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Could Kingdom Hearts III Actually Outsell Final Fantasy XV?

There was a time when we should've scoffed at the suggestion.

Kingdom Hearts is great and all but a new entry outselling a new Final Fantasy? Impossible.

Well, that was before the once-dominant FF franchise completely tanked with the FFXIII trilogy. The last entry, the depressingly mediocre Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, only managed to sell just over a million units worldwide. Its predecessor, FFXIII-2, sold less than 2.7 million, while FFXIII did comparatively well with just over 5.3 million. Of course, to have a final entry sell one-fifth of the first game in that trilogy is just comically bad.

Now, Kingdom Hearts II sold a combined 4.3 million copies, which is hugely significant. It almost seems as if FFXV has zero chance of outselling KHIII considering these numbers, right? Not only has FF's reputation fallen into the toilet but Kingdom Hearts remains widely beloved and, perhaps, just as popular as ever. So, maybe the question isn't, "will KHIII outsell FFXV?" but rather, "by how much will KHIII outsell FFXV?"

What say you?

Related Game(s): Kingdom Hearts III, Final Fantasy XV

Tags: final fantasy xv, ffxv sales, kingdom hearts 3 sales, kingdom hearts iii sales

1/11/2016 9:45:36 PM Ben Dutka

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, January 11, 2016 @ 10:23:12 PM
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I never thought about this but you have a point. I see KH3 as a Day1 purchase and the latest FF as a $20 purchase, if at all.

The hype for KH3 is/will be huge. The franchise continues to climb in terms of quality and anticipation. Final Fantasy is the exact opposite.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 11:15:56 AM

"I see KH3 as a Day1 purchase and the latest FF as a $20 purchase, if at all."

Yup, me too.

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ethird1
Monday, January 11, 2016 @ 10:24:42 PM
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Anything is possible with the Disney Hype machine behind your back.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, January 11, 2016 @ 10:32:04 PM

Tomorrowland
The Lone Ranger
John Carter
Treasure Planet

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FAREEZ
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 4:04:53 AM

Star Wars: The Force Awakens
The Avengers
Frozen
Guardian of the galaxy

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 10:18:46 AM

Shell bras

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xenris
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 12:07:11 AM
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I love KH and would buy it over KH15 if I could only choose one. However I am looking forward to FF15 quite a bit.

I think KH3 will sell a lot because of the Disney branding, and it has a broader appeal. It is going to hook the younger generation and all the people who are older like myself who fell in love with KH 1 and 2 will be jumping on it.

So yeah it should outsell it.

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shaytoon
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 2:22:23 AM
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short or long term, it wont make a difference because i think kh3 will outsell ff15. possibly by several million more

kh3 has been long overdue. a story that everyone has been waiting to finish. i wish i could play kh1 and 2 as a refresher. or at least something where the story is fluid and not mixed up in 20 different 1.5 X HD 2.5 and a half super hd version remixed 1/2 + 3/4 multiplied by 1.5 super american usa version, but excluding hawaii and alaska NTSC/PAL 2015, but only on the 3ds and not the new one or the original one. (lol sorry i couldnt resist making fun of them)

as mentioned in the article (and for those who have common sense) ff has tanked since 13. i didnt care for 13, i liked 12 a lot better. i didnt bother with 13s "trilogy" either as i was super annoyed with all the characters and story. i just wanted the game to end.

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daus26
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 3:01:46 AM
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I know it has nothing to do with it, but it seems like this site is the last site you'd want to be in if you're actually looking forward to this game. Zero enthusiasm, not even a sense of neutral ground.

Personally, I wouldn't judge FFXV success based on FFXIII's trilogy number. It's like judging FFXII success by FFX2 numbers. FFX sold about 8.5 million. It's sequel was about 3 million down at 5 million. If there was a FFX3, it would probably be around 2-3 million. Purely speculative of course, but it's not a far stretch that every sequel to a FF will sell less and less.

Every FF is completely new pretty much, so I'd give it to FFXlll numbers, rather than the sequel. So that makes it sound 5 million. So for kingdom hearts to beat it, it would need to be a million more than its best.

So yeah, it's definitely possible. I got the feeling that FFXV will be marketed better tho.

I so feel this site's vibe of wanting FFXV to fail HARD lol. Then there will be an article about I told you so SE, turn based rules.

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Cideus
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 6:35:22 AM

Ben has wanted FFXV to fail since it was announced that it is no longer VsXIII. Almost every day he has a post as to why he won't like this FF entry. Frankly I'm bored of his ranting on this game. Makes me cringe to come to this site which I've been coming to for years for my PSx news. I hope it destroys his expectations and becomes one of the biggest FF titles in a long time. Battle systems are the only thing in a FF game that keeps me coming back. It's the deep engaging stories even if you have to read tons of primers to get it all. It's what makes the FF lore the best IMHO.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 9:39:11 AM

@daus26
I actually think the failure of Lightning Returns is indicative of something. (Lets face it... it was a less than mediocre game. Only hardcore fans of Lightning would really dig it.) I get why people wouldn't all go for X-2 like they would X. Battle system was stellar, but the story wasn't all that great. Especially compared to X. Also, the big difference there for me is that 3.5 million is still a success. 1 million is BARELY successful for a new IP, let alone the finale in a Final Fantasy series. What happened between X-2 and LR that made 2/3 of those that bought X-2 not care about how the story ends?

Heck, Ni No Kuni sold 1.5 million and it had already previously released in Japan and had little traction there. NA and Europe NNK beat the overall sales of FF:LR... namesake alone of FF should have done better, imo.

@Cideus
I agree that with XV and VII he's pretty pessimistic about how they'll turn out (I'm pessimistic about XV, but not VII), but I still think he can be depended on to give as objective a view as possible.

Don't worry, I won't say that without proof. ;) Look at FFXIII and FFXIII-2. (Your tone indicating a potential criticism of needing to read primers leave me to believe you are talking about him hating XIII) Both of those games he's spoken about critically in regards to Final Fantasy's history. But they were given an 8.7 and 8.5 here respectively.

In other words, while you have enough of a point for me to accept your opinion on his writing in regards to editorials, (minus the "every day" thing. That's laughably inaccurate) I don't see that same coming true for reviews. I actually think compared to most reviewers out there, while no one is by any means perfect at it, Ben seems to be pretty good at parting opinion in editorials with objective writing in reviews. (For a recent example, he was stoked about Amplitude, but still scored it relatively low.)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 10:20:05 AM

We are mostly FF purists here so it isn't surprising. XV just looks like some other game.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 11:18:27 AM

"Almost every day he has a post as to why he won't like this FF entry."

Yeah? Every day? List them, with links. Right now.

I haven't done an editorial on FFXV in months. All that has been posted is news and there is no "ranting" in any of it. This is about Kingdom Hearts III outselling FFXV, which is feasible considering the sales numbers for each franchise. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the possible quality of each title.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 10:05:31 AM
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I'm not necessarily against a more live-action feel to Final Fantasy games if it could be done expertly while maintaining the lore, customization, and freedom the game has always had.

But one thing I still don't understand is this:

At what point did a turn based mechanic stop working? When did it fail? I keep wondering about that, but I don't see evidence of that anywhere. FFXIII had flaws like leader-death = death for all or the slow as molasses pacing, but it was still turn based, and it sold quite well. In fact, the worst selling game in the trilogy was the game that was very actiony.

As I said... if it needs to be action oriented to be successful, that's one thing. And that's fine if it keeps everything else that's great, as far as I'm concerned. But I still struggle with WHY. People say it's outdated or obsolete or that the only reason they did that in the first place is because they had no choice. (The last point is fair, but that just indicates why they created it. It doesn't accommodate for the fact that maybe they stumbled on something people actually enjoy.)

No one seems to truly know, WITH PROOF, why turn based would be destined for failure. It's just an assumption based on what other games have sold a ton. But turn based has not in its own right proven it would not be successful. It has not proven there's no room. Business 101 teaches you need to provide something different to be relevant. Why go sell your apples at another apple orchard?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 10:24:49 AM

I'd say it never once proved itself outdated or not useful, to the contrary action based RPGs always always always have less available moves and strategy, staples of FF.

What seems to have happened was the shift to Western games as the epitome of what is good and here we can't survive without hectic stress followed by bouts of pill abuse and mental illness. The game critics jumped on board (also at a time when a fresh crop of youngsters took over internet game reporting) and they declared successful gameplay old and dead because it isn't what they grew up with.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 1:37:17 PM

Exactly. And that's the issue. That's why I have a hard time accepting the departure from turn-based. With legitimate reasons... sure. Absolutely.

But there's nothing objective to prove it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 10:18:09 AM
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Yes.

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SuMtOnE
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 1:40:05 PM
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Damn both of them looks just as good. But I have past my prime in playing video games. with 2 kids and another on the way. They're taking TOO long to release it . what over 10 years. Now I just enjoy watching people play on youtube to know the story and watch the amazing cgi. =(

"A Long time, Too long. How much longer." This quote says it all

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Underdog15
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 2:08:24 PM

You must be insanely busy outside of family life.

I work a 9-5 job 40 hour week, play volleyball on Tuesdays, referee, and I also have 2 kids age 2 and 4.

Still get lots of family time in. And still get to play games.

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Banky A
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 2:31:39 PM
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Yes it definitely will.

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TheOldOne
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 6:03:03 PM
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FFXV - Day one purchase..... KH3....i need proof is good to see if i get it on the release month (I liked the 1st but skipped the rest).

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shadowpal2
Tuesday, January 12, 2016 @ 8:30:14 PM
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Considering how much FFXV has changed since Nomura has stepped off from direction...I would actually buy KHIII over FFXV.

FF Versus XIII was something I was really looking foward to, but now that the dark theme/environment/style has changed quite a bit - not to sure. I'll still buy it though since I enjoy the KH-style gameplay.

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Ydobon
Wednesday, January 13, 2016 @ 3:02:20 AM
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Times have changed. Honestly, based on kingdom hearts recent sale figures. I believe they both can break the 1 million club, but beyond that (2 mill and up) I kind of doubt it at this point. Despite me liking kingdom hearts more, it is a even match with ff 15. It won't sell that many more.

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