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Did Sony Win E3, Or Did Microsoft Lose It?

I think I know what Sony's thinking right now: "Man, that was just way too easy."

I mean, if you really stop to consider the situation, Sony didn't necessarily do anything special to steal the reigns from Microsoft at E3 this year. So it begs the question - and it's a question sports journalists ask all the time - was E3 won by the victor (clearly Sony) or lost by the unfortunate loser (Microsoft)?

Sony appears to have Microsoft at every turn but in truth, it's not really because Sony is doing anything drastically different than what they've done before. They'll still give us great exclusive software, we'll still have a wide variety of games (does the Xbox One have any games that don't involve shooting?), and we've got the same rights we had before. You know, none of this DRM or online requirement crap. Heck, if you want to be pessimistic, we didn't see that many new AAA exclusives at Sony's conference, and the fact that we'll need to pay to play online (via PlayStation Plus) is a definite downer.

Honestly, if that's all Sony went in with, one could easily see Microsoft matching or even surpassing that. But it's amazing how badly they've misjudged everything going into this generation. They're pissing people off left and right and remember, they're going into this generation as top dog in the US. Now, you're hard pressed to find anyone who would take the Xbox One over the PS4. In fact, even those who had fully intended to own both consoles are second-guessing themselves. I know I was pretty well convinced I'd have both systems but right now, you couldn't pay me to have an Xbox One. Okay, that isn't true. But I wouldn't pay for it.

The sheer amount of restrictions, regulations and mandates boggles the mind, and I'm really not surprised that Australia has already labeled it a "surveillance device." Throw in other factors, such as multiple developers saying the PS4 has far more potential (50% more, according to some estimations), a $100 cheaper price tag as compared to the new Xbox, and an upgradeable hard drive, and this becomes a rout. But again, outside of introducing a much cheaper machine than many expected, I'm not sure Sony had to do much to win this year. They just sat back and watched with consternation as Microsoft served this generation up on a silver platter.

Of course, I'm not about to make lengthy predictions. But heading into this holiday season, Microsoft better have some sort of highly effective damage control plan. Because if they don't, Sony will just take the ball Microsoft dropped and run with it.

Tags: sony, playstation 4, ps4, microsoft, xbox one, next generation

6/11/2013 10:40:51 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (85 posts)

Comic Shaman
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:08:14 PM
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I don't think we've ever seen such a catastrophic performance with a console launch as Microsoft achieved with the X1. They'll be dealing with the shockwaves from this incredible belly-flop for a long time.

Sony did what they needed to do, which was position themselves squarely on the other side of the debate regarding MS's anti-consumer practices, and threw in a $100 price differential for good measure.

Microsoft will be be doing damage control after this for months. A terrible start for this generation of XBox.

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MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 9:21:06 AM

I can't agree with you more with anything related to Microsoft. They are probably in the beginning stages of redesigning their XB1,so maybe we will see it in a few years or so. Now Sony in the other hand did exactly what you said they positioned themselves right were the consumer wanted them. Which is good but I have a feeling that they had other plans in mind but like I said its just my opinion.

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godsman
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 9:59:56 AM

Remember that the console does not release in a couple months. If they start cutting price to 399, Sony cant go 349. One thing that M$ will always be the upperhand is their wallet size. They released the most defective console in all electronics history and patched it up with money. 360 "lead" in sales until recently.

The Xbone is made of cheaper materials, theres no way that extra camera cost more than the 100 difference. They have room to cut. If they start giving out money, the senseless gamers will forgive them.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:10:27 PM
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Eh, means the same either way to me. Haha

I'm not sure what MS was thinking when they made this console. It's like they thought this was a new windows os and people would just shut up and take whatever it is and deal with it. Does anyone even own a Windows Phone?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:15:54 PM

To quote the man on stage addressing the woman on stage he fought in Killer Instinct "Relax, just let it happen..."

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kokoro
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:23:23 PM

lmao@world's comment

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Kryten1029a
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:24:14 PM

I have a Lumia 820 and it works rather well; I'm pretty pleased by it. The basic idea of using a single interface across all devices is not unsound, but they've just really badly executed with regards to Xbone.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:49:43 PM

Relax, don't do it. When you want to go do it.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:22:45 AM

World wins the internets.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 2:00:32 AM

And the interwebs! :)

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SirLoin of Beef
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 9:05:28 AM

I'm rather fond of my Windows phone.

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darthadv
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:12:12 PM
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I get the argument that publishers are losing money with used game sales, some of which usually gets reinvested into new IPs or the next iterations of popular ones, but MS's approach came across as very heavy-handed. I'm not sure if I read it here or somewhere else, but didn't Sony apparently have used game DRM software ready to go and decided to pull it after consumer feedback? The MS approach was/is very overreaching, so they did play a part in shooting themselves in the foot, but credit Sony with knowing to pick their battles, such as the used game issue. The price just put them over the top.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:13:01 PM
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The Sony conference was pretty mediocre so I'd say MS lost it for themselves, MS actually had the better presentation with all the exclusives they bought but DRM and the price point for Xbox One makes that not matter.

Sony needed to bring less multiplat games like Last Guardian, an update on Agent, a tease for whatever the other half of Naughty Dog has been up to, and just a couple minutes on the games coming to PS3 for JRPG lovers.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:38:54 AM

Dude, they had KH3. I don't even care if its multiplat, they had it :D

Stupid MGSV, go enjoy your MS $$$$ Kojima-san!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 2:01:28 AM

Well I suppose I should mention it's my opinion and I don't like Disney, even if you mix it with FF.

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bldudas1
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:04:08 AM

But JRPGs usually get announced at the Tokyo Games Show, not E3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:45:56 AM

That's the beauty of it, these have already been announced.

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Kryten1029a
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:21:56 PM
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Microsoft has been shooting themselves in the foot over and over and over again this year. The whole Adam Orth matter exploded and they said nothing. Then they spend their reveal focusing on live television, sports and Call of Duty (going for the Dudebro demographic) and sending their executives out to give the press contradictory information. Before E3, they seemingly were playing it by ear and constantly hitting sour notes.
Even at that, if they'd listened to the outcry and made some positive changes then they could have won back at least some of the goodwill they lost, but they didn't. It was just a matter of "We mentioned the hardware before and here are some games." I know that they're panicked but I don't think they even grasp how shaky things are for them.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:24:01 PM
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I doubt Microsoft even care, know why?
CoD baby, that thing will sell the Xbox One.

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Troy Powers
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 4:16:33 AM

I don't think it will be difficult for people to figure out that they can play CoD for $100 cheaper on the PS4.

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kokoro
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:25:32 PM
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Is anyone else confused as to why the XOne is only $50 more expensive than the PS4 here in Australia? (PS4 retailing at $550, XOne at $600)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:40:19 PM

Because nothing makes sense in Australia.

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 3:39:33 AM

Australia tax. We're getting taken advantage of by both systems. For some reason the mark up just isn't AS high for the xbox at this moment though.

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/06/11/double-surprise-sony-hikes-aussie-ps4-prices/

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Gordo
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:42:28 AM

It's called a "rounding error".

The average Australian has a sheep farm in the back paddock so they can afford to pay a little bit extra for a quality product!

I too can't wait to pay my share. $700 a week rent in Sydney so a PS4 is cheap!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:47:16 AM

You guys keep MS fans in the back of your farms?

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:11:33 PM

Jesus Gordo, what part of Sydney are you living in?

It's only $400/week on average in my area.....

But yeah, there really isn't much explanation for Sony to hike the price for the PS4, MAYBE if their consoles are being shipped in from a different local to the Xbone, but I doubt it.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:26:26 PM
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As the photo in your article states...

This game is easy.

Sony.

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bluedarrk
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:29:00 PM
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I think MS was trying to bring it with their exclusives and try and make everyone forget about the DRM thing and always online. I think Sony played it safe and didn't want to show all of their cards at E3. We have tons a new exclusives coming like The Last Guardian and Uncharted 4. Sony Santa Monica has to be working on a new God of War or new IP. I'm also convinced that that Sony Bend Studios is working on Syphon Filter. Sony just sat back and watched MS shoot themselves in the foot. Also, what do you think the Xbox One's sales will be outside the U.S.?

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JackDillinger89
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 11:35:35 PM
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"Did Sony win E3?"
YES
"Or did microsoft lose it?"
YES
"Does anyone even want an xbox one now?"
NO!

Unfortunatly ben microsoft dropped the ball already and sony already brought it home.

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KidPresentable
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 12:07:01 AM
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Hearts and minds- Sony
Games- Microsoft

Hearts and minds are what it's about, so Sony definitely won this titanic confrontation. But MS showed a great lineup while Sony showed 95% of multiplats and timed exclusives. With all those multiplats, I wonder which the publishers Microsoft supposedly 'paid off'. Seriously.

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KidPresentable
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 12:08:01 AM

Best game of the show so far: Xenoblade 2. Looks AMAZING!!!

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 12:51:10 AM

me thinks kojima.

youre right it does look good. art reminds me of ffx + xii. i think i might get a wii u early next year for the party/motion games and rpgs. so far xenoblade series is boosting the list but still need moarrr

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:24:54 AM

I don't agree, and I can't agree. Seriously I don't see ANYTHING that excites me about the Xbone games lineup they showed off.

Can someone please exaplin to me what exclusives they showed?

And Halo doesn't count, seriously it doesn't. They just played one trailer, the game hasn't even been named, and hasn't been confirmed that it's even in development. They just said "hey guys, don't forget about Halo, it will come out on the Xbone one day, so just remember that when you buy your PS4"

Sony should have just finished their conference with the Uncharted 4 logo, and then gave NO information at all about it for another year.

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KidPresentable
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 3:42:41 AM

Ryse, Quantum Break, Forza 5, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct(Free to PAY? Boooooo!) , Titanfall( next gen console exclusive, I think), Crimson Dragon, D4, Dead Rising 3 off the top of my head. The Halo teaser did say it was coming in 2014. Nothing wrong with a teaser, is there? You're probably going dislike all of those so you wouldn't be interested, but I am.

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SmokeyPSD
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 3:49:23 AM

A great line up of games, which I will be able to play anyway without a xbox one, free from restriction. Paying Kojima off for him to show his face does not count as the game having any sort of intrinsic tie to a system, never has, never will.

I will never be interested in what Xbox offers that is actually "exclusive", which is just game after game for the masculine, immature, male fantasy demographic of endlessly infantile shooters and unyielding militarism.

Dudebro to me should be a minority in demographic.

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Simcoe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 9:53:17 AM

Sony hasn't revealed all their exclusives. Sony even said during the E3 presentation that they'll have 20 exclusive games (including 12 or 13 new IP's) releasing in the first year of the PS4. MS may have revealed their entire deck at E3, but remember that there still is Gamescom in August and the Tokyo Game Show in September.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:24:19 AM

The presentation certainly didn't show all the PS4 exclusives on tap. Furthermore, the current list of exclusives for the PS4 looks like this, especially since you're counting games on the Xbox One that will also be on PC-

Killzone: Shadow Fall
inFamous: Second Son
DriveClub
Knack
The Order: 1886
The Witness
Daylight
Warframe
War Thunder
PlanetSide 2
DC Universe Online

This is, of course, without the impending automatics, like Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo and whatever that Dark Sorcerer game from Quantic Dream is, along with whatever Media Molecule is working on. That's also not mentioning all the indie games shown off at Sony's press conference that will debut exclusively on the PSN.

You can keep thinking Xbox is "all about the games," my biased friend. You can keep ignoring the fact that Xbox has NEVER - and will NEVER - have the same first-party quality and innovation Sony has always had. You really can. Nobody with a brain is going to agree.

While you're at it, just keep ignoring what everyone has been hating Microsoft for, which has nothing to do with games. I notice you keep sidestepping that in promoting your precious Microsoft. To imply that people who like "games" would go with the Xbox One is so unbelievably absurd and ignorant, it's difficult for me to imagine you as anything but a Microsoft plant to "spread the good word."

Btw, I've yet to see you post in any topic that didn't involve Microsoft. You had nothing to say during Sony's press conference, of course. And of course, it's because you've never had any intention of doing anything but buying Microsoft's next system.

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:02:45 PM

And this-
http://www.psu.com/a019829/PS4-Titanfall-definitely-not-out-of-the-question-says-dev

Doesn't sound like a permanent exclusive to me.

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KidPresentable
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:56:04 PM

I did comment that the video in game sharing Sony released was hilarious. But the overlords here in Redmond caught wind of it. My rations have been reduced because of it.

As for buying an Xbox One, I don't need to since I already have one. It's watching me........

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:15:26 PM

Thanks for that list Ben, I wasn't bothered to go and research it on the net.

That really is a freakin' sexy line up of exclusives already. The Order looked intriguing, 100% reminds me of the anime Chrono Crusade, which was pretty awesome.

Ben delivered a total smackdown too btw. haha.

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CrusaderForever
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 12:28:44 AM
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Sony destroyed Microsoft because they understand what makes their gaming division successful. Today on Gamestop, Microsoft stated "Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360," Mattrick said. "If you have zero access to the Internet, that is an offline device."!!!!! Can you believe he actually said that?! It's amazing! In the same article Mattrick said that the XBONE will be the product gamers will love and embrace after they know it's advantages once they USE it!!!! Microsoft you are suppose to tell us those advantages to help us make a buying decision. This is a company that is totally out of touch with the gamer and feels privileged. They also act like they came in first in the current gen when they are actually last. What a bizarre string of events!

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 12:33:02 AM
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not really that clean cut. none of the conferences were astounding - with any major new exclusives being missing and all. still so many people will get xbox one because they like the features and what it provides them. ive got a level-headed mate getting one because he wants his gamerscore to carry over. microsofts gaming division know what theyre doing and theyre very sneaky like that. and hey some people even love the games microsoft came out with who wouldve thought? it beats sonys amount but i have negative interest in all of them - even the beautiful ryse.

theres still big debates about the future of gaming regarding DRM and its quite interesting hearing opinions from all sides with still no clear dominance (do we want consumers to win > devs hurt || or do we still believe the important rule that devs need consumers != consumers need devs etc). at the end of the day ps4 still wins by righthook knockout but from a misstep by xbox one.

just happy the ps4 is getting pre-order numbers it will undoubtedly deserve and am immediately getting one once NZ comes out with any bundles

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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:00:03 AM
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I think Sony did do something special by not taking the digital age bait. I'm sure it was very tempting to take advantage of online connectivity and where we're headed with all of this 'cloud' crap. It's great that they were able to say 'no' where they could have very well have just gone along with it right along side MS. Console gamers would just have to had lived with it.

here's another take on a somewhat similar perspective
http://kotaku.com/so-far-next-gen-is-being-won-by-crap-you-can-already-d-512602529

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:27:59 AM
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http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoft

Just read that one article, and your minds will be made up. I know mine is, I will not consider a Xbone purchase, no matter what. Just simply because of the sheer arrogance from MS. I will not give my business to a company that speaks about its customers with such disrespect!

EDIT: Hey where the hell is _______ during all this? he was full on Xbone fanboy.

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PC_Max
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:35:27 AM
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I think Sony came ahead even with the glitches with the Ubisoft games and Destiny. MS had some problems as well. I put it down to what was shown was just buggy demos. I honestly think with whats been happening since Feb, all the studios and console bosses have been rushing to get as much as they can for E3... without extensive testing.

Some fanboys on both side blame the hardware failing on their "opponents side". Whatever. From what I heard the new Assassin Creed is still development and it has also been said.. buggy.

Regardless, I think MS saved themselves... a little, but their presentation was business like and to my thinking... talked AT the audience as opposed to what Sony did which was to talk TO the audience and gamers. MS did not pickup in energy until Halo showed up. Must be an exclusive. :/

I give Sony a bow for being more personage and talking to the gamers directly.

NOW, once E3 is done... the real suff starts to happen. I am sure we will be seeing more trailers for games, hear about additional exclusives... and probably more surprise games. And Xmas bundles I am sure with games.

Have to say I am interested in "The Order" and to see where it goes. Looks like a bit of Steam Punk and I have been waiting for a game like that. Hopefully that will be a big game for next year.

Keep Playing!

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:40:17 AM

Hahahaha. I was rofling @ the Assassins Creed game freezes. All I could think was "Looks like Ubi never quite fixed that engine of theirs, even for next-gen".

They remind me of Activision.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:39:36 AM
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It's both. Sony *could* have done so insanely much worse.
With the economic situation they are in they *could* have fallen for the temptation to milk the used games market more, they could have inserted restrictions and nickel'n'dimed us from here to eternity in all sorts of sneaky ways.

I was worried they would. When we heard about the Xbone I did not dare to *fully* celebrate, cause in fact we had not heard if not Sony had something similar waiting to be unveiled.

So we got the mandatory Plus membership now. That sucks. But it could have been much, much worse. It could have been like the Xbone.
And on TOP of all that we also got the best hardware, a machine that will give the exclusives that extra layer of shine, and a workhorse that will unleash many a great game concept out there that's just waiting to be realized.

It will never - NEVER - be a question if we get the lesser version of any game again. Never, ever. We can put all that behind us. No more sore feelings and whining over "lazy devs" and embarrassing explanations from Sony about "hidden powers", no more of that sh*t.

The road ahead is blindingly clear and sunny. Man, this is a great day.

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BattleFox21
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 6:44:32 AM

THis was my exact thinking. Couldn't have said it better myself, in fact, I have been searching for the way to explain it and here it is thx you took the words from my mouth.

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Knightzane
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 2:20:57 AM
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They told a fan that if they don't like the xbox one to buy a 360. I found that HILARIOUS. their in denial they did so bad. they werent ready at all for this generation and now, their panicking.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 2:57:42 AM

Who told who that?

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 3:44:10 AM

its confirmed news in other sites like ign and shtuff. think it was from interview

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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 4:26:47 AM

Notice the snarky dismissivenes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzmVcasl3ZU

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BattleFox21
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 6:47:33 AM

World it was on Gametrailers an interview with Don (M$ guy)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:46:22 AM

What a d-bag

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Comic Shaman
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:05:51 AM

The quote is this:

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Microsoft’s Don Mattrick has addressed concerns about the compulsory connectivity requirements of Xbox One.

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360," said Mattrick.
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I'm astonished by the belligerent, tone-deaf attitude that Microsoft has been showing since the announcement of the X1.


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Kryten1029a
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 5:03:18 PM

Never mind the link I provided above. They've already gotten their lapdogs at Viacom to issue a copyright strike about it. So, on top of disabling comments in their own Youtube videos, they have to get their friends to suppress truthful, unedited statements from their own execs!

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:57:02 PM

The youtube video is still in the PSX forum if you want to see it. It's in the E***********3 thread in GD.

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Balz
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 4:28:46 AM
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I thought both consoles lost. Neither one came out on top after those horrendous briefings. That had to be the worse E3 I watched. FXIII Vrs is now FXV? Most anticipated game I saw was KH3/1.5. I figure EA will now have to add their online pass back to PS4 as they are way too greedy to have DRM on only half their sales and you know that's why they dropped the online pass to begin with before sony backed out. Hardware wise on both systems they both look exactly the same and you would only see a difference on an exclusive title.

I think it is funny that people always bashed paid xbox live, but now that ps4 will make you pay too it's ok because PS4 is better. Playstation Plus membership cards are never on sale at most times and you can always find xbox live cards for around $30.

The E3 briefings this year left more questions then answers from both companies and neither wins. Sony was trying to make the best console and Microsoft was trying to create a better media center. In the end they both play the exact same games and I have no clue what exclusive for which system anymore.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 5:42:02 AM

"I think it is funny that people always bashed paid xbox live, but now that ps4 will make you pay too it's ok"

I've not seen many that think this is "ok". In fact I've only seen the opposite.

But both platforms has it now. So it has become the standard in console gaming we just can't avoid. Either pay to get online, or don't buy a console. That's the status quo come next gen.

Personally I hate it. It is nonsense. The only way I can justify this to myselfis to see it merely as a paydown on the quite cheap gaming machine I after all get to buy.

But again - I don't think it is "ok" at all.


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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:08:50 AM

(Pasted from a previous article because I'm lazy *cough* efficient)

But what exactly would you be paying for with the online pass? Since you're already paying to play online, it'd be nothing more than paying for the authentication code.

By the way, since no-one's said it, it really f****** sucks that you can't play online for free. Sony are alienating a lot of people who are used to how they've handled things with the PS3, including me.

Everybody is lauding sony & slating Microsoft for their respective buisness practises regarding DRM (used games, 24 hour check-up). That when you buy a game for Xbox One you are, essentially, buying something with a used by date, because they can't keep the servers going for the 24 hour check-up forever.

But guess what? That's EXACTLY what Sony do with PS+; the moment you aren't able to renew your subscription e.g. when they turn off the servers, you can't access your bought games. Sure, Sony COULD do a goodwill gesture & let you keep your games when that happens, but they've said nothing of the sort. This is the one reason I don't get PS+ now - but it's a pretty big one. And a lot of people overlook it, while slating Microsoft for only letting you buy the 'license' to play the game.

I'd like to add this also a reason I'll be sticking with PS3, and won't be getting a PS4.

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big6
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:03:52 AM

I don't agree with the requirement to have a Live account or PS+ for online, but that's just the direction the world is moving towards.

The reason why people aren't super mad at Sony for going this route is because it's still cheaper and better service than Live. Even Microsoft had to start offering free games with Live accounts to match PS+.

The next-gen requirements are evil for sure, but at least Sony is taking the position of the lesser of the evils - as it has with the PS3/XB360, the gen before.

Let's fast-forward to next, next gen:
So when the XB2 and PS5 come out, Microsoft will require full-time network connection, higher Live fee, and your first born child.
Then Sony will implement once-every-24hr online checks, no used games.

See what I'm getting at?

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PoopsMcGee
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 1:32:58 PM

Not to mention that Sony is ONLY putting online gameplay behind the psplus firewall.

As opposed to MS putting EVEN NETFLIX (hey I already paid for that!) behind the firewall.

I'm a PSplus subscriber already, but I only occasionally play online multiplayer so I'd personally like the option to cut the monthly fees and just suffer the online if I needed to (due to job loss, medical emergencies, the world starts crumbling, zombie invasion, etc.) and not be stuck with a useless box...

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trumpetmon65
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 4:45:27 AM
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sony has been catching up to microsoft ever since it lauched the ps3 and that was while everything else sony owned was swirling down the toilet. I think people are just realizing that sony does it best, and that 400 dollar price tag is certainly helping.

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Wrote
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 5:24:00 AM
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Sony only won coz of the no drm and the price. Everything they showed that wasn't 1st party was on xbone including ff15 and kh3. I'm still getting a ps4 over a 1 but come on. They played it safe.

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___________
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 6:24:04 AM
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right, so the company who had no real surprises (a game FINALLY being shown off 6 years after reveal, and a much needed revival were not really the bomb shells you expect at E3!) had a much better showing than the company who revealed:
LocoCycle
Titanfall
dead rising 3
D4
project spark
minecraft
killer instinct
sunset overdrive
HALO
and black tusks new game, well one of 4, and it looks oh my god amazing!

that beats the press conference which revealed FFXV which is not really a reveal because its versus XIII $E just renamed it.
KH3 which was inevitable, especially after all the people screaming about the constant portable releases.
only reveal which was remotely surprising was mad max, but that was not surprising either because avalanche have been rumoured to be working on it for months!
and ready at dawns title, while looking awesome, details leaked about that ages ago as well.

so heaps of announcements, and actually surprising announcements loses to few and predictable.
christ, next gen is stuck in opposite land!
the media was run by xbots this gen, looks like next gen its going to be run by a bunch of pstards!

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 7:05:42 AM

Thank you.

Thank you for showing all of us here that there are actually stupid people out there that would seemingly turn against Sony, because of the Xbox One.

I think your the only PS fan that is going Xbox next-gen though, so have a cookie for that, and enjoy that cookie, because it's the only cookie you'll ever get.

It's really surprising too, because your in Australia, and we are one of the countries that will get gimped on all of the XBone's features.

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 7:17:28 AM

cheers for that list of games i was unaware of a couple, pretty neat.

are we still including pure exclusives? because two are on pc and one will probs be timed. PCs shouldnt be left out so we shouldnt include any of ps4s acquired indie games since theyre all pc

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 7:20:13 AM

and from nz :) should we all meet up in about an hour somewhere round the tasman?

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Beamboom
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 7:30:24 AM

Dude, we don't even talk about the games. It's not the subject at all. We talk about the machines, the hardware, the services, the restrictions, the whole package.

You need to raise your head up from the lineup and look at the horizon. The totality. *That's* what we are all talking about. Not if this or that title looked awesome.

The games will come. For both. That much is certain. The Xbox platform will still be large enough to be included in all multiplat releases. And the muliplats will totally dominate the release schedule next gen, even more so than it has this gen.

There will also be good exclusives for both platforms the coming years. Maybe even more Xbox exclusives than we are used to, due to sheer market pressure: It's all they got left to show for on their console now.

But we talk about the total picture. That is what every commentator out there is talking about too. Not if Titanfall looked cool: It did. Not if Halo might be good: It might. But the totality. The *whole* picture.


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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:31:22 AM

Let's look at the list of games you said.

Let's look at the sheer amount of consumer backlash in regards to the Xbone.

Based on that comparison alone, how long do you think it will be until those developers jump ship and make their games multiplat?

Putting all your chips on the team that is losing by far, is the same as throwing them awway completely, and devs aren't stupid. When the consumers vote with their wallets, we will see what really happens.

Let's compare the current gen exclusives from both Sony and MS.

Sony: Killzone, Gran Turismo, inFamous, Uncharted, Last of Us, LittleBigPlanet, etc
MS: Gears, Forza, Halo.

At this point in time, even though Sony hasn't shown off all of it's exclusives, Sony's exclusives are ones that WILL stay over time. MS had to create a new team to make sure Halo stayed alive, because Bungie wanted to leave MS and go Multiplat. That was Bungie..... the one developer that is automatically associated with MS. I'd also like to mention that so far, the development community has reacted with great excitement and anticipation for the PS4, while they have remained silent on the Xbone.

P.S Sony's Jack Tretton has stated there will be 20 exclusive games in Year 1, and an additional 40 exclusive experiences from Multiplats in Year 1.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:41:18 AM

@Banky A

Jeez mate, didn't know you were from New Zoiland. Bloody good show chap.

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Gordo
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 8:51:58 AM

Thanks blank! Thought for a scary moment you were going to get all fluffy and positive on us! Glad the anger is back... We all miss it!

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___________
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 12:05:33 PM

we dont even talk about the games?
then whats E3 for?
the WHOLE point of E3 is to have big game announcements, one company did that, one did not.
simple as that.
M$ was mclaren and turned up to the geneva motor show to unveil their new supercar.
$ony is Ferrari, and they turned up to the geneva motor show to unveil their new leggo collection.
who is going to generate the most hype and excitement?

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KidPresentable
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 2:06:57 PM

Yes, blank, I was also under the impression that this was an E3 discussion. Now you got people bringing up games that weren't announced or shown. Befuddling, to say the least. Now if the question is which system has more potential to deliver the best gaming experience then without a shadow of a doubt, it's the PlayStation 4. Oh no, they've sounded the alarms!

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big6
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 3:26:43 PM

Sony came out and addressed the BIGGEST issue at hand. That is, Used Games and DRM. If they had come out and just presented games and ignoring the important issue, then everyone would be trashing them for that - especially you guys!

They could have given teasers for sure-things like God of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, etc. but everyone *knows* they are there and they are exclusive to the console. Having Sony not explicitly mention them at E3 doesn't meant they aren't coming.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 9:17:08 PM

Wait...people are still taking what Blank Line says seriously?

I mean, I thought we'd all just assumed he was a totally irrational - although highly amusing - lunatic.

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___________
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:18:14 PM

you say $ony had a far better E3 than $ony, and IM the lunatic?
oh the irony, the irony of it all.
gotta love it how you just hurl insults at everyone when you know there right.
i expect it from the 2 year olds you call readers, but not from the admin.
well, i guess thats americans for ya.
when it comes down to it, all they know how to do is act like childs.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 11:11:33 PM

Actually I completely agree with Ben, and I am an Australian.

Ever since the PS4 was announced, nearly every comment has been nothing but anti-Sony trash. Even when there was SO many positive things about the PS4, you ignored every single one of them.

Even just in normal articles, about game reviews or whatever, you constantly complain about everything. You ALWAYS find reasons to be a jerk about something. Half the time you do this while sounding like a total Aussie bogan, so lets not get all patriotic.

You make it SO easy for people to throw insults at you.

You are completely irrational, one of the reasons is because you did not apply the same logic to both the MS and Sony conferences. If you did, you would see that Sony won.

If you weren't so entertaining to argue with, I think you would be banned as a troll, hahaha.

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redman479
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 9:57:01 AM
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Sony won and already have my pre-order.....

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556pineapple
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 2:17:06 PM
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I think this says it all...
http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/12

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RICHIECOQUI
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 2:25:00 PM
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Does anyone here feel ms may have rush thier console because they knew sony coming out before theirs?

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 11:14:54 PM

heh.

You can think that if it makes you feel better about the Xbone. But honestly, I really believe this is the best MS could come up with.

They are the kind of company that likes to push for new trends, while not looking at what consumers actually want. They ALWAYS have been that way. Look at Windows for example. Pioneering the OS landscape with something that is generally shit.

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Dante399
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:09:14 PM
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There is no mention of a new Monster Hunter title? Now, seriously what's wrong with this world?!

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ricksterj
Sunday, June 16, 2013 @ 12:20:51 PM
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Make the "always on" connection user controllable and MAYBE something will be salvaged here.

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Lunar_Miyuki
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 9:03:58 AM
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Hey Blank Line E3 means electronic entertainment expo if you don't comprehend that fine ill explain this to you its a convention to Show off your New Electronics though since Games need electronics to be played on Devs use E3 to promote and show off their games though the real purpose is to show off electronics Like phones game systems ect

now on topic M$ really just ticked their Fans off Now Sony didn't have 2 try and make jabs at M$ they did because the Fans wanted to know all that stuff Fans constantly been asking can PS4 play used games can you share used games will there be activation fees for used games so Sony answered there questions with humor Sony probably found it ridiculous that they had to answer those questions

M$ set themselves up to be made fun of
The Difference is the PS4 is mainly a gaming system and not a everything in 1
you see us gamers want to play games on a gaming system and not care about the rest of the world while were gaming

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