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Damnit, Does Any Game Really Need To Offer 400 Hours?

I understand the "bang for your buck" concept. I really do.

I also love to see games that offer so much entertainment for the solo player. Because open-world games are basically dominating the industry, and those are the types of games that typically have lengthy campaigns, it's a nice benefit for those who don't care about online play.

But at some point, we just reach ridiculous levels, don't we? We know how huge games like The Elder Scrolls and Grand Theft Auto are; if you want to see and do everything, you'll have to invest well over a hundred hours. In the case of this year's The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, developer CD Projekt Red said it would take over 200 hours and they probably weren't far off. Now, Bethesda is claiming the upcoming Fallout 4 might take over 400 hours for the completionists.

Granted, it's in large part due to the extensive crafting system we'll find in the game, but when one of the game's designers says he's "still finding stuff I haven't seen" after all that time, one has to wonder: How long is too long? Yes, there is such a thing. Of course, the campaign in Fallout 4 certainly won't take 400 hours but those campaigns are starting to require more time, too.

The worst part is that this particular game comes out during the fall, when there are typically tons of other titles one might want to play. On top of which, the proliferation of stupidly huge games makes it harder for anyone with a life to finish them. I believe there is a sweet spot concerning length in all games; for open-world adventures, the number is higher, of course, but it doesn't have to be astronomically huge.

Anyone else feel this way?

Related Game(s): Fallout 4

Tags: fallout 4, fallout 4 length, game length

8/1/2015 10:33:12 AM Ben Dutka

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Temjin001
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 10:53:45 AM
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I'll likely just stick to the core experience as I did with FO3.

the biggest problem is that the bigger they come the buggier they are.
Hope my 60-80 hours doesn't feel like a buggy mess.

Seems to me the last Bethesda outing broke itself after enough hours, happening first on PS3.

Edit: November works for me but it'll likely have to wait behind battlefront and the Uncharted Collection.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 1:39:05 PM

Don't stick too close, thats usually missing 90% of the map and isn't much of a story. The point is to get lost.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 4:13:00 PM

This generation is telling of that. However I gotta say The Elder Scrolls Online is easily the biggest game I've ever played and the issues are minimal. That's saying a lot for a game of its size especially one that's an mmo.

I'll be searching the vast wasteland far and wide. Won't miss a beat.

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ethird1
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 11:05:47 AM
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Some games yes. Some games no. There you go.

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slow and smart
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 1:09:31 PM
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I like to finish my games,but i don't care WHEN i finish them,be it in say 2 month's or be it next year.Many good games?then leave Fallout 4[not me]/ play another game,finish it and go back to Fallout 4,so play it between other games there's always some month's with less games.
For me Fallout 4 will be the absolute number 1 game that i want to play so 400 hours sounds just fine to me,the rest will have to wait,no problem.

Last edited by slow and smart on 8/1/2015 1:16:49 PM

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The CEO
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 1:24:13 PM
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I can deal with 400 hours. 160 hours sunk into Fallout 3 and its expansions and still wanted more.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 1:39:33 PM

Me too. More MORE MORE!

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frylock25
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 2:51:07 PM

I have easily put 1500 hours into fallout 3 new Vegas and skyrim. Over the course of many years but I got the platinum for skyrim and I think I did fallout 3 as well.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 1:38:08 PM
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I agree with the sentiment but not when it's Fallout. There can never be enough Fallout to play or discover ever.

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The CEO
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 1:46:42 PM
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I don't think watching Deathclaws and Raiders being blown to gory chunks with V.A.T.S ever got old. That and using Fatman on everything after the game was beaten. Still have so many fond memories.

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trumpetmon65
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 2:33:56 PM
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I probably put in a few hundred hours overall on the last two and I know I didn't do everything. I've slept very well since then

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campat
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 2:34:18 PM
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Sounds more like a complaint than a valid question.

I could care less if the game was a 1,000 hours as long as it is good and I enjoyed playing it.

I'm thinking my time as a reader of this site is coming to a close. Been getting more insightful opinions, reviews, and news through Apple News on iOS 9 Beta.

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FM23
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 3:39:18 PM

Definitely does come off as a complaint. I understand your opinion towards this site as well. Things have really changed, but I still tune in.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 4:11:13 PM

How has the site changed?

Ya gotta understand that raising questions about the size of these open world games is something that is worthy of discussion. So if it's a complaint by the writer or not you are free to comment, disagree, discuss. Remember this is not a blog.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 4:49:36 PM

Don't really care what you think.

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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 5:08:37 PM

It is that type of hostility towards your members, Ben, which is why I have stopped coming to your website less and less.

I hope you aren't also going to reply to me by saying, "I don't care what you think" because that seems to be the norm for you.

I'm with FM23, things have changed and you can see it in the comments. People are commenting less and less. I think the root of the problem is because you drive them away, Ben.

He has every right to disagree with your opinion. Games don't cater to you exclusively. And honestly, you should expect a bigger game from a developer like Bethesda. It isn't unheard of. Assume from now on that games are only going to get bigger and longer because that's how the shift is changing. You're still stuck in the 80's when games were simpler and shorter? Well, don't try to swim against the current. Either swim with it or take the time machine back to the 80's when games catered to you and enjoy those games yourself.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 9:18:35 PM

'sigh'

Never said he couldn't disagree. Wondered why he bothered to post at all.

Whatever.

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campat
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 10:44:56 PM

Ben, for someone who doesn't care perhaps you should stop reading the comments. If you do care then take to heart the critique. I used to really enjoy your work. Your piece on MSG IV is what hooked me on your site.

Worlds End, a good bit of Ben's work seems more and more like a blog. More often times than not any news I read here has broken first elsewhere or is just Ben quoting another site.

A legit question for discussion is one thing and Ben has posted those before however when the question is framed more as a complaint that's another thing.

Ben, I'm pretty sure when developers make games for the PS3 or PS4 they don't stop to consider "Ben's" ideal game length.

Ben you really should treat your readers with more respect. We deserve better from you.

Oh and any smart remarks about not caring or why did I bother, I don't care about. Doesn't bother me. I would like to see this be great again.

Not a series of whining blogosphere questions and berating comments from its administrator.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 12:27:18 AM

Nobody berated anyone. I said I don't care what you think.

I DON'T CARE.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/2/2015 12:28:21 AM

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campat
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 9:33:37 AM

Actually Ben you have and more than once. Don't need to look far into any thread to see that. Other readers such as Bio have commented on that.

Your capable of great work Ben. Things have changed on this site. You used to have other writers on this site making contributions.

Now be careful on how you respond to this Ben because this suggestion is valid as a reader of this site, perhaps the next question you should ask of your readers is their opinion of how this site has changed and how you as a professional have changed.

Oh wait let me guess. . . "YOU DONT CARE WHAT YOUR READERS THINK" Is that correct Ben. A simple yes or no will do quite nicely.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 7:51:12 PM

No.

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campat
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 8:59:51 PM

There you have it PSXEXTREME readers, The man who earns money off of advertisements on his website who relys on readers like us for said advertisers to have an audience monetize on does not care what his readers think.

Every question asked, every opinion shared is worthless to Mr. Ben Dutka.

The next article you post should be a dictation of your personal views on the readers who support you on this website.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 9:31:27 PM

Yes, there you have it.

The man who earns almost nothing from this website and has been doing it almost entirely for fun, to continue to serve the gaming community because he USED to love it, who hasn't seen an ounce of appreciation for anything done in years, who has received nothing but hostility, vitriol and egocentric "this is why you suck and this is what you're doing wrong" for even the most strident attempts at satisfying an adolescent, whining, defensive, disgustingly self-serving community...doesn't care. He doesn't care anymore because the people he essentially volunteers to serve don't deserve an extra ounce of effort. So, he DOESN'T CARE.

And of course I'm wrong because I'm always wrong. Feel better about yourself now?

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 8/2/2015 9:36:53 PM

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 12:07:51 AM

Ben, calm down. We love your work. I can tell a Ben Dutka article from a mile away. You just need to be more respectful to your readers. Take a good look at your dislikes anytime you say something. The like/dislikes are there for a reason right?

Keep up the good work, but improve on the comment section. Those are my 2 pesos. If we, the readers are being slowly driven out, the who the hell are you writing to?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 12:57:27 AM

Nobody. Don't care.

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campat
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 1:14:05 PM

Ben, first thanks for sharing your true feelings. I can empathize with loosing a love for something.

Secondly, I have enjoyed your work over the years. I think that when your on your game your one of the best. Your feelings definitely explain a change in overall tone of the website.

A BIG HEARTFELT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE! You have done some great work.

I have stated that I would love to see the Ben of old back! I don't comment much one way or the other unless a change is noticeable and hurts the website.

Wether you really care or not is on you. In doing a service for the community maybe you should consider resigning your post as the community ends up being hurt by "I don't care".

You are the leader and voice of this community website and if you don't care and lash out at readers what kind of example are you setting for readers and yourself as a professional?

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campat
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 1:20:14 PM

Ben, I never felt bad about myself. This is not about me as it is about the website and you. Allot of us want to see your enthusiasm and live for gaming shine.l again.

The reason i have spent so many years on this site has been you. I haven't gone elsewhere full time because of your work. I would prefer to stay here as I know what your capable of. If this is how's it going to be all the time going forward then I would perfer not to be a part of it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 1:38:25 PM

Saying "I don't care" isn't "lashing out." Haven't said more than a few words in weeks.

I appreciate the appreciation. But it's far too little far too late, unfortunately. I just don't want any part of it anymore.

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campat
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 1:50:42 PM

Then quit. What you have stated earlier is lashing out and derogatory.

Do yourself a favor a quit. Be rid of the frustration.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 2:19:56 PM

I'll do what I please, thank you.

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The CEO
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 9:08:58 PM

Bye. Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

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FM23
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 3:46:41 PM
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Yea...400 sounds good to me. And GTA does not require that much time to see everything, but online is a different story. I put alot if hrs into that.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 4:11:19 PM

Yeah GTA was not a very good example. It's not even on the same level as the types of games Bethesda creates as far as content goes. Which brings me to the biggest difference, the content. That's what gives Fallout and The Elder Scrolls their length.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 4:06:59 PM
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I'm good with that length. I'm actually leaning towards these types of games more and more because I don't have time for every new game that releases. However if one game, like ESO, can provide me with months of entertainment then I'm all for it despite only getting in an hour or so here and there. Borderlands 2, Fallout 3, The Elder Scrolls series, are all good examples of this.

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Nerull
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 4:13:06 PM
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This is actually the reason I never got that far into Fallout 3/New Vegas. I had just finished Skyrim after having to completely restart it soooo many times on PC.
So when a friend let me borrow it I was hesitant to go back to it thinking, "I don't have time for that much of a time-sink right now."

I still love big games, especially a long main story. Many open world games try to give you so many side-missions that the main plot itself seems pretty short by comparison.

I just wish that Fallout especially could have come out in the summer before I have to start school again.
It's so annoying how every single year there is a huge gaming drought in the summer, but once the holiday shopping season starts everything and the kitchen sink is all dumped out at once.

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Jalex
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 5:53:28 PM
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I don't have a problem with the length itself, but personally, almost every time I play a super-long game, I end up wishing that they spent more time on various things instead of spreading themselves too thin. Quality over quantity. But hey, if they can pull off both, more power to them. What we've seen of '4' so far all looks extremely polished compared to any of Bethesda's previous games.

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Corvo
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 6:24:53 PM
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I Figured as much. The whole town/eco system thing is going to be quite the time consuming thing. It does sound really cool though. I'm a wanderer though, and won't set up a village of my own.

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FAREEZ
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 8:52:36 PM
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Definitely gonna quit my job to play 400 hours of Fallout 4...

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Bio
Saturday, August 01, 2015 @ 11:32:05 PM
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Since most of the stuff in these games is optional, I've never really understood the fuss over too much to do.

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dillonthebunny
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 7:40:06 AM
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Both fallouts I've put in over 500 hours in each, same with skyrim, and no doubt Eso.

Pay 60 spuds for a game that tags a solo play on that could last 4 hours up to 8 possibly, one where they force you to play online if you want to get your value for money out of your purchase..

Or games like fallout, elder scrolls, witcher and GTA that are developed to give you total value for your buck. In the days of the zx the games would last months, and gradually generation by generation they have become shorter, this generation is just a cash cow.

So we shouldn't be asking if its too much, we should be asking why others aren't following this example, but we know the reason... You make more money giving people less, some devs just think this way, personally I love a game that can give you more than enough!

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Rachet_JC_FTW
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 8:40:34 AM
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yeah i think thats a littleover board with game length sometimes too much is too much and its too long but then again if ur budget for games is small then this will definately keep you going for a long time. but then again most people are done after 200 hours tops i know i probably put 100-150 or maybe a little more into AC4 black flag which was so much fun.

but then yeah it does really depend on the game not all games are made to be that long i know that games like lotr return of the king on ps2 back in the day that woud never have been more than 50 hours tops.

but like most of you have said some yes some no its gotta be the right kind of game.

happy gaming

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Rogueagent01
Sunday, August 02, 2015 @ 11:34:10 PM
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The thing about it is that you'll most likely be able to get the platinum in less than a hundred hours, and the rest will be for people that enjoy the game and want to do as much as possible. In no way would i say that there is too much. The only possibilities that would get me to say that it is too much would be if the quality is poor or if that amount of time is required for the platinum.

Hell if the build your house features are anything like i'm picturing i'll probably put 400 hours into just that.

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Banky A
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 7:24:50 AM
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Star Ocean man. Friggin' Star flippin' Ocean.

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chuckuykendall
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 8:28:50 AM
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Un-sub. It's never a good sign when the author digs into the comments to show his true colors. I haven't been a big contributor to the comments in the past but much less so in the recent past because I don't like seeing people get beat up in the comments and don't want to join them.

I fully expect the door to hit me on the way out.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 10:25:46 AM

Yeah. Saying "I don't care" is "beating people up."

Fine. Bye.

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squibbfire
Monday, August 03, 2015 @ 11:06:09 AM
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The market wants more skyrim and more fallout 3...if people are complaining about 400 + hours for one game..i guess they just are....HARDCORE lol..

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