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Did Microsoft's Damage Control Change Your View Of Xbox One?

It had to happen, didn't it? But does that change your stance?

On the surface it should: Microsoft has announced today that its rescinding its controversial policies for the Xbox One. Specifically, the "24-hour online check-in" and the restriction of used games.

Now, it has been confirmed that next-gen Xbox will not impose any restrictions on pre-owned games; you can buy them, trade them in, and share them with your friends at your leisure. And after the initial system setup, you won't have to be connected online to play offline games. So, that's all good, right? Doesn't that change your viewpoint entirely? I mean, it's pretty similar to the PlayStation 4 now, right? Well, not so fast...

The Xbox One is still $100 more. Developers have been proclaiming their love of the PS4's architecture for months, several saying it's up to 50% more powerful than Microsoft's console. PlayStation Plus offers more in the way of valuable perks (in my eyes) with early access to betas, discounts and free games, cloud storage, etc. as compared to Xbox Live. The edge in exclusive software will inevitably fall in Sony's favor if it hasn't already. But above and beyond all that, can we really forget Microsoft's initial plan for their new system? Did that not say something?

Did they listen to feedback or did they simply bow to immense consumer pressure? Is this really about pleasing your fans, or is it about panic and damage control? The original announcement showed such a shocking detachment; i.e., it proved to me that Microsoft knows little about what gamers really want and worse, that they don't really care. They lost me right then and there. They could package the Xbox One with a diamond-encrusted controller and I still wouldn't buy it now. ...well, okay, maybe I would then. But after hocking the controller, I'd return the system.

Tags: xbox one, microsoft, new xbox, next generation

6/19/2013 9:03:16 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (128 posts)

Fabi
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:18:53 PM
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You're asking the wrong crowd I think. You know 90% of people on here never planned to get a Xbone, even if it was cheaper than the PS4.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:30:56 PM

53% of IGN's readership are voting the same way as we speak.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:04:33 PM

Amazon should re-post that poll now.

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Bonampak
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:07:12 PM

Yeah I don't think anyone here will change their mind.

However, I did notice that many service men in the military got upset about the whole 24 online check-up deal and they issued a formal complaint with MS. Apparently, Xbox consoles are their console of choice (because its from an American company it seems) and that got the whole ball rolling for what eventually happened today. Lets not forget that the US has been Xbox land this gen. And MS probably didn't want to hurt their chances by having American service men bad-mouthing them.

This new development may also affect us in the sense that EA might go back to implementing their online pass system.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:19:08 PM

Yea but our servicemen are a small part of their customer base. They share one Xbox to a unit. Most of their consumer base is made up of our fellow nerds. I think this move has more to do with Sony giving em no choice than it does with a worry they're pissing off military people.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:25:19 PM

It just seems wrong to have an Xbox as the military's go-to machine. It's the opposite of a G.I., not tough or versatile or resilient or of any quality.

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Bonampak
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:42:17 PM

@Jawknee - Pissing them off was a PR disaster that made MS look seriously detached from reality. And even insensitively stupid. Especially after MS replied to them with: "Well, you can always get a 360".

Thing is, they got no support even from their own user base. One of the most notorious Xbox nerds, Youtube's Angry Joe, was very vocal about his disapproval of what was going on with the Xbone. And he even confronted Major Nelson about it.

And then GameStop execs started talking crap about the Xbone and instructing GS employees to inform costumers about the Xbone's restrictions and DRM's.

Absolutely nothing was going their way. MS had to either ignore the hate or do a 180.

And that's why we now have the Xbox ONE-EIGHTY ;)




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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:16:42 AM

Indeed, all in favor of adding "Xbox 180" to "Xbone"?

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matt99
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:47:21 AM

Xbox 180 it is.

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:53:59 AM

Yes but what I'm telling you is the grumbling from servicemen likely wasn't a major factor in their decision. They're such a small part of their user base it's more likely the rest of the bad PR and preorder numbers shifting to Sony is what caused them to reverse course. Quite honestly I don't think they give a damn about our servicemen. That's why Mattricks response was buy a 360. It wasn't until the backlash from their core consumer base grew did they change their tune.

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BTNwarrior
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:51:38 AM

not sure about other divisions but going to 3 different bases in the air force I have met alot more people with ps3's than 360's

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Cpt_Geez
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:19:22 PM
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Microsoft hasn't changed my mind I'm sticking with the ps4.

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To Be Decided
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:21:09 PM
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They still haven't changed there indie policies but even if they did that. Doubt I'll ever get an Xbox to begin with.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:27:06 PM
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Have you seen Titanfall? I mean have you seen TITANFALL? PS what now? Just look at Titanfall.

It does change my view a bit. Before the change it felt extremely unlikely I'd ever go XboxOne, like ever. Now it just needs to sell me on the buy in value of the hardware and a pile of great exclusives. Something that has yet to happen for me. I only need Gran Turismo for my racing-sim needs so Forza doesn't do nothing for me. Don't care whatsoever for Insomniac's shooter. Titanfall is an online shooter I'd never play, like nearly every online shooter. Really, it's just Halo, which is a big reason, and small pleasant offerings of Crimson Dragon and Killer Instinct. But that's about it. Wii U even has a bigger distribution of titles I'd like between my family and I. Namely Mario Kart, the new Sonic, 3D World Mario, Zelda Windwaker, Donkey Kong, Monolith's 'X' jrpg (this looks incredible, maybe console selling big), Bayonetta 2, and possibly Pikmin 3. It's like platformer heaven on Nintendo's side and not a ONE of them is a shooter.

EDIT: I suppose there's one shooter that's inevitable, Metroid. But that's more of a thinking man's shooter, not so much in the stealth sort of way, but in the exploration-puzzle solving kind of way.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:29:15 PM

I saw it.

It's a shooter.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:33:06 PM

Titanfall? Are you talking about Microsoft?

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Simcoe
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:47:59 PM

Yeah so, it's also releasing on PC too. It's one of those type of "exclusives".

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:50:20 PM

And 360.

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:00:08 PM

And the developer has publicly expressed a strong desire to develop the game for the PS4, with their publisher immediately shutting him up and saying "We can't talk about any future releases at this time"

Timed exclusive.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:24:54 PM

hehe I was trying to reference this..

“I don’t really think… we’re not going to change anything. We’re very happy with what we’ve done with Xbox One. Did you see the games on stage. Did you see the exclusives? I mean, we’re really, really proud of the system and the games that are coming out. When you look at games like TitanFall, did you see TitanFall? Okay, enough said. Conversation over.” --Major Nelson a few days ago =p

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:27:43 PM

I think Titanfall looks plenty fun and I'll be happy to buy it from the bargain bin when it comes to PS4 (cuz it will trust me).

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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:47:18 PM

but isn't Titanfall online only?

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Troy Powers
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:07:13 AM

I agree, Titanfall looks really cool. Of course I'm going PS4 from launch, but if Titanfall lives up to expectations and Xbox One delivers a couple other good exclusives, I could be convinced to buy it after a price drop or two. Having to pay for a second online service could hold me back though.

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Simcoe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:39:38 AM

Oh Temjin, I thought you might be trying to be facetious, especially when you contradicted yourself, but I just figured that was a typo. Man, sarcasm is tough to judge on the interwebs sometimes; although, quotes would have helped!

Initially, I wasn't too thrilled with what I saw with Titanfall during the MS presentation, but after watching a different trailer (possibly a play-through) during the (I think) EA presentation, I thought it might be kind of cool. So many times, it seems that Mech type of games just don't work out, but I think Titanfall might get the recipe right this time.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:21:16 AM

I don't think it's online only like MAG but there was some shady intonations that it might use cloud computing so that would make it have to be online. Too early to tell.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:29:17 PM
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No. It only confirms my worst impressions of the company. They tried to pull a fast one and only changed their tune when they saw their flock herding to Sony. Had Sony had similar policies or had their preorder numbers been better, you can bet MS wouldn't have backpedaled. Seems to me they're just trying to clean their bloodied nose.

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matt99
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:58:57 AM

One theory I heard was that they had info that Sony was also planning on implementing similar policies but then when they saw the gamer response to the xboxone reveal they canned them at the last minute.

Personally I think Sony cares more about the gamer, or at least knows that if they put the gamer first then they will make more money.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:02:04 AM

They have to dial tune anything that they see is negative, (like you said pull a fast one) which in this case the DRM, their afraid to lose their fan base because of that. So in all, it's the smart thing to do. Sony has nothing to be worry about, the playstation brand dominates worldwide.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:30:21 PM
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No. MS caved into the pressure that was building post E3. The department heads can't be pleased with all the internet reports about PS4 dominating polls and pre-orders.

Throw in the fact that the Killzone Shadowfall demo would have pushed the XBOne to edge of its performance limit (per IGN), things are not looking good for MS.

Or perhaps they don't like how the 360 is in last place...

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:33:41 PM

And we still really don't know how Xbone games will perform given all their E3 demos were on windows 7 pc gaming rigs.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:38:08 PM

Oh Jawknee, people don't care about MS software not running on the XBOne while pretending to.

/sarcasm

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Simcoe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:45:32 AM

I know I read the reports (and seen the picture) of Xbox one games running on Windows 7 rigs with Nvidia graphics cards, but did they say if those PC had Intel or AMD processors? Because if they were Intel processors, the irony would be hilarious.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:32:10 PM
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The most entertaining part of all this is CliffyB's panties are all in a wad over this reversal. He's wetting himself on Twitter. Lol, dudes profile states he's the "Tony Stark of gaming". What a joke.

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:40:31 PM

I can't stand that guy. lol

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:45:23 PM

Hes a douche. Dont know him personally (obviously) but he acts like one.

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FatherSun
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 8:54:24 AM

The "B" is for bitch. 90% of the things I read about him is him bitching about something.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:22:12 AM

He's the South Park Timmy of gaming.

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Jaylynn
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:33:05 PM
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Microsoft is basically saying "yeah we f@%*ed up, can you buy our system now?" They can't dig themselves out of this one and whose to say they won't change their minds again.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:34:57 PM
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They say they're going to remove these restrictions with a day one update. Who's to say they won't reimpose them with another update later on?

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:39:55 PM

You know what? You STILL need an internet connection with the XBOne. Those without one? Sorry.

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Gabriel013
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:06:11 AM

Really? So the complaints from those without a home internet connection will still not be able to buy one because to remove the restriction... you need an internet connection.

That's funny in a screwed up kinda way.

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FatherSun
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 8:35:22 AM

They will wait until the install base grows and then attempt to ease rise DRMs back into the mix. It is inevitable.

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:50:47 PM

Xbone buyers would have to login once to register, but wouldn't have to do so again. Still not ideal, but that's a huge concession on Microsoft's part. It's not enough to make up for the damage that their arrogance and condescension has caused but it's at least an acknowledgement on their part of how stupid they were.

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:51:12 PM
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No, they're intentions were bad.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:53:32 PM

I just realized your gigantic avatar is Joel and Elle. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:22:38 PM

Please tell me how you keep your avatar from being resized. Now.

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tes37
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:06:02 AM

World

Sometimes when people load an avatar from a mobile device it's larger than they realize because it displays normal to them.

Start with a higher resolution image and size it yourself. You can re-size by percentage or pixel count

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:23:48 AM

Me no understand. All I know is I can't make anything larger than 80x80 or the site resizes it for me. Makes it hard to show lengthwise avatars.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:06:53 AM

Ummmm.... I still see the Mr. with a "happy" face??? I'm confused

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:13:05 AM

Fixed :)

I guess its stays big if you upload through a mobile device, which I did do.

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Jed
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 4:45:16 AM

That just have me a headache

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:25:18 AM

Sweet, next time I change I'll use a mobile device and bring somethin sexy.

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ulsterscot
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:52:48 PM
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Ya likely get one eventually - like the second titanfall is released - around march I believe

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:01:42 PM

Or you could wait for Titanfall to release on PS4 lol.

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Simcoe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:49:07 AM

Or get it on PC.

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TheRealFlash
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:53:52 PM
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Too little too late.
And who's to say the "suckers" they get back from this announcement won't get f'd later on after they get the X-Bone.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:55:49 PM

They're gonna get Xboned. Lol

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Akuma07
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:03:40 PM
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Have you guys seen some of the comments from Xbot's?

Like wow. It really proves that people are just dumb. SO many of them are like "OMG XBOX I LOVE YOU, I NEVER DOUBTED YOU FOR A SECOND" and/or "F**K YOU PS4!!! XBOX FTW BABY!"

Just wow.

But yeah, Microsoft caved. They were so persistent about pushing their new ideas, then they backtracked on them before they even truly explained them lol. They just proved they can't be trusted.

If anyone does go back to them after this, your just suckers, and I hope MS screw you over again hahaha.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:21:33 PM
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Now I think even less of them for not having any convictions, now we know that they don't stand for anything and exist only as a well-oiled weather vane that is followed in favor of the gamer only when more money cannot be squeezed out of them.

Also, I have an off-the-cuff analysis of MS's statement if anyone is interested:

http://www.onlysp.com/analysis-microsoft-admits-no-mistakes-over-drm-plan/

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PC_Max
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:26:57 PM
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I have to say I saw it coming. Although I thought I would see it post launch and in the new year. But I knew they would have to do something and they went further than I thought they would.

Smart business decision and I am sure they are hoping this will deflate Sony a bit. It will definitely bring the loyal Xbox fans out of the closets and start spurting out things about better exclusives. Whether true or not.

Needless to say I am sure the pre-order sales numbers probably stirred some of their executives meetings in to mad "How do you go back on what we said".

Result?

I think MS is back in the game so to speak. And I think fans who switched will go back. I think they would have anyway in the end.

Glad the competition is there anyway, means more drive for exclusives if one is so inclined.

Keep Playing! no matter what console you are on.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:30:15 PM

Agreed, I'm happy to continue discussing the merits of Playstation over Xbox for a further 6 years. A landslide would have put my rhetoric machine out of business.

This time all the extra power in PS4 isn't "hidden" "under the hood" it's right there in the specs, on the screen, for a better price, with more benefits.

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darxed
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:39:30 PM
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I just don't get how a company as big as Microsoft can get so smug and keep making the same mistakes over an over...

"You don't need a start button, everyone will love the new metro UI!" -> Windows 8.1 boots into desktop mode, not metro, and has a start button

"Why would a 24 hour login be a problem? and what's so bad with a little DRM compared to all our great and new features? everyone will love the Xbox One!" -> Does an Xbox one-eighty less than a month after announcing the console.

See a pattern?

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bluedarrk
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:47:14 PM
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I'm more curious about the failure rate of the Xbox One. They knew the 360 had faults but were still pumping them out. And like sheep customers would just send the 360 in and get it fixed or buy a new one. I have that gut feeling that the Xbox One will have a major flaw in it. MS will bring DRM back, like the only way to play certain games even just SP the system will have to go online.

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:56:54 AM

IGN speculated that one of the reasons they didn't want to demo games at E3 on the Xbone hardware is because something is wrong with it. It's not ready for prime time. For Xbot's sake, I hope they can sort it out if that's the case. :)

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:06:52 AM

They had overheating issues jawknee. I read it at ign or some other gaming website. Don't forget that they are also six months behind schedule so if they do push the 180 this year we may get the same crap the 360 did again!

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Simcoe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:59:31 AM

If it's an issue with individual component coming from a supplier, that's one thing, and it's an issue out of MS control. The issue with the early 360's was a design issue on MS's part caused by improper heat dissipation. I really do think that from a design perspective and based on the components they've chosen (low power, low heat), MS made the proper investments to avoid any heat issues this time around. I'm quite sure that Sony also took this into consideration this time 'round too.

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 6:04:10 PM

CVG reported last year that the yields on the Oban chip inside the Xbone were "painfully low". I don't know if they've gotten that sorted out but it's something to consider.

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kraygen
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:55:40 PM
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Bottom line, it has no games that are not kinect and truly exclusive. I don't need an xbox if I can play all of their "exclusive" titles on my pc.

The xbox still uses ddr3 memory and due to it's 3 operating systems 3 of the 8 GB's of that memory are completely allocated towards the OS fiasco. No thank you, if they make a game I like in my pc it will go.

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556pineapple
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:03:00 AM
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If they 1) Allow you to use the console without having the Kinect connected and operational at all times, and 2) build a solid library of must-have exclusive titles, then I will likely consider getting one. However, although 2 is easily possible, I don't think 1 is, so my answer remains a firm "no" for the time being.

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Jaylynn
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:03:21 AM
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Anybody else think that there's a video game publisher out there who was in favor of MS's DRM policy is pissed off right now at them for reversing course on the whole issue?

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Gabriel013
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:12:57 AM

Oh definitely. Possibly leading to the return of online passes?

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:56:03 PM

People already have their blood up, so the publishers wouldn't dare. Gamers haven't really been happy with Online Passes for years but they were never mad enough to really act on it. They were just irritated but they weren't acting. The last month or two have opened a lot people's eyes about these matters and nobody wants to risk that kind of fury.

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:05:18 AM
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The one serious complaint I had about the system is gone, so that's fantastic for me. The games are there, so I'm there. Another three console generation to look forward to. Very exciting for me as a gamer and collector.

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DarthNemesis
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:36:30 AM
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I will be honest. I am glad they got rid of those stupid policies, but the Kinect thing being mandatory and the price is still unappealing and then there is the matter of the lack of notable franchises from MS and how they cannot support their console for the entire generation. After 4 years, if and a BIG IF ...they actually support the console for a long time with notable exclusive games (besides halo, Forza and Fable) then I may consider a purchase when the price drops depending on what the Wii U has available and the price by then.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:42:14 AM
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Damage Control? The Xbox One is not even out yet, M$ hasn't seen a failures yet.. but I suppose they will in the future.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:50:06 AM

I'm not into the offset left analog stick on the M$'s controllers, so no for me.

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Knightzane
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:00:06 AM
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Its not true. They tried this right after the xbox one reveal. This is all damage control. The guy said 4-5 days ago "dont have internet? buy a 360" Why would all of a sudden they go and spend even more money to change everything? Its like that old tower game thing from the 70s or 80s or whatever. Where you put sticks and build up a tower. If this always online thing was built into it the whole thing will fall appart most likely.

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 6:07:09 PM

Probably the greatest harm that Microsoft did to itself in the last couple of months is just the inconsistent messaging. They were convinced that they were on the right course and just did a lousy job of communicating that. Plus, the undiluted hubris that came from every statement didn't help.

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:02:00 AM
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I had a hope that they would be so hard-headed that they would keep going the path they had chosen, but I guess it would be too good to be true.

Oh well, now things evened out a *lot*. Still, the PS4 system A) is better and B) it is cheaper. Those two factors are not insignificant. They just fade in comparison with the differences that was true until today.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:27:47 AM

There are now two things that seperate the consoles and you named them, now thay MS got smart. But there was a wild horse in my eyes that no one is really talking about which is good to see that its being accepted, but I really think it would have fueled the momentum Sony has and thats keep online play free.

Im okay woth purchasing PSplus for the PS4 I suppose, only because I kind of knew it was coming. But honestly Im not interested in PSplus for the deals or early demo access and so on. I just want to log on and play games. They made it sound like people purchase PSplus because of the content, and now they lumped us all - those who purchase content, and thosw who only play online - into the same consumer base.

Either way its really not affecting them, which is actually surprising to me. .

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:31:22 AM

Ah - no PSPlus requirement to play online would have been an ubersweet move to pull - but it is very unlikely.

I share your thoughts about the Plus membership. It's great for some I guess, but it's not for me either. All I really want to do is to play coop with my buddy a few hours a month. And to pay a monthly fee for that... S.U.C.K.S.

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MrAnonymity
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:12:14 AM
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Nah. I'm good with Sony. I've never even owned a 360, and I've only contemplated it so my wife could give Fable a shot. Alas... I'm a Playstation fan through-and-through.

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jdt1981
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:14:46 AM
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M$ is still shoving kinect down the throats of everyone who buys an xbone so I'm still not interested...

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cadpig
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:16:06 AM
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It's too early to talk about Xbox One failure rates. It's not even out yet.

Microsoft was able to get away with that because the alternative Sony priced their system $200 more. So many people couldn't just jump ship.

I won't even look at an Xbox One until they drop the launch price to $399

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:59:14 AM
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O/T but I just have to say I absolutely love the Last of Us. This game is like nothing I've experienced before. :)

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jdt1981
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:55:55 AM

Agreed, It's one of my all-time favorite games. Great story and Ellie is a very endearing character. Naughty Dog did it again...

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:07:30 AM

The past week has been incredible. I've been playing a few hours every night, and I'm thinking about it all day. If I weren't so busy at work I may have had to take a vacation day to REALLY take it all in. An extraordinary achievement, without question one of the very best games I've played, ever, and probably the best game of this generation. It is THAT good.

If you haven't played it yet folks, DO IT.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:58:11 AM

I should get it this week some time.

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Gabriel013
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:09:13 AM
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They have changed the DRM and disc based used game policy BUT have you read about the other policy change?
I've read that MS were intending to offer trade in discounts for their download titles too (a great idea I'd not heard of before) but now they're terminating that policy too.

That's a bit of a spiteful FU to their consumers.

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Gamer46
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:35:20 AM
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I always planned to get a PS4 first and that hasn't changed. Xbox One does have some games I'm interested in though, so as long as MS doesn't decide to bring that 24-hour check-in crap back I'll probably buy one in late 2014, early 2015.

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 2:49:29 AM
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Oh they bowed down to the pressure without a doubt. If anything this reminds me of thedark ages conflict with Mass Effect 3's ending. but rather than whining about the teams story - which is invalid, here they have a very strong case as a consumer to revolt.

How does the Xbox Inconsistency weight in comparison now, very well... but the PS4 still has benefits. Apart from all the ones Ben mentioned in the article Kinect is still the deal breaker for me. The idea of having a 1080p camera connected to the internet makes me feel uneasy. But in all honesty i preffer what the PS4 has to offer as a console.

And saly that is what it has come down to this gen, the console itself. Because the majority of games are now multi-platform, Final Fantasy and Metal Gear are the peak of system sellers for me and they're on both None of the exclusives announced for either console caught my interest.While it is nice that were getting all the games (Arugable though, Fable, Halo, Gears of War all are exclusive...) I cant help think it flattens the identity of the console. I bought a PS1 for Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Tekken, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider and many more titles which are now non-exclusive. So really is down to what the consoles themselves have to offer and considering the PS4 is more powerful and been getting praise from developers... yeah I can go with that.

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Banky A
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:15:17 AM
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wow what a classic arcade fighter reversal

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Banky A
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:16:35 AM

this is news to me

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Banky A
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 5:17:43 AM

and they just got a crap load more sales

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___________
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 6:10:21 AM
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once you add the obligatory camera there pretty much the same price!
not to mention the ps4 has no HDMI in so you cant connect other devices through it for pass through.
bloody hell, the whingers have ruined things AGAIN!
great, we dont need to connect online anymore, but now you cannot share your games digitally and nor can you install whole games to the HDD not needing the disc.
thanks whingers, you have destroyed one of the best features next gen consoles were going to bring!
this is a prefect example of why manufactures and developers should NEVER listen to "fans".
because they dont have a flying *&^% what the *^&%# there on about!
whinge about nothing till their face turns blue, then manufactures say ok will bend, and turn a thorn in the finger pain, to a oops i just chopped my leg off pain!
thanks!!!!!
so f*cking sick of the community f*cking things to kingdom come!

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 8:36:57 AM

Haha. So what you're saying, is that Microsoft should have ignored the overwhelming majority, to please the minority?

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 8:54:36 AM

Yeah, man, they those features were sweet and a nice silver lining on that dark cloud of DRM. We were going to put a take a bit of advantage of Microsoft for that inconvenience by setting up a network of five of us that alternated buying games and putting it in the shared cloud unless it was something needed day one or, in the rare case, we wanted to co-op it. Sharing in the 21st century. Now that's gone. Back to the 20th century where I have to physically lend someone a disc and physically have it returned to play it again. Freedom? And if people are thinking Sony is not going to put a halt to the current game-sharing we all do now on PSN, think again. Notice the term 'disc-based' games.

I figured the simple solution to 24 hour check in would have been that the system would revert to a disc necessary system if it were offline after the time period. Or do it manually, like Steam. But even if practical solutions were found for each complaint, the loonies and dopes would not have been satisfied. Hell, they still aren't. I wonder how many positive emails MS is going to get for this? I'm guessing the merest fraction of the ones complaining.

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___________
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:38:28 AM

its not the minority.
ever heard of the term the pissed off are always the most vocal.
just because theres more people whinging like little girls about the online connection requirements does not mean theres more people that hate it than like it.
plus this allowed allot of really cool features.
being able to share games between your friends, even if you never see them.
what am i suppose to do, jump on a plane to QLD so i can trade games with a good friend of mine?
practicality.
i mean for f*cks sake how hard is it to connect a system to your home connection, and spend 1 minute authenticating?
hell they even allow you to connect the system to your phone, and EVERYONE has a mobile connection on their phone!
its assassins creed all over again!
"fans" bitched and whined that the death sequences in the original were so boring so they completely removed them in 2, thus loosing allot of the background info you learnt in the original.
just another example of how the internet is destroying the world!

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pillz81
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:22:46 PM

Stop Whining.

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bldudas1
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 7:30:12 AM
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Gamers did not win. Microsoft just saw all the money they would lose by going with their DRM and always online. They saw the preorder numbers and decided to change to fool people.

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Jed
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 7:31:30 AM
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They bowed to the pressure, no doubt. But it will be enough to bring back a lot of the Xbox fans that were mad about the DRM policies in the first place.

Now they have to deal with the higher price point and the "always on" Kinect issues that had some other core gamers pissed off.

To me they showed their real colors by trying to pull off their original stratigies with DRM and 24 hour check ins. Now that they see that that won't sell consoles they have to turn everything around.

A lot of people got plenty pissed off, but the Xbots are willing to take a lot abuse, so they won't care.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 8:37:20 AM

And the focus on 'TV'.

Yeah, have you seen some of the comments flying around other sites? Jeez those Xbots are like someone who stays with an abusive partner. Every time they beat them up, they just stay there "Oh they didn't mean it, we still love each other".

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:13:12 AM

Lol akuma! I have been saying that for years! All the abuse and everything that they go through. Battered wife syndrome is exactly what they have. I will buy one used when it is cheap enough but, wait long enough too see if they implement their drm again. After they get a few more suckers...err I mean customers in.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:05:00 AM
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Microsoft is such a stupid company. It was a no brainer that this would happen. Why even walk this path to begin with.

I am good with this because of the competition that this Microsoft Revelation will spawn. I only care about Sony and Nintendo so Microsoft can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:15:34 AM

Yup, Nintendo and Sony all the way for me as well. Even if Xbox were to disappear it wouldn't bother me at all, even though they are all targeting different demographics. I enjoyed gaming when it was sega, Nintendo, and Sony. Now it will only Nintendo and Sony if that were to happen.

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jagstatboy
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 9:18:11 AM
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Don't forget the Xbox One's hard drive is still not removable.

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JDC80
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:12:56 AM
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This only give the hardcore Xbox fans the ability to go in a Gamestop and buying a Xbox one without hiding their faces.
At the end of the day the PS4 is still cheaper and along with the same 3rd party titles the PS4 has deep exclusive bench.


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Condemnedsoul23
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:13:33 AM
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I think one important thing to keep in mind is that if all those restrictions were part of their initial plan and they've had a change of heart, that in NO way means they won't implement it for whatever reason 6 months down the road. It can happy easily for a multitude of reasons like pressure from game companies. Plus, once people buy the system what the hell would Microsoft care? This isn't like Netflix in that if you have it and the policy changes or price you cancel it. Once you have an Xbox One, you may have pretty much sold your soul to the devil. I honestly think they are going to reintroduce their original plans over time in increments. Maybe in the inevitable "slim" version. Even PS took away BC in some form in future iterations so this is very much possible.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:23:45 AM
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See? Masses of shambling, drooling, embarrassing, rage-filled gamers can cause good things to happen.

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:06:03 AM

Power to the People!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:39:13 AM

You know just as well as I that the hardcore gamers, the consumers in-the-know who complained bitterly about this, are in the MINORITY. The masses had no clue, as usual. They all went and pre-ordered the Xbox One the instant it was announced.

That's why pre-order numbers for Amazon and GameStop were close to tied for a long time (and now, Xbox One has jumped over the PS4). That obviously didn't reflect the Facebook fan vote where 95% of participants sided with the PS4...

Had nothing happened, the Xbone still would've sold just fine in this country. And you know that, too.

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:29:06 PM

My tongue-in-cheek response above notwithstanding, you're absolutely right Ben. Your average consumer would hear it needs the internet to work, say to him/herself, "I have the internet, no problem," and buy the box and a brand new copy of CoD: Ghosts to play with it.

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Hand_of_Sorrow
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:27:00 AM
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i never planned on buying a xbox 180, nothing will change my
mind, no matter what M$ does.

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Ershin
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:07:04 AM
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Xbox One: Now with a hint of the refreshing taste of PS4.

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:16:30 AM
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It's a HUGE improvement for the X1 in my eyes. As I've written elsewhere on this sight, even as someone with a pretty decent, constant internet connection who never buys used games, I really had a problem with Microsoft's policies. Quite frankly, those policies had more to do with me pre-ordering a PS4 than anything Sony did (though of course the system looks fantastic.)

Now that those awful restrictions are gone? The systems are much closer in quality now, though I'm still taking a wait-and-see approach on X1. Like Dutka, I've been a multi-console owner for like 20 years now. I never miss a system. I too was looking forward to just having one system this cycle -- it sure would save me a lot of cash! But there's no question the X1 already has some intriguing titles: Titanfall, Quantum Break, Ryse and Crimson Dragon are all coming in the first six months or so of launch. That's a NICE lineup, in my eyes.

The PS4 is a must-have, no question. Their lineup will eventually include the latest from Santa Monica and Naughty Dog and their other amazing in-house studio, and very nearly every third party game will come to the system too (Titanfall, as others have noticed, will almost surely be out at some point, the developers all but said so at E3.)

Still, I sure do love video games, and if the X1 has a nice lineup of exclusives that intrigue me enough, I may find myself being a multi-console owner yet again. Let's see what you got, Microsoft...

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:17:45 AM

Oh, and I already have a Wii U because I love love LOVE Nintendo games. So who am I kidding, I'm a multi-console guy through and through :)

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SaiyanSempai
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:47:29 PM

Agreed. MS did the right thing with their about-face on DRM. Now they really seem like a viable competitor to Sony.

The one downside (for me) to MS getting rid of DRM is that I am going to miss the idea of every single one of my friends playing on PS4! :)

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:29:27 AM
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while this does show how spineless MS can be this helps postpone their efforts to stand between games and the hardware. I haven't had love for MS in a long time, if ever. I'm not thrilled to have a PC with Windows product running on it. I'm not thrilled to have a gaming console made by MS either. But at the end of the day it just so happens that software and games made by studios that aren't MS (they're just a publisher after all) exist on MS's platforms.

I won't let negative emotions for MS and their crappy leadership stand in between me and having the best and widest selection of quality games to choose from.

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:02:08 PM

Same here, Temjin. I'm not sure I'll get the X1, at least at launch, but I care about the games more than anything. If they make it worth my while, I'll come up with some cash for it.

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:11:40 PM

yah, I suppose for me the biggest obstacle is being able to consume everything great being made. The days of playing every big gaming hit is over for me it would seem. Things may turn out that between my PS4 and PC, and possibly Wii U, all of my time will be more than spent.

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telly
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 12:25:39 PM

Time is the most precious resource for me, as well, moreso than the money. There's something to be said for not being overwhelmed by the number of games you "have" to play. I miss plenty of them as is.

Still, Titanfall, Chrono Break, Ryse, an eventual new Gears of War... might be hard to resist.

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SaiyanSempai
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 1:41:54 PM
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MS has shown themselves to be completely disconnected or out of touch with their consumers. Not to mention completely unable to learn from other's mistakes on the DRM front with the horrible release Sim City 4 and Diablo 3 and the mess that DRM caused on pc.

There are better ways to implement the digital sharing features that MS tried to do without penalizing gamers in the US and around the world that don't have internet. Quite frankly, the design decision of implementing DRM in such a manner should never have gotten as far as it did.

I think I'll pass on the Xbox One completely.

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redman479
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 3:44:18 PM
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Hell no.................

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PharaohJR
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:58:45 AM
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said it on E3 post, this year E3 was best microsoft confrence but it still doesnt deliver what Sony did. X1 transition feature alone is the reason i believe it will boom of shelves..... got folks in my circle that know nothing bout gaming but choose Xbox over Playstation cause their friends got it. ask them whats big bout it the answer COD & my friends got it......

did my view change consumer wise..... not at all. view did change on sale numbers. looks like dominant console in U.S. market cause of cable feature.

Micro learned a lesson with those monkey policies they almost pulled..... almost lost the brand xbox if they stuck with it. not only did Micro learn i believe other companies learned also for future reference.

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ricksterj
Sunday, June 23, 2013 @ 12:04:43 PM
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It has, I WILL get it......in DUE time thus I will wait.

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EagerGamer
Sunday, June 23, 2013 @ 12:32:52 PM
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It's plain and simply blatantly obvious: Microsoft's hand was forced. They're stubborn and don't change for anyone but they're relatively new to the gaming market and knew they were in deep sh**. If they wanted to put the policies in place that they have now then they would have done to begin with. They're greedy and controlling as has been seen in everything they do. Not just gaming. Sony care, Microsoft don't but conform where necessary for maximum potential earnings. No respect for them at all. I've always used Windows but as soon as I can afford the MacBook I want then I'm getting it. The expense will be worth it for the difference in user experience alone.

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VictorDeLeon
Sunday, June 23, 2013 @ 12:44:21 PM
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nothing can change my view of Microsoft : first they give payoffs to sales assistants if they sell PCs to have Windows crush the market, then they remease a defective console to gain a share of the market, then they make game publishers lie about "full exclusivity" of game to make customers buy their console and the game is released on PS3 later, now the DRm + connexion each day ...
Ther's no way I can trust anything they say ; in a few months those enslaving rules will come back without the gamers knowledge.

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jugheadjones
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:09:17 AM
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Nope. I wasn't planning to buy one anyway. In fact, the XBOXes are just about the only consoles I have never bought into, so I doubt anything they say or do will change that.

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