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Jaffe: The Next Generation Of Consoles Will Be The Last

Things are changing in the video game industry, like it or not.

The question is, how much longer will we have the traditional gaming console? Analysts, journalists, industry executives, developers and gamers have all weighed in with their opinions, and now it's David Jaffe's turn.

The God of War creator says that in 10 years (or "probably sooner"), consoles are gone. This means that the next generation of hardware will be the last round of consoles and, as Jaffe said confidently, "they should be." But don't get all up in arms just yet; it's not like it's the end of the world. We'll still get all our favorite games. Said Jaffe:

"It doesn't mean you won't buy a piece of hardware from Sony, but you'll probably buy a television that streams the stuff. And you'll still have Sony, loud and proud and strong making these great, big, epic games like God of War and Uncharted, and they'll be making great little games like Sound Shapes, but they'll become more like movie studios for video games. I'll be able to stream in the next Uncharted and Plants vs Zombies and you won't even think about it. It'll just be like I can watch a public access show on my TV or I can watch Avatar.

So this is the last generation of consoles coming up. I'm going to go out on a limb, because why the f**k not? I don't care if I'm wrong, I'm not a business guy. I think next-gen consoles are going to do 40 percent of [the sales volume] of the current gen hardware."

If the next generation of consoles is indeed the last, it will certainly be the end of an era. We'll just have to accept this new "delivery system," which will presumably become the standard method of giving us our awesome interactive experiences.  I can live with that, I suppose.

Tags: david jaffe, next-gen, next generation, next-gen consoles

6/13/2012 8:36:03 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (80 posts)

LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 9:31:39 PM
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I don't agree at all. There is no way the next generation of consoles will be the last. I don't know about you guys but I'd never want my TV to do everything. TVs break down and I'd hate to lose out on all my current stuff because of a TV failing on me.

Streaming if here to stay but I don't see it taking over physical media in the sense that hardware goes away.

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CH1N00K
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 9:40:20 PM

I don't think it would matter if you're TV broke or not. If we do go this route, the TV will just be a vessel, and your "Console" that you'll probably be paying for on a monthly basis, will be a sort of cloud service which you can stream to whichever device you log into.

I also imagine we will have more cross platforming...Play a game on your TV at home, keep playing on your cell phone as you walk over to a buddies place where you log into his tv and keep going.For that matter your phone or tablet may even be the controller..All of your save game info will be kept on a server somewhere so you don't need to worry about leaving a game on someone else "system".

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comicozi
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 9:41:22 PM

@lv

agree would also like to add that many ppl out there dont have access to stream, for what ever reason and will slowly decrease over time but there will still prob. be alot of ppl without streaming access 10 yrs from now.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 9:41:42 PM

@CH1N00K
You smarty pants.

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TheAgingHipster
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 9:46:16 PM

Was just about to say that. We take for granted being able to get on broadband internet, but that's not the case for most of the world. Game companies would be shooting themselves in the foot by alienating so many gamers who just don't have the bandwidth to stream a massive game. Hell, gamers in Canada alone would all but disappear, since no internet company up here offers unlimited bandwidth (usually capped around 20-40 gigs).

Some day, sure, I'd wager we'll see all streaming. But it won't be the next generation. And likely, it won't be the one after that. Not until broadband is ubiquitous.

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CH1N00K
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:01:16 PM

@LV

I are is smrt sum days...I'ze can read dem fancy books without pictures in them...

lol, That and I haven't seen highlander yet so I figured I would put in my dumbed down peasant version before someone who knows a lot more about the subject came along and ruined my moment..:P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:22:42 PM

Gaming on tablets doesn't work. Touch controls suck balls.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:24:33 PM

Ya I agree World. I have a ton of games on my Droid and never play any of them. I thought it was really neat when I found and emulator to play NES, Genesis, PS1, etc but found out it's impossible to enjoy any of the games due to touch controls.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:45:44 PM

I bought Duke Nukem 3D to relive some memories, and it's bad enough trying to use the touch controls but whoever the f*ck did the port doesn't even let you invert the Y axis!

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PSN French
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 2:34:19 AM

I agree with Jaffe!! If you take the major investors into account, the American economy will crash again, and consumers will have less money to spend... physical media may become too much of a burden to handle for smaller companies. We are already seeing the larger companies taking big hits to stay competitive... there is only ONE answer to keep gaming profitable and I see this happeing in the NEXT-GEN and NOT the following.

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CH1N00K
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 9:34:33 PM
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I don't know if they'll be the last consoles, but it is definitely the way the industry is going. And he does have a point with TV's since you can already get internet ready TV's, now. How much of a stretch is it to get streaming online Console TV's?

The sad thing about this, is that it is nice to have a collection on the shelf to look at, but I'm finding that after the amount of games I've purchased over the last 15-20 years, I am starting to run out of room and places to put things, and all the old ones I don't play any more end up in a box in the attic until they're worth something anyways.

The digital console is coming, but it doesn't mean we have to like it...lol

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Neo_Aeon666
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 9:56:03 PM
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What I hate most is to be 100% dependent on the provider. If I had the money, power and a crazy ninja team, I would get rid of all the vaporware top brass supporters and give the freedom back to the people!

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tes37
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:03:02 PM
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I don't agree with David Jaffe and I hope Sony doesn't either. If Sony makes a PS5, I will own it.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:10:12 PM
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HD video game streaming service? No thanks. Terrible idea.

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CH1N00K
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:17:30 PM

I agree with you, for right now...but what will you say when there is no longer the option?

With the "green" initiative being pushed more in every major government, the pressure to cut down on packaged products where we can is going to be come more and more of an issue. As soon as someone in the right place figures out that if everyone owned just one TV instead of a whole living room full of electronics for entertainment, you know they're going to put pressure on the companies to cut down...and you can bet that video game consoles will disappear before surround sound does...

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:24:57 PM

They day I am forced to rely on streaming services to play video games because of the eco-fascists in the "green movement" is the day I give up playing new games.

The free market allows us to vote with our wallets and I won't be voting to give game companies more power over my purchases.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:27:09 PM

Jawknee if you have to stream games it will be because of big business cutting costs, not environmentalists.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:30:14 PM

Either way I won't be playing new games if the market goes in that direction.

Btw, I'm not worried that the Eco-fascists will force game companies to follow them back to the dark ages, I was just reaponding to CH1Nook's prediction. ;)

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CH1N00K
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:38:53 PM

Environmentalists may have been the wrong example, but I was just using it as an example. Big business is another one, There will be lots of things working together, but You can pretty much guarantee that the console will disappear eventually, I just don't think it's as soon as Jaffe thinks it will be.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:51:30 PM

Jawknee,
Agreed!

I also have a OnLive game streaming min-console in my collection.
And their requirements states that I only need a 5Mbs D/L minimum to play.

But nope.....my DSL is 7Mbs & I still can't even get into the Onlive site more than 2 times a month out of trying every single day.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:51:34 PM

Well, no one knows what the future holds. I just don't think console makers will ever stop making hardware. That's like predicting Apple will stop making iPhone's because one day it might/could be streamed to our brains. It's just a silly prediction in my opinion.

No offense of course. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:11:16 PM

I think you need at the least to have broadband internet in the hands of the greater majority of gamers before it's time to think about killing hardware. That alone is very far off, not to mention what would be needed to stream games that are generations ahead of what we have now.

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tes37
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:26:48 PM

They could be planning to get rid of all the people that don't have broadband. :O

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CH1N00K
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 1:29:05 AM

No offense taken, that's the beauty of discussion.. :D

And I'm not saying that they are going to completely get rid of hardware, they are just going to integrate it into other hardware.

That being said though, except for very few companies....there is no money in hardware. Companies in the hardware market most times sell their new hardware at a loss, but make a killing on the software.. Ask the guys at Atari, Sega or IBM about why they all do software now. Sony sold the PS3 at a loss for the first few years before they started turning a profit on it, yet they are still going? That's all software sales..... How did MS get started? They didn't make computers.....

If you're a company and you can find a way to take the biggest money sucker out of the equations...you've just created a license to print money

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CH1N00K
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 1:29:06 AM

No offense taken, that's the beauty of discussion.. :D

And I'm not saying that they are going to completely get rid of hardware, they are just going to integrate it into other hardware.

That being said though, except for very few companies....there is no money in hardware. Companies in the hardware market most times sell their new hardware at a loss, but make a killing on the software.. Ask the guys at Atari, Sega or IBM about why they all do software now. Sony sold the PS3 at a loss for the first few years before they started turning a profit on it, yet they are still going? That's all software sales..... How did MS get started? They didn't make computers.....

If you're a company and you can find a way to take the biggest money sucker out of the equations...you've just created a license to print money

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CH1N00K
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 1:54:52 AM

And like I said, I think Jaffe is off by how soon this will happen, but try and think how fast Internet connections will be in 10-15 years from now.....

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Kiryu
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:18:16 PM
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after seeing the last of us I dont know if we need another console generation.If devs invest time specifically on the ps3 they can make any game they want.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:25:14 PM

Meh...there was a time I thought FFX was the greatest looking game out there...now look at where we are.

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daus26
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:02:19 PM

Yeah, we can definitely go at least one more generation for power. I suspect it'll go as far as Disney Pixar movies. We've yet to see anything close to that other than Luminous Studio engine from SE.

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Knightzane
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:22:55 PM
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If the ps4 was the last then i would be fine hell, id be ok with my ps3 being the last. I really, really love my ps3 i have never spent so much time playing one system. Last gen i played my gamecube, xbox, and ps2 equally. As this gen came around i started on 360 (friends) and then bought a wii (zelda, metroid prime 3) and finally my ps3. My 360 quickly gathered dust as gears and halo got boring...fast. Then fable didn't grab my attention at all. My wii well... i rage so much at the damn controlls. My ps3 still has games i play daily and honestly if i had the ps3 for another 5 years i would be beyond content. Thats just my opinion but as far as the article goes, gamers will never allow their beloved consoles die. Xbox wont just vanish into the night. Wii wont just walk away hitching a ride to the next gen, and the playstation wont abandon what its done since 1994-5? Anyway i hope it doesn't happen.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:28:34 PM

I wouldn't be fine with any console being the last because that means they will stop making games for it eventually. You can only replay the same games so many times.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:25:44 PM
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Sorry but Jaffe keeps showing that he's out of touch. Even after the next generation is toast I still don't think there will be enough people with always-on internet to support growing numbers of gamers. You would cut out a huge market this way not to mention physical media gamers and older gamers. I think we will still be in a transition stage at that time where there is physical and digital content available.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:31:56 PM

I love God of War and Twisted Metal but Jaffe seems to come up with one bad idea after another this gen.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:46:12 PM

He also thinks story has no place in gaming.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:49:40 PM

Yup, that was just one of the many claims he's made that has started him down the path of irrelevance.

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daus26
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:04:08 PM

I think he is one of the folks that are buying into social, facebook games, as being the future.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:07:49 PM

I just read a report that Facebook games have peaked and are starting to slip fast.

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Cesar_ser_4
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:40:43 PM

Even nowadays you need to have an internet connection because there always has to be a "required update" for every single new game that comes out.

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ZettaiSeigi
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:43:19 PM

I honestly like David Jaffe. He came up with God of War and Twisted Metal, and he just says what he has in mind without trying to please everyone.

That said, he tweeted yesterday (or maybe the day before) that people should game browser games a chance. That may be fair, but he cannot really blame hardcore gamers for being leery of browser games. I mean, it's in a freaking browser!

And maybe I'm just mistaken, but aren't browser games synonymous to social stuff? I have Facebook and Twitter, but I do not really use them for gaming. Neither do I intend to. I have them only to connect with people I know. But when I want to play a game, I'd stick to my dedicated console or portable any time. Maybe a full-pledged PC game,but not one that requires me to play on a browser.

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:02:48 AM

"Even nowadays you need to have an internet connection because there always has to be a "required update" for every single new game that comes out."

This is false. Most games will still run without updates unless it's required for playing online in which case you will already have a connection. My friend hasn't had a home Internet connection in years, yet he's stil able to play all the latest(offline modes)games without updating them.

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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:53:09 AM

That's correct. The game would not even know that there's an update available if it has no means of connecting to the internet.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 1:08:34 AM

I gave browser games a chance, they sucked.

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ZettaiSeigi
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:42:00 PM
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I've already spent almost the entire day downloading Infamous 2 as part of the free games given to PS+ subscribers. Am I willing to wait that long to play a highly-anticipated game? Absolutely not! I'd rather step into a store, buy a physical copy of the game, go back home and enjoy my new game in minutes! So while this is generally the direction the industry is headed, it's still not applicable to everybody.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:48:42 PM

No kidding. I downloaded inFamous 2, R&C All4One and LBP2 just to have them on my drive and it ate up nearly 40gb of my allotted monthly bandwidth as well as 40gb on my hard drive, not to mention it took 15 hours to download.

Game companies are kidding themselves if they think consumers, not to mention ISP's are going to go for an all digital market.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:54:50 PM

What is your connection speed? I pay $35 for 20MB and I've never had an issue with long download times.

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daus26
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 10:58:19 PM

Cloud gaming? I'm not saying I want physical media to go away, but I think cloud gaming would resolve all the hdd and downloading problems. Of course, there's the problem on not being able to play games offline. *sigh*

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:06:11 PM

@LV, I get "up to" 20mbps but it still seems slower most days. It's certainly faster downloading from PSN than it was 2 years ago but it's still slower than I would like.

@deus, can't play games offline AND streaming might solve the HDD space and long download times but it doesn't solve the devouring of monthly bandwidth. I'm only allowed 250gb per month with my ISP and I almost go over every month between downloading music, movies, PSN/eShop games and streaming video. Also much of the time the streaming video quality isn't be in HD like its advertised due to connection hiccups and/or crowed usage times. I highly doubt they would be able to stream HD games in full HD anytime soon.

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ZettaiSeigi
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:38:56 PM

@LV: I'm on a shabby DSL connection topping at 3mbps. You see, over where I'm at (the Philippines), that's already considered a pretty good connection. Which brings us to another concern with the downloadable format. It's not for everyone. How much of the world has access to very fast, unthrottled, and unlimited internet access? I'm lucky enough not to be limited with how much I download a month, but I know ISPs that impose such restrictions on their customers.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 11:52:51 PM

@Philippines

I'm glad there is the internet to bring us together. I'm sorry to hear you're only using 3MB currently. My parents are on 1.5 DSL and they've been grandfathered into their contract because they're one of a few that has never wanted an upgrade in service.

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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:57:33 AM

Indeed, LV. Higher DSL speeds are now starting to be available over here. I actually just checked my ISP's site and they now ave a 15MB plan available. However, they're charging 150 USD per month for that!

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:07:20 AM
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I don't agree with Jaffe one bit here. This generation has been one of the biggest successes for both hardware and software ever. It's not going anywhere.

I like Jaffe a lot. I think he's smart and creative, but I also think he's an average business person. He's made some great games and worked with some of the best teams. But here's a guy that went from TM, and creating God of War to acting like games you play on the iPad or iPhone is the be all, of it all. Also heard he's going to start developing games for the iPad, don't know the truth behind that but... I have a hard time wondering if he's really into the business anymore, which makes me curious if thats why it's so easy for him to say this about consoles.

I don't know, but I don't agree. That's a first!

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THEVERDIN
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:16:59 AM
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Hey Jaffe go back to your mobile gaming. Does anybody really care what this guy says.

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Kevin5
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 2:10:47 AM
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Jaffe: The next generation of consoles will be the last.

In your opinion Jaffe, in your opinion :)

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 2:18:31 AM
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To me, the interviews I read with Jaffa usually sounds like your average Joe on the street thinking out loud. Now, being relatively new on he console scene I didn't know who he was until the name started popping up in the articles at this site, so that obviously plays a role here.

But to me his words are just as interesting as "five on the street" type columns in newspapers.

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PSN French
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 2:30:50 AM
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This is very much possible. I use Music Unlimited for my music, Netflix for my movies and TV shows... Although, I'm a little more hardcore with my gaming, I think it's a big possibility that this could eventually happen (and sooner than 10 years as far as I'm concerned). The only difference is, can I log into my account on a friend's tv? I have brought my system with me when I travel back to my home town because I know all my old friends will get together and play some Mortal Kombat or Dynasty Warriors. Depending on how it's handled.... It's VERY likely!!

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Abubakar996
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 3:11:40 AM
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My friend Jaffe, they can try that in the US but not other parts of the world.The cost of internet data is high, it will cost u three times d price of a game or more.Physical media it is, if not we get our entertainment elsewhere

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 5:57:48 AM

Within the time frame he speaks of here, who are quite a few years into the future (after the PS4, remember) you need to include a much, much larger part of the world than just the USA.

In the part of the world I live in (Norway, northern Europe) unrestricted DL connections are pretty much the norm today.
Simply put data traffic is included, you only pay for the bandwidth a fixed sum a month, and pretty fast connections too (typically somewhere between 10-80 mbps).
So, in 10 years time I would not be surprised if we talk of at least the entire western world and a good share of the eastern industrialized world too.

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Crabba
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 3:29:11 AM
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There are just so many different problems with this scenario it just doesn't sound even plausible at all.

Streaming via your TV? Sure, then what? Where do you plug in your gamepads, or move controllers, or whatever controllers might be around in 10 years...

Streaming the video, sure internet speeds might be fast enough to do that in 10 years, but what about control/responsiveness? It takes direct hardware access between your controller and console to get 30/60fps responsiveness with low enough latency for controls to feel tight and not laggy, and we're supposed to believe that internet access speeds in the next 10 years will transform to the extreme of having the same access time as direct RAM? I don't think so.

Then again this is the guy who's all about browser based games and stuff like that nowadays right? So if that's his idea of the future of gaming, then yeah it makes a lot more sense, but that has nothing to do with replacing consoles...

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Highlander
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 11:02:09 AM

Internet speeds are high enough to handle the streaming already. but the inherent network lag will not be waved away by gigabit speed access. Even optical fiber to the home doesn't help because even in the home there is the lag induced by the hop from the broadband modem to the router and the router to the gaming device/TV. Routed networks and networks protected by perimeter defenses will always have lag.

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Crabba
Friday, June 15, 2012 @ 3:06:38 PM

Well current internet speeds may be high enough to stream compressed 720p video, but hardly enough to stream high-quality 1080p video, like blu-ray 30-50mbps quality, and that's not going to happen any time soon for the mainstream.

And even when that milestone is eventually reached, still wouldn't fix the lag-issues and many others.

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Edito
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 5:41:04 AM
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Im so tired of Jaffe i used to like him... but don't know what happened to him...

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___________
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 6:26:26 AM
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dunno about next gen being the last, i honestly cant see next gen systems lasting 10+ years!
its much more likley for next gen systems to be the last popularized ones, where traditional means are the most used.
than the generation after that it will be more evenly split.
those who say its never going to come are kidding themselves!
they said the same thing with music, and movies!
they said steve jobs was crazy when he came out and introduced itunes and introduced the same pricing model no matter which song it is!
and now its the industry standard to how we buy music, and has been for some time!
games will be the same, it might take longer than what music and movies did, but it certainly will happen!
when is anyones guess, but i think 10 years is a bit soon.
its going to take allot longer than 10 years for the services to get into place, technology to get up to speed, and especially ISPs getting required services to every nook and cranny across planet earth!
thats the main problem, some areas like japan have access to the technology now.
99% of the world however does not, and wont for a long, long time!
definitely not a case of if, but when.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 9:06:33 AM
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Yeah, but Jaffe has done all sorts of strange things this year. I've already felt for a bit he's losing his touch. Hard to see how this isn't anything other than confirmation of that.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 1:23:28 PM

I agree with that 100%.

I have been thinking the same thing for a while now.

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telly
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 10:19:13 AM
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It's a matter of convenience of economics, I think. Some people are really confident we're going to see internet speeds increase exponentially in the next few years, that they will essentially be like cable TV -- seamless, instant, always connected, etc. That's what would make streaming so appealing for pretty much everything. I think we're headed in that direction for sure, I'm just not so confident it's coming that soon.

But make no mistake, if TVs in 10 years come with a DualShock 5 controller, and there's a PlayStation button on the remote you can push to access a seamless store of games for purchases and demos the same way we access On Demand stuff now, no question that's what damn near everyone will choose to do. It'll save money, reduce clutter, and best of all you don't ever have to leave the couch!

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 10:34:24 AM

Then there's the issue of how high a percentage of people are. Once new technology comes out, it's almost always at LEAST 5 years before it becomes the norm. One of my friends who lives in the middle of nowhere JUST this past year finally got access to high speed internet and for the first time doesn't just have dial-up.

I live in a city now and before that in a decent sized township, so I've had it for well over a decade.

I'm just saying, even if streaming becomes that fast and that connected, how much longer after we see it happen does it finally become accessible for most people? I think that supports your stance on Jaffe's claim taking much longer than he thinks it will.

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telly
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 1:45:10 PM

Good points Underdog.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 10:59:20 AM
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Jaffe and all the others are missing something important that may not be a factor for their games. Network lag. Streamed games all suffer a certain amount of inherent lag. That inherent lag is even larger for wireless devices because of the way WiFi works.

For any game that uses real time controls or where reaction times matter, lag is an extremely important thing. All Internet based services have a certain amount of inherent lag, even when the network is operating at optimum efficiency. There's no getting away from that.

So, there is no way that streamed games, especially games that are run remotely with the video being streamed back to the player, are going to work for any genre that uses reaction times and/or real time controls.

This idea that consoles will disappear seems to assume either a magical technology to eradicate network lag, or the absolute death of game genre that depend on lag free controls.

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matt99
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:29:10 PM

I agree, I still can't play a session of CoD or Battlefield without cursing lag.
Also even if they were able to counter the lag (I know very little about the internet and how it works so I don't know if that's even possible) there are many places in the world including North America, that have very poor internet access and by making games internet only they'd be losing a lot of potential customers.

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wiley_kyotee
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 5:09:27 PM

I agree. Also, what happens when they roll out super HD TVs (or whatever thet are going to be named)? When I stream HD movies now I can sometimes experience random pauses. Will super HD fully interactive games be able to be streamed? Current consoles can't even run games at 1080p / 60fps. Will developers have to lower resolutions and frame rates to make streaming work? Will we go back to PS2 visual quality in streamed games?

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firesoul453
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 11:24:56 AM
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I've been telling people for years that the next generation will definitely be the last (atleast for a very long time)

Its clear to me where everything is heading and if the next gen last as long as this gen then it will be the last

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Highlander
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 11:46:00 AM

So, you have a magical solution to network lag?

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firesoul453
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:32:53 PM

Not at all! And I will definitely be one of those people fighting to keep disk based no internet required games.

But its amazing how much the internet has evolved in speed and in accessibility in the past 10 or so years and by the time this generation is over and the next is over, well I have no reason to believe that you average person with access to technology will also have access to fast enough interent for this to work.

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Crabba
Friday, June 15, 2012 @ 3:16:34 PM

For you maybe, personally I have basically the same DSL internet speeds now that I did 10 years ago!! And I live in one of the most populated areas in the country.

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matt99
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 12:39:28 PM
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Jeez, as much as I love many of the ways in which the internet has enhanced gaming I miss just being able to pop in a game and play without a bunch of things popping up asking me to connect or download something. And I'd NEVER want gaming to come to a point where I can't even play single player without an internet connection (I'm looking at YOU Diablo). That to me would be the end of gaming as we know it...and if that day comes I will shed a single 8-bit tear in honor of the good ol' days.

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The CEO
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 2:42:02 PM
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Considering most ISPs have already started bandwidth caps with more preparing to do the same I would say he is wrong.

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Crabba
Friday, June 15, 2012 @ 3:30:36 PM

Exactly, not only have internet speeds hardly increased in the last 10 years, but for a lot of people (not me luckily) they have even imposed MORE restrictions that people didn't have back then, like bandwidth limits which for some people are insanely low. Imagine that all that's basically because they think there are too many people downloading some music & low-quality video.

It's amazing what some people expect in improvements from internet infrastructure in just the next 10 years, if they seriously think that we will go from 2mbps bandwidth restricted speeds to speeds where hundreds of millions of people can suddenly simultaneously download and even seemlessly stream 1080p video at 30-50+mbps compressed (or whatever higher quality will be the standard in 10 years from now). Now that's one HUGE step for mankind...

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 14, 2012 @ 3:58:06 PM
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I think the "last" is ridiculous. But I don't think it's far fetched to see the next-gen of consoles as being the last of it's kind before some other model sub-plants, replaces, or changes the way we think about gaming at home.

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Tanker9111
Monday, June 18, 2012 @ 2:34:14 PM
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i dont know about everyone else here but thus far i prefer, and many others prefer a ACTUAL copy of the game, movie etc in their hands. It may take space, but theirs no DL required, and we all know that the internet isnt super fast ALL the time, and NOt ALWAYS THERE. This would basically destroy games just like Diablos "single" player is. Impossible without connectivity. Some offline games i would imagine would stay offline, but updates will always come and new games wont always be acessable

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Sivakis
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 @ 9:33:28 AM
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Thank god for fibre-optic! Bring it on I say :D

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