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Dear Sony: Please Don't Rush The PS4 To Market...It's Unnecessary

No, I get it. I know why you don't want to give Microsoft a head-start again.

It's a perfectly justifiable reaction to say, "Damn, we can't be behind this generation in terms of new hardware launch." While the sales numbers prove the PlayStation 3 has made its mark beside the Xbox 360 (worldwide sales numbers are now slightly in favor of the PS3, even after launching a year after the 360, right?), it was tough early on. The system was far too expensive, besides Resistance: Fall of Man, the software wasn't really there, Blu-Ray hadn't won the high-definition format battle yet, and the PlayStation Network was in its infancy stages.

Therefore, it's probably a good idea to go toe-to-toe with your competition this generation, rather than launching a year later again. However, I really can't stress this enough- If you're not ready, Sony, don't push it. Look, Nintendo and Microsoft need new consoles; those systems are tapped out. All one has to do is look at the currently available software and what's on the horizon, and it becomes quite clear that there isn't much power left. On the other hand, designers continue to say, given the smallest opportunity, that there's plenty of life left in the PS3, and projects like The Last Of Us may prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Besides, it seems to me that most PS3 owners are happy to keep their system for a while, and Sony has even stated that the system is "just hitting its stride." If you launch the PS4 alongside the Xbox 720, it may be difficult to convince even the hardcore PlayStation fans to jump into the new generation. The Xbox is in dire need of that upgrade; the PS3, maybe not so much. It already has the true high-def format that might finally work its way into the 720 and really, the exclusives could be pushed to new heights on the current Sony machine. It's another strike if the PS4 is as ridiculously expensive as its predecessor was at launch.

If you're good to go, fine. No problem. But if you rush this machine just for the sake of keeping pace, I'd have to advise against that. I really don't think it's necessary. ...then again, maybe I'll feel differently towards the end of next year. Who knows?

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, new playstation, next-gen, sony

4/4/2012 8:52:22 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (45 posts)

thj_1980
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 9:53:17 PM
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I want them to piss-off with the used game stuff because a lot of people rely on that. Also backwards compatilbity is a must...

I can't tell how many times people have wanted backwards compatibilty after they taken it away from the older ps3's with the newer models..

BUt this is considering if those rumors are true or not.

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Palpatations911
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:51:10 PM

The backwards compatibility that was available in the earlier PS3's was one of the biggest drivers in the price. I believe the chip that allowed the PS3 to run PS2 games without being ported to the PS3 architecture caused the price to be about $100 more. With that knowledge, who wants to pay $100 more for a system just to play games on an older system that you probably already own(ed)?

Outside of gaming elitists, most people I knew in 2006 went for a 360 instead of a PS3 due to the massive $599.99 price tag that the PS3 carried. As a result, PS3 didn't really take off until they began removing the "PS2" chips, slimming the model down, and reducing the price significantly.

In other words, backwards compatibility is nice but if it is not cost effective it will ultimately hurt their sales.



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chilker
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:01:58 PM

"who wants to pay $100 more for a system just to play games on an older system that you probably already own(ed)?"

I did.
And I still play PS2 gems on my system. Not as much as I did the first 2 years I had it, but it's still a wonderful feature to have. It was especially nice because weeks after I got my PS3, my PS2 finally gave up the ghost. I had a bunch of unfinished PS2 games that would have been unplayable without a backwards compatible PS3.

It also has made it so I don't have to get the re-releases of old games that Sony is putting out. Sure they are beautiful, but if I already have a playable copy of the game, I'm not going to buy it again. Except maybe Devil May Cry.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 12:04:00 AM

That's their problem in terms of getting over a design/cost hurdle, not ours. Software emulation, a different chip, any number of directions could have been taken instead of just scrapping it entirely and making us pay all over again for the same games. Which is what is happening now. Obviously something can be done as we're being sold untouched ported PS2 games on the store as we speak.

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telly
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 9:42:30 AM

The unfortunate truth is Sony knows it can save money by not giving us BC, and can make more money by making us buy PS2, and eventually PS3, games all over again. It stinks, but what are you gonna do?

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Helghast
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 10:16:29 AM

Im no technical genius when it comes to processor architecture but if Sony is using AMD chips in the PS4, wouldn't it by highly impractical to try to emulate PS3 games on the PS4 since emulating any Cell software on X86 is highly impracticable? I think their only option would be to include a Cell processor specifically for PS3 BC which would defiantly add to the cost. I would not mind the extra cost as I was an early adopter of the PS3 and I love the fact that I have BC even if I barely use it, but I think realistically Sony would lose more customers to Microsoft over price than to the exclusion of BC. Just my opinion. Not saying anyone else is wrong for their opinions because everyone is entitled to own opinion.
If anyone knows more about the technicalities of running PS3 games on X86 hardware I would love to hear from you.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:09:59 PM

Palpatations,

The cost of the PS3 was $499 for the 20GB system, not $599. Comparing likfe for like, feature for feature the equivalently specified Xbox360 cost more that the PS3 plus the cost of XBL, the price difference was an illusion caused by MS selling a stripped down 360 SKU with nothing much in the box at a knock down price and claiming it was the equivalent to the cheaper of the two PS3 SKUs. It never was because you had to add wireless ethernet, an HDD and (if you wanted them) wireless controllers, to name just three things.

The whole price thing is one of the most incredible marketing tricks I've seen done. For what came in the box, feature for feature, cost for cost, the PS3 was cheaper than the 360 - even at launch.

Helghast, emulating the Cell architecture on any x86 design would be impractical at best and would be highly unlikely to perform sufficiently well in real time to run anything.

backwards compatibility for PS3 would require either that the PS4 use a similar architecture and include some elements of the Cell in the design, or use a hardware add-on that includes the CellBE and it's XDR memory.

Smokey,

The emulation of the PS2 for the games being sold is notable, but not exceptional. The games are very carefully screened and the emulation individually tuned. I do not think we will see any game that really pushed the performance envelope on the PS2 being sold via PSN to run on PS3. Nor do I think we we will see many games that strayed from the specific development guidelines for the PS2. Emulating the PS2s GPU is extremely difficult if the game designers used the hardware directly. There are things that the hardware can do, that the CellBE itself would be hard pressed to accomplish - mostly this revolves around the 1536 bit wide data bus that could be used to shunt incredible amounts of data around the GPU for processing.

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Helghast
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 3:24:47 PM

Thank you Highlander, that's what I thought.
BTW I just read my first post and saw all of the spelling and grammatical errors. Wish I could fix that. Sorry about the sloppy comment guys.

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PSTan
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:04:41 PM
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The PS4 is most likely going to overlap with the PS3's life cycle, much like the PS3 did with the PS2.

I'm looking forward to what each company brings to the table with the next generation of consoles. A revival of innovation and freshness is definitely needed.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:05:40 PM

FIFA 12 and Madden 12 were released on PS2.

12 years of support that machine had!!!
PS2 was a juggernaut that just would not die!

PS3 had better have that same amount of support. Chances are I'll be picking up a brand new PS3 shortly before picking up a PS4, especially if it isn't backwards compatible.

I have a feeling PSN downloaded PS3 games will eventually become compatible with the PS4, just not blu ray discs, like with PS2 classics on PSN now.

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PSTan
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 12:17:17 AM

The PS2 isn't dead yet. It's over when they discontinue it. But seriously, it's a front runner for best game console of all time in my opinion.

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Metal Head
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:15:48 PM
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Didn't the Wii launched a year later and it outsold PS3 and Xbox 360 by huge margins. Why in hell is the PS4 not capable of doing the same. I guess gamers don't care how powerful a console can be if developers can't handle it.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:17:32 PM

Because the Wii had several things going for it, even if it was a year later than 360...

1. Wii was the cheapest console of the 3.

2. Wii had the motion control gimmick and a killer app to show it off packed in with the console. (Wii Sports)

3. Wii was aimed at families and children, making it the console of choice for many non-gamers and parents.

360 did better at first because it had Halo 3, Xbox Live's service was better for the first few years, mutliplats often ran better on 360 for the first few years AND it was cheaper than the PS3 for a LONG while.

If Sony were to look at what made the PS2 so popular, it was the following, and they would be wise to incorporate these things into the PS4:

1. PS2 had DVD playback, a first for a console.

2. PS2 was the cheaper console at the time.

3. PS2 was released a year before the Xbox and Gamecube.

4. PS2 had more killer apps and kickass games than Xbox and Gamecube (GC had Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Luigi's Mansion, Sonic Adventure 2 and Starfox, but PS2 had God of War, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter and countless more popular titles)

5. PS2 was fully bakcwards compatible with PS1 games and peripherals, a first for the console again!

So if the PS4 is backwards compatible, comes out first (okay, second to Wii U), is cheaper than the Xbox 720, has a slightly bigger optical storage drive (quad layered blu-ray discs anyone?) AND has heaps of kickass games at launch and throughout it's entire life-cycle, I don't see how the PS4 could NOT dominate!!!

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Palpatations911
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 3:05:29 PM

Dance,

The PS2 was fantastic!

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trinichinese
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:18:49 PM
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for the ps4 to be a hit it needs some really next gen games and the ability for game makers to use the hard ware with no problems , first off hopefully a final fantacy 7 remake ,a metal gear solid remake and the ability to play a battlefield 3 with 64 players on console and being able to play my ps3 ,ps2 games that i own is a pluss

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shadowscorpio
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:48:27 PM

That would be a selling point I think. I'm not saying that they should stop with the PS2 remakes, don't get me wrong. It would just be nice to have all these options at our disposal.

A PS4 being able to play all previous Playstation console games,being ahead of the competition in HD capability, allowing you to purchase psone and ps2 classics that can't be found anymore via download (goes without saying) and Sony introducing the PS FOUR with an architechure that devs can get down with as well as a price tag that isn't intimidating to customers will definitely sell this machine.

Sorry for the run on sentences. :(

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Norrin Radd
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:52:12 PM
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I think the decision to not get beat to market was made years ago. I bet the PS4 has been in development since the PS3 was released (or shortly thereafter). After seeing how difficult it was to catch up to inferior products (and yes - I own all 3 current systems an that is my opinion) I think Sony vowed to never let that happen again - at least as far as MS is concerned. I think they could ramp up a PS4 launch in very short order if MS announces a launch. Sony will wait for MS to announce first and then launch VERY close in time. No big head starts this time for sure!

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karneli lll
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:50:49 PM

Saying you own more than one console is not a credibility statement,just saying...

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BikerSaint
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:05:30 AM

karneli lll,

Bullsh!t

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Highlander
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:20:47 PM

PS4 development did start very soon after the PS3 launched. But the work ramped up with more resources later. I think you are right about being beat to market, I think that Sony made a decision not to allow that again.

That said, I still believe that teh PS3 is currently powerful enough to go another 2-3 years because TVs will not be gaining resolution past 1080p, and for most people 1080p is just now beginning to make it's way past the living room. Hell, even broadcasters have yet to move 100% to HD presentation.

But that would take a huge leap of faith from Sony, and it would be better for them if MS went earlier rather than later so that the PS3 can maximize it's advantage. I'm not sure that is a strategy Sony will risk taking.

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zork
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 10:53:25 PM
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Play BF3 on the PC then tell me the PS3 is not tapped out...PS4 is much needed.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:25:37 PM

BF3 on a mid to high end PC is already better than the BF3 on the rumored PS4 spec.
So in a sense, the PS4 may be tapped out right from the starting gate.
There's something extremely odd about this move. I'm wondering if it has more to do with locking down the resale market more than anything. That, and making a dev environment that is far less painless for multiPLATFORM. I'd imagine a game can be produced for 3 platforms for a lot less than it has been this gen.


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Highlander
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 3:34:45 PM

Temjin,

What if PlayStation Orbis is is not actually the successor to the PS3. What if it is a complementary product in their PC line designed to be a low budget 'home PC' with PlayStation suite compatibility? Could it be that this really isn't truly a PlayStation?

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:22:38 PM
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Bit of a shame the PS4 couldn't just be a beefier PS3, the PS3 is still amazing even now!!

Throw a 500 GB HDD, the ATi Radeon 7670, 4x blu-ray disc drive and 4 GB of RAM into the PS3's current architecture, and hey presto!! A cheaper, ready to release and fully backwards compatible PS4 ready to go!!

Oh, and for the kids who like to play online, a faster ethernet port and faster PSN service. Great content, just the lag and out-of-sync audio for videos bugs me right now.

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Fane1024
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:20:41 AM

A single Cell just isn't powerful enough...unless Sony is only interested in WiiU down-ports. Processing power does still matter for physics and AI, at least.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:21:55 PM

A single PowerXCell8i would give nearly twice the floating point performance of the current Cell, but if you put two of them on a single chip, you have all the processing power you need.

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karneli lll
Wednesday, April 04, 2012 @ 11:56:36 PM
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What happened to Sony's idea of a console that is constantly updated to the point there's no need for an upgrade?

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Clamedeus
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 7:13:05 AM

I don't think Technology works like that.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:22:53 PM

Well, that's what we've had for 5 and a half years and it looks like we will for another 18 months or so to come. So, I'm gonna say that we already have it.

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___________
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 6:02:31 AM
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im really staring to think releasing later then sooner really wont be such a bad thing.
especially now with all the recent rumours of the wiiu being LESS powerful then even todays systems!
and the way M$ has been going the past few years of releasing nothing but crappy kinect games!
ps3 suffered allot because it released late and it was rushed, when it finally released it was still unfinished!
it was like opening a building that has 2 of its 20 floors built.
if they decide to release a little later then the competition, but this time come out of the gate running then the lateness wont be such a issue as it was before.
not to mention allot of people within the last 2 years just bought a ps3 because thats when they finally became affordable!
no one can afford blowing 4,5,6,7,8,9 hundred bucks on a new console especially after just blowing 3-4 hundred on one recently.
wait a little bit longer, not only will tech get better, customers get longer use out of their product and are more happy to upgrade, but hopefully the economy will be allot stronger and people will be able to afford a upgrade.
next year though no point might as well send a Ferrari PR manager to kindergarten.
no one theres going to be buying one for a long, long time!

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Crabba
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 7:37:37 AM
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Yeah, especially with these recent rumors to go by, Sony just wait until you can give us a GOOD improved console at a reasonable price, preferably based on an updated Cell, a new PROPER high-end GPU and 4-8gb RAM.

Afterall, these new consoles are supposed to last another 5-10 years right?? And not be outdated before they're even announced, sheesh!

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Highlander
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:26:37 PM

Indeed. Why put out a console on a low end CPU with integrated graphics and a mediocre GPU. Apart from anything else, does such a system even have significantly more computational power than the PS3? Why make your new console based on a low end PC architecture that will be low end and obsolete on the day of launch? That makes zero sense.

Even simply exchanging the CellBE for a PowerXCel8i and throwing a couple of GB of RAM into the existing design would produce a far more powerful system. The biggest single complaint from devs is memory. That's easily fixed.

Unless there is something *really* special and custom that is not being disclosed, these rumors make next to no sense for a potential PS4.

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Crabba
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 4:48:25 PM

'does such a system even have significantly more computational power than the PS3?'

I seriously doubt it, for example Naughty Dog, one of if not THE top Sony developer, besides having to start over from scratch with a new x86 based architecture, would hardly be able to do anything more with Uncharted 4, than what they already did with U3. Sadly if anything, U4 could actually end up looking WORSE than its predecessor, if nothing else since it would basically be a first effort on a whole new system, rather than an improved Cell-based engine from the PS3.

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slugga_status
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 9:31:32 AM
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Ben nailed this one. I'd much rather have a fully complete console then something rushed. The PS3 has a lot left in it. Yet something tells me Sony will be ready and when the time comes they'll hit us with top notch exclusives for the PS4

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telly
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 9:37:04 AM
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Definitey agree rushing is a bad idea, but as I posted on another article, the PS3 may be much closer to being tapped out 18 months from now. I'm sure the games will still look and play very well then, but the limits may be much more pronounced then, especially when stacked up next to Xbox 720 (all hypothetical, of course)

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JackDillinger89
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 9:57:51 AM
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I can tell u if the new xbox and ps4 cant play used games and their games will be more expensive than current gen then that Wii U is starting to look sweet. Both new xbox and ps4 will also be cash robbing dlc whores also. Judging how the way things are going its not far from the truth. These are still rumors so their still no telling what the deal is and we still dont know Wii U true power capabilities are.

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wackazoa
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 10:11:22 AM
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I agree Ben. Game that are put out now and in the next year would be hurt I think if they debut a new PS4 next year. For instance GTA and the Next of us. The online modes will suffer from less support as the developers start on the new PS4 titles.And what of fair Skyrim ? Tim Howard said they would put out "expansion" type DLC's, as in plural. But the way they are going it appears they may only put out one before they move on to the PS4. And gamers might feel burned by this.


Im totally against a new Playstation. Plus I wouldnt buy it cause 1. just bought a new PS3 after my last one of 5 years crapped out, and 2. I cant afford games right now, let alone a whole new system.

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DazeOfWar
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 11:30:16 AM
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I'm not in the right mindset for a new system yet. I just bought a Vita less than 2 months ago so I'm full for new gaming machines. Maybe in 2 years I might be ready. I also don't think new systems are going to sell well. Just look at the way things are selling now.

I know one thing though is that they will need to pack in a big HDD. I'd say a 1tb just to start. Specially with a lot more games becoming available for digital purchase.

For now I'm super happy with what I own now. I have plenty of games to play on the PS3 and Vita and many more that I haven't picked up yet.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 2:49:03 PM
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Instead of a PS4, why not come out with a PS3.5? The PS3 has lots of life and development left to be tapped. Why not revamp it so that it will still play PS3 (maybe PS2/PS1 BC as well) but give it enough graphical power to compete with whatever Microsoft has up it's sleave next. Then let the PS3 carry you for another 2-3 years and launch a behemoth PS4 that crushes the latest MS offering years before MS is even ready to compete. You'll have a jump on the next generation and can sit back while everyone else scrambles to keep up.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 3:37:33 PM

I would say that if you had a system with two of the upgraded Cell CPUs and a decent GPU, you would be able to emulate the PS2 fully in software. Emulating the PS2s GS would require most of the internal bandwidth of a CellBE CPU, but it could be done. If you had twin Cells, I think you could pull off emulating the PS2 fully in software.

But if the rumors are to be believed, we ain't headed that way.

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Crabba
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 4:52:01 PM

I'd actually much rather Sony release a PS3.5 than what is rumored now, which is more of a Xbox 420 than a PS4.

And seriously, would a Xbox 420 > PS3? And would Sony really sacrifice their number one advantage, their first party developers like Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica to make a system that's more Xbox-like??

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JackDillinger89
Thursday, April 05, 2012 @ 4:00:16 PM
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Thank for fix ben. The PS3 is doing just fine now and still has a few years left so releasing a new console now wouldn't be wise. Microsoft is in need of a new one and i fear will release the next one within 2 years. Forcing sony to release the ps4 sooner than needed.

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THEVERDIN
Friday, April 06, 2012 @ 12:15:48 AM
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I get the feeling if PS4 comes out we won't get the support for PS3 that we got for PS2

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big_macz99
Friday, April 06, 2012 @ 12:28:13 AM
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the ps4 better have backwards compatability for ps3 ps2 and ps1 or il flip a shit....and i wanna be able to convert my data frommy ps3 to ps4 so my games are saved...il be able to live if i still have to bust out my ps3 because god knows i love the day when i get to dust off my ps2 for a good go im still buyin games i havent tryed for ps2 ive never even touched the metal gear solid series! but whatever they choose todo i know il still be buyin the ps4 when i use up my ps3 but how long will that be till i grow tired of the ps3..? its still gotta lot of kick and i say if you let it live its life out then you can continue to work on that ps4 up there and then you can put out a real master piece and i think some hardcore gamers will be very impressed and game developers will know that the ps4 will be able to handle alot more just like the ps3 could and still can maybe they will finally take the time to use its full potential with the ps4..and if you wait developers will be able to work with ps3 a little more and show off what it can do and that will get people excited for the ps4 so i say no need to hurry take your time while i enjoy my ps3 a bit more

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Robochic
Sunday, April 08, 2012 @ 8:33:02 AM
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i really can't see another console being released sony has already said that the PS3 has more power to play with. I refuse to get worked up about this, E3 is around the corner we'll see then.

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