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Pachter: Now Xbox One Will Equal The Sales Of PlayStation 4

Originally, Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter said the PlayStation 4 would outsell the Xbox One.

But after Microsoft backpedaled and rescinded their most offensive policies (used games will now be fully supported and the "24-hour online check-in" is gone), Pachter has altered his prediction. You knew he would.

According to VideoGamer, Pachter now believes Microsoft's console will equal the sales of the PS4:

"As far as today's announcement, we think that gamers will rejoice, and the focus will shift from Microsoft's onerous policies to the price differential between the Xbox One (at $499) and the PS4 (at $399)."

Pachter doesn't believe the price difference will stop the Xbox One from drawing even with Sony's next-gen machine. He believes Microsoft will "fully level the playing field" but if that doesn't happen, he added that we can expect a price cut for the Xbox One in 2014. Whether or not Microsoft will consider that remains to be seen. But this sounds about right; there's almost no doubt now that the Xbox One and the PS4 will be neck-and-neck.

In this country, don't be surprised if Microsoft once again emerges victorious. ...lotsa sheep out there.

Tags: michael pachter, ps4 sales, xbox one sales, next gen consoles

6/20/2013 10:28:47 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (72 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:39:21 PM
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He must be talking about in the US, there's no chance it will happen worldwide.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:32:59 PM

Yeah, because Xbox One is only available in 21 countries...unless this has now changed after recent change in MS policies.

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 10:55:36 PM
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From what I've been reading on other sites in the comments and polls, yes some are happy about the change but a lot are still unsatisfied. They still hate the forced SpyCam and $500 price tag. But Ben's right, the sheep will likely go crawl back to MS bosom.

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Underdog15
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 1:28:51 AM

Also, is it just me, or are they still implying you need to verify your game when you first get it? They say you don't need 24 hour check ins... but... I dunno. There's still something there with the first play... and I still wonder how it works with people who are always connected.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:22:56 AM

Yeah apparently there is a one time check that I think you have to do when you get the xbox one? As well as you have to patch it first since supposedly the system is already set and ready to go so they're not going to have it patched htat way when you get it. so i've read.

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___________
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 6:17:29 AM

if you hate the spy cam than why not turn the features off?
or if you cant get that tin foil hat off your head than why not put some masking tape over the camera and mic thus making it impossible for it to spy on you?
oh thats right, sorry i forgot people prefer to bitch about things rather than find a simple solution!

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:48:12 PM

It's a required feature you dingbat. And there's no tinfoil hat to be worn when the US government and MS have admitted to spying everyone, including forigners through PRISM. Time to throw your rose colored glasses in the trash and start living in reality.

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Simcoe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:14:36 PM

Well I for one am not the type of person that spends an extra $100 on a gaming system just to cover it with tape!

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:23:24 PM

LOL!

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:34:09 PM

The sheep will but, not all 360 gamers are sheep. ;)

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Crabba
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 5:05:05 PM

"Well I for one am not the type of person that spends an extra $100 on a gaming system just to cover it with tape!"

LOL exactly.

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Fane1024
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 6:13:07 PM

"oh thats right, sorry i forgot people prefer to bitch about things rather than find a simple solution!"

...says the crank who does nothing but complain in every comment he makes.

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bluedarrk
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:03:55 PM
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Worldwide I think the PS4 will easily outsell the Xbox One. Even in the US I think sales will be about even between the two systems.

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daus26
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:12:47 PM
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Right guys. I hope he's talking about the US. If they will be neck and neck in the US, then that's basically a win for Sony.

There's a bunch of sheep for sure. Some of them treat it like pre-ordering the PS4 was a mistake. Like, seriously? Some goes as far as into thinking the PS4 now is the definite, inferior console. smh

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:15:16 PM
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The idea that people who were mad about MS's attempt to jam down bad restrictionist policies but are back on the bandwagon is boggling to me. Why support a company that would even attempt to do this to their fan base? They will try this again.

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SayWord
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:18:26 AM

Those people must love getting screwed, and beaten when they are down. Microsoft is like that super clingy controlling girlfriend and all their fans are spineless cowards who like being controlled or brainwashed by something.

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pillz81
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:48:38 PM

I read that preorders for One are passing the numbers for PS4 since MS's 180.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:56:52 PM

Doubtful until I see some numbers. Over 50% of IGN's readership still wasn't satisfied even after their flip flop.

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pillz81
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 1:07:19 PM

Now I remember where it came from. It was a Gamespot article, and it was talking about Amazon UK. How stupid of me.

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pillz81
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 1:14:24 PM

I see now that the One is now #1 on the chart of Amazon proper.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:24:07 PM

But those numbers are deceiving. There's 4 different PS4 bundles and only two Xbox bundles. Nynja explained this in a past thread.

Here's his post:

"Somewhat off subject:

I keep reading about how the Xbox One is now ahead of the PS4 on the preorders at Amazon. Do people reporting this news realize that within the top 10, there are 4 different PS4 purchase options? Of the top 10, Xbox One holds the #1 spot, while PS4 bundles hold spots #3,4,5,8.

As for intent on purchasing next-gen systems, if you look at the most wished for item, it works out like this:

1. PS4 Launch Day
2. PS4 Standard
3. Xbox One (Day One)
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18. Xbox One Standard

I think some people are missing the whole picture.
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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:02:00 PM

To add to that, Amazon best selling video game product of 2013 list...PS4 = #2 spot. X180 = #7 spot.

I think that should clear things up a bit.

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Xombito
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:20:31 PM
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One thing to consider is that Microsoft will not have the same advantages as this gen for the next gen. The year head start, multiplatform edge and even cross game voice chat. It'll be about the games more than ever. With its first party devs, Sony is in a good position.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:14:13 AM

That's where they are hoping that dropping a ton of cash on early exclusives, timed exclusives, and DLC at the beginning will win them the edge. That's what happened with 360.

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:25:18 PM
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pachter-smachter. I don't see how. In the past lower cost + higher power + equal or better games usually equals a sales advantage right?
So my ticket is on Sony having the advantage for time and all eternity.

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tes37
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:30:43 PM
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I wonder if MS paid Pachter to say that.

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:37:55 PM

MS just hooks him up with goodies and spiffs and camera time product placement on his Gametrailers show.
The dude gets way too much attention for what he is.

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tes37
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:05:39 AM

I don't know how many people will have this misunderstanding, but one of my co-workers was under the impression that only XboxOne supported pc, tablets, and mobile device connectivity. He thought if they had a MS OS on the device, they couldn't link to the PS4 for multiplayer gaming.

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 11:57:04 PM
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Funny, clicked on the source and browsed. Now they're whining DRM is gone. Unbelievable. I understand the concern of developers with used games but I don't believe used games are the same as other software. When you buy Adobe products or other software like it there's a real concern that that disc can be passed around and installed on multiple computers distributed to multiple users from a single disc. That just isn't the case with games. The software is permanently tied to the disc. Only one user can use it at a time. It's not like people burn copies of games(perhaps hackers can but there a small group) using a single disc then distribute it that way. Used games to me are no different than loaning a friend a bluray movie, DVD etc. if the movie industry can strive with places like Red Box and in the past, BlockBuster, there should be no reason gaming couldn't adjust with a used market.

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tes37
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:17:39 AM

MS managed to change the way I feel about used games. Now that I know you can't make a distinction between used games and friends loaning and trading games, I no longer have a negative view of used game sales.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:25:36 AM

I've gone back and forth but I've come to the conclusion that used games aren't any different than renting or barrowing a movie. If they were as easy to burn as music CDs or as easy to crack as computer software I might feel differently but until then the industry needs to figure out a way to adjust like Hollywood did. License restrictions makes sense for computer OS's or general software because the data is taken off the disc and installed. All of you. Once installed you no longer need the disc. Not so with games.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:48:20 AM

I mean...*all of it*. Not all of you.

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Underdog15
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 1:32:11 AM

I still wish there was a way for the industry to get a portion of the insane used sales net profits of gamestop. Even 1-2% of the used game net sales of that company alone is enough to produce 1 AAA title per year. I know some of it goes into new games, but that's an extremely small piece of the pie.

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Akuma07
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:12:22 AM

There should be royalty payments from the retailers for every used game sold.

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Simcoe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 9:44:16 AM

Jawknee, there is no reason why MS (or Sony for that matter) can't have a "Family Share" programme for downloaded games purchased through PSN/XBLIVE.

For the record I do prefer to purchase disc-based games when possible, especially when there is no incentive to buy digitally. Five dollars savings on the PSN store with a PS+ subscription is not incentive enough for me, when I have to worry about ridiculous monthly download caps from ISP's and games like Uncharted 3, come in at 40 GB.

Underdog, there is a way that publishers could profit from Gamestop: purchase shares in the company!

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Underdog15
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 10:44:47 PM

That's a terrible idea for them to buy shares, in my opinion, of course. Investing in technology heavily enough to reap big rewards is too risky. Technology is ok to make a small portion of a portfolio in a higher risk fund, but it's a bad idea.

Even in years when their net gain is massive, they've sometimes given shareholders very little in dividends (one year only 10% of profit share) and kept most to stimulate growth. As you know, in some overseas countries, the expansion didn't work, and many shut down. So even though they raked in profits for their CEO's to have, the shareholders saw very little growth and dividends, and in some cases, losses.

Even gamestop hasn't posted a year over year consistent payout of dividends to their shareholders, and the last couple years indicate a potential slow down. Add in the fact there is a business risk with the eventual movement to more DLC based buying, the future is too unpredictable.

Also, when you buy shares, that money is locked up until you sell those shares, and you're suggesting holding as a part owner. And like I said, they keep changing the distribution of dividends each year. (Companies always withhold some profit to help stimulate growth. The rest is paid out to shareholders.) They've done 50%, 10%, no pay out, a couple years of stock value loss due to expansion outweighing overall profits...

In other words... that's not the answer. Of course, I'm only a rookie investor myself and it could turn out that I'm wrong, but there's no way of knowing until after the fact... and with an inconsistent history and unpredictable future with no indication of likelihood of significant growth... I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, personally. :p

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kraygen
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:22:59 AM
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I want this man's job. If tomorrow MS claimed they were selling Xbox one's for $1 pachter would the following day post,

"I predict the xbox one will outsell the ps4."

Really!?!?!?! Holy cow, this guy's amazing!

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:16:31 PM

Ditto. I've made some predictions in the past myself and have been accurate just as many times as Pachter, if not more. ...Maybe I should consider a career change.

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Dukemz_UK
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:46:31 PM

But Nynja, first u need a side view picture of a constipated, goggled rat...
Oh, wait, that IS Pachter?!

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:56:45 PM

Don't get me wrong, I like to hear what he has to say. Sometimes he states the obvious, but not everyone sees the obvious. I'm fond of playing devil's advocate, so hearing all facts and opinions matter.

Still, I want his job :)

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PC_Max
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:28:04 AM
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Okay, someone tell me if I am incorrect or not.... the whole DRM thing and used games issue... still really is not resolved. Well not entirely. Did not Sony say that it was up to developers whether they locked out the reusablity or selling/trading of their games? And if that is so, did not MS say the same thing?

So if devs start whining... then they are whining about that THEY have to come out from hiding behind the console Bosses and stick it to the gamer... or not. Its been left up to them. So really we are still in the same situation, only maybe less so, cuz the devs know what everyone thinks and they will have to come back with some plan, Online Passes, to counter it. Or something even worse... high pricing or more costly DLC.

Who knows. The devs may decide to only release games digital now to counter whats happened. If they do, they would be smart to do it slowly and surely so the SHOCK won't be as noticeable. But I think it still will be since gamers have shown, to some degree, how smart and aware they can be.

And yes, like I have said in other posts, Xbox gamers will go back to Xbox. Now rather than later I think. Of course same could be said for us Sony gamers, but I think we have a better understanding of what we are getting, possibly, for the money we would spend on the purchase of the PS4 and the game library.

I think Sony has the better exclusives thus far myself, The Order having intrigued me amongst others. All I am seeing from the MS camp is the same old same type of exclusive. I think MS battle will be with DLC and extra first day purchase content.

God knows. All this has just gotten me to thinking there are other forms of entertainment out there and fiasco with MS is just frigging juvenile.

Might be getting close to retire. :)

Keep Playing!

PS - Pachter go back to sleep.


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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 12:52:43 AM

I don't think most devs will risk alienating physical format buyers simply because MS caved on DRM. Consumers still aren't at the point of all downloads, all the time. I don't buy full digital games unless I have to. Just makes less sense to me especially given that my 500gb HDD is already full just with the stuff I've gotten from PS+ for free. I added Uncharted 3 to my download list for later on if I decide I want to play it while I'm traveling and don't want to hull a bunch of games around. But I would have never bought that wopper of a 40gb file.

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Knightzane
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 1:59:39 AM
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Kinect is still a requirement. Kinect also needs online to function. So... They didn't lie technically... But they sure mastered the art.

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Bjorn77
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:53:11 AM
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Well if Pachter says it will happen then you can bet your ass it won't happen at all. The guy is wrong all the time.

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Simcoe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 9:54:16 AM

He did predict that MS would drop these DRM policies before they actually did, so perhaps not "all" the time.

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dolabla
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:43:14 AM
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He's gotta be talking about the US. PS3 released a year later than 360 and was still able to sell around the same amount (if not more) consoles. And that was with Sony having frick ups with a much higher price tag etc.

The Playstation brand is a bigger (more worldwide) brand than Xbox. They'll release around the same time this gen, so no year head start for Xbox like last time. And the PS4 is $100 cheaper and the more powerful console.

Gamers around the world will eat that up.

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Simcoe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 10:03:16 AM

As of May, the PS3 has pulled ahead of the 360 in total lifetime global sales.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/13174.html

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Beamboom
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 6:02:20 AM
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Oh come on, this is just too obvious to bother stating. With the two platforms being significantly more similar, the market shares will also to a greater extent reflect the current market shares.
This is just *too* obvious.

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___________
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 6:23:13 AM
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yea i dont see why not.
the platforms are going to be allot more standardized this time, and it looks like M$ are FINALLY investing in some first party studios so we can finally start seeing more exclusives.
all the things that separated the companies this gen, are now gone.

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Agrippa
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 9:43:48 AM
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I find it very unprofessional & unfair when someone tries to belittle others opinions choices by calling them sheep. That could easily be said about either side. I won't discuss Microsoft previous policies since their no longer accurate but lets just say I agreed with some and disagreed with some.

Now on to the topic point sales. I for one have already reserved my Xbox one that's my console of choice and will probably get a PS4 in 2014 sometime when Naughty Dog comes out with another game lol. Anyways I believe PS4 will outsell it worldwide for sure it's simply 100$ less and that will make a lot of peoples choices easier for them. However I think even if they were the same price I think ps4 would still slightly edge it out worldwide that's just my opinion. Does that mean Ps4 is better? No of course not; more popular? Yes but as long as their both successful that's good enough for me.

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bigrailer19
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 10:50:54 AM

Well we all know from this generation sales numbers mean nothing.

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Simcoe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 10:16:15 AM
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If the tables were turned and Sony tried to force this DRM stuff down my throat, I would be looking at alternatives. If they reversed their decision, I'd probably go back. Sony owns just too many IP that I care about (Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted and now The Last of US) that I know I cannot get on any other platform, not even PC. Granted, I'd still be very pissed at them for even thinking of forcing to impose something like that.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:03:49 PM
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I wonder if Pachter is aware of the manufacturing issues MS is experiencing. Early rumors regarding Xbox One component shortages prior to console reveal appears to be true. eSRAM yields are not going well for MS which is slowing down production. It's actually pretty amazing that MS was even able to set a launch date this year. It likely has to do with them outsourcing to many, many different fabs. Reports say that PS4 components have already started shipping while Xbox One will start shipping sometime in Q3 of 2013.

With more news coming out that GameStop now has an unlimited amount of PS4s available for pre-order until further notice, I find this hard to believe.

Source about X180 manufacturing issues:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869

I'd like to toot my own horn for a second...Several months back, there were some articles found on PSXE about some of Pachters predictions for upcoming consoles as to when they would be released and whether or not Sony would beat MS to the punch.

I stated the PS4 would launch before next Xbox. Also, that PS4 will launch in 2013. If I remember correctly, it was in direct contradiction with Pachter's prediction.

That all said, I think Pachter is wrong here. PS4 sales will outstrip Xbox One by a ratio close to 2.5 to 1.

By end of year, if Sony is able to sell 2.5 million PS4s, MS will have sold 1 million.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:51:45 PM

Here is the post from NeoGAF that explains how yields work.

SneakyStephan wrote:

"Basically they create a large circular silicon wafer and put the conducting pathways for the (processor or memory) chip on it.

On one of these wafers they can fit many chips which they then cut out (like baking a pizza and cutting it into identical slices)

There will however be defects on the wafer, the chips that occupy the areas that have the defects on them are either useless or can be used as lower end parts by disabling part of the chip
(like if a gpu has 18 compute units you could only use 16 if the defect is on one of the others, ps4 already does this by only using 18 out of 20 cus so they can have two for redundancy to improve yields)

Not all of them come out as well as the others and some can handle more voltage than others, so they can be higher clocked.

Now the problem is that when you have really large chips.
The larger the chip the bigger the chance that each chip will have a defect. (exponentially much so)
If you have 10 defects on your wafer but you fit 100 small dies on the wafer then only at most 10 , so ten percent, will be throwaway or salvaged as low end part, but if you only fit 10 on there then it's likely that many of them may have one of those defects.
You could easily have to throw away 30-50 percent or even all of them.

Xbox one uses APU which is a really big die that needs to house the cpu, gpu AND in xbox one's case also the ESRAM which takes up a huge amount of transistors and therefor physical space on the chip.
They end up with little hardware power yet a huge (5 billion transistor) die, so they have low yields.
Normally low end hardware only takes a tiny little die so yields are good, but for some reason that either MS engineers or suits/beancounters can only know they decided to go for this huge ass APU with esram.

From my limited knowledge Sony ended up with a lot more bang for their buck... they put their die space into a bit more gpu power and didn't design their apu around needing esram (since they didn't cheap out on the vram, which is a collection of seperate chips that are embedded on a PCB and connected to the APU through a memory bus)
Meanwhile MS seems to have thrown the baby out with the bathwater."

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:55:07 PM

Even MORE dirt on the upcoming X180... Apparently the way MS has decided to improve yields for the Xbox One in order to achieve a 2013 holiday launch (in attempt to not let Sony have it all to themselves), they are reducing component clock speeds. This is their solution to improving production after making some poor design decisions with using DDR3, eSRAM, and a larger than normal die.

A post from a NeoGAF user explains it pretty well.

'thuway' wrote:

"For everyone asking- this information is all pretty recent. Around the PlayStation Meeting the Xbox One was way behind (OS + hardware). Engineers were scrambling to get things sorted out.

It turns out, they didn't sort it out. The OS you saw was a complete and total lie. The current plan is to get the yields up, lower the clock rate, and to have enough units out for a sell out in the Fall.

For those asking how this affects performance- to be perfectly frank; it is nothing turning down features won't solve. The mass market will never notice a difference between 1080p and 900p; neither will they care about dynamic shadows / global illumination / or tesselation. Go to your PC - and turn shadows from Ultra to medium, disable tesselation, and lower the resolution to 900p; and you'll find games run totally fine.

Microsoft is purely behind and it's now time to make drastic decisions. I don't think any one is happy about the lower clocks, but no one is depressed about it either. The Xbox One is an all-in-on device; and that's how it will be marketed."

It's like PS3 vs 360 all over again, expect flip-flopped. AND except, the more complicated device architecture is actually less powerful.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:00:05 PM

Unbelievable. MS is such a sleazy company. They truly are a stain on just about every industry they participate in. This likely means well see mediocre multiplatform games on the on the ps4.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:03:48 PM

Agreed. They never were great hardware manufacturers. Software, sure. Just not hardware. Again, MS is rushing their system...Do I sense RRoD fiasco all over again? Bets? Any takers? I say, very high probability - that is IF they don't suck it up and change their launch date to Q4 of 2013.

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:13:43 PM

Yea, I'm willing to bet well have another high failure rate. Your posts got me digging and its looking like they're under clocking it because of heating issues with the GPU. Lol! Unbelievable.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:35:42 PM

It's amazing how MS is screwing up so bad. Windows 8, Surface, RT, Xbox One...I mean wow. How many screw ups can this mega corporation have and not buckle?

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Simcoe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:05:46 PM

Wow, thanks Nynja for all the sleuthing! ;-)

Regarding the fact that MS did announce a November launch date, my (cheeky) response is "well of course they would as that is when Call of Duty comes out". I could very well see MS scaling back availability, even removing some countries, from the November launch date just to ensure that they have enough consoles for the North American the UK markets, if all these reports do pan out.

Neither Sony or MS can afford to miss a Christmas release date. Would be a huge advantage for Sony if they're able to have several million more units available prior to December 25th.

Also, you're right about how semiconductors are made and the differences between the higher and lower quality "pieces", it's called "binning". This comes from the representative "bin" the different qualities would be sorted into.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:59:44 PM

Latest release date rumors;

PS4 = Nov. 13, 2013 (UK)
X180 = Nov. 27, 2013 (UK)

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 2:47:13 PM
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This is pretty interesting.

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:03:41 PM

Whatcha posting? I wanna see!

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Simcoe
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:08:52 PM

I'm betting it's a link of some kind!

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:19:36 PM

haha, good guess!

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Jawknee
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:26:03 PM

It's a gamespot twitter fight over who's supporting who. Sony is whooping it all over the world.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 4:58:45 PM

Nice! Knew about previous twitter polls, but not this one. 79% vs 21%...doesn't look good for MS.

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Simcoe
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 10:14:55 AM

Hmm, it's kind of surprising that the Xbox One gets the most love (by quite a large margin, no less) in Saudi Arabia, and the most overall votes too. Wonder what's going on there.

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Nynja
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 3:47:38 PM
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Where's Highlander? I miss the tech talk with him during next-gen days.

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JROD0823
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 5:24:53 PM

I believe Highlander has been M.I.A. as of late because he hasn't quite finished eating his serving of crow after being ridiculously over-the-top negative and critical about every point concerning the PS4 after its reveal in February.

He probably can't stand the fact that Sony's plans to use more conventional computer components this time around are working out so well for them.

I really just think Highlander wanted to see Sony spend another $1 billion+ R&Ding newfangled technology for the PS4, instead of trying to get their money back in the black asap.

I miss having Highlander around as well, don't think I don't.

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DarthNemesis
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 8:12:17 PM
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The 360 was only very successful because of the year head start, the cheaper price and Sony messing up the PS3 launch. This time Sony is ready with a cheaper console and will meet the supply demand and there will be no reason to purchase an Xbox over the PlayStation especially with the best games on both consoles being multiplat, though both Drice Club and Shadowfall looks far superior to anything the XO will have at launch.

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PC_Max
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 8:15:44 PM
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Well, all the knowledge and predictions of how well the XboxOne will perform is interesting, but we shall in in practice.

The same could be said about Sony's PS4. Possibilities of hardware issues during the manufacturing process, which maybe no one knows about yet, but the possibility is there.

I am not saying its going to or not happen to either console. And yes... the PS4 is my choice, being with Sony consoles since the beginning. I hope there are no hidden negative surprises for first day buyers. No Bricks or having to deal with massive firmware updates, MS excepted on launch.

Just hope Sony has been on top of quality control and not rushed things. I know they have been for focussed on PS4 for many years now, but.... just hoping. I would like to buy a PS4 next year without worrying about it ... for at least 5 years of constant use. :)

Keep Playing!

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