invest capital in. They could score some points by having a cheap console and charging a ton for Live but I dunno cuz free seems to be the way of the future for online. I guess I'm biased but after the whole Kinect-driven future they've embraced and the failure to capture the living room I don't see them gaining.
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Akuma07
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:13:20 AM
Yoshida was asked about it, and he just talked about how they want to increase the services that are available on the PSN. They REALLY need to keep it free, it is one of the driving points of the PS.
That said, if it went paid, I would probably still pay it, and then some for the premium service.....
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 8:38:32 AM
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ryu
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:16:15 PM
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they simply came into U.S. soil to do a "here comes a new challenger" thing like in street fighter, if my straw is in your market milkshake, that's my milkshake!
after all, Japan is Sony's real home turf, why would they show everything here
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clockwyzebkny
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:40:07 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:22:53 PM
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Cabalavatar1
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:18:20 AM
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LimitedVertigo
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:46:18 AM
Cabalavatar1,
A majority of that list contains NON TRADITIONAL RPGS (hence my adding the word traditional). I understand that this generation it became the "in" thing to add RPG elements to an adventure/action game and pass it off as an RPG but that isn't how it works and certainly isn't the type of game I'm referring to.
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Beamboom
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 3:32:24 AM
At first the classic jrpgs, to me, looked more like a strategy game than a rpg. When I bought my first jrpg, for the PSP, I though they had categorized the game wrongly. I didn't see any roleplay aspect to them at all.
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Fane1024
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 8:51:12 AM
(I'm with Beam, though: traditional RPG = D&D.)
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LimitedVertigo
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 10:21:37 AM
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Beamboom
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 10:26:49 AM
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LimitedVertigo
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 10:39:44 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 11:21:54 AM
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Highlander
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 1:27:05 PM
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Beamboom
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 1:43:00 PM
I would also say the mmorpgs are all built on a "traditional RPG concept".
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Looking Glass
Saturday, February 23, 2013 @ 1:53:44 AM
I think LimitedVertigo refers mainly to RPGs with turn-based combat.
Turn-based combat has been around longer than action oriented combat in RPGs and therefore has a significantly stronger claim to the term traditional. RPGs with action-oriented combat are a newer phenomenon and therefore have a weaker claim to the term. Newer still are games that may call themselves action RPGs but may put a bit too much emphasis on the action part of the equation. So much so that it might even be more accurate to refer to them as action games with RPG elements as opposed to actual RPGs.
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Fane1024
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 5:59:32 AM
p.s. We've discussed this topic 'til we were all blue-faced.
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Looking Glass
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 9:26:24 AM
Did I ever say that turn-based combat was a definitive feature of the RPG? No.
I simply said (or perhaps meant since I'm not perfectly replicating my original wording) that RPGs with turn-based combat have been around for longer and therefore have a stronger claim to the term "traditional". While action-oriented RPGs are a newer phenomenon and therefore have a weaker claim to the term. They still have a claim but a weaker one. And I think people tend to think of action as not being inherently and seamlessly compatible (not incompatible but not inherently and seamlessly compatible either) with RPGs is simply because action is a separate genre of video game has been for some time.
And we've discussed this topic till we were all blue-faced? So what exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean to say that you're tired of the discussion and don't want to have it anymore? Then why did you respond to me? If you don't want to get stung then stay away from hornet's nests. If you don't want to get blown up then don't go walking through a mine field. If you don't want to have a discussion then don't participate in said discussion. Or in other words if you don't want to start something or get caught up in something then simply walk away. Especially if it's a matter of little (if any) real consequence.
So if you disagree with me but are also tired of the discussion then simply give me a thumb down and stop posting responses.
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clockwyzebkny
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:35:57 PM
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In no way i'm saying i would completely write off their newest system or try to sway others to. It's just that i don't get how they've gain such loyal support and hate for Sony when there's such low quantity of AAA exclusives, a plethora of RROD and other system failures that plagued the system, countless unwarranted bans...etc
Sorry for my rant guys Again i'm just confused at the blind following and voicing my frustration Also i'm seeing a resurgence of Sony hate from the 360 crowd on forums and youtube.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:47:13 PM
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Cabalavatar1
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:26:38 AM
1. 360 has better controller
2. XBL offers better multiplayer and cross-game chat (for a price)
3. Dev's controls on the PS are awkward
4. Sony's PSN was hacked.
How to address (and sometimes refute) them:
1. You can buy 360-style controllers for the PS3 and vice versa.
2. Show me data on how XBL is better. Why is cross game chat important? Why do you want to chat with someone who isn't playing the same game? (Don't you have Skype yet?)
3. That's pretty subjective; I don't know how you support it; I'll give ya that one I guess.
4. You think Microsoft is safeguarded against an elite group of hactivists? Whatever, you can have that one, too, even if it seems to affirm only an already cultivated bias.
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Cabalavatar1
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:30:09 AM
Some of that makes sense: you have the library already, so I guess you kinda have to go out to buy that 6th 360 to play 'em...
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Underdog15
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:49:24 AM
People like to conveniently forget that because MS never had a formal announcement that gave everyone all the details.
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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 9:08:29 AM
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slugga_status
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 1:52:26 PM
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maxpontiac
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:18:40 AM
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Akuma07
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:33:23 AM
Seen SO many media websites flaming the Sony event like crazy....SIMPLY because it didn't show the console.
Even Xbox Lives head dude bashed the event simply because of that one fact.
People are so petty.
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LimitedVertigo
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 12:49:05 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 11:23:03 AM
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Temjin001
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 1:01:25 AM
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But hey, Wii U launched first. First out is all that matters! =p
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 10:12:20 AM
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daus26
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 1:55:27 AM
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The show was a good balance of revealings, and what they are probably reserving for the long run.
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Knightzane
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 2:42:16 AM
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MS on the other hand... I honestly don't know how they would top that. At this point im seeing them throwing together top notch hardware and not balancing it properly so its broken and unresponsive. Two, i see them revealing the "Kinect 2" and giving up on Sony and going after the casual gamers (meaning nintendo's group) Sure this is unlikely but its also still a possibility.
They have Halo, Forza, and Gears. Those three will not stand against the tide's of whatever Sony and most likely Nintendo is cooking up. Ninty has had some weak presentations (the most recent being the DLC for the 3DS. I mean wtf are they thinking?) But im sure the next Zelda game is going to be great. Wasn't a fan of Skyward sword. But it was still a good game.
And Sony with their allowing of people to create new experiences for games. The last option i see MS being able to do is simply quit. Release a better 360 with some better hardware.
That is obviously the last thing they would do but its also a possibility. Such a strong showing from Sony (sure people wanted to see more but what would be left for E3 and TGS? Yeah i thought so :P) really put the edge on MS. Remember that comment by MS? "No one even knows about the 20th?" Twitch had 566k people watching that livestream. I was there and it was extremely laggy.
Anyway unless MS brings out something beastly im pretty sure their done. Not much you can do. But then again, just like in Helms deep (rewatched the movie again yesterday. Man... Imagine a ps4 game rendering 1000 enemies on screen at once...) the mighty can be beaten. Sony dealt with a ton of hate this gen. I think their pulling of the plug on the ps2 made them remember who they are, and what they are truly about.
Bringing people together. To game together. To create experiences together. To make you think back 10 years and remember something you treasured about a game. Sony has definitely showed that they remember what they were about during the ps2 era and i would bet that they aren't going to let us down.
The whole "Social" thing is clearly to bring friends together. Thinking about it a lot of my childhood friends live in different states. So i don't have that option of having them come over and visiting and play some games. This social stuff would make for some good times.
The online gameplay is clearly going to be more influenced by Co-op and of course Multiplayer. Its going to work even better and probably give out much more ways to game online with friends. And clearly the people who prefer to go solo still have games to look foward to as Watch_Dogs and the puzzle game are single player. (if im wrong about watch_dogs i apologize.)
All in all, im confident about Sony's choices and they even made that Social stuff sound decent. Someone beats my score i sure as hell wanna get it back. Im sure some of you old timers remember getting high score on an arcade game and seeing someone beat it. Im sure you went all out to get it back. I like the thought of watching someone beat my score. Seeing how and what they did to do so. Its just awesome.
I'd give Sony an A. I forgot to mention... Why would i want a damn 'Share' button. Then again i don't do all those social websites so maybe i don't understand the appeal in it. Anyway sorry for a long post but i said everything i wanted to. Hope it was a good read for anyone who took the time to read it.
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Beamboom
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 3:39:09 AM
That's what you want the share button for.
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Beamboom
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 3:37:57 AM
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I see nothing but smiles in the media (with one sole exception here in Norway, a columnist who *obviously* were no gamer and claimed that the days of the consoles are over - he much preferred to get his entertainment through Apple TV. Understand that link those who can).
We should never underestimate Microsoft, but I am seriously curious as to what they *can* show that could puncture the momentum Sony has gained now.
So far, so good.
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CrusaderForever
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 8:58:26 AM
I really like Nintendo and own the WiiU but they are already losing next gen. Their WiiU sold only 59K in January with only the PS3 and X360 as competition. Once November 2013 rolls around they are going to in trouble. Windwaker HD is awesome but it won't be enough.
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___________
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 5:52:53 AM
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im more worried about ninty, again bringing a walkmen to the era of ipods!
as usual way, way, WAY behind the technical times!
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Akuma07
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Thursday, February 21, 2013 @ 11:08:05 PM
http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/02/21/xbox-fans-react-to-the-playstation-4-announcement