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The One Thing Sony Needs For Playstation 4 Domination

The past few months have been pretty wild with console news haven't they?

For the most part the gamer love has been lopsidedly in favor of Sony the whole time too. The Playstation 4 reveal conference went over swimmingly and after we found out for certain that the system would be flexing 8GB of DDR5 RAM the developers sang its praises to the heavens for a good long time.

After that Microsoft revealed a somewhat less powerful machine with some very user-unfriendly restrictions. It was downhill from there; after a big public backlash they went ahead and doubled down on these restrictions at E3. Rage ensued across the interwebs and eventually Microsoft backed down with a 180 degree reversal on their DRM policies.

The change prompted Michael Pachter to adjust some sales predictions for the Xbox One to put it on par with those of Playstation 4. There's the history lesson, but what comes next? As I crawl the net I see that Xbox supporters are starting to feel better about coming into the sunlight to support their system. We shouldn't forget that there is still plenty of time left for Microsoft's paid plants, purchased exclusives, and faithful masses to make up the difference.

The fact is Microsoft still has time to throw a net over Sony. So I asked myself, what could Sony do to put down this resurgence? Having the better system at a lower price is a good start but not a deathblow. Are there any big moves left to be made? Then it hit me: mods.

The answer is so simple and yet so elegant. The modding community is big, rabid, resilient, prolific, willing to work for free, and I can't think of a single console gamer who wouldn't like to have access to some of the incredible mods that PC gamers have come up with. Since the guts of the PS4 will rely on PC architecture one would think that a high quality mod, once complete, could be ported over to PS4 with a bit of work and cooperation.

How would it work? I honestly don't know, there are people much smarter than I who are paid to figure these things out. While I doubt we could have the ability to patch just any old mod onto the next Elder Scrolls I can't see why the most popular mods couldn't appear on the store for a nominal fee. For supported games, say the next Elder Scrolls, Bethesda and Sony could approach the mod developers the same way they do indie developers and offer to work with them to bring it to the store where everybody can make a little money while the consumer gets more out of their game.

This is perfectly in keeping with the Play. Create. Share motto as well as the open nature of development and publishing for the Playstation 4 that gives indie developers so much wiggle room. Will this happen? Probably not. It could be a bit of a nightmare to begin the process but I think consumer support would make the effort worth it and make the Playstation 4 that much more attractive to gamers. One thing is for certain though, there would be a lot fewer hoops to jump through to get mods on PS4 than there would for Xbox One, and that makes it something worth considering.

Related Game(s): The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Tags: Playstation 4

6/23/2013 10:25:23 PM David Nelson

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MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:07:44 AM
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I don't know if I'm one of the few but I don't want Mods and PS4 to ever go on a date. For me it's a NoNo

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:29:48 AM

Same here, keep mods away from PS4 please. Ruins the "fairness".

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 7:46:42 AM

Unreal tournament on the ps3 had them. They were awesome! So yes, do bring mods along people. It wasn't Sony, it was up to the developers to implement it and also the creator of such mod to allow the ps3 version to use it.

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Teddie9
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 10:07:30 AM

What fairness? People should be allowed to play the game how they want to - and Sawao is right it would be at the developers discretion how much one could do (ie they'd most likely restrict changes to the multiplayer that gave ridiculous advantages with non-modders.

If you don't want to use them then you'd have the option to otherwise it isn't a mod.., but that isn't a reason for other people to be restricted from doing so.

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Cavan1
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 5:20:24 PM

sawao

Yes i was going to say this, just like mouse and keyboard support, the ps3 already did this. Sadly i believe unreal tournament (a game i imported from the us to the UK) was the only game i can think of that had the mods, and the mouse and keyboard support.

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newchef
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:13:26 AM
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read through the article, went on another site and it hit me...thats a freaking DoA: Volleyball model in Skyrim

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:19:42 AM

Actually I think it's Juliet from Lollipop Chainsaw.

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mk ultra
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:56:54 AM

I stared at that photo for about 30 seconds trying to figure out what game that was. After I read the article, I figured it was some type of mod, but thank you for identifying it.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:32:17 AM

That's not the Lollipop chainsaw girl, is it? Its from that fighting game with females only with big bewz. I think.

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newchef
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 11:33:50 AM

not exactly sure what game this is, but now that you mention it it does look like Juliet

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Clamedeus
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 1:39:22 PM

Place your cursor over the picture and all will be revealed!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:25:50 PM

yeah I put that caption in, but cmon who else could it be?

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Clamedeus
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 3:10:52 PM

Looks exactly like Juliet if you ask me.

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bluedarrk
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:18:24 AM
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I would love to have access to some of the great Mods for Elder Scrolls on PS4. I bet it has been talked about since Bethseda really wants to work with Sony and not have the whole Skyrim disaster.

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mk ultra
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:52:40 AM
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That could be fun. Please be gentle with me cause I have next to no tech knowledge, but since the architecture will be the same, or similar, would it be possible to develop mods for PS4 exclusives? I'm not saying develop them right on the PS4, but make them on the PC and port them right over somehow, or would it being a closed system not allow for that?

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frylock25
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 5:34:03 AM

if it is exclusive there would be no pc counter part to develop on. there would be no existing code to start from.

so no

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mk ultra
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 1:38:21 PM

Oh yeah, didn't think of that. Thanks.

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bigrailer19
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 1:49:25 AM
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Didnt Unreal Tournament allow mods for PS3? Anyways that game was awesome. Honestly didnt play it enough nor did it get enough credit.

Anyways I dont care for mods much. Wouldnt matter to me one way or the other. I honestly think what could help Sony out a lot even though its been pretty quiet, is free online. Havong to purchase Plus just to play online seems wrong after so many years of not having to.

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BTNwarrior
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 4:17:12 AM

Its a shame that game didn't do better, could have really changed the industry if it was a hit and more games implemented the modding community into consoles

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Clamedeus
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 7:01:59 AM

Yeah, Unreal Tournament 3 had mods, maps, skins etc.

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 7:48:41 AM

Yes it did. I remember creating my level for it. It was so great and I wished more games followed on what epic did in that game. It was very easy to allow your mod to go to the ps3 version. There was a bit extra tinkering but it worked in the long run.

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bigrailer19
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 11:11:26 AM

I just vaguely remember a level mod; somebody actually created a snowboardinglevel using the hover board thing. Pretty cool actually.

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BattleFox21
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 1:58:11 AM
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The other thing they could do is buy themselves some exclusive titles. Honestly, exclusive DLC is nice n all but if they want to hurt xbox they need to buy some exclusives n not timed exclusives either. we all know M$ will be doing it, but right now if I'm an ex-xbot that's what I would want to see from either side n M$ has never been afraid to buy them. Right now, I think M$ has got some worth looking at. They need to tip that scale back in their favorite.

P.S. This is the things I'm also hearing from youtubers.

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kraygen
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:18:34 PM

Sony is already known for making the best exclusive games available, no need for them to buy exclusives.

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BattleFox21
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 @ 4:40:46 AM

btw I wasn't talking first party support because we know SOny has that locked down. heck even if they bought out xbox's exclusives to make them more multiplat would be great

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Beamboom
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 1:59:30 AM
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The possibility for mods has nothing to do with architecture but all to do with accessibility to the files themselves, on the hard drive.

On a PC you can add and replace and edit files on your drive and create additional tools to modify the game, while it's not that easy on a console. At the very least we would need a user interface, but also the security system would need to accept such modifications.

I believe the only way we could get it would be to receive the mods through official channels, ergo as DLC. And that pretty much ends this dream. :(

But yeah, it would have been fantastic if we were given this chance. There really are a lot of great stuff going on in the modding communities.

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 7:57:24 AM

Unreal tournament on the ps3 allowed you to do so. You could download it straight from the ps3 web browser and install them from your console. Sony allowed them to do so just because epic asked. Microsoft on the other hand didn't because it would be "free" content. Epic couldn't find a way around it and just abandoned it on the Xbox.

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Beamboom
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 8:36:19 AM

You could? Now that is cool! But how did you install the custom maps on the PS3? Did it pop up a file browser? Or did Unreal look in a download directory or something?

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 9:51:40 AM

I am actually unsure how it went about. Ok, I remember now. You could download it to a flash card and pop up your game. Then install the maps, skins, or whatever they had. The creator of the mod had to make it work on the ps3 version as well so they could test it on the platform if they wanted. I only ever really made one and made sure that it worked on it. It played the same way as it did on pc without any problems. Although, some mods were never tested properly and would sometimes end up corrupting the game and its files sadly enough.

The more larger ones were never brought over even though there were enough ps3 players supporting it. The resident evil 4 one I was looking forward to it on the ps3 but it never arrived. Plus it had mouse and keyboard support which was a plus in my book!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:14:58 PM

I assumed a fan-made pc mod would be more easily ported. Could be wrong.

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HUSO
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 4:00:23 AM
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The logistics of introducing mods on the PS4 would be a nightmare. Maybe there is an opportunity for some developer sponsored mods to appear. imo the biggest downside of mods are that they are not always reliable, and on the pc side ppl always download/install mods for games at their own risk. The potential ability to brick a console by installing some mod for bigger boobs is scary.

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Bjorn77
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 4:12:21 AM
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It sounds good in theory, but PC Multiplayers a ruined with cheaters. People who mod their guns to shoot through walls. 1 hit kill pistols... Yes, bring that to the PS3 and ruin the system.

Thanx, but no thanx!

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 7:55:02 AM

Unreal tournament had them and it didn't ruin the online. They are pretty good at blocking cheaters, it is easier to cheat on cod with god mode than it is unreal tournament. At least the ps3 one, the pc one had a few bad eggs but what community doesn't? I remember going back to U2 and running into a bunch of hackers once the ps3 was hacked and couldn't play because of their crap.

Guess the developers could keep a vigilant eye on their network and ban anyone from using actual cheats. Heck, separate games from mod and unmodded ones.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:19:14 PM

I was thinking there would be restrictions on what gets ported over and stick to games that use it best like Bethesda ones.

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Fabi
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 4:49:27 AM
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Not interested in mods at all. At this point, there is nothing much to do but wait it out and see how loyal the Xbox fans are.

I know Sony fans are loyal as hell.

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___________
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 5:12:57 AM
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i would do anything for next gen consoles to see mods, but they wont.
mods require giving access to a games code, and even more so access to system files and we all know how tight and stringent manufactures and developers are.
hell even allot of PC developers hate it, look at DICE no matter how many people throw bricks at them they refuse to bring back mod support for battlefield!

were more likely to see the same things weve seen this gen, level editors.
let people create their own levels, their own content, but having the game itself tightly locked down.
another thing id love to see is open up dev mode for people to play around with.
its really cool seeing some of the features and tools developers use to get games out the door, i remember a few months before infamous 2 came out i was invited to meet the devs and they showed off the first few hours of the game and also showed off some of the tools they used to create it.
amazing how much can be changed on the fly, id be really cool to be able to access that and play around with it yourself.
especially for the use of cheat codes, i mean come on imagine a massive destructible environment such as what was shown off in second son, but with coles epic destructive powers enhanced by unlimited electricity and infinite health.
the whole city would be flattened in seconds!
miss the good old days where games had cheat codes in them just for the fun of it!

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Solid Fantasy
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 7:28:57 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but are mods the answer to game genie and the game shark of the past?

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 7:51:01 AM

Sorta I guess. They allow you to change stuff from the game. Like adding new levels or creating a completely different story with what is given in the game assets. New skins and guns. It would be really cool if they bring it back. The only game that allowed this was unreal tournament on the ps3.

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Beamboom
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 8:38:29 AM

"Mods" means "modifications", and in the widest meaning of the term.
A mod can be anything from custom maps and custom models, to entirely new game forms or even stories.

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CheddarClyde
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 8:01:44 AM
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I have to agree with what some on here have already said about mods being a bad idea. Someone out there will use them to cheat in an online game or, worse yet, hack the network... again. As for that one thing that Sony needs to keep Microsoft at bay, it would be exclusivity to a game that don't already have. I get that Sony's pockets aren't as deep as Microsoft's, but if they would just buy exclusivity to something like Metal Gear Solid 5 then I think it would help a lot.

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SirLoin of Beef
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 8:33:04 AM
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I would love to see the ability for the Elder Scrolls games have the ability to use mods. I've seen some pretty cool ones for Skyrim that would be a hoot. There's one where all of the dragons are turned into Randy Savages and the dragon voices are replaced with his catch phrases. It was pretty hilarious.

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telly
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 10:13:39 AM
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As Beamboom notes, it's probably impossible for a console to be as open as a PC. But wouldn't it be great if there were some sort of workaround that gave us at least a bit of modding ability? Don't know how that could/would happen, but it would be great if there were a way.

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bigrailer19
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 11:13:48 AM

Unrealt Tournament 3 allowed mods on the PS3. Its entirely possible.

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telly
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:12:05 PM

Was unaware, good to know!

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coverton341
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 12:46:59 PM
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If the developers of games allowed you to download a mod kit, the ps4 allowed you to use a keyboard and mouse with said mod kit, and if you could download and install the mods free of charge (a la PC) then this would be phenomenal. If, on the other hand, random members of modding communities were approached at random to put up mods on the PSN store for a "nominal fee", I don't think it would go over too well. Also, it would seem like in order to do it that way then there would have to be a PC version of the game to do the modding and porting from, I have a feeling that the people most interested in using mods and modding themselves would be on PC and less likely to pay for mods and such that they could get and alter on PC for free.

Just my opinion and I could be completely wrong, but I know that I personally would stick with PC versions of games that I could mod myself. Also, there are so so many mods to PC games that there would be no way at all you could possibly get them all on the PSN store if you went that route and I can see that causing a lot of chaos in the modding communities with "select" modders getting paid to put stuff up on the ps4 while others are left out in the cold.

Again, if the developers released mod kits (they do it on PC a lot and great mods come from it) then this could be awesome.

Picture this: You buy The Elder Scrolls VI or Fallout V, you play through the game and have a good time of it all. A few months down the road Bethesda releases the mod kit to the PS community on the ps4 and whether you intend to create any content with it or not you can download it (free of charge or a nominal fee on that) and through the mod kit interface you can download what other people put up. You can create your own weapons, maps, character skins, quests, whatever (this is all already possible on PC so it should be relatively easy to translate to ps4). This would be the most ideal way to handle everything for all concerned. And yes, I have a solution for all those worried about cheating online and here it is: NO ONLINE MODDING ALLOWED. Simple, sweet, elegant. If a game has an online component, that component is locked out from the mod kit. That means that you won't be able to use offline characters for online play, but for the most part you can't do that now so is it really a problem?

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but I think that this could be a truly great idea if handled properly.

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Cavan1
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 5:25:23 PM

They did this on the PS3.... only one game bothered to use it. Unreal tournament.

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ValentinoGB
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 1:41:09 PM
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How about making PSN Free again? I loved that Sony gave us the option to either play for free online or pay for PSN Plus. I know the benefits you get from it, but I just never cared for it. You get free games, dont care because I perfer physical game disc over digital anyday. You get free avatars/wallpaper, til this day still rocking my original avatar and playstation background. You get early betas/content, that's awesome, but I'll just wait it out (never got crazy and wanted to get my hands on a game or early content). Enjoy to play BF3 online (the only fps I play), uncharted 2, portal 2, ACB, R. Love Sony but man is it going to be difficult for me when I upgrade to a PS4 and must pay to play online.

P.S. If anyone has not pick up AC3 or FC3 (I waited out) $19 at GameStop

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Cavan1
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 5:24:13 PM

Your thinking in PS3 terms, Sony came out and said they could either do the PSN like it is now and have it for free, or develop it and add new things like cross game chat system wide, the whole share and upload features, the whole gaiki thing which will bring backward compatability to from the ps3 to the ps4, the ability to try any game that comes out, (cant remember if they gave a time limit, maybe an hour or summin) to be able to offer all of these kind of services, they have to charge a fee.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:16:57 PM
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Obviously I don't quite know my tech details but I was just trying to get a discussion going anyway. I think an announcement like this at E3, broad support for mods by talented basement modders would probably have been cheered.

Alas I'm sorry I can't take part in my own discussion thanks to my wonderful Comcast internet being messed up. Sorry

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kraygen
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:21:32 PM
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brilliant idea, people are always trying to hack game files anyway, why not give them a legitimate way of modding their games and allowing others to sample those mods.

I like the occasional mod, why I buy certain games on pc. I might not always use that feature, but someone might come up with a mod that I hadn't thought of and I might enjoy using it, so I like the ability even if I don't always use it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 2:27:37 PM

I use to mod Doom all the time, my crowning achievement was a more-or-less Total Conversion of Doom to the Tarantino movie "From Dusk Till Dawn" I was proud of that.

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clockwyzebkny
Monday, June 24, 2013 @ 4:59:16 PM
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It iso funny/strange that you posted this article Ben. I was talking a fellow customer at a gamestop which i frequent and asked him if he's purchasing next gen systems He said he's not too excited because he utilizes his pc for almost all his gaming needs and plays true exclusives on the ps3

He does this mainly because of the superior graphics and (you guessed it) the modding community He's not even getting gta5 because he's going to wait for the imminent pc releasse

Modding is a great idea I hope it'll someday become a reality

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 @ 1:58:34 AM
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I'd love to see the PSN with a MODs category under the Indie sections, a totally brilliant idea! It's the only thing about PC gaming that is even remotely unique besides ports that make it from consoles to PC.

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Lunar_Miyuki
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 11:02:44 PM
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have any of you heard of Hex editor Custom Firmware aka CFW ps3s or anything like that let me take your blindfolds off just for a moment just about every PS3 game has been moded or hacked including demon and dark souls Via CFW PS3 if your not familiar with CFW maybe the term Jailbroken PS3 your familiar with

now theres 2 types of modders the 1s that create them and give them away for free and the 1s that create them and charge people 15$ to 30$ for 1 moded save though your average moded save for PS3 is sold for a 20$ PSN card

also theres programs like Xploder which can re assign the user to a new user for the save and by using this program you don't need a jailbroken PS3 i have a friend that knows how to use xploder and hex editor very well on PS3 games

ive seen quite abit of just data swapping NPCS do damage to the game like texture glitches if your not familiar with that the lighting starts flashing all over the place your weapon becomes giant you lose half your screen

as far as multiplayer goes just about every PS3 shooter game has been moded or hacked for online play and COD black ops 2 was hacked before the game was even officially on shelves

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trip77
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 10:38:24 PM
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Has everyone forgotten the fact that the ps4 IS essentially a pc with streamlined parts in it? Why would it be so hard to make a mod on a pc, and then transfer it to a ps4 if they use the same architecture? Aren't all the games going to be developed on pc's in the first place?
The only things I think standing in the way of this, is either the developer or Sony themselves.

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