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GameStop: Sony And Microsoft "See The Value" In Used Games

Obviously, the used game market isn't going anywhere.

And as GameStop president Tony Bartel told Polygon, trade-in and resell programs have a "clear benefit and value" for gamers everywhere.

Bartel admitted that he was surprised at the news that the Xbox One will require users to pay a small, one-time fee to play second-hand games.

However, he opted to go only with the facts, which is that the next-gen Xbox will indeed play used titles. That's the bottom line. Plus, as about 16 or 17% of new games and DLC are paid for via trade-in credits, the president argues that used games "add residual value." And as for the game manufacturers, Bartel believes that Sony and Microsoft place a fair amount of importance on the pre-owned market:

"I think that if you look at [Sony and Microsoft], both of them have come out and said 'Hey, we're going to support the transfer of games in trade-in and resale.' I think that both of them see the value of that. They understand that consumers put a high value on the ability to transfer games and the ability to get that residual value out of games."

The pre-owned game issue has been a common topic of argument for years. For a while, it was rumored that one (if not both) of the next-gen consoles from Sony and Microsoft would block used games. Thankfully, that isn't true, but that little fee you must pay with the Xbox One is...interesting. We still have to pay for Xbox Live, right? And Kinect is mandatory? And the hard drive is unremovable? Well, all right then.

Tags: used games, preowned games, gamestop, xbox one, playstation 4

5/21/2013 10:40:45 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (35 posts)

MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 10:54:10 PM
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That's just caca de toro.

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Bonampak
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 10:20:02 AM

Indeed, amigo.

The PS4 just won the next gen war before it even begun. Look at this:

"Confirmed" Xbox One Issues:

1. Forced online activation for all games.
2. Massive emphasis on TV, services and non game related focus.
3. Live TV services available in US only at launch, requires separate device.
4. No headset included (old one not compatible).
5. Over emphasis on Kinect interface.
6. Console will not work without Kinect.
7. Kinect will collect data on user through the camera, unless disabled.
8. Xbox One not being backwards compatible with the 360 games or accessories.
9. Microsoft's failed attempts to correct PR with contradicting FAQ's, vague responses, misinformation (mostly in regards to the fees on used games).

Hardware issues:

1. DDR3 confirmed instead of GDDR5
2. Potentially Only 5GB of the 8GB ram available for games.
3. Only HDMI for output.
4. Will use 3 OS. At best, confusing, at worst, a nightmare.
5. Non-replaceable Hard Drive.

Fact: the Xbox One will be less powerful than the PS4.

Peter Molyneux explained that the difference in RAM between the Xbox One and PS4 will be an issue because its gonna be the difference between games being designed to run at 30fps or 60fps. Which means THAT ONCE AGAIN, A MS' CONSOLE IS GOING TO HOLD BACK A SONY CONSOLE.

MS thought it was ok to design a relatively weak console, because they thought that they can control the gaming scene next gen the same way they controlled it this gen. By forcing devs to design their games (dumb them down) to fit their consoles specifications. Thus why the PS3 got lousy multiplatform versions of games that never used its full potential.

I really hope the drones that supported MS this gen, will finally wake up and realize that they're being fleeced by MS. And consider not throwing their money at them next gen.

If they are real gamers, that is.

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wackazoa
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 10:57:23 AM

As far as declaring victory, I would hold off for the moment. You see, while the Xbox reveal did seem to be more hype than substance so far, but they have 2 Aces in hand. 1. COD will remain a Xbox 1st game, meaning all the players will get their guns and maps on it before everyone else again.

2. The NFL. Laugh what you will with the idea of the NFL mattering to a game console, but the NFL is the largest watched phenomenon on TV. With Xbox trying to be a everything box, this could be a potential HUGE leg up. Xbox and PS4 are seeming to covet two different things with the next console, and we will need time to see which is more popular.

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Bonampak
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:34:53 AM

@wackazoa

I dunno if you're aware, but presently there are a lot of Xbox fans suffering from meltdowns all over the web. Popular video-bloggers on Youtube that simply cannot believe how hard MS dropped the ball during the Xbox One Reveal. Big time.

Digital Foundry just published an analysis at Eurogamer that points out that the Xbox One is 33% less powerful than the PS4.

MS is also pushing aside Indie developers. Placing a lot of red tape and fees for them to deal with on the Xbox One. Contrary to what happens on Sony's machines.

In regards to XboxOne having maps and DLC before anyone else, for a game that at the reveal looked only marginally better than current versions (how embarrassing), lets first find out who will buy a system that has all the issues that I pointed out before. So I invite you to please read them all again, carefully.

And the NFL? Outside of the US, NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE NFL. In fact, a lot of the TV features of the X1 are useless outside of the US. And that was their major selling point during the reveal. That the console acted as a voice-controlled TV remote for those too lazy to push the buttons on an actual remote.

And what exactly did they get with the NFL deal? They paid 400 million dlls just to show highlights and fantasy football. Because ESPN actually pays billions for the rights to show actual content that NFL fans want to watch.

If they don't fix the issues that I pointed out before, the Xbox One will be lucky if they gain more traction than the Wii U.

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wackazoa
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:59:40 AM

As for your COD complaints lets remember that the last 4 have looked the same and played the same and yet still sold HUGE. COD is the enigma of gaming as it doesnt seem to matter what, if any, improvements are made, it sells huge.

As for your NFL comments, your are probably right about people oversees not caring(with the exception of deployed servicemen and women of course), but the U.S. cares. And the U.S. is the largest consumer of goods in the world. Therefore if you lock down the U.S. odds are you are doing rather well.

I remember alot of conversations about cell phones and the need/mistakes of putting in the extra bells and whistles on new phones, "when isnt the reason for a phone to CALL someone". Well nowadays almost all phones are conected to the internet, have cameras,etc. So it should be interesting to watch how Microsofts new system does.

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Cpt_Geez
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 11:22:07 PM
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I'm just going to get a Ps4 now, I usually buy both systems but Ill pass on the Xbox One.

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Killa Tequilla
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 11:31:12 PM
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I hear the fee for Xbox One used games is as much as 40-60MSRP.

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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 3:33:56 AM

I'd say more like $40-60 USD

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 4:15:16 AM

That's what I meant.

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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 4:41:00 AM

I realized that after the fact! LOL
As an aside though, I know that a lot of people give Michael Pachter guff about his predictions but a few weeks ago, he said that he thought that Don Mattrick was the front-runner for EA's new CEO. If he's working this hard to screw the consumer, then I'd say that he was born for the job!

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___________
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 7:11:35 AM

how can it be 40-60 USD, the same price as games NEW!
come on dude, some common sense please!
if your going to over exaggerate, at least do it properly!

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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 8:51:57 AM

Come on now, Mr. Blank; you seem to be the cynical type. They're already putting themselves in a position to charge all gamers in a household for playing a game-even the same game on the same machine! If they're going to do something that outrageous, then why not charge as much as possible for the privilege? Do you think that they'd charge $5.00 when they could just as easily get away with $60?

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 9:24:57 AM

@________________

He's not exaggerating! Here is a link to an article confirming the price.

http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825

Straight from the horses mouth!

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___________
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 10:19:53 AM

you say that, and IM the cynical one?
oh lord........
no, im the common sense type!
shame its gone extinct!

O, and BTW might want to do a little more research before flapping, games are locked to your console so you dont have to pay for multiple user accounts on the console.
and as long as your signed into your profile, when you go to a friends house you wont need to pay their either.

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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 4:01:45 PM

I called you a cynic because I recognized something of a kindred spirit but I've done quite a lot of reading on this in the last 24-hours and at least initially it looked at bad as I had feared. That's been clarified to some degree, but it still doesn't look ideal for the consumer.
Yes, you could play a game on a friend's console under your profile but if you left the disk behind then they would have to pay to play. So, no more loans and no one seems to know what this might mean for services like Gamefly or Redbox. Also, if you had more than one XBox under one roof (family or roommates) then you would each have to pay to play it on your console as things stand now.
Microsoft may be talking about supporting used games at retail, but as Polygon reported today they're still discussing a fee (as yet undisclosed) to transfer ownership of the game from the original buyer.
With the botch job that they've done on messaging and explaining things, it's hard to know how to feel. By the time they get their talking points straight they'll still have done huge damage to themselves.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 11:56:56 PM
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So you pay them once and you can play used games forever? Pay per game? What's goin on here? I would turn green and hulk out over this.

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 1:27:49 AM

The game, say HALO 5, is tied to your account once you install it to your XboxO, after that, only you can play it (without needing the disk because its installed to your XboxO). If you want any other XBL gamertag to be able to play it, that account (user) will have to pay a fee. To my understanding, even if the gamertag tied to the game is on the same console, it can't be played by other gamertags on the same console.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 2:17:01 AM

right but do you have to pay for every game you do that with?

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 4:14:27 AM

Your question is a bit confusing but yes. Any game you buy and try to lend to a friend will require them to pay a fee. Any used game. I think that part of being a gamer is playing with games at your friends house. I know I didn't decide to buy a console all by my lonesome. I would play at a friends house for quite a few years before buying my PsOne. I think this is true for many of us.

This is a move that doesn't affect me, but its a bad move for sure.

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___________
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 7:14:26 AM

its pay per game because there locked to the first account the game was installed on.
each game you buy gives you the option to install it to the HDD so you dont need the disc, thats why there locked to your console otherwise you could get games for free.
50 bucks says $ony will be doing the same thing.
hope they do, its a nice feature to be able to play games without needing to constantly switch discs.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 9:30:58 AM

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50 bucks says Sony is not. Sony has stated that the PS4 will not require an internet connection. Guess what would be required to implement this feature? Let me think.........Oh yeah! They would have to require an internet connection.

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___________
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 10:28:53 AM

and WTF does that have to do with a always online connection?
oh jesus christ guys please your giving me a MASSIVE migraine!
feel like im talking to a bunch of 2 year olds!
ok ill dumb it down so even toddlers can understand!
1 giving you the OPTION!
whats the definition of OPTION!?
last time i checked its the OPPOSITE to REQUIRED!
2 IF you choose the OPTION to install the game to the HDD you would only need the net connection for the first boot to register the game to your account.

plus, if the ps4 does not have some form of online nanny checking on what your doing, ill eat my hat!
$ony *SAY* LOTS of things...............

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 10:59:36 AM

@______________
The only way a feature like this works is to register games to your gamertag. Without an internet connection you can not register games to your gamertag. Do you follow? There is a difference between "always on internet connection required" and "internet connection required". Installing the game on the Xbox One is mandatory. With the Xbox One you need to log on to your internet with the console every twenty-four hours. Sony has said " NO INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED"! JESUS CHRIST!!! It's like explaining it to a two year old!



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wackazoa
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:14:35 AM

My question is how will they do for renting games, say from gamefly?

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:24:28 AM

@wackazoa

I suppose MS could give registration codes to Gamefly that have limited use for that title rented. So you would only be able to use it on one console and it would expire after thirty days. Beats me, though. Maybe MS wants to start their own trade and rental services and monopolize their own products.

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wackazoa
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 12:06:28 PM

Well as far as used games go, the rental business has always been my concern. Since they are in effect used games, Im always eager to see how the idea is approached. I like to rent first before I buy a new big title just in case I dont like the game then I havent spend $60 on a game I dont want and cant get my money back.

You ideas, I do find interesting, but I think the 30 day time limit is a bit much. Needs to be shorter I would think.

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JROD0823
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 1:16:44 PM

@Killa

Microsoft clarified that you can set up "parental controls" to allow multiple gamertags to have access to a game on the One without paying the used game fee.

I do agree that it is a stupid feature to have, but I guess MS will just have to lie in the bed that they make for themselves, and if features like this blow up in their face, it's totally on them.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 1:16:19 AM
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MS knows how to get money in many places. They know consumers will buy used games pay the small fee and still come out spending less that buying retail. They have been getting away with strategies like this for years and the consumers that support MS are okay with it, so...

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wackazoa
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:15:55 AM

I would say they are great at it. Anyone remember Games for Windows Live ?

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wackazoa
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:38:19 AM

*wouldnt

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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 3:20:38 AM
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They're being diplomatic because they think that they can negotiate terms with publishers and Microsoft, but I'm doubtful. I've spent many hours playing on Microsoft consoles but I hope that Gamestop, Gamefly et al just beat their livers out over this.

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Zeronoz
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 6:26:15 AM
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Wait...So if I bought a used game and paid MS to play it, does the devs get some of the money or none at all?

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___________
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 7:19:48 AM
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another one to put in the no sh*t sherlock pile.

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Ather
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 1:36:03 PM
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The fees might be irrelevant short of principle. If I can get a used game for $10, and have to pay a one time $3 fee, well, that's still cheaper than the $60 for a new game. 4 times cheaper. But that's for non Gamestop games. Gamestop will be pointless if they insist on selling used for a whole whopping $5 less, and you have to pay a one time fee. Unless it's like 3 cents, why buy used from Gamestop and pay the fee, when for a few bucks more you get it new? Saving $5 might be worth it now, but would it still be worth it to buy used to save just a buck? It really depends on the price of the fee. On the plus side, the fee might finally start forcing Gamestop to sell sued at a real discount. Though I suspect they'll shut down first (and hope their customers revolt and force MS to eliminate the fee).

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 4:05:49 PM

A lot of games that are traded in are used to finance the purchase of new games and Gamestop will frequently offer a 30% bonus on trades if you apply the credit to a pre-order. I'd like to believe that it would mean better prices, but it'll probably just result in lower trade-in values. Less credit for games brought in could very well result in lower sales on some titles.
I know that the industry has been up in arms about used games for years but I don't think that they've ever stepped back and consider the ways that the existing service can sometimes help them. I've bought used before when my budget was tight and it's resulted in me playing games that I otherwise might have passed on. Rockstar may not have made any money from me on Grand Theft Auto III but I've bought every game in the series since and I've bought Rockstar games that wouldn't have otherwise interested me (Bully) because I'd come to trust the developer. There are a lot of factors in play here and as much as I'd like to see devs prosper, this move might very well be a mistake long-term.

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