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I'm Just Gonna Ask: Why Was Square Enix At The Meeting?

We first saw Square Enix's impressive Agni's Philosophy tech demo last June, during E3. Yes, a while ago.

...and Square Enix popped up long enough at the PlayStation Meeting this past week to show us the exact same footage. They also reminded us that a Final Fantasy announcement is coming at this year's E3.

I'm sorry, but someone just has to ask: What the hell were you even doing there, S-E? Why would you show up at the announcement of a new console to display a tech demo just about everyone saw over eight months ago? Just because the PS4 might be capable of producing those visuals? So? I get the whole "announcement for an announcement" thing - i.e., "stay tuned for something we'll tell you later!" - but that was the wrong venue. You don't step onto that stage unless you've something new to show us. Or at the very least, you have to tell us something new. Anything at all.

As far as we know, "Agni's Philosophy" doesn't mean anything. It's not necessarily a new game; it's merely a tech demo. And the new FF news could just be more blather about Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII. Either that, or they'll actually announce Final Fantasy XV at E3, and it'll look like that tech demo and be released for the PS4. That's all very well and good. It still doesn't explain why Square Enix was at that Meeting. I cannot fathom why Sony even let them on the stage. It would be almost understandable if Final Fantasy was still exclusive to PlayStation but of course, that's not true any longer. And there's no chance it'll go back to being exclusive. That won't happen in a million years.

So I guess I just don't get it. Other developers, like Quantic Dream and Capcom, showed off tech demos, too. But they sure as hell didn't show us stuff we'd seen before, and they actually had new information to reveal. Square Enix just looked so pathetically out of place up there. Weird.

Tags: square enix, ps4 tech demo, square enix tech demo, square enix agnis philosophy

2/24/2013 9:41:23 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (41 posts)

firesoul453
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:18:08 PM
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Square Enix seems to want to push their software to the widest audience possible and that would of couse include the ps4. And I bet Sony wasn't complaining for more show content (not that they didn't have an absolutely amazing full packed conferenced!)

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clockwyzebkny
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:21:51 PM
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Yea I don't understand it either. It almost looked like one big troll. Before we go, Shinji Hashimoto has an announcement. Shinji Hashimoto: "We'll announce something at E3 tee hee." LOLWUT?!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:26:34 PM
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There was no reason, it was a bit of a blight on all the fun if you ask me. The news at E3 will probably be that FFXIV will be on PS3 and PS4, and nobody will care. FF fans don't care about XIII-3 either.

I'm pretty sure Versus isn't coming, so if they announce FFXV so what? It'll still take until the end of the PS4 generation for them to complete it.

So... what DOES a developer do after they've wasted an entire generation?

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Huey
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 6:19:41 AM

Back up 10 yards and punt.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:40:55 PM

I think at this point. They're just going to rename versus as FFXV.

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homura
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:28:29 PM
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I liked FFXIII, but still Square-Enix is really pathetic in that meeting. XIII-2 sucks, story DLC's, one woman party in Lightning Returns and now this. And in E3, Versus is now a PS4 launch title as well. Really pathetic, Haha!

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Lord carlos
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:36:03 PM
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I can only guess that SE signed a one game FF exclusive when FF XIII went muti platform.
Sony has/had a 5% stake in SE so its possible,remember reading something similar about rockstar giving Sony a one game exclusive when GTA was going to be released on both PS3 & xbox 360 at the same time,i believe that game was/is called AGENT...hmmmm.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:46:56 PM

yeah and Agent never happened either. Maybe that's what Versus was supposed to be. Perhaps Sony let Rockstar buy out of that provision rather than make the game.

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Lord carlos
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:18:04 PM

They could release these game at the very last breath of the PS3 death bed vigil,games would be much cheaper to produce for PS3 in say 2015!
I'm thinking The Last Guardian is gonna be the LAST exclusive for PS3!!
Send her off in style perhaps??

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bebestorm
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 10:07:24 AM

Sony boss Yoshida said he has knowledge of Agent and Versus XIII but it was not his place to talk about them.

Last edited by bebestorm on 2/25/2013 10:08:15 AM

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Akuma07
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:47:56 PM
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I think that the E3 announcement will either be a) a new FF game coming to BOTH next-gen platforms, or b) A FFvsXIII reveal, and announcement that it will be PS4 bound. I think the fact that they have been mum on that game for so long, and that they appeared at the PS4 reveal seems to fit.

Then again, I also believe they only appeared at the PS4 announcement because they want to fool people into believing that they still care about the Playstation, sort of like "Hey guys, look, we are standing next to sony, SEE! We still love these guys! No need to hate!"

You're not fooling anyone $queenix.

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Akuma07
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 10:49:53 PM

Oh.... and if vsXIII DOES end up releasing, and it IS as amazing as we all hope, $queenix will NOT....EVER... get any brownie points for it. All points go to the ex Kingdom Hearts/FFVII, VIII, and IX developers who were meant to be working on it. Those poor enslaved bastards!

They will only ever redeem themselves to me, by making a FFVII remake and NOT ruining it.

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ryu
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:24:43 PM
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cuz they got invited, didn't wanna turn it down to sony's face, but ain't got s* to show

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Karosso
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:45:01 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This makes so much sense it's hilarious!!!!
Thumbs up!

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tes37
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:47:28 PM
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I don't understand why SE was there either. I also couldn't understand the guy they had speaking for them. Maybe they have some new marketing scheme with an emphasis on nothing. If their goal was to keep me unimpressed, they succeeded.

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clockwyzebkny
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:54:36 PM

"Maybe they have some new marketing scheme with an emphasis on nothing." THIS had me lmao!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 8:21:21 AM

It's the Seinfeld approach

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rcrodgers
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:51:32 PM
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I've been wondering the same damned thing. My best bet, Ben, is that you may be wrong... slightly at least. I can only imagine that they made a bargain with Sony to appear on stage and maintain some relevance and possibly prestige by appearing on the stage at the PS4 announcement by promising an exclusive title. I won't swear that it'll be a Final Fantasy title... (By the way, I lost track, did Versus ever come out?) But I can only imagine that it was essentially a last minute, back room deal and S-E only had enough time to grab the footage for the tech demo on the way out the door to the meeting. If I had to guess, there are teams of game designers scrambling at S-E trying to come up with something the programmers and artists can start banging away on to demo at E3... Of course, I could be wrong...

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Nas Is Like
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 12:02:55 AM
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Square-Enix just showed up so people can remember about them. A lot of people, myself included, have rightfully forgotten about them already.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 12:21:20 AM
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There's only 3 things worthwhile they could announce that might make me interested in S-E again:

1. FF Versus XIII is now a PS4 early window launch title (mid-2014)

2. FF VII HD remake has been green lit as a PS3/PS4 and Vita cross play title.

3. Kingdom Hearts 3 is a PS4 exclusive in development. E3 teaser trailer.

This 3 things are what the S-E faithful truly want, and yet S-E is completely determined to NOT give us fans these things.
Did anyone really truly want FF XIII-3? Lightning Returns? Anyone?

The only good things S-E does is produce Western developed stuff like Just Cause 2 and Tomb Raider. Anything they develop themselves is no longer worth the time or money.

It's good to have the prettiest graphics, but if it isn't backed up with brilliant and deep gameplay, they're just wasting their time.

Us older fans want to be challenged, want a deeper and emotional experience! We want characters we grow with and become attached to, characters with history. THAT'S why I loved FF VII so much!!

We want a deep RPG system with many options, the only thing that should be simplified is how we access and use those options during battle!! Simplification does not mean removing these RPG mechanics!!

I miss Squaresoft. They knew how to make great games, regardless of advancing technology. Monolith should stop focusing on Wii and come back to PS3 or PS4. At least THEY know how to make a good RPG.

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Akuma07
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 7:35:30 PM

Oh man, I forgot about Kingdom Hearts 3.

Okay....THAT would kind of make me like them again.... just a little.

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Oyashiro
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:29:38 AM
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Do you really think that SE would pass up an opportunity to make an announcement that they were going to make an announcement?

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Underdog15
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:30:53 AM
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1 major stand-alone FF in the longest console generation to date... on multiple consoles to the largest market ever, and it is still nowhere near best selling in franchise history and meta'd a full 10 points lower than FF's are traditionally capable of scoring. Even if FFXIII was a good game, it's still a fall from grace objectively speaking if we look at those measurements (and ignoring personal preference). Then they release a sequel to an even bigger audience (more systems sold now) and it can't even hit half of the original. On top of it all, how many well respected FF big-shots have left the company now?! And look at how many don't speak well of the company.

All this while the company spent most of the generation in dire financial straights.

And through it all, it seems like they're delusional about their success. They literally think they're gaming champions still. They still act like FFXIII is the best FF... like Lightning is the best character of the entire franchise... Like we want nothing more than a game with just her!

They are -FAR- from being the console developer king they once were.

Like... I don't even know what they are thinking.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 5:10:51 AM

No one knows what they're thinking. They've pretty much closed themselves off from the outside world and their millions of fans worldwide.

I would not be surprised if FF XV had online multiplayer and town packs as DLC. Wouldn't surprise me at all if S-E decided to remove the RPG elements and go all action, like Bayonetta, but with a spell casting button.

I hope they don't go in that direction, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

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Beamboom
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:32:04 AM
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I'm thinking maybe they originally *had* something to say, but then some last minute changes made them unable to say/show that at this point in time, and it was too late to reschedule the show.

I mean, there has to be a reason for this.

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Underdog15
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:40:37 AM

That's what my buddy suggested at first, too. It might be the case. But it's not like this is a first for them. They're known for announcing announcements, countdown websites, early announcements, promising big while delivering small... etc.

I mean... FFXIII was originally a near launch PS3 exclusive. It came out like 3-4 years later. Versus was announced near or before launch of PS3, as well. They swear they're still working on it, but we still have nothing. lol

You and my friend might be right, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point if they were just being jackashes.

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MrAnonymity
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 2:43:49 AM
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Can't lose their relevance now.

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___________
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 4:35:24 AM
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they were there for 1 reason.
$E LOVE waving their cock!
especially when it means they have to do NOTHING!

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homura
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 4:57:34 AM
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Well at least Square-Enix provided a time for the audience in that meeting to have their bathroom break.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 5:15:20 AM
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Whatever happened to these games?

- FF Versus XIII
- Agent
- The Last Guardian

Why do people even bother announcing these games when they're not even ready to show screenshots or even a complete trailer???

Games should only be formally announced within a year of release, when they are about 60%-70% completed! S-E is one of the worst offenders in regards to this, closely followed by Nintendo. (They announced Smash Bros for 3DS and WiiU without a single screen, piece of art or anything!!)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 10:47:36 AM

Not sure about Agent, but they also never really showed us much of anything about that project. I don't think it ever got off the ground, to be honest.

As for The Last Guardian, I think that's well documented. Just a ton of internal issues at play there.

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Knightzane
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 7:32:57 AM
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They announced that they were going to announce an announcement. You guys seem to be confused by that. Clearly they wanted to announce that they wanted to hype up the announcement thats coming up at E3. In all honesty, i just want a real FF. Not one with half characters and button mashing gameplay. Sure the older ones had a share fair of button mashing but not to the extent that ff13, -2, and -3 will have. Haha negative FF

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 10:48:22 AM

"They announced that they were going to announce an announcement. You guys seem to be confused by that."

Nobody is confused by that. Beyond being silly, it also didn't fit into the Meeting, where everybody was announcing NEW things.

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Akuma07
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 7:38:11 PM

I think he was being sarcastic.

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oONewcloudOo
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 7:53:25 AM
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Me a few years ago would have geeked out over that announcement but me today after S-E having a horrible gen is like " get the f**k of stage your embarrassing yourself"

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Douchebaguette
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 11:14:21 AM
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Their presentation was pointless. Essentially as everyone knows, they showed a rehashed trailer and then basically said "a game from a franchise that we constantly release games for to the point of expected tradition, will be released."

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Amnesiac
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 11:15:53 AM
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I am jack's complete lack of surprise.

S-E is a more careless game company than Atari ever was.

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berserk
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 1:28:33 PM
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Blizzard was more out of place if you ask me ( not by much tho ) .


Diablo 3 for console wowwww..wwwwww...www....... , did nt saw that coming .

Got us all exited for something new , like maybe a new i.p for console only .

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Akuma07
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 7:39:38 PM

Yeaaahhh. I will agree that D3 for consoles was kind of obvious.

I was expecting something cool, but at least it wasn't something totally bad.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 4:55:21 PM
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At least they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

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Akuma07
Monday, February 25, 2013 @ 7:38:49 PM
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Ahhh.... $queenix.... You truely are reliably bad. You never fail to dissapoint.

I am glad I can always count on you to ruin everything you touch.

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