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Wait, Medieval Video Games Now Promote White Superiority?

Like medieval fantasy games?

Then perhaps you're unwillingly participating in white supremacy. ...no, really. This is what doctors in training do with their time now, apparently.

First, let me say The National Review was right to openly mock the statements of Victoria Cooper, a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Leeds in England, who wrote a paper entitled "Playing Politics: Exploring Nationalism and Conservatism in Fantasy Video Games." Her words were reprinted at Medievalists.net:

"The Middle Ages is a space where white supremacy is legitimized. The maintenance of white privilege. The gamer community use ‘historical facts’ to legitimize this kind of literacy....medievally-themed video games are a space where whiteness can be anchored, in a ‘happy history’ where a world is free of multiculturalism and white guilt.’"

The National Review correctly surmised that people who like medieval games don't like them because "they hate minorities and diversity and the games allow them to escape to a white-power fantasy land 'free of multiculturalism.'" But my favorite part of the article is here:

"I’m also having a hard time imagining how anyone could possibly develop a videogame that met the standards of political correctness. Maybe a game where the character who apologizes the most wins? Then again, any kind of competition just perpetuates the capitalist ideals that we all know are inherently evil. Perhaps we should just ban video games altogether. After all, it’s not like the people who play them can be expected to separate what’s going on in the game with the way the real world works."

Somebody needs to nominate author Katherine Timpf for some sort of common sense award. Oh wait, we lost that years ago; maybe someone should be hired to go and find it.

I guess the future Dr. Cooper (let's hope she doesn't pass) could tell us why she put "fictional history" in quotations, and explain how medieval Europe was actually a veritable melting pot, and how white historians must've just swept that under the rug for the benefit of "white superiority."

Here's a posit: Let's say an ambitious developer decided to make a game exactly like The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. Same setting and everything. But instead, they took some creative licenses with history and portrayed all the protagonists and antagonists as modern-day minorities (African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, etc.) Would Dr. Cooper bat an eye? Would anyone? Nah. In fact, the developers would have a parade thrown in their honor. And the first person to say anything against it is what...? Yup, a racist.

There's a certain level of irrational ridiculousness that we really shouldn't be prepared to accept. We're just turning into blithering idiots under the suffocating iron grip of "political correctness."

Tags: medieval video games, gaming industry, the witcher 3 wild hunt

7/27/2015 9:43:13 PM Ben Dutka

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Feryx
Monday, July 27, 2015 @ 10:12:10 PM
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I dunno, Dragon Age has several PoC, and I didn't bat an eye.

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Nerull
Monday, July 27, 2015 @ 10:29:25 PM
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My god am I sick of people acting like every little thing in video games is offensive.
It doesn't always make sense to include every single racial group just for the sake of being inclusive.

Why would a fantasy world that consists of an area smaller than most counties necessarily contain whites, african-americans, natives, latinos, middle-easterners, asians and a hundred other variations?

And more importantly they ignore the fact that racism is often a major theme in fantasy games, seeing how they have actual racial differences.
No matter what color your skin is, you're still in the human species.

Fantasy has elves, dwarves, mages, shapeshifters, cat/lizard people and a whole lot more creative contrast than just minorities a-z.

I didn't get mad at Sleeping Dogs or Yakuza for only containing Asian characters.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 12:46:29 AM

These a-holes want race and gender quotas. Jerry Seinfeld was pushing back against this same crap only in the comedy industry. Some jacka$$ wanted to know why there weren't more black people in his Comedians in Cars getting Coffee shorts. He basically said (paraphrasing) "dude, it doesn't matter to me. If you're funny, you're interesting, if you're not funny, you're not interesting." Yet the people who are constantly counting and dividing people up into little race or gender groups will be the first ones to call you a racist for being color/gender blind.

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bldudas1
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 7:19:59 AM

I always thought seeing race made you racist. :o

Sometimes, having black, Latino, Asian, or other types of people besides white doesn't make sense story wise. Or even having women doesn't always make sense.

You're right.

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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 12:15:31 AM
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I'd like to propose to censor these types of investigations, alongside a good chunk of the news media, on the grounds that they set a ridiculously high standard of retardation.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 12:41:39 AM
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I tire of these PC, SJW lunatics. This is the kinda crap that keeps people divided. The perpetually outraged have made in industry out of their anti-white race hustling. Now they're trying to infect the gaming industry with their racism.

Thankfully, I think the community has proven in the past how to handle these grievance mongers.

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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 1:02:34 AM

By sending death/rape threats therefore making things worse and giving these guys more time on the spotlight?

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 1:06:18 AM

Oh please. Did I say anything about death threats? I'm talking about the open mockery that these lunatic SJW's received.

Don't put words in my mouth guy.

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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 1:16:19 AM

I'm not your guy, pal. Hahaha, this guy. Are you on trial or something? every time I say something to you, you get all "don't put words in my mouth" Which sets you up for something much more worse.

I said that because last time the community "fixed" something gave Anita what's-her-face, and those who followed way more talking power than they deserved.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 1:22:27 AM

Because you do exactly that. Put words in people's mouths and make the worst assumptions about what the mean/meant. So, buh bye.

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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 1:41:32 AM

Defensive much? Users are getting too delicate around here...

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Voyager236
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 2:43:10 AM

Cesar, people who send "death threats" to Anita were identified? What are their names? If you don't know, don't try to supposed it. Considering how retarded and psycho are these people, maybe you should consider a hypothesis of fake e-mails to create a victimism scenario.

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souljah92
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 4:52:51 AM

Anita needs to sit on a cucumber

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Nerull
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 1:56:25 AM
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It's funny because if she had played the Witcher 2, it literally let's you choose either side in a racial war for the whole 2nd half.

I also forgot about trolls in the Witcher 3.
Who would have thought that trolls could often turn out to be reasonable chaps?
They were my favorite non-romance-able characters.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 2:10:59 AM

Don't most RPG's like that let you choose the race or skin color?

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Nerull
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 4:13:29 PM

You don't get to create your character in the Witcher trilogy at all. You're Geralt, since the whole series centers around a pre-established persona.
The only appearance customization is crafting the different armor and changing your hair.

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FAREEZ
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 2:20:53 AM
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I just love playing Medieval fantasy game and i have black friend...

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souljah92
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 4:53:54 AM
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sure there's still some racism everywhere but these retards all cry about the wrong things no matter what the race

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ethird1
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 7:25:45 AM
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Legendary Minja
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 10:47:31 AM
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Wouldn't it be a little more racist if they only added other minorities in because they're trying to make it seem like they aren't racist? At the end of the game design process, oh guys, don't forget to toss in some minorities! WTF!?!

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FM23
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 12:16:51 PM
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I'll just add this. As a "black man", it's pretty obvious how underrepresented and misinterpreted minorities are in any form of media entertainment including video games. Non-minorities will never understand this because of cultural differences blah blah blah

With that said, the b*tch who wrote this is crazy indeed. Programs require fresh new research projects so maybe this was her last resort lol

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Corvo
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 12:32:10 PM
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If a writer, or a team of writers, invent a world where slavery was never implemented into young flourishing societies, that makes the story extremely anti-racist. Obviously in the fantasy world of Witcher 3, even Bloodborne and the rest of the Souls games, its dominantly Caucasian NPCs.

In a fantasy world, we all tend to live out the way it should have been. Having no slaves is a GOOD thing. Do I get mad when Jacob from Mass Effect gets screen time? No. He's a good character and had a purpose in the story. Did I ever use him on my squad so I didn't feel racist or "white guilt"? No.

In other game series's like TES and Fallout. Do I ever try not to kill other racial groups other than white so I don't feel guilty? No. Everyone who aims a gun at me, or swings a weapon at me dies. It has nothing to do with their skin color. As a race, we are all human. It would seriously take integalatic aliens to make most of these morons realize that.

Yes, we all have our different backgrounds and heritage. Whites have spent most of their history warring conquering and creating. Same as the Asians. Hispanics as well. Mexicans and the similar races there were more peaceful, to an extent. In Africa you could say it was the same as the South American region. Though, with much more murder and killing.

Now if I designed a game, and it was during the medevil era, you bet your ass you wouldn't be seeing every culture under the sun just for political correctness sakes. Asians and Caucasians would fill up the majority of it. Its just the way the Earth is shaped and where the people were at the time.

Now I am racist again High Elves. Seriously, screw those stuck up imaginary bastards. Basically, if fantasy games were racist, why doesn't a different racial group write up a fantasy game about what their people did during the timeline of the 1500's? Than we all could play and discover what other differently placed humans were doing during the time where everyone knows what whites and asians were doing.

Getting sick of this racist/sexist crap. But what do I know, I'm just a straight, white male.

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FM23
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 1:44:03 PM

It's all perspective!!!

As for different groups writing about their time period, that type of writing is available, big companies just don't back it. In what form of "popular" media are minorities depicted as powerful groups. One could say European colonization created white dominance in the history books, but for some reason, we are not taught the oppression side of things until higher education. Thus we are provided with a past in media that parallels this information. Marvel is taking leaps forward by making a Black Panther movie because this movie, hopefully, will show a non-Caucasians group as powerful. Not trying to be preachy, but this is the society we live in at the moment. One group is vastly represented because of an invisible divide. Not too long ago this nation could be described as racist society, though history spins the melting pot story in favor of harmony and cohesion.

Just because you aren't racist and tire of people pulling the race card, doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. But yes, people can be extreme on both sides. A clear example is this ladies research paper. She plays victim while stereotyping the same group she believes stereotypes her.

She's an extremist for sure. Complains, but doesn't take action if any could be taken. There's black and white to everything. I'm in the gray.

Now back to Witcher 3 I go so I can live out my white fantasy!!! Haha

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Bio
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 2:37:30 PM
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I like that the National Review editor felt justified in mocking the paper despite admittedly never playing games at all, let alone the genre or specific title in question. Affirms their reputation for nonsense partisan hackery.

I haven't read the full paper yet because Cooper hasn't uploaded it yet, and I would like to see the quotes in context before concluding whether she is off base or not, but I have spent plenty of time with Skyrim, and medieval games in general, and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people playing games like these do take comfort in the monoracial aspects, even if that is not the primary motivation to buy or play them. Of course, Cooper never said it was, from what little I can tell based on a few isolated quotes, but NRO had no problem assuming that.

There is a serious problem with representation in games, like all media, and it's okay for people to question it. Doing so does not make them 'social justice warriors' or 'political correctnes nazis' or whatever other derisive label people may choose to apply. When the predominantly white male gaming 'community' almost uniformly responds to inspections of their hobby with hostility, often resulting in sexist or racist slurs and even death and rape threats, it just affirms the assumption that they don't want or deserve to be part of the conversation concerning their own pastime. Yet people will continue to have those discussions without them, so that kind of reaction just dimishes their collective voice.

At the end of the day, we should want broader representation in all forms of media, because it just means better entertainment. Instead of whining about 'social justice warriors' maybe we could acknowledge the problems that so clearly exist within games and discuss ways to address them.

Or just impotently shake our fists at the screen because these non-white and vagina owning people aren't as happy with our games as we are.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 5:22:25 PM

The reason the National Review writer could easily respond is because the message is clear. If you wish to ignore it, that's all right. Saying the "Middle Ages is a space where white supremacy is legitimized" is not only grossly inaccurate - and insanely skewed from purely a political standpoint and hardly a historical one - but it's also obviously implying the goal of those who use the content. It implies the developers had an agenda and it implies white gamers take solace in that agenda. And it's all wrong.

The gaming community is hardly predominantly white anymore, and they absolutely do not "uniformly respond to inspections of their hobby with hostility and sexist or racist slurs." All of that is bullsh** and the common rallying cry of the race warrior. It's the only thing that gets in the news, but it's absurd to believe that white gamers respond this way all the time. It's even more absurd to believe that ONLY white gamers are capable of being racist, with the further insinuation that anyone who isn't white actually CAN'T be racist. I've heard minorities online. They sling plenty racist and sexist (and anti-white) comments...and I got news for you: FAR more than white gamers, in my experience.

We've been acknowledging the problems for years. The strides are clear. Rather than desperately trying to prove these strides aren't happening, rather than completely overlooking the developers who have continually made efforts to include females and minorities in our games (I haven't played a game in the last year that didn't include both, or one or the other), and who have made great improvements in the realistic depiction of these peoples, maybe, just maybe, we can accept that change is happening.

We have every right to respond to inane, pointless theories like medieval-themed fiction has anything at all to do with white superiority. The creators never intended any such thing and there is nothing in any such content that would even imply the white race is "superior." In fact, in The Witcher 3, there's constant referrals to how the different races shouldn't be warring and how they're more alike they think. This is all reality.

That's what I'll choose to live in, thanks. You may choose to defend irrational lunacy for the sake of "equality," if you like. You're certainly free to do so.

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FM23
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 5:50:35 PM

Well said BIO. I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said because it is true.

Whoa Ben, calm down. He wasn't even referencing her anymore, but pointing out a clear divide in media. Yea change is coming, but up until this point and even looking forward, what big name "video game" lead isn't white? Custom characters in RPG's don't count lol

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 7:09:19 PM

Nothing he said was even remotely true. People are sick of and tired of being pigeonholed into the SJW's little racial and gender groups. Racism and sexism exists but it's hardly endemic to society anymore. This isn't the Jim Crow era. This garbage is used by carrier agitators and politicians to garner up votes and donations and only serves to keep us divided.

People constantly invoking race and gender and demanding racial quotas be met shows that they're the ones who are constantly thinking about race and because they don't like that there are too many white people could imply that they're the racists. Not the gamers who play these games.

People should be looked at and treated as individuals. Not as a racial group, class or gender.

But maybe you are right. Maybe developers should make a game that takes place in Fuedal Japan but only if there's a race quota of 30% blacks/Latinos, 20% Armanian and the rest can be a mix of Japanese and Arabs. Oh and let's make it 90% woman. And if you disagree with that quota. You're a racist and a sexist.

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Bio
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 7:33:52 PM

Actually, Jawknee, recent Justice Department investigations into police departments all over the country have found rampant racism, we still have politicians actively trying to disenfranchise minority voters under the guise of protecting us from nonexistent voter fraud (recent study found less than 40 instances of fraud in over one billion cast ballots), there is still a huge problem with police violence against minorities, etc. ad nauseum. To claim racism is no longer a problem is to be willfully ignorant. I agree people should be viewed as individuals, not as part of oone group or another. The problem is that they aren't, and until that changes, people are going to speak up on it. We don't need Jim Crow to perpetuate institutional racism.

And the only person I've seen speaking of quotas in entertainment is you. It's not bad, as strawman arguments go, but still a strawman. Gamers can't have it both ways, though. You can't excuse racism and misogyny by saying "hey, it's a game, it's not supposed to be realistic, so it doesn't matter if all the girls are hypersexualized barbie dolls" and then turn around and say these same fantasy games must adhere to some historical perspective at the expense of media representation. So if these really are just trivial fantasies that don't need to reflect reality, why not make a game in fuedal Japan that stars a black man and a Greek sidekick or whatever?

Also, no one is saying every game has to feature X number of Y minority, but it'd be nice if a few big name games featured people who were black, or hispanic, or Indian. It would be nice not because it would tick some checkbox of equality, but because the world is a lot bigger than white American men, and there are a lot of cool stories, interesting perspectives, that we're missing out on when we focus so overwhelmingly on such a narrow demographic.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 7:42:14 PM

"Actually, Jawknee, recent Justice Department investigations"

You mean the same Justice Department that was run by Eric Holder? A an anti-cop racist who was held in contempt of Congress, who whipped up racial animus in Furgonson only to be proven wrong in the end about Officer Wilson? That Justice Department? Yea, real credible Bio.

"we still have politicians actively trying to disenfranchise minority voters under the guise of protecting us from nonexistent voter fraud"

So is it racist to have to have an ID to buy, beer, cigarettes, get on a plane, open a bank account, buy a house, buy/drive a car, buy a gun, open a line of credit....and on and on. This is the stupidest thing ever put out there by you race hustlers. It's racist to demand an ID to prove you are who you say you are when you cast a vote but not to buy a beer or board a plane. The sheer lunacy is mind numbing.

I'll tell you what's disenfranchising is people like you who think minorities are too stupid or are incapable of getting an ID. Its called the soft bigotry of low expectations and its patronizing as hell.

"And the only person I've seen speaking of quotas in entertainment is you"

LOL! Uh huh....

"There is a serious problem with representation in games, like all media, and it's okay for people to question it."

You're delusional. There is no longer any point in responding to someone like you. You don't live on earth and you rely on anti-white agitators for proof that white people and cops are a bunch of racists so you can feel better about your own anti-white animus or perhaps guilt. Buh bye.

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Bio
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 8:02:30 PM

Voting is a right, Jawknee. Buying beer is not. Requiring ID to vote constitutes a poll tax, which is illegal, and disproportionately affects lower income, minority voters. That is why conservatives push for it, despite conclusive proof that voter fraud is a non issue. I would be all for requiring one if they were given out free of charge, but republicans reject that compromise, because they don't care about electoral integrity, they care about suppressing voter turnout.

And given that the results of the DoJ investigations were made public and anyone can read the racist emails, texts and internal memos of the Cleveland, Ferguson and San Francisco PD, dismissing them because you don't like Holder seems really weird. It does inform my understanding of your viewpoint, though.

I also loved the part about how I'm a 'race hustler' because I'd prefer it if our government, and our entertainment, wasn't quite so racist. As if acknowledging the problem actually makes someone part of the problem.

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FM23
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 11:56:59 PM

You know someone has lost an argument once they start insulting you Bio. Jawknee, you clearly can't relate to the issue presented thus you find the mention of it pointless and as an attention seeking device. Bio is pointing out a clear flaw in our media that is pretty apparent. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean this divide doesn't exist.

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frostface
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 4:11:43 PM
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I've looked up Victoria Copper and she's just a student writing a paper. This is a non story. Not to say that we shouldn't talk about racism in video games, there's a topic of discussion there, but her paper isn't anything more than homework.

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Rachet_JC_FTW
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 @ 9:21:10 PM
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this stuff makes my head hurt and i am facepalming alot at her comments, she really doesn't know what she is talking about and it really irritates me.

and on the medievil thing we like games cos we like the setting and the style of game it is not cos of this white dominants thats just silly ad stupid thats not at all what i'm think of when i look at getting a game like that not at all.

oh well guess there still is no really common sense anymore everything is to politically correct and sometimes you need to be a bit blunt. but as per usualy the media spin is just as stupid as usualy in the what they want you to think.

oh and btw @Nerull "Sleeping Dogs or Yakuza" good point there for sure.

happy gaming

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