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There's Simply No Denying It Now: Sony Owned This E3

I mean, it wasn't even close, was it?

People can blather all they want about how E3 isn't a competition when in fact, that's exactly what it is from a marketing standpoint. This "I say nobody wins because I'm all grown up!" sentiment is just dumb.

Oh, someone wins all right. Every year, one company tends to separate itself from the crowd and shine particularly brightly during E3. There are some years when it's too close to call, and others where it's just plain boring. But this year, there's really no doubt about it:

Sony beat the sh** out of the competition.

Hey, I'm all for Rise of the Tomb Raider and games like that. And Sony still needs to consider a price drop for the holiday season because there still aren't any huge AAA exclusives scheduled for the end of 2015. That remains a problem. However, speaking of exclusives, I'm pretty sure Sony blew everyone away with their PlayStation 4 games.

Guerrilla's new IP, Horizon: Zero Dawn, looks absolutely stunning and it's a huge coup for PlayStation. This isn't another Killzone; it's an exclusive new IP that could be head-and-shoulders above anything else available when it arrives. And you knew Media Molecule was working on something amazing (because they always are) and again, it's a new IP (no LittleBigPlanet).

Yes, that astounding Final Fantasy VII Remake is only a timed exclusive but then again, so is Rise of the Tomb Raider. And guess which one is about seven gajillion times bigger? Then there's the Shenmue III announcement, which subsequently crashed Kickstarter. Hell, this and FFVII alone basically means Sony wins hands-down. But even beyond that, there's the awesome Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, the DLC exclusive reversal in favor of PlayStation for Call of Duty: Black Ops III, and more PS4-exclusive content for Assassin's Creed Syndicate. Oh, and what's that I hear? The Last Guardian?

We didn't even see Gran Turismo 7, which we know is coming, and the new God of War, which we all assume is coming. Quantic Dream is still plugging away, too. I think that anybody who watched E3 had to conclude that PS4 is the system to own in the future, which is precisely what Sony - and all other manufacturers - try to do at every trade show.

Damn good job, PlayStation.

Tags: sony, e3 2015, playstation e3 presentation, gaming industry

6/17/2015 9:37:35 PM Ben Dutka

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Breadlover
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 @ 10:55:39 PM
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I couldn't agree more!

Although, kudos to the Xbox team for bringing in a slightly sought out feature which is backwards compatibility ... which doesn't really mean anything if you already own a 360, ROFL.

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Breadlover
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 @ 11:07:16 PM

which... (probably) is true for more than 75% of the previous gaming population...


so, not so much of a sought out feature, I guess... >_>

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Oxvial
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 @ 11:36:56 PM

And one of the ugliest type of backwards compatibility ever, even if you have the disc you have to download the game on your XboxOne (if it qualifies in a limited list) and put the disc every time you want to play it, still it's good to have the option, but MS fans (like AngryJoe) hyped that like if made MS conference the best and a big blow to Sony lol

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 @ 11:55:54 PM

Not sure why you're trying to bash a feature us Playstation fans would gladly accept if it was offered. Sure you have to download the game but it's better than what the PS4 offers which is ZERO backwards compatibility.

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Oxvial
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 12:00:33 AM

Alien bro I already said it's good to have it, just that it's not a deal breaker like some people hyped, imo if Sony did the same thing I would still keep my PS3 (like I'm doing) also that backwards looks like it doesn't include the dlc's, but Ms probably gonna fix that in the future or just forgot to do mention of it.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 12:55:09 AM

Alien bro... hahaha.

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Draguss
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 1:16:03 AM

"Alien bro"... all this time, I thought LV's avatar was some kind of helmet.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 1:23:19 AM

You're bashing it, that's very clear. If the roles were reversed and it was Sony I wouldn't doubt you would be using it as an example for why Sony won E3. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

No need for the "Alien bro", I've earned a certain level of respect around here.

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Oxvial
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:41:25 AM

Dude we have been interacting with each other here for a long time, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful with you xD, but well sorry if you feel like that.

But you are wrong if I was that kind of extreme fan like you imply I wouldn't be bashing The Order (A PS4 exclusive) in this place, something that happened a lot.

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Shauneepeak
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 3:46:22 AM

I mean there is some benefit and the downloading and still needing the disk makes sense for a big reason prevents people from buying a game then selling it right back after.
I figured Sony would do this but with streaming instead of downloading so really annoyed when PlayStation Now had only payed options.

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Oxvial
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 5:45:05 AM

PlayStation Now as been a total disappointment.

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coldbore
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 @ 11:05:13 PM
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Sony did an absolutely great job, however, i think bethesda owned this years E3. it's really close though. also, props to microsoft on backwards compatibility, i will give them that.

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Hexen
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 @ 11:58:03 PM
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Yeah I agree Sony won it,especially with Horizon but everyone else did surprisingly bad.Microsoft didn't really show any new (important) games and while Nintendo did announce a new Star Fox they also showed 273 games with Mario.It was a great E3 overall.

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FAREEZ
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 12:11:45 AM
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Yeah no doubt about it, they steal the show with fresh new IP Horizon and make people go crazy with FF7 remake announcement.

Bethesda also did a great job with Fallout 4 and Doom. Can't wait for Fallout 4 this November tho...

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Draguss
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 1:17:53 AM
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I'd say it was a tie with Bethesda, unless you aren't including non-console conferences. Sony's had the most OMG HOLY SHIT factor, but Bethesda gave more details for something awesome to actually be excited about soon.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 1:25:13 AM
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Another E3, another E3 without Agent and Resident Evil Vita.

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Simcoe
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 4:09:27 PM

I too thought Agent would be the big reveal, but they had The Last Guardian instead. Oh well, there's still Gamescom...or next year.

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PSTan
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 1:44:17 AM
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Microsoft won the hardware battle (backwards compatibility, new controllers, hololens demo for innovation), but Sony won the software battle (self-explanatory) in my opinion.

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frylock25
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 1:46:22 AM
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They cancelled the batman arkham knight bat mobile edition!

Quality issues I guess...

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Kevin555
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:05:32 AM
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It was a very impressive showing, one of the best E3 in years. Before this years E3 i was criticizing the event for it's previous disappointing showings and didn't think this year would be any different. I was obviously very wrong and i am happily eating some crow as i type this. ;)

Everyone is talking about the FF7 remake and rightly so, this is a very big deal and the amount of reaction videos showing grown men crying over it's announcement gives you an idea just how big of a deal it is. I've never been a fan of RPG's myself so personally FF7 remake does nothing for me but i am glad those that wished for it to happen have finally had their prayers answered.

The biggest surprise for me though was Shenmue III. This announcement alone sealed the result for me. I thought this series was dead set buried, i was wrong and i couldn't be happier.

Shenmue III, FF7 remake and The Last Guardian in one showing? That isn't just a victory, that is a slaughter. Let's not forget the trailers to MGSV and Uncharted 4 either, they were incredible but buried under the FF7 and Shenmue III news. I will also throw in SFV character reveals too because I am a fan of the series and loving the art style they're bringing to SFV, looks ace.

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JJJames
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 3:40:03 AM
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I'm so glad I grew up with the PlayStation brand!

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 4:17:00 AM
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Yes, it really did. I mean there was no competition really. Microsoft's main cards were Rise of the Tomb Raider - Which was very decent yes. Then Cuphead - An indie game which really breaks the boundaries of animation, it look beautiful.

But Final Fantasy VII REMAKE... blimey... Even seeing the lifestream, I still didn't feel it, I thought it would be the PC port... then a it went on "Hmmm, new CGI... is it a movie?" I was in denial until I saw REMAKE... then I simply gasped. Nothing prior came even close to that then...

SHENMUE !!! Simply unbelievable! The swansong of the Dreamcast finally emerging from it's casket. 14 years of hopelessness washed away within an instant! I've already backed this up on kickstarter and if they offer a Physical PS4 version i'll offer even more!

Them to announcements alone equal to a flawless victory but with Horizon: Zero Dawn & The Last Guardian too... Just simply an overload. This E3 all my gaming dreams have come true. I genuinely couldn't ask for more with the addition of The Phantom Pain, Fallout 4 & NieR 2.

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 4:26:10 AM
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The rest of the gaming media seem to agree with you too, Ben.

But I agree with draguss and coldbore further up. Bethesda totally kickstarted the E3 with not only a lot of info but so much *wanted* info.

In my book there's two winners this E3: Bethesda and Sony.


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dillonthebunny
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 6:31:24 AM
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I'm not sure Sony did win E3, there wasn't anything too ground breaking, if anything they could be accused of resting on their next gen sales.

I'm not an Xbox player, never owned one though have played a few. There been times in the past where I have been more than unfair towards Microsoft and the way they entered the market, especially with the launch of the xbone.

But imo backward compatibility is a system seller. Everyone I know that has an xbone still play their 360s way more, in some cases the xbone is laid to rest while they get some better games (my friends words not mine) ... Yet everyone I know who has a ps4 has pretty much ditched the ps3.

I believe this echoes throughout the world, and Microsoft knows that to push forward ahead of Sony in sales they have to pull something out of the bag, and this is it. If people out there think this isn't a big deal then I personally think they are gravely mistaken.

I'm not sure at what point Sony are with the whole backward titles on the cloud that they announced, I know here in the UK there's been no talk of it, but I'm sure with MS pushing this that Sony will hopefully react.

Thing is that I own thousands of purchases on the ps3s psn, so many full titles... If Sony thinks that they can charge me for buying these games again for use over the cloud then they are wrong because I won't. MS im afraid have done the right thing, I can't see how people even begin to think that this is a minor subject because in my eyes it's a huge announcement that will have Sony rethinking their strategy.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 10:28:48 AM

PS Now has been up and running for a while now.

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dillonthebunny
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 11:05:40 AM

In the UK?

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:00:42 PM

No idea. I have no interest in it, personally. Any games I already own, I'll just play on PS3.

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dillonthebunny
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 6:36:22 AM
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I also think that everyone who wants FFIIV and Shenmue 3 have been saying this for so many years that it's just instinct to be over excited about those two, I'm not sure they will stand the test of time unless they are heavily reworked, don't get me wrong.. I'm one of those who really do want these two games but I'm an old gamer, been here since the birth of video games and imo it's just pure rose tinted dreams of a long lost love.

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Bio
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 9:12:18 AM

E3 is just a presidential/prime minister campaign for games; it doesn't matter what you end up doing, only what you say you're going to do. In that regard, Sony did quite well.

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TrueAssassin86x
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 6:56:28 AM
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Nope bethesda owned this years E3 not sony
1. Bethesda
2. Sony
3. MS
Then the rest with EA and Ubisoft being last and next to last

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frostface
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 8:52:07 AM
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Sony did not win E3. What did they announce that isn't either coming to other consoles or coming out next year. No release date for FFVII so expect that sometime in the next 10yrs. Practically the same last gen Last Guardian footage we seen way back at E3 years ago. And that other game that's getting funded by Kickstarter for the most part. Who knows when we'll see Guerilla games new IP though I admit it looked great. And Uncharted 4 is Uncharted, we already knew about it and we won't get it until next year.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 10:29:30 AM

So who won, then?

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frostface
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 11:12:55 AM

I don't have an outright winner as the games I was most interested in where by three different dev's i.e SquareEnix (Deus Ex), EA (Mirrors Edge) and Bethesda (Fallout 4). I didn't catch Nintendo or MS at the show but I believe all of the big three did well. I just wasn't blown away with Sony's show.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:32:48 PM

I don't agree that you can't find it within yourself to "officiate" (if you will) the match ups just because they didn't present what you were looking for personally. Both in announcements and in presentation, Sony was the clear cut winner this year.

You yourself admitted they managed to pull off an incredible show while not announcing anything first party to release in the 2015 calendar year...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 8:46:13 PM

frostface is never happy with anything. I still remember my brother saying that any time he mentioned a game when playing with him, frosty just says he doesn't like it.

Apparently, he likes nothing at all. Maybe find a new hobby.

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frostface
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 1:41:27 AM

So because I don't agree with you Ben, I don't like gaming? Because the highlights of this E3 had nothing to do with Sony, I don't like gaming? Because I said I liked Mirrors Edge, Deus Ex and Fallout 4,I don't like gaming. Because I have an opinion and you don't like that, I don't like gaming? Yeh, I see you're right.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 20, 2015 @ 5:35:28 PM

O...M...G. It has nothing to do with me!

Jesus Christ. I was just saying that in general, you don't seem to like ANYTHING. That is an observation and I'm hardly the only one to make it.

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Evil Incarnate
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 9:39:43 AM
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I'm surprised to be saying this, but I think Square-Enix and Sony won E3. It's refreshing to see them at least trying to go back to their JRPG roots. Not saying they'll succeed in making games people desire but I'm not the type of person that dismisses something before I see it and play it for myself.
People bash Square a lot, myself more then most, so I think it's only fair to give them credit for attempting to deliver products people ask for.

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dillonthebunny
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 9:45:10 AM
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Im a huge ICO fan, back in the glory days of the forum we would have many discussions on ICO and SOTC, and when the last Guardian was announced I remember how many of us were so excited... Roll on many years of no further announcements later plus a whole new gen, and the first showing we see was exactly what we saw for the PS3, I mean seriously!?!

Again devs are pressured into showing footage of incomplete work, I'm happy to wait for a game even if it's this long... But no one should really count the Last Guardian footage as something new.

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frostface
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 9:53:01 AM
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The games that won E3 2015 for me where ... Fallout 4, Deus Ex and Mirrors Edge. All multiplatform and not shown on Sony's stage.

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 10:28:53 AM

Oh man, Guerillas new IP sure looked fantastic.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 10:30:44 AM

Some of those games you listed have the same qualities you just complained about in a post about Sony's show a little further up...

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frostface
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 10:59:58 AM

Absolutely Beam but we'll probably see it again on the shop floor at E3 next year too.

Underdog you're right. With the exception of Fallout 4 releasing this year, both Mirrors Edge and Deus Ex are next year. I did indeed mention games coming out next year as a negative re: Sony's show.

The difference though that you're not picking up on is that Sony had maybe three new AAA IP (admittedly they where from impressive and talented teams i.e. Naughty Dog, Guerrilla and Media Molecule) with none of them with a release date announcement, so we may get them again at next years E3. Uncharted 4 looks amazing but we already knew about it so that leaves two surprises that Sony can fully take credit for.

FFVII (You might get to play it in 10yrs and it's not a direct remake of the original, combat has been confirmed to be getting changed out by the games director), Last Guardian (looking no different than it's first showing years ago) and Shenmue (Kickstarter, not even in development yet), big announcements in that they're coming...eventually but heavens knows when. Also with the exception of Last Guardian, they'll be on other platforms too. Sony used smoke and mirrors to appear to have the better showing this year but really they just did a fantastic job of showing that they have a quite dry 2015 line up. At least in games that can only be played on their console.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:01:43 PM

Fallout 4 - Another Fallout game.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:28:44 PM

Anyways, I didn't miss anything. I just never went into this expecting anything to release this year to begin with. (If anyone did, then they were naive. The fact that FO4 releases this year is considered a big deal, is it not? It's certainly not normal to hear that in an industry where delays are basically guarantees.) Just wanted to hear about new stuff we've not heard about before.

I was not disappointed.

Now, you can say there's no outright winner, if you want. But I enjoy a little competition, and there's nothing even close to a 'tit-for-tat' to indicate this was a tie between the big three. And if you have to pick a winner of the three, it's clearly Sony for bringing up the most new and the most interesting content... whether it comes out this year or not.

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Bio
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 5:32:14 PM

I'm not sure why it's so important to declare a 'winner' at all.

If I had to declare a winner it would be Jeff Gerstmann from Giant Bomb for finally asking a publisher "What is it going to take for you guys to stop shipping broken games", and the loser would be the MS spokepeople who reacted with stunned silence and a look like Gerstmann just slapped their moms and peed on their dogs.

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Underdog15
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 12:44:07 AM

Bio, it's not important in terms of how you or I feel about it. But when huge numbers of people and news sites are going to talk "winner", as they do, you bet your bottom dollar it's important.

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Bio
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 12:14:39 PM

Why is it important? Or, I guess a better question is why is it always important? Obviously Sony mopping the floor with MS at E3 in 2013 probably had something to do with the PS4's current sales lead, but that's just an assumption most of us make.

For the most part, there aren't any long term consequences to these conferences, outside of giving us stuff to rank, and argue about, IMO. Sony promised some super cool shit on stage this year, but there's no guarantee any of that stuff comes out any time soon, most of it will be on multiple platforms, and one of them might end up not getting made at all (as much as I want Shenmue III, it hitting a 2 million dollar goal on Kickstarter is no guarantee of anything, especially when the first game cost 70 million to make, in 1999 money).

It can shift public perception to a degree, but usually only for a little while, except in rare cases, almost all of which occur around console releases.

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Underdog15
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 2:30:10 PM

Most of the time, the difference is small because they're usually pretty even. But this time, most sources and most people have the overwhelming opinion, whether right or wrong, that Sony owned the show and has way more to offer and holycrapmanff7-ism.

It doesn't matter if you can form an argument to support the other two systems if the word on the street is that Sony is the runaway winner by far. If the gaming news industry is proclaiming that, it will make a difference. And if it makes a difference in popular opinion, it matters.

Perception is more powerful than the whole truth.

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Bio
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 5:22:55 PM

I agree that perception often has more impact than the truth. My point is that E3 almost never causes changes in perception, and on the rare occasions when it does, it doesn't last long.

For the most part, people who only buy Playstations will keep buying only Playstations, people who only buy Xbox will keep only buying Xbox, people who only buy Nintendo will keep being weird alien people who probably have 3 buttholes or something.

People who buy all three won't be affected. People who want to have Gabe Newell's baby will just continue to pine for him and hope that one day he calls me...err I mean them. The people who want to have his babies. Not me. I certainly don't have a life size poster of Gaben on my bedroom wall.

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 10:45:23 AM
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Sony definitely came out tops. I think MS still produced a nice show that I'm sure their base is happy with.
I saw so many incredible games over the last few days my head is spinning.
Anyone see that Unravel game? Looks very awesome.
I also liked the Star Fox stuff I saw.
The ubisoft warrior game looked great.
Bethesda's stuff look awesome.
I liked the direction Gears 4 took.
That Inafune and metroid dev XO exclusive looked great too
Horizon looked amazing.
Battlefront showed awesome stuff.
Ubisofts historical sword battle game looked great.

This list could just keep growing.
Shenmue 3 !!!!!

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FAREEZ
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 11:44:52 AM

"I liked the direction Gears 4 took"
Same here, Gears 4 look like a horror game now, I hope they keep that throughout the full game...

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shaytoon
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 11:04:51 AM
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so in other words MS literally took a step backwards while sony showed off future software.

ff7. last guardian. drake.

haters gonna hate all they want but the fact is, the future is about tomorrows gaming, not yesterdays.

as for this whole VR stuff, both companies have their own thing going on and well just have to wait and see those two go head to head in a mass market.

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Deadman
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 12:06:56 PM

Backwards compatibility is a bigger deal than I think you are giving it credit for. Especially considering how the market is flooded with these Remastered titles.

The FF7 remake? Tomorrows gaming that is cashing in on 25 year old nostalgia. This is going to ignite a new terrible trend in the future. Unfortunately you vote with your wallet and once these companies know that there is big money in remaking past games it's only time before God of War, Jax, etc. all start getting the same treatment. Want to talk about taking a step back.

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frostface
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 12:13:16 PM

Exactly what Deadman said. And it would be a different tune from you Shaytoon of Sony said they were doing backwards compatibility. You'd have creamed yourself.

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Evil Incarnate
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 1:49:46 PM

I'm sorry, backwards compatibility is not that important. It's a nice extra feature that a niche group of people that suffer from OCD want so they only have one console in their entertainment center. Why would I buy a $400 game console and put hundreds of hours on it to play games that I could play on a console that costs me $99 used/ $120 new? I had an original 60GB PS3 and barely used the feature because the damn thing cost me $600. Again, nice added feature but will be forgotten in a couple months. By the way, there were a crap load of remasters on PS3/360 and I didn't hear people bitching this much about it then.

It must be a difference in age between the people that think every console should have b/c and the people that don't. My Super Nintendo didn't play my NES games, my Nintendo 64 didn't play my Super Nintendo games, nor did my Dreamcast play my Sega Saturn games. Some game franchises from the past are far better then any current franchises we have have now and deserve to be remade. I would take a Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver remake over anything on the market today or in the future.



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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:38:47 PM

PS3's backwards compatibility over XBOX360's lack of it almost certainly didn't make a big difference last gen. I fail to see how it would now. It's nice, but it's not a system seller. Just because it matters greatly to some, doesn't mean that it matters to most.

As for the FFVII remake, I'm not sure it really qualifies to be talked about as if it were just a remaster. It's especially silly to say it's because of 25 (or 18) year nostalgia... the same could be said about Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Tomb Raider, Halo, and any friggin' franchise that's been around for 15+ years.

If it were simply a remaster, you have a point. But it isn't. It's a completely brand new title, based on the news we've seen so far. And it's not like they're just going to ram it down our throats... you have to admit, there has been a large fan outcry for a remake... and it will be popular. You can hardly hold that against them.

With nothing to look forward to in terms of exclusive content this calendar year, Sony did an amazing job of keeping us excited for what's to come.

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Deadman
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:45:05 PM

I for one never said that backwards compatibility was important, just that it is a bigger deal than people are giving it credit for. I would love it if the PS4 had this feature, cause personally at the moment I find it a chore/hassle to play a game on the PS3. I don't think it has anything to do with a generation gap, as it sounds like we are about the same age. It just comes down to personal preference I guess.

My line about the market being flooded with remasters includes the last generation too.

If the idea of game remakes get your motor going cool. I just personally see the negative that will arise from it. Once Final Fantasy and Ratchet and Clank become hits, it is going to be an endless cycle. These games aren't going to have any soul, instead are going to be bland and generic rehashes, that will prey on your nostalgia to make a quick buck. Very much so like the slew of remakes that major Hollywood studios churn out year after year.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:52:13 PM

There's absolutely a need for new IPs. (But we got a couple of those too, btw... like Horizon.) But just because I really enjoy a once in a lifetime movie like Forrest Gump or Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind... doesn't mean I don't also enjoy my Star Wars, Spiderman, and mindless Terminator movies.

Just because we get a couple revisits to the glories of the past doesn't mean the wonders of the future have suddenly stopped cold turkey. And I don't see why they should be viewed as bad things. That seems silly to me.

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Deadman
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 6:15:12 PM

You said it there a couple of new IP's. There was a point were there would be several. Maybe Sony is saving those titles for this years PS Experience, IDK.

With the rising cost of game development these companies are on the look out to make a safe quick buck. That is why last gen became over saturated with FPS games, HD remasters, and started the trend of annualizing franchises. The moment that we show them that there is a safe, quick buck to be made on remaking the classics the flood gates are going to open.

I'm not saying that it will all be bad, sure there will be some decent games to come of it. But the only motivation behind it is to make a profit with little to no risk, not to deliver ground breaking games.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:02:00 PM
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Microsoft owns 2015 as far as I'm concerned. I'm stoked for the Last Guardian and Horizon, but was hoping that one would be released this Fall. Sony definitely had more surprise announcements, but MS's conference was solid from start to finish. They had a certain confidence about them. And I'm pumped for Rare Replay and BC.

I feel as though every year Sony "wins" (it is trivial and childish even if you disagree) E3, but come up short with their holiday lineup. Everything that got me excited at Sony's conference is AT LEAST a year away. Shenmue 3 is probably a 2018 release, and who knows how close FF7 is

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:45:15 PM

It's trivial and childish if you're just talking with your buddy over a beer. Sure.

But if the large majority of the gaming news industry are talking about it as a clear cut win (they are. It's everywhere.) it's suddenly much less trivial. If huge numbers of people are saying "Sony is winning, it's so much better", whether it's childish or not, that will move more systems.

And finally, I'm not sure that E3 has ever been a great forum for announcing new games to come out that same calendar year, anyways. It's either more concrete news on what's about to release, or, a possibly late year release that gets delayed to the next calendar year. (In the AAA category, anyways)

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 3:01:05 PM

Yea I agree that it's less trivial in being reported on by gaming sites. I'm aware of all the "rankings" and "winners and losers", etc. My point is there no real objective way to rank it. Are you going by surprise announcements? Number of exclusive games? Features of the console? Sony won the surprise announcement and fan service games. But I think that people discredit Tomb Raider, Gears 4 (and remake), and Halo 5 just because they knew about it before.

I guess I was just hoping for an announcement of a Sony game for this year.

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SayWord
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 2:40:48 PM
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LOL @ people that think MS had a better conference.

We do not buy a new system to play old games on. FF7 may rely on nostalgia but at least it will feel like a brand new game.

It seems xbone fans are more excited about living in the past (only thing the xbone has going for it) than what games are coming in the future. What is the point in owning a bone if you can buy every good exclusive on PC?

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 3:46:59 PM

I think a lot of people will buy an XO this holiday because backwards compatibility.

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SayWord
Thursday, June 18, 2015 @ 7:03:49 PM

Nope, not having BC sure didn't stop the PS4 or majority of consoles ever being released.

Majority do not care about BC, it is not a necessary feature when most people keep their old consoles. Since MS announced Killer Instinct and Gears Remaster being released on PC should help kill their sales this Holiday.

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Underdog15
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 12:46:50 AM

If it didn't motivate huge numbers of people to buy a PS3 after an immensely larger PS2 market that came before it... I fail to see why it would do the same for XBOX on half the total sales a generation later.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 9:16:32 AM

Seems a lot of people online are disagreeing with you guys. MS was clearly targeting people on th fence at this E3, and I suspect their sales this holiday will be way better than Sony's.

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Underdog15
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 9:21:16 AM

Online chatrooms rarely represent the reality out there.

4-5 years ago, you'd think, based on online forums, that everyone owned an XBOX and no one would ever buy a PS3 again. Heck, it still felt that way even after PS3 eclipsed XBOX.

I'm also quite sure all of us and many others laughed at the 360 early in the race for not being fully backwards compatible. You would have thought then it was a big deal. (I did.) It might have helped sell some systems, but it's hardly a selling point.

If XBOne does better this holiday season it will be because of the games they announced will be released this year. That's the only reason Sony wouldn't win the holidays. It won't be because of backwards compatibility.

(But when they do sell more at the holidays, you're welcome to claim it was.) ;)

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Underdog15
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 9:40:20 AM

Maybe things are different now, idk. Just based on history, I don't know if it'll make a significant impact. I used to think it mattered... until I realized I never put a PS2 disk into my PS3 anyways.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 3:20:03 PM

I dunno. I mean for me it's huge because I have an enormous digital library of 360 games...some are XBL arcade titles, but most are the games with gold titles that you get free every month. I gave my 360 to my cousin late last year but continued to "buy" all the free games each month from the Microsoft store (so he can play them). It's going to be pretty cool when 30+ titles pop up in my download queue this fall.

Im sure that Microsoft has crunched the data and sees that there are still millions of 360 users that haven't switched over to the Xbox One. I imagine the promise of transferring almost their entire library of games is a reason to hop onto ththe Xbox One if they market it correctly. Judging by Sony's comments, and the amount of time and money that MS has spent building a 360 emulator into an Xbox One, they probably think it'll help separate them from the competition.

It is probably 2 years too late though to make a huge impact. Worst case scenario it's an awesome feature for current owners. Especially if companies like Ubisoft and Bethesda are going to be giving away older 360 titles if you purchase their new games (Fallout 4 and new Rainbow 6).

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Underdog15
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 3:52:43 PM

Yeah. I can see that. Especially if your living room set up/outlet capacity doesn't make it easy to have multiple systems. I still have a PS+ account, obviously. I'd hate to lose all my PS3+ games! It could also be nice to get existing last gen customers. I can see the big deal being in making it less attractive to SWITCH, probably more than anything else!

I just keep them partly because I still have my PS1 and 2 as well and can't bring myself to part with them. Also, my systems are on a shelf in the room adjacent to my TV. So they aren't seen. That makes it easy for me to have multiple set ups. But yeah... that's just me. Not most people.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, June 19, 2015 @ 8:52:11 PM

Yea shelf real estate is a very precious commodity as you get older! I only have the Xbox One and Ps4 hooked up at this point, so BC means much more to someone like myself.

One day if like to have a crazy basement man cave with all the systems I own up a running tho!

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Underdog15
Saturday, June 20, 2015 @ 12:00:16 PM

I'm also lucky I managed to get a display model tv from Best Buy at 50% off... it has 5 HDMI ports alone. So really, it's just an outlet issue for me. And there's a couple free. So yay! lol

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Rachet_JC_FTW
Saturday, June 20, 2015 @ 6:32:13 AM
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its funny in GBG people were saying that M$ won cos of the games they showed but then by that they had won but most people agree that sony's games had that most impact and umph behind them so thats why they won so there you go make of it what you want but thats how it is and that ain't gunna change.

happy gaming

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