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Tomb Raider's On Xbox Because Square Enix Muffed It

As we all know by now, Rise of the Tomb Raider will be exclusive to Xbox platforms because Microsoft is publishing it.

And why? Because Square Enix sucks, that's why.

Don't blame Microsoft for this. If the former publisher hadn't screwed things up so badly before, this wouldn't have happened. Let's remember what Square Enix's absurd expectations were for this game: Even though it sold exceedingly well, they anticipated 5 million sales in the first month. 3.4 million is fantastic but it wasn't enough. We found out later that the game didn't even break even until around December, and one could argue that the Definitive Edition existed to recoup more expenses.

And how much did they put into it again? $100 million? Are they nuts? It took until the new year to turn a decent profit and to do that, it needed to hit 6 million copies sold. I know Tomb Raider was a great game but the expected numbers were way out of whack, and this is precisely the reason Tomb Raider is now in the hands of Microsoft. Square Enix flubbed it, period.

They're good at that.

Related Game(s): Rise of the Tomb Raider

Tags: tomb raider, rise of the tomb raider, tomb raider sequel, square enix

8/12/2014 9:59:44 PM Ben Dutka

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surfer
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:11:15 PM
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Yes but bottom line great move by MS. It did not help that Sony sold all of their Square Enix shares back in April 2014. Revenge.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:37:57 AM

I doubt any company would risk losing millions over petty revenge

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:03:33 AM

It was a mutual affair. You should look up why they originally bought them, and why they consequently sold them. It's an interesting find.

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Kevin555
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 4:29:33 AM

@surfer, i am pretty pissed i won't get to play this but i agree with you. Good move for MS.

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godsman
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 7:55:21 AM



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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 8:50:07 AM

It is a business guys...bottom line. Sony and MS are not in business to make friends; they are in business to make $$$.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:03:21 AM

Yes, but businesses also create partnerships, and those partnerships often have corporate relationships that help one another out for mutually beneficial reasons. I'm not outright saying that's what happened, but what is interesting is the timing when they bought Square shares and the publications and communications published at the time it happened. You should investigate; it's interesting stuff.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:13:19 AM

@Underdog15: I just some more info on the selling of the shares and yes it does look like it helped both companies. Now I really don't get it??? The only two explanations are: it is only timed for Holiday 2015 or MS paid them a crap load of $$$.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:12:54 PM
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It will eventually make its way to PC. But I'm still annoyed by this.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:31:11 PM

I'm hoping so.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:42:26 PM

I feel a bit gutted cuz i was a big supporter of the reboot

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:58:49 PM

Yeah, you were. I was too. It's not like it didn't do well. MS must be spending a ton of $$$

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kraygen
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:43:38 AM

They almost always eventually end up on pc, they just recently announced the fable anniversary edition is coming to pc and this will too.

Point being I don't need an xbox, just patience and well I have plenty of that so still won't have any desire for the x1.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:16:18 PM
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Oh. I'll alway blame both. MS is dirty. It's how they play it. S-E are idiots. Idiots to think they should partner with MS on this deal. So yea, S-E can be blamed for a lot. Because this is how I see it, if MS didn't exist TR wouldn't have gone exclusive to anyone. Because no one else plays it like that. And MS will always be the scoundrel so it's not surprising they would try something like this. But I do blame both S-E and MS and Crystal Dynamics (yes. them. they're right out there sounding their MS-loving trump about this move. I would have total respect for them through this if they just stayed quiet) and yes CD confirmed this ain't no timed exclusive but "this is the real deal."


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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:26:48 PM

and the only reason I really care is because I happened to like TR about as much as any Uncharted game I've played. It sucks thinking I spent time giving the reboot a chance with the Definitive Edition, and then S-E idiotically more or less hands this ip over to MS. Heck. I'd rather have Eidos holding the franchise than S-E.
Did S-E not learn a dang thing from what happened at the dawn of the 360? Don't be surprised if MS tries to steal away the core designers of this game for their own studios as the XO just flounders and S-E is left scratching their heads as to what's happened.


Oh, I'm pretty sure the Wii U is outselling the XO right now globally.
S-E may have been better off just making the game a Wii U exclusive during all of their insanity.

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godsman
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:37:17 PM

I'm sure SE waived the offer in front of Sony at some point. If Sony would play this game SE would get the best of both worlds. Too bad the main Sony company is losing money, otherwise, i'm sure the gaming department would be more aggressive.

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Bio
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:38:53 PM

Don't blame Microsoft for following a precedent in the industry that Sony set, back when Sony was the one who had enough money to throw at every developer out there.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:42:10 PM

Bio, tell me one time Sony locked down a well established franchise. One spanning nearly 20 years as a cultural icon, with a fan base rooted to no single platform, and then Sony came in and said NOPE. Nu 'uh it's all ours now. Screw everyone else. We want it. We want it only on the platform most of the world doesn't want.

Tell me. When?

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Akuma_
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:43:06 PM

@Temjin
Yeah man, I haven't played the reboot yet, as I have been busy with other games, but it was the next game I was going to buy for my PS4 to keep me busy till Destiny comes out. Now I have taken it off my list completely.

CD says "we aren't walking away from our PS and PC fans, the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition is available on PS4 right now" That is almost exactly the same as Don Mattrick and his famous "If you have no internet you can buy a 360" comment.

@godsman
Yeah I dont know hey. Microsoft has a history with this sort of thing, and it isn't a coincidence that this happens when Xb1 is doing terrible compared to PS4.

@Bio
Boooooooo. Take your bullshit argument else. This is NOT the same thing. This is a multiplatform game which has now been made exclusive. It's like Call of Duty becoming Xbox exclusive.

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Bio
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:44:17 PM

Final Fantasy

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Bio
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:47:37 PM

Akuma weren't you just on the forums complaining that "Xbox fangirls" are too negative and whiny and insulting?

"Boo take your bullshit elsewhere" LMAO

You guys realize this is probably just a timed exclusive, don't you? There's nothing that says MS is actually publishing this game, and that the exclusivity announcement is paired with a date every time it's brought up.

If you want to get this outraged over something this small, that every major publisher has done before, well I hear the outdoors is nice this time of year, maybe go for a walk :)

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:48:24 PM

See, there's a right way to do things and a wrong way. The right way is to procure the resources and grow that ip on your soil. It's the way the game is played respectfully. There's nothing wrong with Sony commissioning a team to make them a game like Bloodborne for example. But it's totally wrong to take something away from so many. Something only MS would do.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:53:12 PM

Bullcrap. Bio. Final Fantasy went with Sony by their own choice. They cancelled Final Fantasy on N64 for the same reason a whole ton of third parities fled from them. Would you release a game on N64 that needed 40 data disks and an add-on peripheral to make it happen? Nintendo failed the third parties back then. And the N64 tanked big time for it. They reaped what they sewed. That and this situation is entirely different.

EDIT: and Bio. CD directly denied this being a timed exclusive.
That btw, doesn't happen when it's timed because at that point the unofficial statement is "we have no plans." That's when you know it's a timed exclusive ;)

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Bio
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:59:45 PM

Always an excuse when Sony does it. Never when MS does, despite the fact that Sony did it better, and more aggressively, for longer, when they had the money. It's a CHOICE when Square or Konami goes exclusive with Sony, but when they go with MS, it's because MS put a gun to their head, right? :P

Relax, people, you'll get to play this game six months after people on Xbox. I'll buy it six months after that for five dollars on Steam, everybody goes home happy.

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Bio
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:02:45 AM

And no, nothing they said in the press release or the tumblr comments denies timed exclusivity. Moreover, major publishers like Square-Enix don't give up publishing rights to games like this. That creates a huge clusterwhoops of possibilities down the road and cuts into their profits now.

MS wrote them a check for timed exclusivity, and SE cashed it because they're not stupid. Not really something to get riled up about, it happens all the time.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:52:11 AM

Christ, give me a break.

Microsoft went and bought multiple franchises throughout the Xbox and Xbox 360 eras. They made no bones about it, admitted to doing it, and Sony's rebuttal was simply that they don't do business that way. That's all.

The idea that Sony indulged in this practice at even a fraction of the frequency or aggression as Microsoft is beyond idiotic. Final Fantasy is all you've got, Bio? It's not even right, as Temjin explained.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:05:36 AM

Bio, the bottom line here is that Sony did not purchase a franchise like that. Ever. Not Final Fantasy. Not anything on that scale. Not even sure why there's further debate.

EDIT: Also, MS is well known around all industries they're involved in for a monopoly strategy. Ask most computer scientists what they think of MS, and you'll get more info than you even want.

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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:30:32 AM

Everybody plays this game to some degree!
I can't remember the last Ubisoft title I played that didn't have Playstation specific content, Microsoft has routinely paid for timed exclusivity on Call of Duty DLC and Nintendo is bankrolling Bayonetta 2. Tomb Raider is a storied franchise and if Microsoft wants to throw money at this then accepting the offer may be the first intelligent thing that Square Enix has done in years. If stupid money is on the table, then you take it.
I don't doubt that Microsoft is getting a bit panicked but they're still profitable as a whole ($4.6 billion in Q4 2014, ending in July) and they've got the cash reserves to do it.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:36:01 AM

Yeah its not like Sony didnt pay to make Tomb Raider 2 exclusive after it was multiplatform, EXCEPT THEY DID. Or paying for GTA timed exclusivity even with a clear and insurmountable lead on the competition, just to put the boots to their throats. Nah, you guys are right. Sony is so right and pure....always. Gawd....

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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:36:29 AM

oops. I meant to post that eurogamer response to this thread. it's just down below from here.
my emotions have totally deflated. MS can have their holiday 2015 title while I'm playing Uncharted 4.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:38:20 AM

funny Kid, I played Tomb Raider 2 day one on my PC.
What, they weren't going to bring it to what? N64? the vast majority of third party publishers avoided it during the time. Saturn was already on it's death bed by then so they don't count for nothing. stop being a meddler.

EDIT: and my whole posts on this were based all on the notion that the game was fully locked down by MS. I don't give a crap about timed exclusives. there's plenty of games that could be played first. Sony's history on locking down even timed exclusivity deals is short at worst.

EDIT2: and what the crap is this about GTA? are you really referring to GTA3? what? you think it was coming to GC or something? Xbox was so new at the time I doubt Rockstar even cared to port it right away.. which they eventually did. when the console had enough of a base for Rockstar to even care about.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:53:29 AM

Ok Temspin. The argument is Sony doesn't pay for exclusives timed or otherwise, like mean old Microsoft. The argument is not how viable the competing platforms were when the deal was done.

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Shauneepeak
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:04:04 AM

Just posting this here....
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/statuses/499201151179685889

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Akuma_
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 6:37:42 AM

The argument is that Sony doesn't go around buying up franchises to increase its popularity.

Most of, if not all of their exclusive franchises are home grown, unless someone can prove me wrong?

@Bio,
my forum thread was complaining about the gaming community in general, specifically calling out the Xbox fans on the Destiny forum. I am not sure how that is in any way relevant to me being passed about this tomb Raider thing.

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godsman
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 7:56:51 AM

@Bio,

I agree with you to some degree about Sony, but not with cash. When Sony was leading in PS2 era, they cut positive deals with developers. I believe on the business standpoint, if i were sony, i would suggest, if your game sells 3 million on our platform you get 5% of the revenue etc. Developers would naturally focus only on the Sony platform.

Microsoft on the other hand are being unhealthy to the market. They throw stacks of cash into the market where theres no foreseeable benefit & return to gamers. It harms to gaming market.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:04:56 AM

....... kid.... that's exactly what temjin addressed.

@godsman
You make an excellent observation, friend. The development world is always full of risk. We've seen well made games fail before, afterall. The scariest part of all is that you have to make a game on a budget you think will be less than what the game will make. Tough to predict. I completely understand the attraction in accepting up-front development cash if you sell your game only on "our" console. All of a sudden, a huge portion of risk is mitigated. Technology is risky to invest in for anyone, no matter how good the product.

So I get why they would accept, but I have a hard time believing it would pay off well unless the up front payment all but ensures an evenly broken budget.

Personally, I think TR gained some traction with the last entry, and I think the next one would be more successful, so I think it's a mistake. But that's still a gamble. That's why I think down the road, they'll be allowed to bring a remastered or complete with dlc version to PS4 and PC down the road. By then, anyone who would have bought a XB1 for the game will have done so, and there's no reason for MS to be against SE making more money off it. Afterall, they'll always have the fact that they had it first.

For MS it makes sense, depending on risk tolerance, it makes sense to the developer, but yeah, I agree. If done too much, it does harm and unevenly balance the market.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:31:54 AM

He asked when Sony locked down a well known exclusive. I gave him two that I know of. Sony paid for GTA sequels to not appear on Xbox for 6 months. And they also paid for TR 2 to be console exclusive. But truth is always the ultimate foe of fan ignorance.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:51:01 AM

I highly doubt they paid for that at all, given that it's very unlike Sony's business model across all sectors. I would need proof to believe that.

That's not how it works. If you see something come out exclusively for one console and then come out on others down the road, it's likely timed exclusivity. If it never reaches a console, it was never paid off. It was just a 3rd party exclusive.

You don't really see 3rd party exclusives anymore because all systems sell so well. In the PS2 era, it happened lots because the payoff for going multiplat wasn't always so great with PS2 having a large 6:1 system over system ratio.

The only time I've ever wondered about Sony doing something like that is with the DLC bonuses you get on Playstation for Assassin's Creed stuff. I've also never looked into it as much to find out.

Lastly, the reason you're so tough to listen to is because you always finish your comments with a vague, non-committal general insult as this weird sort of protective pre-wall against anyone that might disagree with you. You invite abuse.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:59:10 AM

A lot of what's going on, it's typical retarded Sony fan hypocrisy. Last gen when MS went and made some RPGs, that was bad. "Waaaah! Japanese devs should only make games for Sony! They sold out!" If a game was once exclusive, then multiplat: "oh! MS bought the game for their system!" No MS fan complained that games like Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect and others going multiplatform. ONLY SONY FANS DO THIS. Only Sony fans disown devs like Insomniac because they dont make games just for themand hope they fail. And look at Resistance 3 sales. They didnt even support the dev when they had them! They just dont want anyone else to. It's nuts. People say MS bought a bunch of games. Which ones?? MS gets exclusive timed content for CoD "whooaa! You bad M$!" Sony gets exclusive content for Destiny *Whooa! That's awesome! It's gonna move systems!"

Sad part is that Sony killed it at Gamescom. Killed it. An amazing show. Hate to say this about TR but it isn't even on the radar when compared to what's in store for the next year, in my opinion. TR is a loss but not really a big one. Crystal Dynamics built a nice game on the foundation that Naughty Dog set with Uncharted. But I can't imagine that they will be able to leap frog ND and make a game that's going to set the bar like UC4 will.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:06:34 AM

I'm just gonna let that first paragraph go because there's a stark lack of understanding on many of those points you raise, both in regards to what's happening, and what the real consumer reaction is outside of the half dozen or so internet posts you've read.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:15:17 AM

Of course, I am speaking exclusively on the internet reactions to these points, which I wish were only only limited to a few posts here and there. And this isn't indicative of every single fan, just a small but extremely vocal percentage.

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SirLoin of Beef
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:25:25 AM

"No MS fan complained that games like Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect and others going multiplatform."

@Kid, you must not visit the same Xbox sites I do, then. when ME was announced as coming out for the PS3, the proverbial poop hit the fan on the official Xbox site, for example. Many flocked to BioWare's site to complain about the PS3 getting the game.

And, in a similar vein, when Bungie announced that the PS4 would get timed exclusive content, Xbox fans foamed at the mouth in the Bungie fora about about Bungie was screwing them over, threatening to cancel their preorders, etc.

For the record, I have an X1 as well as a PS4 so I'm not negatively affected WRT my ability to play the game so I'm not looking at this as raging PS fan. I understand why MS did it and, from a business standard, I think it could end up being a wise move. I don't like it as a gamer, though. The only third-party exclusives I don't feel bad about backing are new IPs, not established ones such as this one.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:39:16 AM

kid, are really trying to tell me what MY argument was? Are you that dense?

both you and Bio chose to point to decade-plus old games that appeared only on Sony's platform, and then decided they must have paid them off to do it. Yet you totally disregard sound reasoning why any of those games appeared on any other platforms at the time. I suppose you believe Sony is keeping GTAV from the Wii U too, huh?

there's a reason you can't point to any well known RECENT examples. Sony had more reason than ever to lock down games for the PS3 yet they hadn't. Why? Because it isn't and HASN'T been in their business ethos. That's why. They don't play the game like that. Only MS does. So get off your "all businesses are the same and MS is no different than Sony" bullcrap. The truth is happening right before your eyes and everyone else's and here you are making up stories.



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Deleted User
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:47:21 AM

There are Xbox only sites? I didn't even know they existed. I only visit three sites. This one, Destructoid (rarely), and Nintendo Life. So if I misjudged the severity of those outbursts from the MS fans, im sorry about that. .

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:09:15 AM

The fact that Destructoid was ever even in your address bar speaks volumes.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:09:34 AM

I just picked the two games that I know for sure Sony inked a deal for some exclusivity. It's not like I'm saying they did it with every exclusive. Like if I said they did it with Soul Calibur 3 even though 2 sold more on the GC, a system that Sony had outsold 3 to 1 at the time, I'd be wrong. That was Namco's decision. I understand where you are coming from but it doesn't change the fact of whay Sony did in these two instances. And for the PS3, we will never know what deals Sony may have attempted in desperation that fell through. I mean, they did put a lot behind Haze, a once planned multiplat that became exclusive to PS3. Was that Ubis choice or did Sony shell out. Again, we cant tell, but something happened for that decision to be made.. For a second there, I thought you had evolved from the lemming Temjin you used to be, but it's nice to see you're back in business full-time.

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Deleted User [Administrator]
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:13:42 AM

What volumes? Never went there for reviews. In some instances, they have more in depth info on some great lesser known titles that this site won't even acknowledge.

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Bio
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:43:03 PM

So yeah, confirmed now that it's just a timed exclusive, which was obvious to anyone paying attention :P

All this rage over absolutely nothing.

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Evil Incarnate
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 2:22:51 PM

Why do people think this is a great business move? Microsoft probably paid a crap load of money to secure exclusive or timed exclusive for one Tomb Raider game to generate Xbox One sales, which all the profit made from those Xbox One sales will be offset or less than the cost of paying for the exclusivity contract.
So, Microsoft probably sees no profit so why do it? The only reason for an action like this is to deprive others that don't own your device from being able to have it.
If MS actually wanted to generate profit they would have stuck the money in a new IP they could own, or paid for extra in game content to make it the best version for gamers to buy.


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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:03:48 PM

Kid did the thought occur to you that because both the GC and Xbox sold so poorly Namco just didn't bother porting them? The game was built on PS2 arcade hardware. It was much easier and cost effective to just release it for PS2. Give me one instance of Sony announcing SC3 as a timed exclusive.
Actually don't. Per the usual I don't care what you think because it always results in circles and thoughtless remarks.

tee-hee-hee
"Guy"
"Temspin"
"Lemming"
tee-hee-hee


Bio, take your own advice. If you read what I posted just last night you would've known not to post that.


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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 5:00:09 PM

and SCIII released in October of 2005. Less than a month before Xbox 360's launch and about 1 year before the GC was officially discontinued. The PS2, on the other hand, was alive and well in 2005. Heck it still is available at retail.
so yea, uh huh makes perfect sense SCIII was bought out while the Xbox was already officially dropped and at the time stores were sitting on more GC's than they knew what to do with. If you don't remember GC sales all but flatlined. It's obvious all of those nintendo users went somewhere that gen..... and it certainly wasn't to Xbox. Why shouldn't Namco save some bucks and just market and support one platform at that point? (don't answer that. I really am done here)


and for the record, SCII on PS2 outsold every other platform globally by at least 50% no matter what the Link fans tell you.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 5:16:16 PM

ooh oh I got one!
Nintendo Sony and MS all paid off Namco NOT to release Soul Calibur 2 on Dreamcast! The version that had Sonic The Hedgehog as a combatant. Yea, that's right!
Those evil businesses are all the same. I can't believe they would sit there and just rub it in Sega's face like that.
=p

then right after that both MS and Sony teamed up and payed off Namco to not release a port of SCIV to Wii!
H-h-how could they? Link was the only reason to even play a SOUL Calibur

....sorry couldn't help myself


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pillz81
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 11:39:50 AM

Making blanket statements is a sign of ignorance. On the fanboyism of Ponies and assigning ranting exclusively against them, the "ONLY SONY FANS DO THIS" spiel and the no MS fan complained about NG and ME multiplat and only Sony fans disown devs.

I'll just chalk it up to being all hype from challenges to your opinions.

How many years have you been on this earth and not know there are Xbox only sites?

Sony killed Gamescom eh? I'm glad you think so because the XB1ers would like to disagree with you.

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Karosso
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:16:57 PM
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Well Well, it seems SQueneex wants to sink with the XBoat720p... Good Riddance!!

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Akuma_
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:29:55 PM
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This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen so far. It has derailed Gamescom, nothing else will be spoken about now. I don't really understand how CD can say that this move was to make sure that they could make Tomb Raider one of the biggest games in gaming, when they are now cutting out 3/4 over the gaming market.

1/4 of the gaming market does not equal one of the biggest games out there.

Plus there is going to be (already is) massive backlash from PC and PS fans, and will damage CD's reputation in the industry.

There is one part of this that is extremely concerning though.

It shows us that Squeenix is fully willing to make a franchise exclusive to one console, if they are paid enough cash. It doesn't matter how popular that game is on other consoles, if you pay them enough, they will hand you the keys.

What is to stop them from doing this with Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts? Microsoft has showed they want to make a push for Japan, grabbing one of those franchises would be a HUGE hit to Sony.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:32:15 PM

it's some of the best worst news ever.

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godsman
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:39:09 PM

Haha, when i read the response from CD, i laughed so hard. The dude couldn't even give any valid reason why they did it. I was thinking in my head, come on PR guy, say something intelligent or people will assume you were bought out like a whore....

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:07:20 PM

exactly. CD's comments were a bunch of bull crap loaded fluff.
These guys might as well be dirty politicians with money falling out of their coat pockets while claiming they're standing up for what's just, true, and right for this country!
but in this case, just replace country with Tomb Raider.

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Akuma_
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:39:23 PM

yeah I am really getting tired of these PR fairies trying to sell us on the bullshit lies with the "Our best friends at Microsoft" lines.

Just tell us the truth straight up, bad PR or not. Gamers are much smarter than these PR guys give us credit for, and lying only makes a bad situation worse.

Just say "Yes, the game is exclusive, Microsoft gave us the cash we needed to fund the game".

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godsman
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:44:34 PM
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We all know SE would release an even more definitive edition for PS4 in 2016 where it'll have 30+ million sales. Then mop up the game sales and MS's cash.

Ben, this is a great example of what the gaming world would be without Microsoft (your other article)... happy gamers. The industry is shifting to mobile and free to play market. Microsoft should have spent the cash on creating new studios and not keep games away from others. I was surprised that they didn't get a Destiny timed exclusivity.

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Buckeyestar
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:54:08 PM

Yeah, I pretty much expect a Definitive Edition or some such later in for PS4. They made such a deal over unit sales on the last one, yet decided to shoot themselves in the foot by excluding most of the market in exchange for a bag of cash.

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Akuma_
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:32:47 PM

I have to disagree with your comment about the market moving towards mobile and F2P.

I think this generation has proven how popular mainstream gaming still is.

Mobile gaming is no longer a threat, it has already peaked, if anything mobile gaming is now serving as an entry level for people who will latter on become mainstream console gamers.

F2P COULD have been a threat, but most of the companies that do it end up ruining their game. If it is done right, sure maybe, but I don't see it happening.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:48:51 PM
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I don't understand this. Crystal Dynamics is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Square-Enix, and publication rights should belong to Square still? Or this could be a Bayonetta 2 kind of scenario, with Microsoft stepping in to bring the project to fruition with a potentially massive influx of cash in exchange for exclusivity?

Obviously Microsoft don't have the rights to the entire franchise, as Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris is still coming to PS platforms, but this situation is just really confusing to me.

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Akuma_
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:37:35 PM

Well yeah, I guess that Squeenix wasn't willing to put the cash in to support the sequel, since the first game didn't meet their expectations, then Microsoft came in and said "You fully support the game, and we will hand you bags of money for exclusivity"

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Shauneepeak
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:08:08 AM

Thing is they announced the game at e3 in a way that made it seem it had no exclusivity then couple months later we get this. The worst part is they didn't even give us a new trailer or gameplay with this horrible announcement.

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Night_train80
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 10:49:22 PM
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I missed out on the early years of Tomb Raider, mostly cause as a kid I was hooked on fighting games. I really enjoyed the reboot and was excited when I first saw footage of the sequel. It was a huge punch to the gut hearing I won't get to play it now. This question has been brought up on here in the past, "What one game would make you buy an Xbox One?" Tomb Raider would be mine, though I still won't be doing so.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:00:05 PM

Final Fantasy. It's always been about Final Fantasy.


BTW great question!

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Akuma_
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:34:25 PM

Yeah, as LV said.

Actually for me, it would be Kingdom Hearts 3.

KH3 is the ONE game that would make me buy one, and I would buy a second hand one so that MS doesn't see my cash.

That's why I am concerned, I am a staunch Playstation supporter, I will always support the brand, but there IS still something I would buy a Xbox for.

Squeenix is now showing their hand when it comes to exclusivity. It now looks possible that we could lose other Squeenix franchises in the future. If Sony loses FF or KH, then we could see a Xbox comeback.

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Night_train80
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:59:45 PM

Actually Akuma I would agree about Kingdom Hearts 3, and for that one I just might have to pull the trigger. Let's hope that day never comes! But as far as what we know for a fact won't be coming to our beloved PS4, Rise of the Tomb Raider remains my biggest disappointment so far.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:00:39 PM
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I don't really get the article, why does flubbing number expectations lead to Microsoft exclusivity? The need for massive loads of cash?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:07:52 PM

SE's inflated costs and higher than realistic expectations put them in a situation where MS could swoop in and show them the $$$.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:12:05 PM

my only thought is that S-E may not have been willing to re-invest as heavily as they had on the first game, thus weakening the potential of what the new game could be. Perhaps MS dropped down money bags and said we'll pay out all the difference needed to make this the best TR possible but it'll need to be ONLY for XO to make this happen.

This to me is the only logical explanation based on the sort of comments about this deal that have been made.

But I think it only delays the invitable for S-E. Because S-E better grow some balls if they ever plan to make it in this industry. Maybe S-E just doesn't like competing at this scale. It's dangerous when game projects could possibly tank when games draw near 100 million to produce and market. And TR needs a bigger budget to be fully realized. But if this were the case, I say S-E should sell the property if they're not willing to support it the right way.

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godsman
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:39:25 PM

i don't know what attach rate are square enix expecting 10% of 10 million? Ryse sold like 1 million on Xbox as a launch title and still are considered a failure. TR is a playstation game like Metal Gear. The exclusivity won't convert PS owners. Probably won't convince any Xbox 360 owners either.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:31:13 AM

I think eurogamer may have mislead me.

"This is not a timed exclusive, but a genuine one, as confirmed by Crystal Dynamics head Darrell Gallagher on the Tomb Raider tumblr. "Our friends at Microsoft have always seen huge potential in Tomb Raider and have believed in our vision since our first unveil with them on their stage at E3 2011," he writes. "We know they will get behind this game more than any support we have had from them in the past - we believe this will be a step to really forging the Tomb Raider brand as one of the biggest in gaming, with the help, belief and backing of a major partner like Microsoft."
-Eurogamer

This was taken right from eurogamer with the article titled "Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusive to Xbox One"
The problem is that the editor Oli Welsh adds the line "this is not a timed exclusive ... " and then he goes on to directly to quote Gallagher.
I clicked the link that the article referenced and Gallagher doesn't confirm anything. Oli is an idiot and should be reprimanded who has given their readers, including me, false news.

So I'm just going to cool it for the time being because it seems to me the game will just come to PS4 and PC anyway.


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Beamboom
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:08:09 AM

I didn't fully get it either, World.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, August 12, 2014 @ 11:49:32 PM
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This has been a very entertaining day on the ol net today. A lot of anger and tears. What makes this whole situation even funnier is only a few days ago, there was a rumor( from a guy that completely endorsed thuway's E3 predictions, no less) that the PS4 would get more 3rd party exclusives and some of the fans could not be happier. " yeah, we get da exclusives! Like da Ps2!" No worry about other gamers inability to play the games if they had a different system. Today, they are crying hard as hell. "Waah we deserve the games tooooo!" Then anger "Xbox can have that game! I hate you Square Enix!"

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Night_train80
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:07:17 AM

I don't know about what others think, but to me it's not about an issue of exclusivity. Exclusives are fine, those are the system sellers after all. Me personally, I have an issue with a game that was once multi platform becoming an exclusive. That kicks away all those other fans that enjoyed a developer's game and series. Exclusives good, multi platform good, even games that used to be exclusive going multi platform is good....telling half of your loyal customers tough shit cause now we're going with only one console for a direct sequel, that's just wrong!

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:12:45 AM

At the end of the day it's about the games. Whatever system(s) has the games I want to play gets my money. SE cost themselves $40 (I seldom buy new games) since I'm just going to "permanently borrow" this on PC when that day comes instead of getting it for a Sony system.

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daus26
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:22:16 AM

This generation (n even last gen for me), hearing ps4 exclusive means the game is on the best possible platform without having to worry about possible compromises. That would be why I'd be excited n at least hve more reasonings than if it were xone exclusive. I mean this is the franchise that performed better on the ps4 n a game both playstation n xbox players are growing to love. They are cutting an already large portion of the fan base as oppose to new ip that are just starting.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:13:29 AM

What I don't understand is why SE is doing it.

I've never been into TR much, so it doesn't bother me... which is also why you don't see me talking about this situation with a lot of emotion.

For me, it's a numbers puzzle. I get why you'd do it if MS offers you a bunch of money to do it, but just looking at the history of the franchise, it only sold as many as it did because of multiplats. The PS3 version of the last entry sold well over 2 million while the XBOX version only sold 1.7. I'm confused about where they think a majority of the fans are. And that's for a platform that has 83 million units sold for both XBOX and PS3.

This gen, PS4 has 10 million sold to xboxone 5 million.... like... when things are equal, more sell on Playstation... when playstation has double the exposure, why exclusive to such a tiny market?

Since XBOX obviously didn't have a huge TR following, as seen in the sales, I can't imagine this being much of a system seller. This seems to me to be set up for disaster.

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:13:18 AM
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According to the the guy in charge of Game Informer, Andy McNamara this is a timed exclusive. Just use the old google engine and look up his twitter.

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Shauneepeak
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:10:58 AM

Geoff Keighley said the same thing and was corrected VERY quickly.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:05:45 AM

@DIsmael85: I don't know; I am thinking that this is not a timed exclusive based on what I am reading. However, sales will dictate what happens in 2016...

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 2:30:50 PM

Phil Spencer pretty much confirmed it's timed exclusive. :)

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:15:36 AM
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I said this earlier on another post that had nothing to do with TR but i'm going to say again... I really believe Square and MS are trying to sell this as an exclusive but i dont think it will be, i think it will be a timed exclusive... If CD says we have no plans right now then thay pretty much is a hint that its most likely coming... Xbox needs sales and they need to sell to the consumer that this is only on Xbox One for that to happen

During Gamescon Phil Harrison words made me think otherwise bc he said,"xbox one is the only platform you will be able to play this game on in 2015"... I pretty sure this game will make its way to PC And ps4 in the future... Sucks PS fans have to wait though

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FAREEZ
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:35:24 AM
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Damn, i want xbox one all the sudden...

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ulsterscot
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:25:31 AM
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It will be interesting if they go head to head with Uncharted 4 - Naughty Dog will be under huge pressure now to ensure the genre crown stays with Playstation.

The reboot of Tomb Raider was good, and iconic franchise or no - it just isnt on par with the magnificence of the Uncharted games.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:03:16 AM

@ulstercot: I think that is one of the main reasons why MS did this. Counterpunch to Uncharted 4. I loved all the Uncharted games and I also loved the Tomb Raider reboot.

Going to be interesting to watch this play out...

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kraygen
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:46:46 AM
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So square revives the tomb raider franchise with such an amazing game it really was like Lara Croft had been raised from the dead.

Well it's time to bury her again because Enix just shot her in the face.

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Corvo
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:56:10 AM
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No words.

MS plays dirty, and it'll always be that way. Square made some money, and lost way too much selling off an IP that made them a lot on all consoles. Heres some advice to Square:

Sell Final Fantasy to sony. They know what it needs and where it belongs.

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Kevin555
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:22:03 AM

The internet can argue all day about this being MS playing dirty when the real problem is the weak as piss devs that cave in at the knees when a fat cheque is waved in their face.

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Kevin555
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:10:05 AM
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Get over it guys, it happens.

WiiU and Xbox fans miss out on Uncharted 4.

PS4 and Xbox fans miss out on Bayonetta 2.

PS4 and WiiU fans miss out on the new Tomb Raider.

Unless you're one of the lucky sods who own all three machines (unfortunately i am not one of those people) just be thankful with the exclusives you will get to play on your machine of choice.

The amount of tears & butthurt drowning the forums after this announcement is astounding. The internet just went full on stupid.

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Shauneepeak
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:16:42 AM

Lol NOT EVEN CLOSE. Uncharted is a Sony owned IP from the very beginning, Bayonetta was not popular and would have never had a sequel unless Nintendo saved it.

Tomb Raider is a gaming icon that has spanned 20 years and has never had any sort of exclusivity.

While not nearly as bad imagine what would happen if Rockstar suddenly came out and said Grand Theft Auto was now an Xbox exclusive franhise?

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Kevin555
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:25:37 AM

If we're going to talk about this trip-down-memory-lane origin bs then i could argue by saying the first Tomb Raider also appeared on the Sega Saturn, which most people seem to forget.

Point is, all three games are big exclusives for their respected consoles regardless of their history. You win some, you lose some.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:32:05 AM

Kevin the problem is that SE rooboted the franchise on both consoles and the PS userbase has more fans then MS and this becomes apparent when the Sony platform version of tomb raider outsold the xbox versions by a large margin... So the game sold as much as it did mostly thanks to Sony fans... And then they thank them by taking the sequel away from their platform and thats why so many ppl are angry... I will be playing the game on my X1 regardless but i do understand why Sony fans are mad

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 8:52:51 AM

@Kevin5: If this were reversed and Sony acquired Rise of the Tomb Raider as an exclusive...responses from everyone on here would be different basically laughing in MS face.

Again bottom line, these companies are in it to make $$$ and obviously MS paid a lot to get this.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:18:55 AM

I disagree Surfer. There are a ton of PC fans here as well that would be upset about it not going to PC.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:24:39 AM

@Underdog15...my point is the reaction would be different is the shoe was on the other foot regarding Sony vs MS

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:53:32 AM

On a Sony-centric site? You mean to suggest fans of Playstation would be happier if it was exclusive to Playstation?

You don't say....

I personally believe most would be happy but would say things more along the lines of, "That sucks for PC and XBOX guys, but that's awesome for us!"

I'm not sure you can base an entire demographic of fans on a small sampling of internet keyboard warriors.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:20:22 AM

@Underdog15: I personally believe most would be happy but would say things more along the lines of, "That sucks for PC and XBOX guys, but that's awesome for us!"

That is funny. You are one of the most objective people on this site but that statement is simply not correct.

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Akuma_
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:06:07 AM

@surfer

You must be new to this site. If that happened we here at PSXE would certainly not be laughing in people's faces.

I don't get why people even say that though. Like the argument is "if Sony bought ROTTR then PS fans would be happy and PC/Xbox fans would be pissed", we'll uhhhhhh duh, of course, that's common sense man. The negatively affected party would be angry, and has every right to be. That is no argument. It's irrelevant.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:11:13 AM

Surfer seems to think we're just a bunch of clueless fanboys.

No, that would not have been the reaction. There might have been less annoyance but there still would've been discussion.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:18:38 AM

@Ben...cmon Ben call a spade a spade at least lol. Because it hurt PS owners, users' comments on this site are saying it was wrong to do this by MS and Square Enix etc. My point is if it were reversed, no one on this site would be saying these same points they are making now.

Ben, it is tough for you I know who mentioned "Xbox has nothing beside Rise and Halo" which is completely absurd. Hard to be objective.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:23:09 AM

@Akuma07...116 comments and counting for this topic is obviously not irrelevant lol.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:47:10 AM

After spending 5 years or so on this site on a regular basis, I think I do have a decent understanding of the community at large, thanks.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:53:23 AM

Actually, I could probably point to some of the people specifically that would react that way.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:00:48 PM

Surfer,

I would be excited if TR was an exclusive for the PS4. Just like any exclusive it would make for a more refined product. Since the PS4 is the #1 selling system and the most powerful I'm shocked that this game has been confirmed as a "timed" exclusive. I guess SE doesn't want to make more money than the first one?

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Shauneepeak
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:24:57 PM

Um Kevin what is your second comment supposed to prove you are just proving my point more the first Tomb Raider was also on PC.
Like I was saying it is an Iconic multiplatform franchise that has spanned 20 years and now it is exclusive.

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Kevin555
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 3:59:03 AM
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@Deathb4Dishonor, I agree mate, it is a dick move & it's baffling to say the least. But it's just competition. If people love the game as much as they say they do, they will buy an X1 & leave the petty sob stories at the door for someone who will share them a shoulder to whimper on.

Bayonetta although not great in sales was amazing for 360 & PS3, & what happens? They release the sequel exclusively on a console that never saw the original while completely kicking sand in the eyes of those that purchased & enjoyed the original.

Killer Instinct is another example, made it's debut on Nintendo, now MS owns it. Fans of the series such as myself whose enjoyed all those nostalgic memories years ago miss out.

Although either of these are not as big as TR. I guess what i am trying to say is: shite happens, & you move on.

Anyway, enjoy your TR on your X1 you lucky ponce ;)

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:33:44 PM

Well i guess it does bother me a lil since i mostly use my X1 for shooters and my PS4 for everything else and i played the reboot on PS4 so i was hoping to continue it there

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 4:39:28 AM
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What's most infuriating about this is how they have already represented this 'Reboot' series to the Playstation and then slapped our wrists for wanting seconds. Had the first reboot just been on Xbox, I'd be grouchy about but over it.

What gets my goat is that they release the first game on PS3 and then have the nerve to re-release it on PS4 - Which I thought the purpose was to set up people on PS4 for the sequel. Then say, nope, we're not continuing the series on this console. Even if this is a timed exclusive and we get the DLC Edition in 2016 I am done. It's this kind of nonsense which is why I am considering not continuing with gaming in general, the industry seems such a mess right now.

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JackieBoy
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 5:26:04 AM

Don't let this "exclusivity" nonsense get to you man. Don't give up your hobby just because some idiots made decision on one game.
I am not gonna be bothered while there is so many other outstanding titles to play.

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JackieBoy
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 5:22:12 AM
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Although I love this game, MS are idiots thinking that all the people (and me) will now run and buy Xbox just for this title, when it's obvious that PS4 is the leading console this generation in terms of specs. And people already know about it. In coming year we will see growing gap where PS4 outsales Xbox. In the end there will be not many users to buy RoTR and the exclusivity will end fast.
Anyway, shame that this happened to a game that for 20 years was never an exclusive...

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matt99
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:41:10 AM

Ya, my only worry is that this exclusivity thing will kill this excellently rebooted franchise entirely. If it sells poorly I'm concerned no one will fund a third, even if it's multiplat.

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KingRed
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:05:00 PM

Matt99 I have the same feeling as you. I never brought the first one. A buddy had it, so I am borrowing from him. Low funds at the time.

The E3 trailer made me really want this one. I was going to buy it D1 too. But I can not think of a game that can make me want to buy an XB1, let alone this one. SE just lost a sale from a definite new customer to the rebooted series.

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SirLoin of Beef
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 7:09:20 AM
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Did Sony have a chance to do this but didn't?

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:09:55 AM

@SirLoin Good question...

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:23:37 AM

I'm sure they could. Anyone could. There's no rules against it. It isn't really Sony's bag, though. They're more of a tech R&D giant than they are a peripheral "own all the sh!ts!" company. There's very few things they own majority stake in. In fact, the only things they own majority stake in are the things they dreamed up by themselves.

Even if you could argue why they should, it doesn't mesh well with their structure or mission, and in my experience knowing what I know about their investment portfolio, I think it would hurt Sony in the long run to try the same.

Don't forget, MS's PC division funds projects across all their sectors. Sony doesn't have any mammoth beast as impressive as that. That's a huge advantage for MS.

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Xzer0
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 8:00:57 AM
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S-E and CD are idiots and mS too, cause the developmnet of game will cost millions and I belive exclusivity cost too many millions and they are thinking that Xbox exclusivity will sell this game aroen a world? they are wrong, cause TR is most popular in europe where the most popular current-gen console is ps4 and if you do the math then the smartest move would be make this fanchise exclusive on this platform cause it would sell more in europe. But Xbone is not very popular in europe. I believe new TR would have sold on ps4 maybe to 3-5 millions copys, but on Xbone it would sell from 1 to 3 millions copys no more, cause on this system more pupular is Halo and CoD. If we look statistic for the 2013 year game then. THen ps3 version sold tottally 2.22 mil and on x360 1.71. Definitive edition on ps4 0.46 mil and xbone 0.17 mil. And I ask a question by this numberw what the f*****k are the thinking!!!!

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Godslim
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 8:56:29 AM
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what? the last tomb raider was great! this is very bad news

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Buckeyestar
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:08:32 AM
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Looks like it's confirmed that Rise of the Tomb Raider is a timed exclusive.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-13-microsoft-confirms-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-xbox-exclusivity-deal-has-a-duration?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph

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slow and smart
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:21:24 AM
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"Microsoft confirms Rise of the Tomb Raider Xbox exclusivity deal "has a duration" ,
[article on eurogamer]
so big words,and only a what longer timed exclusive!

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Kevin555
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:25:11 AM

Yeah just read that! Sounds like a timed exclusive. Hope it is because not going to lie, deep down i want to play this badly. We will wait & see i suppose.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:32:59 AM

@slowandsmart: Nice find. Yes looks like they are probably going to see the sales numbers at the end of the timing for the exclusivity and then we will see what happens next...

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Kevin555
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:36:16 AM

I'm assuming exclusive six months during the holiday season of 2015 to compete with Uncharted 4 (assuming that's out roughly the same time frame) so X1 can garner some juicy sales numbers against a big exclusive.

Still a good move on their part imo.

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Buckeyestar
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:36:44 AM

I posted the same thing but it's still "pending moderator approval". Maybe because I linked to the article?

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Evil Incarnate
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:51:43 AM

Still won't buy it! Crystal Dynamics screwed PS owners the first time by cutting the last level out of Tomb Raider Underworld and giving it to MS as exclusive content, now this. I'm also done with Square-Enix and have cancelled my pre-orders for Kingdom Hearts 2.5 and KH3 because of their history of being flaky at the start of last generation. Clearly S-E thinks they can screw fans and come back to snatch their money later.

Worst publisher in the industry! They make EA and Activision look like saints.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:56:20 AM

@Buckeye
Yeah, any links need to be approved.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:25:02 AM

@Dustinwp: Why would you not buy it? It is a good business move by MS to do this especially during a Holiday season with a huge title. Exclusive content and games are what sells consoles. Sony is doing it with Destiny and Xbox with Evolve beta. Yes, this is on another level but too not buy it...just my opinion.

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Evil Incarnate
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:46:23 AM

@surfer

It's not a smart move, it's a garbage monopoly business tactic. If you can't see the difference between an exclusive beta/extra content then I can't help you. Making your own exclusive IP like MS is doing with Insomniac (Sunset Overdrive) is completely different then paying to keep a multi-platform title from your competitor.The only people that are okay with these practices are fanboys. Don't like MS doing and wouldn't be okay with Sony doing it.

It is not S-E and Crystal Dynamics job to sell consoles, it's their job to sell software. The fact is S-E thinks they can double dip and get paid from MS, then get paid by PS4/PS3 owners down the road. Not going to happen with me because I vote with my dollars. S-E lost five to six sales on future game purchases from my wallet alone. Hope more follow.

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KingRed
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:09:19 PM

Dustinwp I feel the same way as you. I vote we with my wallet too. SE just lost me.

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Evil Incarnate
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:28:50 PM

@KingRed

Only way we can get through to these companies is is not spend money on their products. I love their games but they've jerked me around far too much.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:30:40 PM

@Dustinwp: if you follow in action what you wrote in your post then more power to you; however, for every one of you there will be a 100 that will buy Rise and other games from SE and CD no matter what.

Businesses do not have to ethical; they only have to make money...bottom line.

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Underdog15
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 9:01:05 AM

A business ethos or lack thereof can absolutely affect the bottom line. It does all the time. Microsoft's only disadvantage in the software development world is that a huge portion of computer scientists use linux and red hat. There's a massive corner of the market MS does not have because of their business ethos.

What Microsoft is experiencing at large right now is the after effects of their monopolizing ethos. It worked well at a time they could corner pretty much the whole market of whatever they wanted, but now it doesn't work that way with too many players have stake in each industry.

Mind you, they're certainly still a successful company, but there is a lot of unrest on a director and shareholder level.

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surfer
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 9:45:52 AM

@Underdog15: Walmart, Amazon, Nike, Microsoft...the list goes on and on...if u bought stock in MS or Amazon ten years ago wow...

Yes poor ethical decisions could hurt a business temporarily but in most cases it is a just a speed bump in the journey nothing more

I am not saying it is right but that is the reality.

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Underdog15
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 10:56:27 AM

What are you talking about? Microsoft's stock value is only 70% higher now than it was then. And that's only because it's on in incline this past year. Not only that, but their dividend yield is only around 1%. This is not impressive at all.....

My personal portfolio of blue chip companies do better. This past year alone, my investments from a year ago August have become worth 36% more. After 10 years it'll be a few hundred times more.

Apple, on the other hand is 45 TIMES more. THAT would have been huge to invest in that 10 years ago. MS has merely kept pace. Investors only really benefited from them if they had a lot invested and they enjoyed some nice residual income.

The other companies you mentioned are completely different kettles of fish that require different explanations.

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Underdog15
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 11:38:41 AM

Amazon has grown well and has a good dividend history, though, yes. That would have been a huge win 10 years ago. They are completely different from something like a Walmart, and incredibly different from something like Microsoft.

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surfer
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 3:28:49 PM

@Underdog15: Although your answers are always thorough you seem to miss the point a lot...I listed those companies because they have a reputation of not being too ethical yet they are successful. It was in response to Dustinwip saying they are through with companies like Square Enix and CD and they are not going to support companies by buying their games.

My point is after the exclusivity with Rise of Tomb Raider 95% of Sony customers will still buy it...doesn't matter that the business is not ethical or do right.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 9:48:28 AM
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@Kevin5: Agreed...like you and I have been saying all along it is a great move by MS to counterpunch Uncharted for Holiday 2015. It will be interesting to see the actual release dates now for these two titles.

I just don't Rise making enough in sales to keep it exclusive from Sony in the long run.

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:38:36 AM
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The ironic part is that PS4 owners would have probably bought Uncharted 4 first anyway. Then in 2016, they can pick up Rise of the Tomb Raider. Still stings but not permanent.

This will help MS having Halo 5 and Rise for Holiday 2015 though.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:57:06 PM

Well some ppl would've played right away considering it sold more on the PS platform it has a bigger fanbase... Guess Square figured they'll take MS money for a timed exclusive and still get the sales for PS players when its released later on... Personally even of i didnt have a X1 it wouldnt bother me to wait till the game is released on PS4 later on considering how many games are coming our way... I think most here were mad bc they thought that the game wasnt coming to PS4 at all but i been reading in a few places that says its a timed exclusive

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DarthNemesis
Friday, August 15, 2014 @ 7:00:48 AM

MS fans will buy Halo only,as usual.Theu did not even buy Forza.TR will not sell more in Xbox being a launch exclusive just because.MS fans don't buy the few exclusives they have except Halo and Gears.

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JackieBoy
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 10:49:01 AM
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I wouldn't take this commitment about timed exclusivity seriousely. I mean, they pay sh*t load of money first and then saying that it's a timed exclusivity? All those ppl that wanted to buy Xbot after the annoncement will now wait few months so money wasted MS!

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KingRed
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:53:07 AM
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I just started playing the reboot and enjoying it every much. When I saw the E3 trailer I was really hype for this game. But now they took all the wind out of it for me. It was going to be a D1 purchase too. Now it will not even be on my radar if it is a times exclusive or not.

SE I hope MS paid you a shit load. You just lost a sale from me. I wonder how many others feel the same as me.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:56:33 AM
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Well, anyways, I can't really afford to buy multiple consoles at this time, nor would I have time for all of them anyways. I don't even have a PS4 yet, and I don't know when I will.

I'm also not huge into TR, but I'm sure someday I'll get it on the cheap as a late PS4 release. So I'm not worried about it personally. I also don't think it's quite popular enough to be a "system seller".

It sold 1.7 million on 360 last entry... Compared to a REAL Xbox system seller, like Halo, it's got nothing. (Halo 3 sold around 12 million... there's your comparison.)

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surfer
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:21:59 PM
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agreed but combine Rise with Halo 5 and that will sell systems for Holiday 2015.

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Night_train80
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:07:26 PM
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Hip hip hooray! I just read on GameSpot that Rise of the Tomb Raider is in fact only a timed exclusive!

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Big_Boss90
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:12:12 PM

Yep only timed so clam down everybody, its only TR

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:31:21 PM

Lol the way you say it makes you sound like an ass even though you probably didnt mean it like that lol... But its not only TR... The roboot was an awesome game and from what we've seen from Rise of the Tomb Raider, its sure to be a great game too

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Big_Boss90
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 1:40:11 PM
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Nah wasnt trying be lol. Yes the reboot was awesome, and glad its only timed. What i meant was we can all clam down now...

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DIsmael85
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 2:08:01 PM
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And in other news MGS5 is announced for Steam. Holy hell. :D

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Bigimpactpooch
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 5:45:02 PM
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Well they shouldn't have made sequels to a Final Fantasy we didn't want

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Akuma_
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 6:04:20 PM
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Microsoft has announced that the Tomb Raider deal is a timed exclusive. How long it is timed we don't know yet.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 7:04:53 PM

Yea i saw that... I think its 6 months through the 2015 holiday season so i think PS4 will most likely get it early 2016

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Akuma_
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:24:07 PM

During the same interview, Phil Spencer spoke about being very happy with their relationship with Square Enix in the long term.

I dunno guys, I am calling it now.

Final Fantasy XV or Kingdom Hearts 3 will be Xbox timed exclusive.

You heard it first.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 11:37:50 PM

I doubt that... FF franchise sells like hotcakes in Japan and considering MS has never sold well in japan, SE would lose a crap load of money if they do that... I can see something like Deus Ex being another time exclusive for MS

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Rachet_JC_FTW
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 5:19:12 AM
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yeah i know they suck at the business side but dam there a lot of pissed games and i was almost beyond pissed off tbh i was raging and man i said it to a friend i am in not way going to buy that console for tht game i'll wait for it to come ot PC or something..

happy gaming

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Beamboom
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 6:10:48 AM
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Like suspected, it's just a timed exclusive.

Move along folks, nothing more to be seen here.

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Big_Boss90
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 10:32:21 AM

Yea really

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FatherSun
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 6:32:18 PM
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Stop with the "timed" this! "exclusive" that!

If you are in the GAME show me why your are in it! Dont move the content around as an advantage over the competition. CREATE something! I create something great and you strive to create something greater. And so on and so forth. This is how our industry will grow.

Exclusivity to me comes from the platform holder. Anything else is uncivilized.

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DarthNemesis
Friday, August 15, 2014 @ 6:53:17 AM
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LOL at people saying Sony paid for GTA as if they would have to when PS2 was already established and GTA was not even a big seller til PS2.

Xbox and GC released that fall when GTA3 came out.Know your facts before you make accusations.

Xbox and GC sold poorly so common sense would make devs support PS2 exclusively than port later.

Also TR was announced for PS/PC at E3 and MS are blocking it which is dirty.This is not business period,no matter who does it.

DLC... Ms started that with COD and GTA4.How quickly people forget.As for TR2, um who even owned a Saturn? It was also bigger on PSX so still no proof they blocked it on the Saturn.

People will defend MS to the death."MS smacked my mama,it's good business" ROFL.

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VictorDeLeon
Sunday, August 17, 2014 @ 5:07:15 PM
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and what about Microsoft not buying all the exclusives they can? I mean, not doing a serious business proposition, but paying 1+ million for a game that maybe won't bring back this money, only because they can

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SwinalTap
Monday, August 18, 2014 @ 12:41:45 PM
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Man, this playground bickering is getting old. Microsoft does this type of business. Sony does this type of business. It's how things work. Did anyone stop to think that if these companies didn't do this, we wouldn't have all the great games that have come to us over the years.

Yes, I know this is a Sony first site. "M$ bad, Sony good!!!" I get it. However, if Microsoft didn't exist, Sony wouldn't be half the company it is today. For that, all gamers should be thankful. Competition is very good for us!

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