PSXE Poll Update: The PlayStation 4 Puts Pressure On Microsoft

Just like PS1,PS2 & PS3,it will be the exclusives that will make the PS4 a success.
Sony's first party games knock the sh!t out of most other studios games with a few exceptions!

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Damn right son.

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Yeah this next generation will stronger than ever demonstrate what difference good developers make.

My prediction is that the PS3 exclusives will still have that same extra layer of polish and smoothness, despite the architecture being the same as the competitors. I guess few of you will believe me now, but wait and see before you start slamming me.

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Last edited by Beamboom on 2/25/2013 4:50:19 AM

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Even if you don't like the console I think they did a great job of presenting it. They hit all the buttons: amazing new features, new technology, unlimited capabilities a la Media Molecule, indie scene embrace, multiplat commitment, stolen wind from the PC crowd, stolen thunder from MS's previously exclusive developer Bungie, and a peek at what the exclusives will be capable of. I was amazed, especially because it made the average E3 look terrible.

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I don't dislike the PS4 per say, but I keep getting this MS vibe from Sony for some reason... Just read they might sell different tiers of PSN, like Gold, Silver, Bronze just like MS...
The saving grace is that if half of the rumors I have been hearing about the nextboxt is true, Sony will win this gen by default.
Kinect might actually watch you while you play your digital content, and if you have more than the allowed number of people watching, it will warn you and might either block you from watching it, or might charge you more licensing fees.
LOL I so hope this is true :)

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Last edited by Karosso on 2/24/2013 11:39:36 PM

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Agreed about Media Molecule. I love those guys and gals who come up with all the creative stuff!!

If anyone can demonstrate the unlimited potential of a console, it's them!

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Where did you read that about Kinect?

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WTF would M$ give a flying f*ck what $onys doing?
they stopped competing with them YEARS ago!
M$ is more interested in stealing nintys crowd, and bringing the box into the living room.
they could not give a flying f*ck what $onys doing because there catering to 2 VERY different crowds!

$ony did a brilliant job of unveiling it!
i was really shocked to see the system architect there introducing us to it and explaining the hardware and why that hardware was chosen.
that was a very nice surprise, you normally just see the big wigs talk about the specs with no insight into them.
so that was a very nice surprise!
the presentation was very well done, however what they were unveiling was what was disappointing.
i just have 1 question.
why does $ony ALWAYS design a system, go all out on part of it, than cheap out on the rest?
8GBs of GDDR 5 RAM, that is UNHEARD of even in a high spec gaming PC!
but the rest of the system is more than disappointing!
its like saying ok im going to hire the best chef in the world to cook my dinner, but the ingredients are going to be sourced by my local tip!
not even the best chef in the world can turn garbage into 2 michilin star food!
thats what $onys done, they have hired the best chef in the world with the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, than ruined it with garbage food.
they did the exact same with the ps3, going so high spec with the CELL, than cheeped out on the RSX and even the XDR memory.
if your going to hire the best chef in the world, you source the best produce in the world!
no point hiring the best chef in the world, if your going to give him sh*t to work with!
as the saying goes, you can polish sh*t, but at the end of the day its still sh*t!

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Dude calm down. Did you know that ps2 video card have 8MB ram? And in yuour opinion if system have more ram then it will be a beast and a system seller? Wake up dude! Specs do not do games, developers do a great and awsome games. The lack of video ram in ps2 did not harm system and in those days the ps2 was a beast even GC had better graphics, but playing ps2 was much more fun and that is fact because it is the best selling system and it have ca 10000 games. And I belive that ps4 can have same success if it is easy to make sowftware and games for this platform then there is no complaining from devs and lots of cheers from gamers.
P.s. sorry for my bad grammar:)

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They had to skimp on *something*. They could not just go, "oh we want the best of everything inside that box, and not really charge anything for it".

So the engineers of Sony sat down and pondered. "What will the games of the next gen require the most? What's most important?".

And they concluded that RAM were the horse to bet on. The fastest type of RAM on the market, and bucket loads of it. That will give the developers most workspace to design not only games as we know them today, but NEW shit. Stuff we've not seen yet.

Then we got that APU processor, the "combined graphics and cpu" who at first glance may sound like some cheap-ass merged thing but opens up for a new kind of flexibility when it comes to developing games, thanks to the greatly improved data transfer rates between CPU/GPU, and better durability through reduced power consumption (ergo: heat) by upwards of 50%. And since (obviously) all PS4s will have this APU we can get FULL effect of that design.

You know, there are THOUGHTS behind this design. It's not just a whipped up box by a kid in a computer store.

This machine is obviously the developers machine. It hands over the keys to them. But it is, after all the programmers who create the games, not the engineers.

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Last edited by Beamboom on 2/25/2013 8:10:07 AM

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of course you have to skimp on something, but you dont go skimping on the CPU and GPU for the sake of having more and faster RAM!
you know what?
when i was building my PC, the guy i was buying it off did a demo for me, he had the same system as me except with slower RAM.
he said fine you want really fast RAM here you go, he built my system invited me to the shop and we played a few games on both systems.
my system ended up being 700 bucks more just because it had faster RAM, and what did that 700 bucks get me?
8FPS!
EIGHT!
for SEVEN HUNDRED BUCKS!
then he took that RAM out, and put slower cheaper RAM in there, same amount but slower, upped the GPU from a single 670 to dual 670s, and it ended up being 200 bucks less than the faster RAM.
and how many FPS did i get out of that 500 bucks, instead of 7?
20FPS!
as ive been saying ever since $ony released the ps3, they are OBSESSED with super fast RAM, and there is NO need for it!
if you have the perfect processor, and the perfect GPU, than fine, but when you have a f*cking 1.6GHz CPU for crying out loud!
$ony REALLY need to ditch the GDDR5 RAM and go with slower, yet still plenty fast DDR3!
and use that saved cash on a decent CPU, i mean come on i havent seen a 400 dollar laptop come with less than a 2.2 CPU for crying out loud!
and this things not a 400 dollar laptop, its a 600+ dollar gaming console which has to last at least 5 years!
so disappointed, weve had to wait by far the longest weve ever had to wait for a new generation.
and for our extra patience we get by far the smallest gap ever!
ps4 is going to come out, and everyones going to be laughing their heads off at it because a 500 buck PC is going to make it look like last years news!
$ony has turned into nintendo, anti technology!

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And again you are comparing 1:1 with PCs. You Can Not Do That.
Games on the PC are not optimized for super-fast ram or multiple cores with the data transfer rate of this APU, but the games for this console will be! And with faster transfer rates comes the need for faster memory.
You just have to understand this: You CAN NOT do a 1:1 comparison with PCs!

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Last edited by Beamboom on 2/25/2013 2:00:30 PM

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You have a really weird, aggressive way of putting things, but remove all the expletives from your post and you are actually right.

I don't know why Sony did the mistake with the PS3 of putting such a high-end Cell CPU and then combine it with a GPU that was actually slightly lower-end than the one-year old 360 but most importantly skimp on the RAM to such a degree, that REALLY hurt sony this gen, even though they saved a few dollars per unit on it, they lost so much more with bad third-party ports and development time for both first & third party devs trying to make their games work...

And now they're doing a similar mistake with the PS4, in reverse this time, but still the same mistake of mismatching components of unequal performance. It really is weird.
If they're so dedicated to keeping costs down on the system, I'd rather see Sony put 4GB of RAM, and put those dollars into a better GPU, that would translate a lot better into better performance gains for the buck.

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Mr underscore about your second comment, me thinks you were duped. If you're paying $700 for ANY AMOUNT of RAM on your new PC you are out of your mind.

Checking Newegg, you can get 8GB of the fastest available DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) RAM for $58. Which means you're paying more for your memory basically by a factor of 10.

Yes putting in a second graphics card will have far more impact on performance than memory, but not the way you describe it.

Beamboom you and others keep saying you can't do a 1:1 comparison with PCs, but the PS4 IS a PC, don't you get that? It will most likely even use the same software and DirectX libraries etc as a normal PC, simply because of the enormous costs involved in building all of that up from scratch, and ease of development for different platforms.

The biggest benefit of the console is slightly lower memory footprint compared to a PC with Windows and some device drivers that have to be running in the background to take care of non-gaming related stuff (even though a console obviously need a lot of those too, especially a new modern online console), so the difference is marginal, and that only shows that the one part (RAM) they could have saved a few dollars on is the part they're putting the most money in. It really makes very little sense.

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i dont live in the states, here everythings at least 3 times as expensive!
i know you cant compare consoles to PCs, but thats not the point im trying to make.
im saying playstations have ALWAYS competed with the BEST PCs out there on paper, and thats exactly the problem, the ps4, ON PAPER, is not even a low end gaming PC!
all the customization and tool differences obviously will help it, just as they always do with consoles, but that does not turn a 100 dollar card into a 800 dollar card!
point being no matter what customization $ony does with the hardware its just not going to be enough.
they should of gone with 8GBs of DDR3 ram and used the saved cash for a better APU.
fact of the matter is fast RAM is NO WHERE NEAR as effective and important as what the GPU and CPU are!
whats going to make a car faster?
adding a engine with 400BHP more than the existing engine, and upgrading the transmission, ect ect to put that to the road?
or keeping everything as it was, and just improving the tires?
faster RAM wont really help the ps4 much because the engine under the hood is so god dam slow!
its exactly the same case with 8 cores, they would of been better off going with a 6 core CPU at a much higher clock rate than a 8 core CPU at a slower clock rate.
$ony made this mistake with the ps3, they cheeped out with the RAM.
they went with super exotic XDR memory because it was super fast, but because it was exotic and fast it was SUPER EXPENSIVE!
so they had allot less than what they should of.
you would think they would of learned their lesson and slowed down the memory and gone for more of it.
but you would of thought wrong!
they have at least upped the amount, but they still have kept their obsession with high speed and that has hurt the other parts.

in short $ony should ditch the 8 core CPU for a 6 core with MUCH faster clock speed.
then ditch the GDDR5 memory for DDR3, and put the saved cash towards a much more beefy GPU.
its unnecessary to have such fast RAM, especially when you have such a slow low spec APU!
if DDR3 RAM is fast enough for hundreds of thousands of dollars supercomputers and mainframes, than i think its fast enough for a 500 dollar games console!

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Hey underscore that's probably the best post I've seen from you yet, good job!

I completely agree, with a low-end CPU & GPU they're using in the PS4, there's no way in hell that memory speed will ever be the bottleneck with normal fast DDR3 memory. Considering even if you have a super-highend I7 extreme with an 7990 GPU DDR3 is still not the bottleneck in the system, that's just a waste of resources in the system. Even most performance PC builders agree that spending more for faster RAM is a waste of money.

I agree that to get the most bang-for-the-buck in the PS4 it should've used a faster 4-6 core CPU and a higher-end GPU with 4-6GB of DDR3 RAM. That would've made for a lot better performance at the same price point.

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thanks.
just compact my point a bit more.
my PC specs are 3930K OC 4.8GHz, dual GTX670s OC 4GB VRAM, 32GB DDR3 RAM, Asus Rampage IV MB, and going into windows performance tool and running the scores the LOWEST performing item is the GPU.
and you know what?
the RAM is the HIGHEST!
GPU and CPUs have a long way to go before we start needing GDDR5 RAM!

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Just a thought: Sony did up-clock the processors on the PSP a while after launch. Perhaps the CPU will initially operate at 1.8 GHz (or whatever), but get up-clocked when it's clear that the heat production isn't a problem like it was on PS3.

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The ONLY thing Playstation fans should remember is that the PS4 is the most powerful console Sony has ever made.

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So was the Wii Nintendo's most powerful console.

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I'm on the fence with the unveiling. I think they did a great job in regards to the features and the exclusives. inFamous Second Son and Killzone SF are easily two must haves to me..

The Sony fan that I am I'll be getting the PS4 regardless at launch. Although, I will say I'm slightly disappointed with the tech route they took on this. It's basically a gaming pc. A powerful one for a console. At the same time I can't help but to feel that they could've done more with the CellBE. I think they could've evolved it especially the DMA.

I just hope this console last at least 6 years. I know the games will come as I have complete faith in the Sony 1st party devs.

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