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Sony: Keeping PSN Totally Free On PS4 Would've Been "Absurd"

Most gamers fell in love with the PlayStation 4 at E3, but there was one piece of news that disappointed many.

It was the announcement that one must have a PlayStation Plus membership if one wishes to play games online. Obviously, this means that the PSN will no longer be 100% free, as it has been for several generations.

It's a sore spot for many gamers, but Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida tried to explain the reasoning behind the move. In speaking to Famitsu (as translated by Kotaku), Yoshida said it simply would've been "absurd" to keep the service free, considering the "large investment of resources" required for the online infrastructure. Bottom line- a lot of money is being spent.

"Considering the cost, to try to keep such a service free and consequently lower the quality would be absurd. We decided that if that's the case, then it would be better to receive proper payment and continue to offer a good service."

As of now, it costs you nothing to play games online via the PSN, but that's going to change. If you're already a Plus member, you're good to go (although you'll have to renew it annually); if not, you can pick one up for $50/year. This is basically the same as Microsoft's Xbox Live program, which charges $60/year to play online. However, as we've said many times before, Plus is an initiative that offers far more in the way of perks and bonuses. It's not just to play online.

Also, Yoshida explained that Sony wouldn't be abandoning the PS3 after the PS4 launches, which is expected. All PlayStation consoles to date have gone on to sell quite well after new hardware iterations arrived. Some of the PS2's most prolific years came after the PS3 was on store shelves.

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, ps4 online play, playstation plus

6/27/2013 11:29:55 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (85 posts)

slugga_status
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 11:49:26 AM
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People have to realize that you're getting your more than just access to online MP with Plus. Been a Plus member since it has came out and I can easily say the service has paid for itself at least 6 times over by now. It's not just the beta access and discounts, you get full games for free. If I had a Vita I'd have tons of free games.

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telly
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 11:52:56 AM

It strikes me as perfectly fair and reasonable that if one wants to take advantage of online gameplay features on a game, they pay a small annual fee that helps fund servers, tech support, patches, etc., that makes online play possible. I understand no one WANTS to pay more! But I think this is a fair charge.

Also, PS Plus is AWESOME, there are TONS of free games every month for ALL of your Sony systems and sales on many more. GREAT service.

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newchef
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:04:10 PM

i figure thats true for most people, but for someone like me where i have never actually looked at anything in the Plus section and thought, "damn i want that" its just not for me. And i feel silly just getting plus to play multiplayer on a few games.

Maybe itll change next gen but as for now ill stick to the free service

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:12:41 PM

I get all the Vita games in my download list so that when I buy one I'll have a huge library (If I stay a plus member)

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:33:53 PM

Im with newchef, I dont want that stuff from PSPlus. If I did I would have it purchased already. I just want to get online and play some Borderlands with some friends.

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:34:16 PM

Think about why they offered PSN for free in the first place. They had launched the PS3 a year behind the 360 and it was a rather expensive machine; free multiplayer was the loss-leader to get people to pick their console over the other one. That didn't make it free though! They had to pay for bandwidth,servers and pay salaries and benefits to the people who ran the service. Not only that, they were taking a loss on the hardware for years.
I realize that a lot of people are disappointed by the change, but when you think about it there's a valid business rationale behind it. If they don't have that expense then they have the incentive to beef up the network faster and we will probably see faster price drops on the PS4 relative to the PS3. Plus is still cheaper than Live and represents a greater value, so I'm fine with paying if it means that Sony is in a better competitive position as a result.

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Phoenix
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 3:30:34 PM

Honestly, IMO it's just another reason to not purchase a PS4. I was on the fence when I heard no BC, but this is really the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Yeah, they offer a very small service ( IMO not a very good one at that ), and it costs them money, but to pretty much force it, and to just throw away a pro that could very easily sell a ton more PS4s, is crazy.

Of course you could argue that they aren't forcing anything, but just think about how focused games are on MP these days, compared to SP. SP games only ring in at what? 4-8hrs of game play, sometimes more, but not often. So, if we dont pay for PSN, we are then stuck with a very short SP experience in most cases.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 5:24:26 PM

Unless you have a ridiculous amount of free time, I don't see how you don't get enough gaming with just single-player. I exclusively play single-player and I can't possibly keep up.

Furthermore, 4-8 hours is a significant exaggeration. I can't think of a game (outside of the first Modern Warfare and Medal of Honor) that actually came in at only 4 hours. The huge majority are more like 8-10 and I think that's plenty. On top of which, some of the best games of the past generation were single-player-oriented and were MUCH more than 10 hours. Bioshock Infinite, Dishonored and The Last Of Us are perfect examples. Even the Uncharteds and God of Wars were usually over 10 hours.

Then there's the big open-world games like inFamous, Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption, Saints Row, and others, along with the RPGs like The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, The Witcher, etc. Really, unless you've got like, nothing to do, I can't see how you can keep up. Even if you were never playing online.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 7:43:18 PM

I have to seriously disagree with you!!!! It has paid for itself at least 20 times since its inception!! :)

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:29:13 PM

LMAO @ World

Dude, I have done the exact same thing. Don't even own a PS Vita, but my download list is FULL of Vita games I got from PSN+

I also got a bunch of FF games that I intend to install on it. FFVII on the go? hell yes

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Broady
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 4:34:17 AM

Definitely agree with Ben on this point - think I'm a few years behind (just started FFXII - yes 12 - again as I didn't finish it). Have still got a number of games in the plastic wrapping as I haven't had time to play them!

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UK_MrSim_UK
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 11:52:03 AM
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Plus is so good anyway I don't care, amazing value service! My backlog is huge!

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telly
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 11:55:25 AM

And one subscription for all your Sony devices -- free games for PS4, Vita and your PS3. That alone is a great reason to keep my PS3 hooked up once PS4 comes out, to stockpile a ton of PS3 games I never got around to before on my 500 gb hard drive!

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bldudas1
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 11:58:31 AM
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Plus is such a great value. Free games and discounts.

And didn't Sony say only one account on the PS4 has to have Plus and the rest can play online?

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Xombito
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:22:44 PM

Yes they did. The screen in the presentation was clear about that as well.

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bldudas1
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:07:55 PM

Thank you .

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:15:33 PM
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aren't 'free to play' games still free to play though?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:17:48 PM

I seriously doubt it. This is one reason why MMOs are a bad idea. You have to pay for the game, then you have to pay for the game service, then you have to pay for PS Plus. That's an investment that's only worth it if you never play another game in your life.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:16:59 PM

Didn't they say mmos would/could be played without being a Plus member?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:41:19 PM

I dunno.

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johnld
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:27:40 PM

i think they said dc universe coukd be played without plus on ps4. didnt say anything about planetside 2

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Kryten1029a
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:54:04 PM

Microsoft has confirmed that free-to-play will be free to play, so I can't see Sony doing otherwise.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:55:34 PM

DC Universe Online, PlanetSide 2, Blacklight: Retribution and Warframe. Those are games that will NOT require plus at all. It is up to the developers to implement it if they want.

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 3:20:35 PM

All I can say is that Grilled Steak flavored Ruffles sort of make me think cloudy when I eat too much of 'em.

=p

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Clamedeus
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 6:15:34 PM

Free to Play games on PS4 will not need PS+ to play them online.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:30:14 PM

What these guys said ^^^

You don't need a PSN+ subscription to play any online-only games.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:55:02 PM

Ok whats the definition of free to play?

Because my take on this was yes, games are free to play meaning you dont pay to play that game meaning pay to log in on the developers behalf. But you still have to pay to log into the PSN. So you are still having to pay for PSplus to log in and play that game.

I mean isnt that what you are paying for on top of PSplus is to log into the PSN?

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 11:29:33 PM

If a game is free to play, and has micro transactions, example runescape, and it's on the ps4. It's up to the developer to decide if they want their game to be inside or outside the PSN system. So you don't have to buy PSN to pay their games unless they choose to go that route, is what I've gotten so far.

And on a side note, can someone confirm that XBL lets you play f2p games without having Gold? World of Tanks just made comments complaining that you have to have XBL Gold to play their F2P game which is how all f2p on xbl is. Just like netflix and other services.

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Balz
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 3:09:10 AM

FFXI on 360 does not require a gold account to play online. It let's you use a silver free account to play.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:17:33 PM
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Obviously Plus is a fantastic value and it would be absurd to Sony to keep it free, but there's something to be said for going back on a promise of always keeping it free to play online.

Sony's games division doesn't really make any money so this is certainly necessary but I would propose adding another Tier for people with a budget tighter than a crabs ass. Give them just the access to online MP without all the perks because some don't want or need them.

I still think gaming online should be free for all, there are much better ways to make money. It's just that they are currently investing HEAVILY in their online services and something has to pay for it.

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TGSA
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 4:11:38 PM

I always interpreted Sony's promise of the PSN being free for the PS3. To me it's not an issue that they're mandating payment for multiplayer, so long as it's dedicated servers handling multiplayer. Granted, I don't play much multiplayer and already have PS Plus, but those servers cost a lot and at least they have to recoup the investment somehow.

I compare it to buying something like WOW and then complaining about the monthly subscription fee (which is practically the reason I never played the game, could never justify the cost for just one game), but in comparison, Sony's fee is a lot more compelling than something like a WOW subscription and at least they're not trying some other type of gimmicky fees.

But, I think I digressed there... The real question is how multiplayer will be implemented and if they're charging us for peer hosting or if there will be dedicated servers for ALL multiplayer games that require plus.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:22:09 PM
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Thats the grey area, because most of the costs he is talking about would come from keeping PSplus up and running and providing some of the benefits from Plus like early access, free stuff and discounts. And of course if you want that stuff paying for it makes sense, and many times despite still paying yearly, it pays for itself in just months.

But concerning the online play, its still free to play online for the PC, and acess to play online is the same throughout. You log in and play. The problem I have to pay to play is Im already paying for ISP service, therefore my quality of play and the experience I get, im paying my ISP not Sony. Im pretty much paying Sony just to log in, because as much as I support Plus memberships I would have purchased it by now if I thought it was necessary. Now because ISP's favor download speeds compared to upload, my experience is hindered and paying Sony doesnt solve that.

But I suppose I shouldnt complain because Ive already pre-ordered my PS4.

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Sir Dan
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:42:22 PM
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I love PS Plus. For $45 I've downloaded over a thousand dollars worth of free games so far this year. Just downlaoded Saints Row the Third last night. Hug me.

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Beamboom
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:46:54 PM
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... But *is* really Plus that much more than online gaming and access to betas and some older titles?

For me who only wants to play online a very few hours a month, and being someone that buys all the games I want shortly after release and can't care less about unfinished code (ergo "betas") - what more is there for me? Some free icons and backgrounds?


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 12:57:44 PM

No, there are tons of new games (downloadable and otherwise) that are discounted right off the bat, and early access to betas is a very big deal for many people. On top of which, there's cloud storage and early demos, too.

You should read up on everything that Plus offers in a subscription. It's vastly more appealing than Live, I think.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:01:23 PM

If I wanted what PSplus offers I would have purchased it by now. The only reason Ill be getting it for the PS4 is because Sony has lumped the two consumers together. So im with you Beam.

I just want to log in and play online once in awhile.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:17:22 PM

You only THINK you would have bought it if you wanted it, the fact is you quickly learn that you like more types of games than you ever thought and you get plenty of games that you planned to pick up cheap eventually for "free".

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Simcoe
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:25:08 PM

Well if Sony is going down this route, I'm glad they are only implementing it with online MP for the PS4 and not trying to mandate it for MP on the PS3 too. This makes it very clear that to play online with the PS4 you will need PS+. Now I'm just wondering what model (if any) beyond a PS+ subscription will Sony implement when GaiKai finally goes online.

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Underdog15
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 3:21:47 PM

Got Deus Ex for free last month, Beam. If that's any indication.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:35:40 PM

Got Uncharted 3 for free this month Beam.

You guys don't seem to realise how good us Sony fans have had it in the past. We have had total free access to multiplayer and all the online features the PS3 had. The infrastructure and ongoing maintenance and support for that isn't cheap, and Sony's answer in the past was to keep the quality of the service low, so the costs will be low. But moving forward as the article says they want to improve their online offering, so they need to increase costs. It's simple.

We are very lucky this wasn't implemented in the current gen.

And World is correct, I have tried a lot of games that I otherwise wouldn't have bothered with because of PSN+. Plus most first party titles eventually become free at some point. Fairly sure all the uncharted games have been at some point. Killzone and Infamous both have been as well. As well as both LBP's.

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Beamboom
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 12:37:24 AM

I respect that others find this service useful but for me personally cloud storage, betas and demos are not something I want to pay for. All three are what I associate with services that has always been and should always be free.

I see old games being mentioned:
I've owned Deus Ex since day one, and that is exactly my point here.
Also, DE:HR has been thrown after you on all other markets, both at online retailers and on Steam for a year now, Underdog. Deus Ex is actually a very good example of what I talk about.

Uncharted 3, if I ever wanted to play that game I would have had it for at least a YEAR already.

So if this is an indication of PS+ I gotta say "sorry but not interested" cause really, this is not something I want to pay for! I already own the games I want to play!

So I am not saying that this is worthless. This might be a good deal indeed For those with a LOT of time to do their gaming and want to play games they otherwise would not have bought. But that's not me. As a gamer with a restricted amount of time and buys the few games I do want to spend time on, well I can only reiterate what I said: There really isn't much of interest in this deal, or I'd be a Plus member a long time already!


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Huey
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:04:09 PM
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As I am not an online gamer, I did purchase a Plus membership early on. To date I am very satisfied with it.

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Dukemz_UK
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:18:06 PM
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I cannot praise the PS Plus service enough. It's been FANTASTIC value. And us Europeans get even better stuff than you guys across the pond.

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TGSA
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 4:15:34 PM

That seriously bugs me as I have the US version of Plus. What's really bad is that EU gamers know around the 15th of each month what they're getting the following month, whereas the US site only releases that information a few days ahead of the first Tuesday each month.

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JROD0823
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 4:29:20 PM

Darn you, you privileged Europeans, DARN YOU!!!

Just teasing, Dukemz. :)

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Clamedeus
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 6:18:51 PM

*Is jealous* :(

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:43:11 PM
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Meh, I'm okay with this. 50/12=4.16. I pay $90 a MONTH for my phone. I can handle $50 a YEAR.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 1:45:19 PM

It has also saved me a couple of bucks. Plus, anything you download you keep forever now. no two ways about it.

Anyone who's a BestBuy Rewards Zone member, check your deals (or whatever) BestBuy is giving $10 off a $50 PS+ subscription and $5 off a 3 month subscription.

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telly
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:01:46 PM

Exactly. Even if you don't love what the service offers and wish you could game online for free, it's so cheap there's no need to get too worked up about it, I don't think. And if you're like me, you may like it more than you thought you would if you give it a try!

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johnld
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:24:41 PM
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actually if youre getting ps4, you guys might want to buy up ps plus cards now since they carry over. as of now ps plus is 50 dollars but when ps4 comes out the price will increase to 60 dollars. the sony slide on that presentation showed ps plus would be 5 dollars a month.

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JROD0823
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 4:44:24 PM

It's not going up, at least not anytime soon.

Jack Tretton confirmed in an interview during E3 that the fee associated with the service wasn't changing for the foreseeable future.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:38:27 PM

They said less than $5 per month.

I took this as a dig at Microsoft, who advertised their Xbox Live Gold membership as $5/month.

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Kiryu
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 2:31:12 PM
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Yeah this time we get so many other cloud features other than shooting people in multiplayer

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Ninja_WafflesXD
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 3:08:13 PM
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It's most likely that I have PS + already, but I don't see this as such a bad thing.
Giving Sony money for a quality service? Sure, why not? (But then I look at PC where online gaming is free, and then perceptions are skewed).

The only possible downside I could see to this is the fact that originally, PS + was optional. A premium service that some people voluntarily paid money for. And in return we got all the free games, discounts and early access.

However, now that a PS + subscription is required to play online, I can't see that ALL of the good things we regularly receive will continue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Sony won't cut it off outright, but now that it's obligatory, where's the incentive?

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:40:27 PM

This was my biggest fear as well.

Like you said, previously it was an optional premium service where you reaped the benefits if you forked up the cash. Now it will basically be a requirement, the benefits don't seem to make sense any more.

Which is why I am starting to think there will be different levels of PSN+ in the future. Like one tier for multiplayer and a few other features for like $40 a year, and then the premium tier for $50 a year.

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SuMtOnE
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 3:25:45 PM
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i find this rather upsetting. I rarely have time to turn on my PS3 and if I do I get to game at least 30 mins max once every other week. I don't like the fact that I have to pay to play when I will be using it less than 10% of the entire year.

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:41:17 PM

SO many people have said this.

If you really only play multiplayer for 30 mins a week, will you HONESTLY miss it?

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kraygen
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 3:35:11 PM
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the cloud service alone has been beyond worth anything else to me. My poor fatty has lost it's video output capability, it's needs repaired. However thanks to the cloud storage all of my game saves were easily accessible on my slim thanks entirely to plus.

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 4:43:44 PM
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How is letting gamers access other companies servers cost Sony anything? I just want online play when I get that rare itch to play a fighting game. There really is no explanation except they saw MS had a nice thing going and they wanted a piece of it too. Period. Anything Yoshida says otherwise is just rhetoric.

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Simcoe
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 5:15:17 PM

That happens with the PS3, how do you know that is what is happening with the PS4?

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JROD0823
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 5:32:15 PM

@Kid,

When you are accessing other companies' servers, are you using Sony's PSN (and the network's servers, which definitely cost money to keep operational) as the intermediary?

Yes, you are.

It seems to be lost upon you that the funds that are being/will be generated from Plus are going to go directly towards bolstering the ENTIRE network.

So, even if you decide to never pay for Plus, whatever use you get out of the PSN besides online MP is going to be enhanced/improved thanks to everyone else that contributes.

How is that rhetoric again?

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Clamedeus
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 6:32:53 PM

I would rather listen to what Yoshida has to say about it. You know, someone who's actually involved with the company and knows what he's saying.

just sayin'

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 7:20:43 PM

Simcoe- Um, I'm guessing?

Clamedeus- He's awesome. I just don't agree on this subject.

JRod - I get what you are saying about the money going back into the network. But if I just wanted to play online a few times a year and I do mean a few, why can't there be an alternative option? And I'm not a tech guy, but I don't see how allowing free cross game chat is cheaper than letting me access a game server. Maybe you can full in the blank for me there. As it stands, I still think the only reason to make online inaccessible without Plus is to force people to buy it, no matter how much 'good' can come of it. And I know I have a bit of a myopic and obtuse view of this thing, but three years ago I stopped paying for Live because I felt access to online gaming should and always remain free, or at least should be covered by my purchase of a system and games. I don't know if I can ever feel it's right.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 7:34:19 PM

Fair enough. lol

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Akuma07
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 8:45:33 PM

Being a Microsoft employee, I thought you would have fully agreed with paid Multiplayer.

But anyway, I highly doubt they just decided to copy MS. Wouldn't they have done that in the current gen?

Look at the number of people who use cross game chat, and compare to the number of people who play online. Big difference. Why do you think it took them so long to deliver cross game chat?

I have heard a few people say "I only want to play online for 2 minutes a day, 3 times a year, now I have to pay for that!!!" But seriously, if you barely play multiplayer, then would it really ruin your life if you didn't play it any more? Be honest here.

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 9:03:42 PM

"Being a Microsoft employee, I thought you would have fully agreed with paid Multiplayer."

Lol

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KidPresentable
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 10:11:19 PM

Akuma

The overlords made me an offer: either free Live Gold or medical insurance for my family. I stay some nights pondering that decision, but in the end, I think I made the right call.

No, I won't miss multiplayer but it would have been nice to have on those rare occasions. No rage, or anti- Sony sentiment, just think it should still be a free feature for gamers.

As far as them copying the MS model of pinning multiplayer to the service to make more people buy it, that's exactly what they did. But I know you can't see that, with the Kool Aid coursing so abundant in your veins

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 9:02:33 PM
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At least you'll be able to watch netflix and what not without plus. I never understood why ms forced people to buy Live to use netflix when you're already paying netflix.

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SuMtOnE
Thursday, June 27, 2013 @ 10:29:14 PM
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of course i am going to miss it. how else can I play any fighting games without online

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Zeronoz
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 12:38:45 AM
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Im confused with this whole PS+ thing (I missed E3 because my internet was down!)

Online MP requires Plus right? But can I access PSN without Plus? I mean I rarely play online games anymore (except on my PC that is) but I do buy games on PSN so can I access PSN without Plus?

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dlte
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 1:51:20 AM
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Are they still going to call it plus if the majority has it?

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___________
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 4:33:15 AM
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no, charging for something thats been free for 7+ years is whats absurd!
he makes it sound like they have just started adding features to PSN now thus rising expenses.
if you could keep PSN free while adding all the features you have, facebook, twitter, video services, photo and music services, home, ect, ect, than you can do the same for ps4!
how much you wanna bet will have to pay a subscription fee for gaikai as well?
IF that ever sees the light of day outside the US that is.

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Indestructible
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 6:17:01 AM

Paid multiplayer would make sense only if the games run on dedicated servers (what Microsoft meant by saying cloud improving gameplay, lol). Basic multiplayer should be free, as the games are hosted on our machines, which is already paid for.

While PS+ is a very good service in itself, its bad to make it a requirement for multiplayer.

The best solution would be to offer tiered multiplayer, where PS+ subscribers would have access to dedicated multiplayer servers that'd able to handle 256 players on Battlefield 5/6.

On the other hand, using free psn multiplayer, we could play our 4 player co-op where one of the players is hosting the server, and matchmaking is handled by another Intermediary (the same way Uplay handles Far Cry3) which the publisher/developer are willing to provide.

PSN plays next-to-ZERO role in handling Far Cry multiplayer. The proof being you don't see the players you played Far Cry multiplayer with, in your recently met list.

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Indestructible
Friday, June 28, 2013 @ 6:41:10 AM
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In continuation of my previous post,
PS+ is a very good service, but in the end its a service, its one step closer to games being a service rather than a product.

I was contemplating on buying the Vita and subscribing to PS+, given the instant game collection, I wouldn't have to buy a game on Vita for months. What if the free games are good enough to not have to buy any game at all?

What if the response to PS+ is huge, people stop buying games and enjoy the free games with PS+, would the industry shift towards the service model?

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PharaohJR
Saturday, June 29, 2013 @ 11:53:23 PM
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mmm..... it seems that charging for online multiplayer is reasonable. i think the new features that will be allowed on PS4 & amount of data that now increases threw connectivity is reason for a fee.... in a way we recieve more than what we ask for in the service. if the present PSN was on PS4 i think it would be free still.

at same time i see the issue of paying $60 for a game reach home to run online & being asked for a $5-50 dollar fee....... in a way thats kind of a problem cause past generations it was never required. i just hope as gaming grows & continues to invest more in social the core of gaming isnt compromised.

i almost got plus on PS3 for the large benifits, worth way more than fee they charge & service is unmatched against rest.... PS4 might be the motive to join.

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ricksterj
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:15:52 PM
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sony will ALWAYS find a way to get $$$$ out of the lemmings that are consumers.

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:23:57 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:24:10 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:24:14 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:24:21 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:24:25 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:24:25 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:24:26 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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megalodon
Sunday, June 30, 2013 @ 12:24:26 PM
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so they're forcing people to pay for plus

I've been a plus subscriber for a few years now the reason i remain one is for the game save online storage just in case the PS3 gives out yellow light or other issues as it did once before i dont want to loose progress in any of my games so i stay plus.
everyone once in awhile they give out a cool freebie but 95 percent of the plus games are just games to short or not good enough for disc release and arent worth keeping after you play through them

obviously if everyone is a plus member then that rare percentage off for said plus members on again games most will never buy is removed and Sony makes even more money

Then there's that little needing 30GB of free Hard drive space to download a 15GB game that will prevent many people from enjoying all that plus has to offer FORCING them to upgraded to bigger hard drives look at what they did with the god of war collection For no reason they changed ghost of and chains to downloads (even though discs were already out there) and 4 GBs became 20 GB Downloads taking up all that space unnecessarily
if they are going to force this
if they one day will go donwload only no more discs which is what they really want to do to save millions then they should make PS4 into the system that a 15GB game only needs 15 GB of space to download
they should also release everything in their library we are almost at PS4 and the fact that EVERY game released on PS1 or PS2 hasnt been released through the network already is unacceptable

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Beatlejuice66
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 11:51:16 AM
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If all that stuff is such a great value then keep all that with the paid content. Keep online play free. Xbox lost me as a customer for charging for access to other games servers. Like BF3. EA runs those servers but Xbox charges just to allow access. Sony could have sold me a PS4 and gained a customer. Now I'll just stick with the PC, least online gaming with it is free.

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