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Bloodborne And The Order: Fates Sealed Before Launch?

Hindsight is always 20/20 but I could've predicted the review scores for both titles long before release.

If you understand the current trends in the industry, and if you see what most critics are rewarding these days (and what they're senselessly slamming), it was obvious, wasn't it? On top of which, one game came into its launch with all sorts of positive vibes, while the other seemed almost doomed before it ever became available. None of this should matter when it comes to professional reviews but of course, we all know the truth. Word-of-mouth always seems to have an impact.

Bloodborne is a better game. I'm not saying it isn't. I am saying some critics glossed over the obvious flaws, and I have the sneaking suspicion that it was simply because the game was more to their taste. I also know that critics completely dropped the ball with The Order: 1886; it got bashed for being too short, too easy, and too linear. None of these things have a direct impact on a game's quality (at best, it affects value). Even so, I knew it would happen well ahead of time.

Now, something is wrong with this, right? I shouldn't be able to guess review scores this accurately, without ever having seen either game. I told a friend last October that Bloodborne's overall Metascore would flirt with 9, if not topping it, and The Order: 1886 would be lucky to top 7. Most likely it would languish in the mid-to-high 6s due to the deeply entrenched biases this industry can't seem to avoid. Plus, both titles acquired a reputation before they ever released and I knew that wouldn't help, either.

I mean, just sayin'.

Related Game(s): Bloodborne, The Order: 1886

Tags: bloodborne, bloodborne reviews, the order 1886, the order reviews

4/6/2015 9:43:10 PM Ben Dutka

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Oxvial
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:08:47 PM
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Wolf bosses of The Order were embarrassing, funny how Bloodborne has much more better Werewolves boss fights than that game.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:12:11 PM

really? I had a lot of fun with those. "Slash, cut, grrrrr, Get off b*tch! Woop! Missed me, BAAAAM sucka!." Never seen the like in a TPS before.

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Oxvial
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:34:48 PM

I thought Angry Joe was being ridiculous like he always is when he did that silly intro mocking the order boss fights, that time he was(unfortunately) accurate.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:10:28 PM
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The hatchet job done on The Order pre release also called for all of its good things to be overlooked. "It has fantastic graphics, audio, and responsiveness buuuuut...." as if the visuals, audio, and gameplay didn't matter.

Yes the gameplay was familiar, but it also controlled among the best TPS of all time. Then the story, which I found to be better told and much more intricate than The Last of Us, was ignored. Fate Sealed before release? Yes, totally. Someone needed it to die and they succeeded. The sad thing is it could be so amazing with the full story told but now there will be no sequels.

Bloodborne seems to be what it HAD to be, a hardline game for hardliners, but again not the savior 1st party game for PS4. A game like Bloodborne can't be a savior, but people expected The Order to do that job so they looked at it the wrong way.

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cLoudou
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:32:43 PM
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Yeah both could've been predicted although I was hoping the Order to be higher rated around 9s.

The Order was good not great, but going by today's standards of what a video game should be, made it out to be worse than it really was. People didn't like the cut scenes or the sheer volume of them but I liked them.

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Temjin001
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:34:28 PM
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I don't know nothing bout nothing but I do know Bloodborne earned its metacritic score. Whereas I think Order deserved better than it received, even with its problems.

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Squirreleatsman
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:38:04 PM
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I strongly agree that Bloodborne is a better game however The Order 1886 is a better experience. Notice I said game for Bloodborne and experience for the Order 1886. They aren't only games anymore, at least not all of them, they're experiences, interactive media. That is exactly what the Order 1886 is, same with the Last of Us, and Uncharted series they deliver experiences much like a roller coaster or movie. However they involve the player which gives more weight to the story.
Ben I'm glad to see that this subject still bothers you. I saw the reviews for the Order 1886 and felt extremely confused and frustrated by them because my experience with the "game" was fantastic, I enjoyed the gameplay and mechanics, the story and characters were fantastic, the pacing minus the last couple chapters was by far the best I've experienced in a video game, and of course the graphics and art direction were beyond comparison.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the sequel comes out and every critic reviews it as a 9 or 10, just like the Uncharted series. Uncharted 1 was a great game, yet everyone acted disappointed, then 2 comes out which in my opinion didn't have the same level pacing, story, or gameplay of the first, yet suddenly everyones on board. Then 3 comes out and also is fantastic but the haters come back.
The Order 1886 was a 9 simples as that, doesn't mean everyone has to like it but from a critical stand point that is the lowest score it deserves.

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Lone Wanderer
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:41:27 PM
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Both are great games by their own merits.Nothing about this needed to be so hard to understand.

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karneli lll
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 10:59:17 PM
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The Order was doomed from the first gameplay unveiling whereas Bloodborne salsa'd the hell out of the dancefloor all the way till release.

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FAREEZ
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 4:15:39 AM

Bloodborne dancing on the top of The Order corpse right now...

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shaytoon
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 11:20:52 PM
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the order had boss fights? the game was okay, really not bad as everyone made it to be. and it has amazing graphics.

bloodborne is a diff monster, thats just a beast that needs to be gently petted.

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Squirreleatsman
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 11:34:46 PM

You don't gently pet Bloodborne, you distract it, quietly sneak behind it, crush it with a hammer and light it on fire with a moltov....

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FAREEZ
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 11:52:06 PM

Dog shit QTE boss fight, it's so damn intense...

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Oxvial
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 1:32:39 AM

Yes and they even re-used the same QTE!, talking about no having shame.



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FAREEZ
Monday, April 06, 2015 @ 11:43:02 PM
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Bloodborne gameplay is so damn great, although I died a lot I'm still can't put it down.

The order is just meh, I played it and wish i didn't waste my precious money and time for this crap...

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Oxvial
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 1:41:38 AM

The Order it's okay if you play the YouTube version.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 12:44:35 AM
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Where's Bio? He loves talking about the Order.

XD

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Bio
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 3:19:09 AM

I'm so glad we're still talking about The Order's metascore.

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DocPain
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 1:25:42 AM
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The Order 1886 is a game for mature adult gamers that don't have ADD

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Shauneepeak
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 11:08:18 AM

Isn't a sub 10hr game with an easy to follow story, quick time events, and easy to understand mechanics perfectly designed for our ADHD culture?

Where as a vast 30+hr RPG, with punishing bosses and enemies, no handholding, and very cryptic story the total bane of someone with ADHD?

As Oxvial mentioned I just watched the Order online and felt I got everything out of it and had no reason to purchase it. The order was essentially an interactive movie.

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PS3_Wizard
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 1:21:53 PM

Well said, Shauneepeak. Couldn't have said it better myself. The only difference is I've played The Order...all the way to the end. Would have liked it a bit more if I paid atleast $20 less. All the defense for that "tech demo" is crazy.

This is one of those few times that I wish this site was more akin to IGN or other bigger sites that review all current hardware. I'm curious as to what Ben would have rated Ryse were it multiplat or he had a XB1.

Ryse is the Xbox version of the Order...great graphics with much of the typical things we expect from a game...nothing "next gen" besides said graphics.

The Order was an O.K. game. I'm still waiting on an actual captivating single-player experience like TLOU, Uncharted or GOW. I'd even take a Heavy Rain 2...a game actually MARKETED to be a story-telling first type of game. Everything pre-release of the Order showed lots of gameplay and put emphasis on the lycan fights (which actually was in short supply) and I thought it was going to be a deeper Gears of War type game, with a better story and tighter gameplay.

And also...why hasn't anyone spoken on the fact that RAD straight lied to us and said something along the lines of "there aren't an abundance of QTE's"...Ben even quoted it in one of his MANY pre release defense articles.

I wouldn't say it was an extreme use of QTE's, but there was definitely more than average IMHO.




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Gordo
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 2:20:41 AM
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Funny... Loved Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls, Uncharted, The Last of Us. Don't mind linear or "filmic", usually love them.

Half way through The Order 1886 and unfortunately can really see where all the negative criticisms came from. The graphics are amazing and I am enjoying the story but the biggest problems in my opinion are (fresh as I played it last night):

Walking - you go sooooo slowly...

Examining objects - really no need to do this, just filler.

Lupins - the first boss fight, in the dark warehouse. The werewolves just cycle back and forward and you just need to mash X to jump out of the way and then hope you randomly hit them with a few shots. Ridiculous. The second one is better mind you but it is mostly quicktimes.

Shotgunners. Ok, if you are going to have a narrative experience. Don't throw in rock hard random shotgunners who run straight towards you and kill you in two shots. For a game like this to make me want to quit and trade the game in instantly is quite an achievement. I honestly cannot believe how these shotgunners got past QA testing.

I can see a lot of promise. It looks beautiful, the story is great and some of the shooting is nice (I loved the explosive gun that ignited enemies).

If they tidied up the loose ends then it can really take off for Sony.

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Gordo
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 4:30:55 AM

Lupins oops Lycans...

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Oxvial
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 8:00:22 AM

''Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls, Uncharted, The Last of Us.''

I have all of those games and love them, but never got into the sick bandwagon hype some people jumped on that game so this time I waited for the reviews, I'm glad I did.

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Kevin555
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 3:31:49 AM
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The Order is a disappointing showpiece tech demo imo, Bloodborne on the other hand is a gaming masterpiece deserving of all of it's success simply because you play it more than you watch it and it looks simply amazing.

Bloodborne has visual quality and gameplay depth while The Order just has visual quality forgetting the more important gameplay part in which there is very little of imo. That's great if you like watching movies but sucks if you actually like picking up a game pad and being part of the experience instead of just spectating or having your hand held through all the forced, button prompt pressing bs.

Before these two games were even released you could clearly see out of the two devs which one was more confident in their own product. The Order showed hardly anything new or exciting except the same Lycan encounter (all of which ended up being samey QTE battles anyway, so there's your reasoning) and the same airship gameplay (which makes sense considering how short the game is). Bloodborne hardly hid a thing and bombarded everyone with beta tests, new bosses, new weapons, settings etc because they already knew they were onto a winner.


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FAREEZ
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 9:36:32 AM

From software create bloodborne so the gamer can have good time playing it, but RAD create The Order so the gamer can watch it rather than play it...

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johnld
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 4:39:50 AM
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comparing the two games are really pointless. one is a new ip, the other is a game pretty much for the established fanbase. if you didnt get they type of game the order is, you just lost part of the experience. its more in the same type as heavy rain. cutscenes are a problem? give me a damn break. doesnt do anything new? does everything that comes out have to have anything new? alot of people buy games like madden or cod every year so clearly that doesnt matter. i prefer the order to the storyless pile that destiny is. i played it and was immediately disappointed as the credits rolled. thought multiplayer would save it but no, grinding for random rewards on strikes and pvp is just retarded. game is too short? dragons age inquisition boasts a sh!t ton of hours but i dont have any urge to go back and finish it. why? i got bored as hell. locations werent interesting to me. countless annoying fetch quests to pad the hours is annoying too. lots of reasons this game has hours of gameplay pretty much because the game just flat out stops you from progressing. the stupid war table and needing to level up to move forward. this is coming from someone who loved final fantasy games from 7-12. i have no problem with playing those.

if you played the game and didnt like it, it wasnt your type of game. just leave it as that. i can respect that. you dont need to sh!t on it every opportunity you get. value for a game is subjective. let others decide for themselves. if you only watched someone play it, just shut the hell up. your opinion on the matter isnt worth crap. watching someone play a game is completely different from playing it first hand. if you dont understand that, i dont know what else to tell you since you dont understand simple logic.

as for me, its plain and simple. i buy a game because i want to play it. length, reviews, cutscenes, replayability, cost, or whatever doesnt even play a factor in deciding on buying a game. i recently bought hardline, driveclub, knack, shadow of mordor, and the order all because i wanted to play them. ived enjoyed/enjoying playing each and every one of those games. as of now, im just waiting for bloodborne to go on sale. its not my type of game but i still want to play it. i can wait for it to get lower even though everyone praises the game. i have limited funds so if its not something i really want to play, i wont rush.

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Deadman
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 10:10:00 AM

It's really unfair to "Heavy Rain" to even compare it to "The Order".

In "Heavy Rain" right, there were cut scenes and QTE's, but when the game let you play, you could explore the world and make decisions. Decisions that had a dramatic impact on the characters. There was risk associated with failure. If a character died in HR they died and the game went on. Failure does not exist in "The Order" neither does risk for that matter.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 5:17:37 AM
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It's not *that* hard to estimate in what ballpark the metascore of a game will end up in if you've been around for a while. It is pretty predictable.
Not sure if that is a good or bad thing though.

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frostface
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 9:01:59 AM
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You try to call in question the integrity of gaming journalism but ironically you're bringing into question your integrity as a reviewer by not accepting that your review of The Order is just an opinion, no different than other reviewers opinion pieces/reviews, and that not everyone shares your opinion.

There is no conspiracy, absolutely not. Reviewers wrote what they felt was an accurate description of the game, you wrote yours, you and the rest of the gaming community (outside of PSXE) didn't agree, you call conspiracy. You call it like your opinion is the only accurate one. Your arrogance is overwhelming.

Bloodborne unmistakably garnered the better reviews because it's an elite game for all the right reasons i.e. it was a game that people get to play instead of just watch play out. Pretty pictures but bland everything else does not sound like an elite game in my opinion for what it's worth. But I welcome everyone to disagree with me because it's just my opinion.

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ViolentSmiley
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 9:18:37 AM

"Someone has rated your note as fine!"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 11:26:51 AM

This isn't about me, although you always want to make it about me. Talk about being predictable.

Reviews are not all opinion. I don't care if people like a game; I've never cared what people like or dislike. I care if they're lowering a score that's supposed to be based on quality by concluding that length, difficulty, and linearity have any bearing on product quality whatsoever. That's wrong.

Do you have any concept of that term? "Wrong?" Or is the entire world just built around opinion in your world? Can I say the sun is hot or is that just my "opinion?"

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FAREEZ
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 11:29:43 AM

Everything is conspiracy when it comes to The Order review score...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 6:23:24 PM

And I've never used the word "conspiracy" once. It's not a conspiracy and I never once said it was.

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Shams
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 9:11:57 AM
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I really enjoyed the Order, and wished I purchased it rather than giving in to the reviews and just renting it. I'm also digging my time with Bloodbourne. I guess what it unfairly comes down to is the 5%. A game can have 110% of everything else, but suffer critically if it's missing that 5%. And a game can turn up short everywhere else, but if it's got that last touch in there, it will be a hit. Bloodbourne lacks story and characters for an rpg, precise controls and camera for an action game, and isn't really representative of anything next gen tech-wise, but it keeps the gamer glued to every moment of gameplay even it is often mundane or menial. The Order controlled almost like a dream, looked even better than I could have dreamed, and kept me interested in the story at least toward the end as well as any movie could have. If it had some light rpg elements, or multiplayer, I'm sure the critics would've been gushing over it, and it would've been pulling in awards at least for its visuals. That didn't stop me from really enjoying it, but it's a pity the clear talent behind it has to suffer to such an extent that the makers have to defend themselves publicly after pouring their life into it. But, it is a good lesson for Sony studios. Make sure your games have that 5%, even if they have to tack the damn thing on it at the end. It is a pity, and unfair that they don't get the credit they deserve, but they can fix that outcome.

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jimmyhandsome
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 9:22:57 AM
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Maybe it means the media has been providing really good previews?

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Deadman
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 9:32:34 AM
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No, dude it isn't because everyone's bias came into play. There are reasons why one game fades off into mediocrity, and why the other will live as the greatest title of it's era.

The meta scores are right on point.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 9:46:44 AM

BB will not be the greatest title of this era or ill hang up my controller.

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Deadman
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 10:22:13 AM

Maybe not the greatest, definitely one of the greatest.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 5:08:16 PM

Right now Bloodborne is Sony's third highest rated exclusive for this and last gen. Rating lower only to TLoU and Uncharted 2.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 5:23:25 PM

I suppose MGS4 should be included even if it wasn't published by Sony. This makes Bloodborne 4th.

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TGSA
Tuesday, April 07, 2015 @ 2:38:36 PM
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Ben, the link for The Order is incorrect. It links to Bloodborne.

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Rachet_JC_FTW
Wednesday, April 08, 2015 @ 7:42:58 AM
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yeah i think thats a fair call ben you probably call the scores before they came out but i still think the order scores were still a bit harse i thought 7's and bloodbourne 9's but yeah you are right mostly here

happy gaming

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Underdog15
Wednesday, April 08, 2015 @ 11:01:36 AM
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Because of that line you included about quality vs. value, I get where you're coming from.

Unfortunately, it seems most people aren't even disagreeing with you. It seems like they just didn't realize what your point was.

Bloodborne is definitely a better game than The Order. Based on your review scores, I'm guessing you think so too. This was a painful thread to read. So much misunderstanding...

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Bio
Wednesday, April 08, 2015 @ 12:37:46 PM

Nobody misunderstood anything.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, April 08, 2015 @ 2:48:39 PM

Both sides repeatedly misinterpret what the other side is saying this whole thread.

The fact that people are saying anyone else thinks Bloodborne isn't as good as The Order is proof of that.

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