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Sony: Nixing Backwards Compatibility For PS4 A Tough Decision

Many gamers had hoped to see backwards compatibility return in the PlayStation 4. And while the new system doesn't include that feature, Sony admits it was a difficult decision.

Users will be able to play older PlayStation games via the new Gaikai streaming service, but they won't be able to put actual PS3 discs into the PS4. That won't work, unfortunately.

But Sony system architect Mark Cerny explained to Japanese publication AV Watch (as summarized in the NeoGAF forums) that their focus was on simplifying the development process. This was why they switched to the x86 architecture and decided to drop the Cell that is found in the PS3; the x86 is "well known and development is relatively easy," Cerny said. And that was a priority.

Sony's Masayasu Ito added that putting the Cell chip inside the PS4 would have led to manufacturing headaches. That being said, he says the company "thought long and hard" about ditching backwards compatibility and going with this new setup. Said Ito:

"Using this opportunity, we decided to stop going down this path, and, as Mark said, to focus our efforts on simplifying developer efforts."

Some consumers still won't be happy with the decision, especially after a very long generation. By now, gamers have accumulated quite a few PS3 games and with the PS4 unable to play any of them...well, that could be problematic for those thinking about making the next-gen leap later this year. Does it bother you?

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, ps4 backwards compatibility, ps4 bc

4/8/2013 11:37:21 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (47 posts)

duomaxwell007
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:52:22 AM
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Well i lost hope for backwards compatibilty when sony removed it from PS3 despite when ps2 came out said "all of our systems will always be backwards compatible with the others so youll never need more than one"

as for whether or not it bothers me.. no not at all.. just means Ill hav eto keep my ps3 and play my 20+ backlog of game son it... Just means when I get the PS at luanch i probably wont be touching it til teh end of 2014 because Ill be too busy trying to finish up my ps3 backlog lol

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LaasYaNir
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:21:31 PM

Then why get a PS4 at launch if you're not going to touch it "til the end of 2014"? Enjoy that PS3 backlog! Maybe by the time you're finished, there may be a few bucks shaved off the PS4 price.

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duomaxwell007
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 3:33:07 PM

i dont remember ps2 or 3 price dying in just a year as for why get it.. just to say I had one at launch lol.. since everyone gets on my case about how i get consoles then theyre already 4+ years old and practically on the way out the door (didnt get a ps3 til 2010 lol).. now Ill be able to tell em all to stfu lol

Also theres no guaranteeing that Ill still have a job and or the money to buy a PS4 in 2014 when Im ready to play it whereas I know Ill have the money in a few months come june when the price is (hopefully) announced and pre orders start). I like to buy things then and there when I have the money to do it as opposed to holding off and then possibly not being able to do it later (because i no longer have the cash) lol.

Just like Dark soul 2 may not come out til 2014 but Ive already got it pre ordered so when it does come out its already taken care of as opposed to if i wait til it cam rout then I might not have the money to or be able to buy it then

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Temjin001
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:59:00 AM
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I suppose we can look forward to another round of HD re-releases, like native 1080p 60fps re-releases.

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gumbi
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:18:32 PM

I'm not sure how likely this is. Maybe for 3rd party games. But first party PS3 games that were designed to squeeze performance out of the PS3's cell architecture probably won't translate very well to an x86 PS4. I don't know if the gains would be worth the effort.

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Temjin001
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:28:21 PM

nah, it could do it just fine. Not through emulation though. Games like GoW and Uncharted used the Cell extensively to aid in GPU tasks, something that could easily be done alone with the new PS4 gpu.

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H8WL3R
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 6:13:44 PM

I had thought about that too. I think I had mentioned in another topic though, that I'm not sure how big the step up from a PS3 HD game, especially one that is already remastered from the PS2, to the PS4 is going to be. Of course this is all speculation at this point, but I'm not sure if the leap from PS3 to PS4 is going to be as impressive compared to PS2 to PS3. I think it may be more mildly noticeable as opposed to obviously striking from visual and auditory departments.

Also I thought I read an article on here not very long ago, concerning Battlefield 4, not even likely supporting native full 1080p HD and 60fps simultaneously. So, reading/hearing some of these tech insights seem moderately disappointing to me personally, however I am still interested in the PS4 and had been a little impressed by some of the specs, the DS4 and especially the engine footage/game footage demoed at the (then) live Sony PS Conference.

I hope though that the bar is raised substantially enough, and was hoping along with many others, for a Full 1080p HD 60fps tour de force as standard. This would meet (what I perceive should be) general TV capabilities nowadays in TVs/Displays and should be standard (at least in mediums of BD movie and gaming), especially with Ultra HD preparing to launch (though I don't know anybody personally who could afford that anytime soon.)

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gumbi
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:00:10 PM
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Does it bother me now? Sure, I have tons of PS3 games to play still. If I get a PS4 at launch I'll be forced to have 2 Playstation's in my already crowded home theater stand.

Will it bother me a few years from now? Nope, not likely. I don't even care that PS3 can't play PS2 games anymore. Many of my fave's have been re-released in HD anyway. And if I really need to, I can pull out the ol PS2 slim and set it up. I'm sure the same will go for this generational transition.

I know it stinks, but I think Sony made the right call here. Dropping B/C makes PS4 easier and more affordable for everyone.

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bigrailer19
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:00:35 PM
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Simply keep the PS3 around and the problem is solved. Ill be honest, I sold my PS2 because I didnt think I needed it anymore when I got my launch 60gb PS3, and that was a huge mistake. Ill be keeping my PS3 this time around for sure, and the lack of backwards compatibility in the PS4 only confirms that Ill do just that.

I certainly can understand the frustration though, but theres more than one way to solve the issue as a consumer. I think Sony realized this, that consumers have options and Sony has provided them with at least one in Gaikai.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:31:53 PM

I agree, my PS3 is cherished and will sit beside my PS4.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:01:28 PM
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I have never seen the deal with backwards compatibility. When I make the move to the newest console, I want to play the newest games, not ones that I have already spent a ton of time in.

But, to each his/her own.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:31:11 PM

I think the problem with backwards compatibility not being present is that many gamers still have PS3 games that they haven't played during the current gen. They will want to be able to play all their backlog PS3 games with the new PS4 controller. I can guarantee you that I will have many PS3 games in my backlog that I want to play that I won't be able to get to before the PS4 arrives.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:14:54 PM

In response to that, why not just keep your PS3 too? As bigrailer stated above, it's simple.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:42:14 PM

True, that's what I will be doing. There are gamers that will want to trade in their PS3 for a PS4. When you get that new shiny PS4 a lot of gamers will want to use it exclusively. Maybe they don't want the clutter as well.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:28:36 PM
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It doesn't bother me at all. As long as I have my PS3 sitting beside my PS4 I am all good. However, I am so interested in the Playstation Cloud. I really cannot wait to learn more about the service. I am guessing it will be a service like PS+. Also, it would be cool if Sony would allow us to stream the PS3 game for free if you already owned the game and could put in the PS4 for identification. I highly doubt that this would be possible though.

One distressing rumor I have heard that I am praying is just a rumor the new PS4 profiles. I want my current PS3 profile, Platinum count and score to migrate to the PS4. Having to start over is a little sad to me.

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LazyVigilante
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:03:16 PM
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long n hard my ass....if they really cared enough to think "long n hard", they'd have found a way to incorporate it.

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Akuma07
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 9:41:06 PM

Decisions made during the development process are never easy ones, every developer wants to make the best product possible. Sometimes devs will spend years working on a component of a product, only to drop it just before release.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:05:38 PM
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Keep your Ps3.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 4:51:01 PM

..And PS2 if u don't own the backwards compatiable PS3's.

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Highlander
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:25:23 PM
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I'm still extremely disappointed by this move by Sony. Lots of people will say what Killa Tequilla says above "Keep your PS3". But as much as people hated the clutter of having a slim PS2 around when PS3 dropped backwards compatibility, the PS2 slim is/was tiny compared to the PS3 slim. It's just more clutter to have instead of a single system to do it all.

They may have thought long and hard about it, but the only difficulty in including it is the additional cost. The cost of manufacturing would not be a significant issue since the PS4 is a PC, a fast PCI interface and a daughter card with CellBE/RSX on it would have resolved that issue easily, without hurting the manufacturing. There would be no additional difficulty unless you were trying to put CellBE, RSX and the PS4 APU all on one system board. The cost issue would be a far greater hurdle than the difficulty. Of course the system would need a bigger power supply as well to give the Cell/RSX combination the juice it needs and the cooling solution would be more expensive as well. It all comes back to cost. Given the PC based design, there really is no reason they could not produce a more expensive SKU with expansion capability and a PS3 expansion card, it just would not be cheap.

All of that aside, I still regret the passing of backwards compatibility, however the question that still lingers in my mind is why not include at least PS1 compatibility through software emulation. PSP can do it, there are phones and probably even watches that can do it, so why not this new super computer in a console called the PS4? That makes no sense to me at all.

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matt99
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:35:10 PM

I'm not going to pretend to understand all the technical stuff but I get your point. I think Sony understands there will be people like yourself who are disappointed in their decision but I also think they know that for the majority of gamers b/c will be forgotten about pretty quickly and so while it wouldn't cost that much more to manufacture it wouldn't be worth including it.

On a side note, congratulations on becoming an official contributor. I've always thought your comments were basically articles on their own so it's nice to see them finally getting published as articles. I look forward to reading more!

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gumbi
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 3:00:05 PM

I like the idea of a PS3 expansion card. I recall you suggested a similar solution for PS2 b/c on the PS3 in the past. But, like you said, it all comes down to cost. Sony took a lot of heat over the costs of PS3 throughout most of it's life. They don't want to go through that again, even if some of us would be willing to pay for it...

Here's hoping for a PS2 Slim sized PS3 slim in the next couple years. Then I wouldn't mind keeping them both on the shelf ;)

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 4:55:25 PM

PS2 slim barely takes space up, I don't see a problem with it. No need to be extremely disappointed about backwards compatiability, just get up and unplug your system, plug another one in if to much clutter is bothering you.

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Highlander
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 12:13:44 PM

In a word, no.

I don't want to get up and plug/unplug systems to play games. That was the whole freaking point of having a PS3 - it played everything. Having to keep older consoles around to play older games is a pain and shouldn't be necessary, but telling people to get up and switch systems is just plain ignorant to me. Apart from the inconvenience factor, there is a great deal of wear and tear on the sockets and plugs involved and no one wants to increase the wear and tear on things like that.

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PHOENIXZERO
Thursday, April 11, 2013 @ 7:39:51 PM

Sony can't do much of anything with the RSX without NVIDIA and NVIDIA has little interest at this point, NVIDIA's being a pain in the ass is why the "Super Slim" PS3 is still so damn big and why it still costs as much as it does. Sony wanted to combine Cell and shrink the GPU to put them onto the same silicon to cut costs as MS has apparently done with the XB360S but NVIDIA isn't playing ball.

But yes, cost is a huge factor in giving the PS4 BC along with what it does to increase the size and power usage of the hardware.

And come on now, we all know the PS4 isn't even remotely close to being a super computer despite what whatshisname said. ;)

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matt99
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:26:24 PM
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I think b/c is only an issue at the beginning of a generation, as soon as the new system builds up a solid library people forget about b/c. And for those who will really miss PS3 games then just keep your PS3.

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Sir Dan
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 1:27:12 PM
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Big deal.. PS3 in HDMI1 and PS4 in HDMI2...

Also, I never got this whole thing about revisiting games.

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dmiitrie
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 2:06:33 PM
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I haven't touched my PS2 since I got my PS3 and the only PS1 games I've played since then were ones I had originally missed and downloaded as PS1 Classics. I'm not entirely sure if that trend will hold true for the next gen (I have such a bigger backlog now than I did for the last one) but since I'm trying to transition to all digital for my games and movies, I should have plenty on my shelves for a second console.

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PC_Max
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 2:58:27 PM
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Well, the backwards compatibility being dropped I would have thought was forseen. I would be interested thought to find out if Microsoft will continue or follows Sony's new path. MS might see it as a bonus to keep it, but I think at this stage attitudes have somewhat changed and more interested in the latest new thing.

For me, I have and still do some online games. I look at old games to learn why they were popular. Look at gameplay, etc. So the backwards thing is good for research. It was reason why I also was on Gametap many years back since they were attempting and I think they still do, bring back some of the older games. Good research material there..... at the time.

I have all my Playstations and as long as they do not die on me I will hold on to them. Unfortunately I wished I kept my boob tube for the PS1. :)

What I would like to see .. maybe is if Sony brings some of the PS3 games over as "classics" and they may give them to us for free for our librairies. Of if the continue the Plus membership do it that way.

Either way, I understand what they are doing. It makes sense. And as gamers, yep we invested a lot in our game and system purchases, but there is time when Sony has to think of themselve and a new direction to stay alive and continue to bring us great games. That is my hope anyway.

Keep Playing!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 3:08:59 PM
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I fear it was always fated so.

I bet Gaikai still won't be able to be accurate with Squall's gunblade due to streaming. :O

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Beamboom
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 4:01:18 PM
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To be honest I'm not so sure how long and hard they really thought about it, or if this is just a case of sweet-talking the fans.
If they really, really wanted to they could make a special version with backward compatibility, there's noone stopping them from that. It would not have "complicated the developer efforts" one bit - I don't understand that argument at all.

I think it is simple math, really. They estimate that they will earn more by sales of new games if not old games can be played on their new console. I think it is that simple.

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Highlander
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 4:30:51 PM

That's true for PS3 backwards compatibility, and perhaps even PS2 since we know it's difficult to accomplish in software. But I just don't get why they can't at least toss in PS1 emulation.

A hardware based expansion for Ps2 and/or PS3 compatibility should be easy with the architecture in place. Good lord if they're using USB3 ports, they could connect a CPU/GPU add on for either PS2 or PS3 backwards compatibility using that - it has high enough bandwidth to cope.

I'm sure that this is a decision of economics too, like you say, this really isn't about anything else but costs.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 5:09:06 PM
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I'm pretty sure if Sony stick in PS3 BC in the PS4, manufacturing costs will be over 600 to 1000 (US) I think, and that will piss people off, prices will be to high, and Sony can kiss goodbye of evening having a chance to dominate M$ in the next gen race.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 5:13:55 PM
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I think they could do more than they say, hackers already have non-ps2-B/C PS3s running PS2 disc games.

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Highlander
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 12:08:43 PM

They work the same way the PS2 classics released on PSN do, the emulation is heavily optimized for operations that can be handled. there are a lot of PS2 games that don't use the functionality on the GS that can't be emulated, they are good candidates for some form of emulation. Games that followed the PS2 development guidelines and only used the APIs instead of directly manipulating the GPU will work better in software emulation too because the API calls can be simulated and handled in emulation. Where a developer has worked to squeeze the last ounce of performance from the Ps2 by directly manipulating the GPU and using the hardware in general directly instead of through the APIs, the games will use elements of the PS2's GPU that can't be emulated, and the game will not work. Unlike Sony, hackers don't have to worry about supporting their library, or supporting the actual emulator in a meaningful way. People don't expect hackers to offer that kind of support any way. But if Sony put out a PS2 emulation that ran 35% of all PS2 titles, there would be a deafening chorus of criticism aimed at them for not supporting the other 65%. You know that, and I know that, so it's not entirely fair to throw up the efforts of some hackers to run a minority of easily emulated titles, is it?

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wambo
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 8:20:52 PM
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It does'nt bother me in the slightest, i'll still be using my ps3 for a long time to come, i'm not being negative here its just my opinion but i can't see myself getting a ps4 at launch coz feel theres still alot of life left in the ps3 an it does everything i want it to do.

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VampDeLeon
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 12:40:48 AM
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It did bother me, since this made all those HD collections useless and this wouldn't affect those who started out during this current-gen. But.. I did remember the changes in the Dualshock 4 controller which would make translating the older games and interacting with the PS4 more difficult.. and the whole managinng an affordable price issue.. meh, it's just a whatever for me now.. I am clearly in the minority of those who still regularly plays through PS1, 2, and 3 games.

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___________
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 5:33:11 AM
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really dont care as long as the gaikai service offers every game out there, and works flawlessly!
so in other words i do care, because it wont.
forget the whole latency and restrictions ISPs imply, but just speaking from a back catalogue perspective even that is going to be allot of paper writing and ribbon cutting.
wish $ony would offer different SKUs, offer a "premium" bundle which adds the ability to play ps1,2,3, psp games on the unit itself internally.

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Highlander
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 12:10:57 PM

Premium SKU FTW!

I actually don't understand why a premium PlayStation SKU that is more or less literally an ultimate PlayStation - runs all PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games - would not work out for them. put it in a bigger box with a bigger fan and PSN and charge up another $200 for the thing. Throw in a UMD drive and PSP emulation and let it play every PSP title as well, and you can't go wrong.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 1:33:50 PM

I'd pay for the Premium without a seconds doubt.

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___________
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 @ 10:09:17 AM

i guess there concerned it would hurt ps4 sales, which is just stupid!
yea, i spent 5,6,7,8,9 hundred bucks on the ps4 so i can buy ps1,2,3,PSP games, instead of ps4 games.
launch systems always have a low number of launch titles, and fewer AAA must have titles.
so having a back catalogue would be a great thing.

one thing i hope $ony does from get go next gen is variety of colors.
why do we always have to wait years for other colors to be released?
blue, white, red, silver ps3s released what 1 year ago?
why so late?
$ony REALLY needs to get into this custom console theme that M$ is so prominent of.
id kill to have a custom made ps4 specially made for GOW4 with some really cool artwork on the console, controller, and a exclusive special made box.
dont think $ony realizes how many people just go buy a new system just for this reason.
hell im a sucker for this, i bought a new blue slim just because it looks so sexy even though my black super slim is fine!
would do the same in a heart beat if they did a special design for the last of us!

another thing $ony really needs to do is setup some sort of rewards program!
have the first x number of people register their PSN ID on the ps4 into a special "club", and they get exclusive rewards no one else gets.
like what ninty did with the wiiu.
offer these people 10% of every game they buy back in PSN credit.
great incentive for people to buy more games if there getting money for it.
early access to betas, access to exclusive to events, start offering people things for jumping on the launch day bandwagon.
new systems face 101 problems convincing people to buy them, so the more incentives people have the better!

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RICHIECOQUI
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 8:52:03 PM
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You know whats funny the ps3 can play ps1 games!

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ricksterj
Thursday, April 11, 2013 @ 11:22:31 AM
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With Backwards Compatibility gone from PS4 it makes NO difference HOW long you hold off of getting one now does it? Getting the bugs out notwithstanding; though it DOES make holding out for a price drop even MORE tempting.

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clue
Thursday, April 11, 2013 @ 4:17:01 PM
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funny how they never say the real reason for not offering backwards compatibility, being, "were not offering backwards compatibility so we can later reissue the ps3 games on the sony network and make more money off them."

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Ather
Thursday, April 11, 2013 @ 4:34:21 PM
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Looks like I'm skipping the next gen. And if XBOX remains online always, I'll be XBOX never again.

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PHOENIXZERO
Thursday, April 11, 2013 @ 7:42:31 PM
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Meh, by the time I get a PS4 I'll be done with all my backlogged PS3 games. I'm good for a couple years I think. Really see no reason to jump on board at launch or even in the first six months. Even if the PS4 offered BC I still wouldn't jump.

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riptide8
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 2:11:32 PM
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Way too much of a backlog, wont be buying it anytime soon, still gonna buy last of us. I have quite a few RPG's that take tons of time also. Guess Ill wait.And a big thumbs up for dark souls 2

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