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Sony Clarifies Important Points Regarding PlayStation Plus And PS4

The one glaring downside of Sony's E3 presentation was the news that we'll need to be PlayStation Plus subscribers to play games online.

As far as many are concerned, this means the Network is no longer free (although other functions, like checking out the Store, will remain free). Microsoft charges via Xbox Live but for an entire generation, PlayStation fans enjoyed the fact that the PSN cost nothing. Plus was just a luxury.

But Sony boss Shuhei Yoshida has clarified several important points concerning this news. First, he reminded everyone that you will not need to be a Plus subscriber to play PS3 or Vita games online. That will remain free. As for why they need to charge for PS4 online multiplayer:

"We’re focusing on new services and online, like the Share button I previously mentioned and the ability to play using mobile devices with the cloud feature. Our plan is to continue to invest in the future, but investing like this is not compatible with our previous policy that involved reducing costs by every means to keep the service free."

He went on to apologize for the additional cost, but also restated the benefits of being a Plus member. You will receive early access to betas, discounts, free games, cloud access and more. Lastly, he said that not all online functions will be unavailable if you don't have a Plus membership:

"While direct competition in real time won’t be possible [without PS Plus] for instance in the case of DriveClub, asynchronous online gameplay and receiving data from other players will still be free of charge."

Good to have all the info up front, don't you think?

Tags: sony, ps4, playstation 4, ps4 multiplayer, playstation plus

6/12/2013 9:46:49 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (69 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:25:02 PM
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Can we just give up our share button? There's always 1 or two games worth playing online even for me, I dunno how much longer I can keep paying for Plus but we'll see.

It's understandable but you'd think there'd be a better way somewhere to recoup the costs. All I can say is the online service better improve somehow.

I'm glad PS3 games won't get all lame but for PS4 doesn't this now mean that you have to pay to get a Platinum?

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:40:37 PM

one cant simply stop a trophy hunter getting a platinum. yessiree if its an online multiplat they will go ps+

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newchef
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:05:46 PM

i only plan on buying 1 or 3 month PS+ cards when i get a game i really wanna play multiplayer for, like Killzone im definitely going to want to try the multi

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gorezilla
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:24:09 AM

Many single-player games with multiplayer components are starting to discard multiplayer trophies unless multiplayer is integral to the actual game. I happy about that. I've been a plus member since the beginning, but I would certainly be upset if we "needed" plus to get platinum trophies.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:49:24 AM

I'll probably go that route too, 3 months of PS+ comes out to 18 bucks, 6 bucks a month vs. under 5 bucks a month if u get the one year deal, not that much of a difference and you still pay cheaper.

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 3:01:33 AM

I would have subscribed to Plus regardless-free online or not. This really isn't a major change for me anyway, coming from 360 this gen.

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MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:30:33 PM
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Even though I know I will love being a PS+ member this is the saddest news ever. Oh well :(

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:40:51 PM
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i understand now

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Knightzane
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:47:43 PM
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For those who don't play PC games, Steam requires you to buy a game. It has to be over 10$ so if you think about it, 50$ for an entire year of plus is like buying a game. So it's similar to steams services which i don't think is to bad. Plus, for under 5$ a month it's not that horrendous. Although i know some can't afford that which does make it seem a little bad.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:08:34 PM

No I didn't know that, I only ever bought one game off steam and I couldn't run it soooo blah.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:14:19 PM

Really I use steam, but I've never seen any requirement anywhere. Obviously I have bought stuff, but my first few games were games I already had on disc, so is this a new policy?

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:29:12 AM

That's the weirdest claim about Steam I have ever seen. Steam requires you to buy a game... For what? To play other games online? If that's what you are trying to say then that's nonsense. You can install Steam on your PC, download a free game and play online right away, without buying anything.


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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:26:39 AM

The point he is making, is that you cannot get the Steam client on the net, you can only get it with a game you buy.

Unfortunately, this is wrong. You can get the client free nowadays, right here: http://store.steampowered.com/about/

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Clamedeus
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:46:00 AM

I think that was an old policy was it not? I also heard something like that before as well.

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Nix50
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:33:34 PM

No, he's correct. I remember a few months ago, I made a new account on Steam and to add my friends I needed to purchase a game that costed $10 or more :).

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Clamedeus
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 3:03:34 PM

Ah ok, never mind then. xD

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tes37
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:47:59 PM
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I think they should have two models for online play with the PS4. The PS plus route and the option to pay a one time fee of $5-10 per game. If you only play a couple of games a year online and you're not interested in PS plus, $50 is kind of high.

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daus26
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:42:04 PM

Exactly my problem.

Ps Plus gives exceptional value for those that either play games online a lot or buy/play a lot of games with all the amazing discounts. I'm neither. I play online occasionally and playing time is limited. If I were to get plus, I would benefit little from it.

I'm still griping a bit about this, and I still don't get the reason. I figure PS plus would be enough for them to get some money in return for the free online. Playing online is just so standard. It has always been free till Xbox Live stepped in.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:17:15 PM
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Truth is I understand where they are coming from, some of us, like me won't use most of these new online features, I'm very rarely playing online, maybe a couple hours a year, but the mass majority like to play online.
While it's easy to say give us 2 options, it would be like creating 2 psn's which would be beyond the biggest headache ever.

I don't like that they are requiring it, but I understand and to be honest I love my plus membership, I have actually received $100's of dollars and hundreds of hours worth of stuff for my $50 a year. So even though it won't effect me, I feel for those like me who prefer offline, but say I hope you can see Sony's side of it too.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:01:34 AM

Yeah a lot of people are talking about a tiered system but I think it's a bad idea. I think it's best for plus to have inherent value like it does now and not create a confusing system with 2 options.

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Norrin Radd
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:23:40 PM
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It's not $50. It's $60. But I'm not required to use the Eye. Nor do I HAVE to be online. And my games library will be from the broadest and highest quality titles available. And my technologically superior console costs me a $100 less than the competition.

Personally, I have never been a Plus member. Ever. But I might be this time around. After seeing the value that Plus members received in the form of actual games to download and early Betas and Demos - seems totally worth it to me - someone who has never played a multi player game ever. Although, Destiny could change that.........

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SaiyanSempai
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:15:31 AM

It's worth it. At least, I've gotten tremendous value out of it the past 1.5 years I've been on it. And I really have no intention of leaving. It might be tough to stomach the idea of having to pay for something that was free on the previous gen, but I really think it's worth the price of admission regardless of gaining multiplayer access or not from it.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:25:07 PM
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If anyone ever asked me if Xbox LIVE was worth it, I'd say yes. To those who like to online game I absolutely think it's worth it. BUT when every platform competition has been offering a similar service for FREE then why pay?
I stopped paying for Xbox Live a couple years ago. Not once did I regret it. That's about $100 in my pocket saved, just because I decided to leverage the free'ness of PSN.


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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:26:56 PM

for the record. No one has ever asked me that hehe =p

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Banky A
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:48:53 PM

Temjin001 is Xbox LIVE worth it?

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:44:19 AM

Xbox Live is a waste of everyone's time and money. Don't do it. EVER.

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Banky A
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:18:54 AM

hehe :)

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laxpro2001
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:40:21 PM
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I'm guessing we'll see more of those "free 1 month of PS+ code" in the PS4 games.

So what about accounts under a parent PS+ account? Would my brother and I both need to be a PS+ subscriber?

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SaiyanSempai
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:08:21 AM

According to Statements released by Sony, only one account logged into your PS4 has to be a PSplus member. So, as I understand it, if you have multiple accounts logged into your PS4 and only one is PSplus member, then they all can take advantage of the PSplus benefits.

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Nix50
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:34:28 PM

That'll be good. Doesn't XBL need a membership on each account?

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Kryten1029a
Friday, June 14, 2013 @ 7:06:51 AM

XBL had a family package until March, but Xbone will have something similar. One Gold subscription will cover everyone on the console.

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fatelementality
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:52:27 PM
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I have close to 700 bucks worth of ps+ games. This was 50 bucks a YEAR. Nuff said.

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SaiyanSempai
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:02:39 AM

For real! I haven't tallied the costs of the games that I played thanks to PSplus, but it's WELL BEYOND the cost of admission.

Well worth $50 a year. That's like going to Starbucks 6 times...

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:30:13 AM

Yeah, definitely. I would say about the same.

I even download games that I don't like just because they are free. Plus, I have played a lot of games that I never would have played if they weren't free.

It's a great service.

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SaiyanSempai
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:53:18 PM
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A friend of mine was completely upset about this news. What's funny is that he is already a plus member. As am I.

I understand the reason people would be upset, I really do. Having to start paying for something that you didn't have to previously is tough. But I will judge based on the service that is provided to determine whether it is worth the price or not. And PSplus has been very much worth it for me even without multiplayer access being included in that. I plan to continue to be a PSplus subscriber regardless of multiplayer access or not.

Those online services are not cheap for a company to run and maintain, its a substantial ongoing expense. And I am not one that expects to get something for free.

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daus26
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:45:21 PM

I don't think anyone questions the value of PS Plus. It's just that not everyone play games online often enough, nor play/buy a lot of games to make its worth. It's like getting cheap membership at your local gym, but you don't go that often.

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SaiyanSempai
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 11:58:18 PM
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How I imagine Sony during the early days of PS3:

"No, we won't have you pay for online access on PS3, that's just crazy talk. Oh look, we just got the bill for the server farm we buil*-HOLY CRAP THAT'S EXPENSIVE!!! *sigh* Can't go against our word now, but for the PS4, we will have to do things differently."

:)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:28:41 AM
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Here is my thing, and I don't mean to complain but they should expand what PSPlus is about. You want people to start using your video and music services? Include a couple downloads a month in that too. And there are hardly ever any avatars or themes of any use, just crap. But the free games are a shining marvel so far.

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:17:42 AM

I never got a Ryu Hayabusa avatar from them either. Even NG3 and NG3 RE has released since then, plus 2 Vita NG incarnations. Yet, no Ryu avatar. Oh well, I suppose it's not Sony's fault anyway.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:54:38 AM
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So I don't have to be a PLUS member to download the demos?

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trumpetmon65
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:47:37 AM

correct. Or to watch netflix, hulu, etc or to do anything else online. Just for the multiplayer.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 6:25:16 AM

And for Xbox Live, to access the market you have to pay already?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:19:44 PM

No you can access the Live market without paying the fee I think.

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Bigimpactpooch
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:13:25 AM
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Oh lucky me. I just won a free year ps+ membership from HeyPlaystation on twitter XD

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:20:35 PM

congrats

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trumpetmon65
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 2:46:51 AM
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I use the plus program for the free games and the stupid good discounts that pop up form time to time. Such as borderlands 2 only being 20 dollars right now. and that's the second time that's happened. For poor people such as myself, 50 bucks a year is great. Although I do wish I could just pay it monthly so I don't have to save on my own. You know, cuz of the whole lazy thing.

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Indestructible
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 4:24:19 AM
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"like the Share button I previously mentioned and the ability to play using mobile devices with the cloud feature" - so, will remote play with vita be possible over the internet? If yes, I am buying the Vita today.

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frylock25
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 4:28:39 AM
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so i posted a list of all the stuff that i have gotten from ps plus. i have had it since the start and have not really missed anything that i know of. just to show the value i will post the list again. seriously, being able to keep all of these games is the biggest part of it. $50 a year is not that much. usually i renew my plus when i get my taxes back. it wasnt as great at first but plus is pretty great now. so here is my list up to date til the end of the month.

PlayStation 3 digital retail games

Super Street Fighter IV (Arcade Edition)
Little Big Planet 2
Demon’s Souls
BioShock 2
Vanquish
Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition
Sleeping Dogs
Borderlands
Infamous 2
Just Cause 2
Darksiders
Saints Row 2
Spec Ops: The Line
King of Fighters XIII
Ratchet and Clank: All 4 One
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Far Cry 2
Shift 2 Unleashed
Sly cooper
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Saints Row: the third
Uncharted 3
Xcom: enemy unknown
Little big planet karting

PlayStation Vita retail games

Virtues last reward
Gravity Rush
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Wipeout 2048
Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus
Jet Set Radio
Chronovolt
Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack
The Pinball Arcade
Plants vs. Zombies

PlayStation 3 and Vita

machinarium
Zombie Tycoon 2: Brainhov’s Revenge
Knytt Underground
Retro City Rampage
Foosball 2012
Germinator
Marvel pinball (zen pinball 2)

PlayStation 3 PSN

Double Dragon Neon
Pac-Man Championship Edition DX
Lara Croft and the Guradian of Light
The Walking Dead (Ep. 1 & 2)
Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown
Closure
Renegade Ops
Dungeon Defenders
NFL Blitz
Quantum Conundrum
Rochard
Anomaly: Warzone Earth
Joe Danger 2: The Movie
Mega Man 10
Mega Man 9
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World
Starhawk (single player only)
Hard Corps: Uprising
Guardians of Middle Earth
Sideway: New York
The Cave
Gotham City Imposters
Choplifter HD
Payday: The Heist
Bloodrayne Betrayal
Labyrinth Legends
Zombie Apocalypse: Never Die Alone
Malicious
Outland
Trine 2
Rock of Ages
The King of Fighters XIII
NBA Jam: on fire ed.
Shank 2
Swords and Soldiers
Frogger Returns
Super street Fighter II Turbo HD remix
Golden axe
Sonic the hedgehog
Sonic the hedgehog 2
Streets of rage 2
Alterd Beast
Comix zone
Bomberman ultra
Costume Quest
Stacking
Battle Fantasia
Tron
Supersonic Acrobatic rocket powered battle cars
Critter Crunch
Mahjong Tales
Magic orbz
Cuboid
Burn zombie burn!
Comet Crash
Back to the Future: the game
Magic the gathering
Shatter
Inferno Pool
Digger Hd
Mushroom wars
Lead and gold
awesomenauts
Little big planet sack boys prehistoric moves


PSP

Gods eater burts
Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions
Final Fantasy V
Tekken 6
Soul Calibur: Broken Destiny
Mega Man Maverick Hunter X

PS One Classics

International Track and Field
Hot Shots Golf 2
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3
Crash team racing
medievil
Syphon Filter
Syphon Filter 2
Syphon Filter 3
Destruction Derby
Warhawk
Rally Cross
Jet Moto
Spyro 2
Spyro year of the dragon
Um Jammer Lammy
2xtreme
Castlevania:sotn
oddworld: abes oddysee
Silent hill
Resident evil D/c
Resident evil 2
resident evil 3
castlevania chronicles
Disney Lilo and stitch


PS Mini

Ronnie O’Sullivan’s Snooker
Farm Frenzy 2
Kaleidoscope
Bermuda Triangle
Gold Medalist
Guerrilla War
Street Smart
Lets Golf
Hero of Sparta
Dr. Maybee and the adventures of scary girl
Stick man rescue
Defenders of the mystic garden
Blast off
Echoes
Aero Racer
Age of Zombies
Alien Zombie Death
Jelly Pops
Bubble Trouble
Mecho wars
Kahoots
Pix'n love rush
Vempire
Bashi Blocks
Rumble trucks
Fieldrunners
a space shooter for 2 bucks
breakquest
enigmo
canabalt
I must run
Doodle fit
Kaleidoscope
Dynogems
Karimogi
Babel the king of the blocks
vector td
1000 tiny claws
Duael invaders
Orbit
OMG-Z
Hungry Giraffe
Velocity
pipe madness
me monstar
farm frenzy
The 2d adventures of rotating octopus character
floating cloud god saves the pilgrims
mad blocker alpha
Ninjamurai
revoltin youth
where is my heart?
speedball 2 evolution


so again i say this is way better than xbox and i cant understand what they think they are getting with the value of their gold membership.


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Temjin001
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 9:50:35 AM

they're getting Halo 3 and Assassin's Creed 2 to kick off their 'free' Live games. POWNED!
How does that compare to the instant game collection of 12 games right from the get-go?

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PoopsMcGee
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:47:03 AM

...and they can access the Netflix they already paid for seperately! XD

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Boger
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 3:53:48 PM

Member since day 1 also. I have a 1tb HDD with 93gb left. PS4's HDD is removable, 1.5tb here we come.

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bamf
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 9:41:39 AM
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I'm not into online gaming but can see why others are mad about it. If been free like on PS3, when PS4 launches you're gonna pay the $399 and thats it. Now You'll pay the $399 with a furthur $60 for the game and when you get started and want to play online your required to pay another $60. So on that day your console has just cost you $519. If that was 519 in pound sterling I couldn't afford that and would be waiting for a PS4 price drop or taking a longer time to save up. Still $100 cheaper than Xone.

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___________
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:08:06 AM
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sorry shu, but that is THE most pathetic excuse i have ever heard!
we have to pay for MP so you can provide a silly share and mobile functionality?
yea, go jump!

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DemonNeno
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:14:38 PM

Uh... You first. It's not like membership goes without other perks. You get a free game every month amongst other perks. Or get an xbox one.

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___________
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:25:41 PM

so?
offering free games which have been out for years already does not give you the right to take away features people have already paid for.
i paid my 100+ bucks for my game, so i should be able to access every nook and cranny on that disc!
especially when it is free on ps3 and vita.
i dont see $ony charging for MP on the vita because of the added remote play, cross game chat, and other new features the vita brought to the game.

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DemonNeno
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:00:36 PM

That's not why they're charging you money. It's everything else in the system that'll bring it up. If less than $5/mo with a yearly subscription is breaking your bank, then how the heck are you buying the system to begin with? There's obviously something to be said about cloud accessibility that hasn't been touched on yet, which will likely bring more games to be had. Streaming a game online takes some serious bandwidth. Regardless, seems like the debate is no more fulfilling than talking to a small child about quantum physics.

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Banky A
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 7:13:42 PM

for once i disagree with you blank buddy its about your "offering free games which have been out for years".

for you and i in the pacific we got hitman absolution, kingdom of amular, rayman origins - among many others. those are pretty large games and theyre not old, i dont care who you are :)

does not give sony 'the right' to start charging per se but it unconditionally beats xbox live gold to the ground. especially for people like me who like to enjoy any game ive never thought of buying.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:19:00 PM

The argument here, is whether the pay wall for multiplayer is justified. And in the case of next-gen consoles, it most certainly is. The large number of online features that were added to the PS4 alone justifies that reason. Jack Tretton also went pretty in depth about the cause for the pay wall. Basically, they want to provide the best online service available, and that simply isn't possible with the PS4. With the PS3, their business model was to keep costs as low as possible, so it could remain free. Which is part in parcel with the lack of technical quality in the current PSN.

Don't crap on about 'rights'. This is business 101. Sony owns the service, they have every right to do whatever they want with it.

Do you expect Sony to operate the PSN at a loss just to keep VERY FEW people happy? Most people don't care about ongoing costs, if they are worth it and justifiable. The free games alone make it worth it, not to mention the additional online features and improvements to PSN.

Also, you need to find a new store to get your games if your paying $100+ AUD. I have not paid more than $80AUD retail for a ps3 game in years.

EDIT: I'd also like to note that games that require an online connection, including MMO's, do NOT require a PSN+ subscription to play. That was announced at E3.

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gumbi
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:14:24 AM
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I don't play games online, but even if I did this wouldn't bother me... I've been a plus member since shortly after they started it and they've given me a massive library of games, for free!

And the best part for me is that if you keep a keen eye, there's free PS+ to be had all over the place. I'm currently enrolled up till the end of 2014 and I haven't paid a dime for my membership since 2011. Keep an eye out for promo's, especially on the Sony facebook page. I've gotten 2 years of free plus from Sony for silly things like commenting on what video game character I'd like to be.

Also, see frylocks post above. If that's not worth $50/year, I don't know what is.

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DemonNeno
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:08:05 PM
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They gave us an entire generation of free online game play. Asking to invest in their build of the cloud system, sharing system, and various areas of its network infrastructure isn't bad at all. Consider waiting for the discounted purchases of plus, which I can't imagine will dwindle away.

I personally think Sony will take care of us ps3 owners with a free year added to an extra year purchase, buying us $25/yr for our first two years. It'll generate more software sales if they do us such a service. Perhaps limit it to current gen PS+ members if the cost of unreal to give away a year to all ps3 owners.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:22:50 PM

Actually they have said that PS3 multiplayer will remain free, so there's no need to get it if you stay PS3 only.

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Comic Shaman
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 12:25:49 PM
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The PR differential in this generation is astonishing to me. Sony's history has been pretty spotty in this respect, yet now they seem to have gotten their act together and are really communicating. Not just talking, but listening and responding to both customers and developers.

Meanwhile, Microsoft is killing itself in the press. Here's the latest from MS Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer Yusuf Mehdi. First he says:

"There's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

Then a few breaths later, he responds to the negativity around the X1 with this:

"In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

So on one hand they need to "educate" consumers, and on the other they are basically saying that they are counting on people not caring about details. An impressive display of self-contradiction, that.

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DemonNeno
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 1:03:58 PM

It's their way of defending the stupidity they've unleashed on gamers who have up until now supported their console. I'm loving the propaganda about it being a government surveillance system. The CIA better ready themselves for a bunch of half-naked obese freaks that haven't seen daylight in good knows how long... Hehehe..

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Kryten1029a
Saturday, June 15, 2013 @ 12:50:32 AM

People ARE paying attention to the details; that's why their balls are being repeatedly kicked up into their throats!

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Douchebaguette
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 5:40:42 PM
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Wait, so basically he's saying that PS Plus, despite being practically a compulsory thing, still will include teh features that the old PS Plus had? Excellent. So now we're paying for a better service but one that actually gives you loads of free stuff. That somewhat justifies the price, which is still less than the Gold Membership. Although I reallyw anted the membership to cost around half that, the extras make me feel better. Basically everyone will be in a land of glee.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 13, 2013 @ 10:24:30 PM
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One thing that makes me curious though, is the fact that previously PSN+ was seen as a premium service, with the instant game collection and such.

With the PS4, that Premium service is now a mandatory one for online play. Does that mean the quality of the premium offerings will decrease? does it mean that another 'tier' of premium will be added? Sort of like, the best PSN+.

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JROD0823
Saturday, June 15, 2013 @ 12:50:20 AM
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I'm not a huge gamer online either, but I have had Plus since day one, and here's my two cents about Plus becoming a requirement to play online:

The Plus requirement for PS4 is going to go a long way towards strengthening the overall functionality and reliability of the PlayStation Network from the all of the additional revenue that Plus will generate for Sony.

Not only that, but it will help to fund the growth and maintenance of PSN's server fleet.

So, with my opinion on the table, all I can say is that I really don't understand why so many people are bothered by this news, honestly.

It's completely counter-productive to great online gaming to be against this change, because even the people that stick to their guns and don't pay for Plus will reap some of the online benefits themselves without ever actually contributing.

I'll just let that little bombshell stew in your minds for a while. :)

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Esc
Sunday, June 16, 2013 @ 4:41:28 PM
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Sorry guys but can any of you answer something for me about the PS Plus?

I've never bothered with it before but my son is now getting into gaming and I'm thinking about the free games and online ability of the PS4. However, is the PS Plus connected to your machine or your account? If my account, would my purchase of a year's subscription (ÂŁ36) cover both my PS3 and PS4?

Cheers

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SonyPuppy
Sunday, June 16, 2013 @ 6:42:14 PM

It is tied to your account. But the auto backup/sync/downloads feature can only be tied to one console at a time, by one user at a time.
So if you use it on a family console to sync your account, your son can't do the same on that console with his account.
I don't know for certain how having a PS3 and PS4 on the same account would affect you though, I've seen nothing on this so far but I think Sony would be smart enough to make it so you can have a console of each gen tied to your account at a time.

As for the value of PSN+, just tally the cost of the games currently available as part of the IGC and you pretty much recoup your subscription cost there and then. I have been a member since day one and I have no intention of ever letting my subscription lapse. I had no interest in DriveClub until they announced it as the first IGC game for the PS4. Now I will try a game I'd never have played otherwise. PSN+ is great for this, it's opening up so many people to games they'd never have considered previously.
If that's what it takes for Sony to continue providing excellent games and services to me, while still giving me all this free stuff, I say bravo and bring it on.

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