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Tretton: Not A Good Idea To Force The PS4 Camera On Gamers

Well, is Tretton wrong? Should they really force a camera on consumers? No way.

As we know, the PlayStation 4 will be priced at $399, a full $100 cheaper than the Xbox One. The biggest difference is that Microsoft's console will come with the second iteration of Kinect, while the PS4 will not include the PlayStation Eye. The latter will retail separately for $59, which isn't a bad price.

However, not everyone wants or needs it, right? So why should Sony force people to buy it when they want to pick up the PS4? SCEA president Jack Tretton addressed this topic in speaking to IGN; he first says the believes Sony has "more experience in motion gaming than anybody" because they started with the EyeToy back in the PS2 era. As for not packaging the new camera with the PS4:

"...for the development community and for the consumer it should be a choice. If you’re a developer who is excited about the camera and really think you can integrate that into making a great game, please do it. We’d love to have you on board. And if you’re a consumer who is interested in buying the camera, we’d love to sell it to you for 60 bucks.

But to force every consumer to have it on day one, when some of them may be on a limited budget and don’t necessarily have the interest in it, or to mandate that the development community has to support it...that ends up coming up a little bit short in terms of things people can get excited about."

We're definitely down with that. Don't be putting accessories into the box that not everyone wants, especially when it significantly increases the entry fee. Don't forget that Sony had originally planned to include the Eye with the PS4 and charge $500 (according to sources). Thankfully, they changed their minds and now their new console is a lot more attractive to most consumers. That $400 price tag is so appealing!

Tags: playstation eye, playstation camera, ps4, playstation 4, sony

7/1/2013 9:45:40 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (25 posts)

Douchebaguette
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 10:20:12 PM
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And he is right. The hilarious thing about the Kinect on the other hand, is to spy on you so they can shove adverts down your face.

"With the new Xbox One, the technology and Kinect has improved a lot, so that actually the voice recognition...is a lot smoother, and hopefully we can transpire that into advertising that we do."

So, Microsoft can hear and remember what you say? Creepy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 10:27:36 PM

As creepy as a velociraptor smoking a pipe?

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___________
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 5:02:04 AM

so, how many more times do people need to come out and say you can completely disable kinect and its NOT SPYING ON YOU till the douche bags get it through their thick skulls?

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Douchebaguette
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 10:10:58 AM

__________, because the Xbox One won't fucntion without the Kinext attached? It's mandatory.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 10:11:44 AM

And how many times do people have to explain that it's the principle of the thing that pisses them off?

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Simcoe
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 10:14:04 AM

If it can be disabled than does it even need to be connected at all? I just don't know if I can believe everything that MS says. They also said that Xbox one was designed to connect to the internet every 24 hours and just couldn't be made not to. Were they lying about that or just kidding?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 10:32:17 PM
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Music to my ears, in that Kojima article I posted earlier I didn't want to mix the issues but in the same interview he went on about how he thought that with how phones and tablets are nowadays that he thinks they will be a normal part of future consoles.

NO THANKS. This kind of stuff needs to be optional and located in the "accessories & peripherals" aisle of the store.

You know what wonderful tech Kinect is boasting now? That it can scan people's coupons so they don't have to input all those scary numbers. Pfft.

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Snaaaake
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 10:43:29 PM
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Thing is, because Kinect is mandatory and it comes together, no way Xbox One will ever be cheaper or as cheap as the PS4.
That could ultimately be MS's downfall.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 10:50:47 PM

And yet, it will always be made up of cheaper parts.

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Snaaaake
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 10:57:19 PM

I seriously doubt X1's price will ever be close to PS4's.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, July 01, 2013 @ 11:58:07 PM
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..And I thank you for that Jack. Always consumers should have options on what they buy.

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___________
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 5:00:55 AM
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still does not explain how they turned that 60 dollar camera into a 100 dollar one!

just goes to show why $ony always ends up last!
they create so many cool features but NEVER support them properly!
how apt him mentioning the eye toy, a brilliant idea so ahead of its time which received, what, 2 titles?
no, seriously though that was such a brilliant cool device but never saw its potential because they ALWAYS create something than say there its created our works done now its your turn.
hell, look at the newtork adapter that came to the ps2, online gaming never took off on the ps2 like it did the xbox.
why?
because there were so few games that supported it.
and why was that?
because again $ony develop a brilliant device than say there you go our jobs done over to you.
you CAN install mods on ps3 games, you CAN use a keyboard and mouse, you CAN play music off the XMB while in game, the developers just have to implement it.
and how many games do that?
i rest my case!

$ony ALWAYS goes to the trouble to create a awesome new device but then wash their hands of it, and because of that, because they leave it up to developers, it never gets used!
M$ and kinect had a huge advantage on MP titles because of kinect integration, next gen thats going to get even more enhanced and popular, and ps4 will be left in the dark not because it cant do it, but because $ony have the strictness and parenting skills of a prepubescent trifle!
developers have enough on their plate, leave things up to them and will NEVER see it get the attention it deserves, nor it see HALF its potential!
im sure the camera is capable of great things, but since $onys done the usual, create it and wash their hands of it, will never know!
:(

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Indestructible
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 6:07:19 AM

Sony is playing it safe, why wouldn't they? They have been in the red for a long time now, until i guess last quarter. They pushed the cell, blu-ray, it hurt them badly, at least initially. The way I see it, they made a smart move, pricing PS4 100$ less than XB1 will surely win them an early install base.

Sony has put itself in a position from where they can react according to the market, rather than going all-in with a risky strategy.

What's stopping Sony from creating a PS4-eye bundle, after the pre-orders units and the first batch or retail has been sold? That too 50$ cheaper than the XB1.

Or, my hugely wished for PS4-Vita, remote play ready bundle for the same price (or 50$ more) as XB1?

I think, the only hardware difference between kinect and PSeye is the infra red camera vs stereoscopic camera. You cannot do heart-rate monitoring on the PSeye, but the skeletal tracking and voice recognition stuff is software. Depth perception should be equally good for both.

I think the ps eye can piggy-back on kinect's success, if it ever happens. Given the tendency of 3rd party developers to develop for the lowest common denominator, they might neglect the ir functionality of the kinect, the way they ignored six-axis and pressure sensitive buttons on the Dual Shock3 and make games compatible with both PSeye and kinect.

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Dancemachine55
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 9:41:44 AM

Very true Indestructible.

I forgot the Dual Shock 3 had motion controls until I played The Last of Us and had to shake the controller to energize the batteries in the torch and keep it going. That was a brilliant little control thing Naughty Dog added!

____________ , you sir are 100% correct. I like your posts as they are brutally honest and don't just kiss Sony's butt all the time. It is very true Sony create great pieces of tech, but never invest enough in it to fully support it. I'm glad to see the Move go into the next gen era cos hopefully there will be more time for it to get some good games that support it and help it to realize its potential.

If a feature is built into the console, there's a stronger chance it will be supported. Look at the DVD drive in PS2. Look at the network in the original Xbox. Look at the dual Shock 3 in the PS3. Look at Kinect for Xbox One. Look at the Wii remote and Tab controller for Wii U. All built in, all supported by many devs.

I'm looking forward to seeing the cool things devs do with the Dual Shock 4 touch pad. Already a step above MS compared to their boring "rumble in the triggers" controller. Seriously? That's there controller innovation? Rumble in the triggers to simulate firing a gun or revving an engine?

Sony really has this next gen in the bag, at least worldwide. US will be the biggest battleground though.

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___________
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 10:16:26 AM

too little too late.
obviously better than nothing, but a large percentage of the market share will already have the ps4, and the longer it takes to get the camera out there in peoples hands the less interest there will be both consumer wise and developer wise.
they should offer it in a different SKU, that way they can point to the sales of the camera SKU and use that as incentive and assurance for developers to create games off it.

another thing i just thought of now you mentioned move.
how much is that stupid lightbar costing them to add to the controller?
and how much battery life is it going to suck up?
and how many millions of dollars, and millions of amps of power are going to be wasted on that thing because 99% of DS4 owners dont have the camera.
they make the light bar a requirement, but not the camera.
thats like saying heres a car, would you like tires with that?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 10:23:31 AM

Sony didn't turn a $60 camera into a $100 one. What the hell are you talking about?

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 3:41:55 PM

I guess he's trying to say is that if the camera did come with the PS4 it would be $500 ("$100" equaling Xbox1) instead of $400, since it's an optional accessory it would cost consumers $60 instead.

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Indestructible
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 5:58:39 PM

Too late? The console isn't out yet!!

Have you seen the playroom tech demo? Which uses the PSeye and the light bar? Looks impressive. I can tell you, the sole reason it exists is to push the PSeye in the stores.

Its the better approach of the two. Microsoft is forcing you to buy Kinect, Sony is giving you reasons to buy PSeye.

Lightbar can't cost more than a dollar. Led's are dirt cheap, and very very energy efficient too. Also, they consume much less power than trigger rumble. And I can only imagine the touch pad would translate very well across to the vita as a control scheme. And as far as I remember, DS4 will cost the same as DS3.

Oh, and about the car analogy, "Here's you new car, we took the liberty of installing a barbeque in the trunk, you'll be charged a 100$ extra."

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___________
Wednesday, July 03, 2013 @ 10:13:02 AM

system was going to be 100 bucks more if they included the camera no?
why was it going to be 100 bucks more when the camera is only 60?

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richfiles
Saturday, July 06, 2013 @ 9:03:56 PM

Guy named lots of "_"s...
They likely would have bundled one move controller and the camera, thus $100 more. From what I recall, the new camera and console is backwards compatible with the move controllers.

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Dancemachine55
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 9:25:03 AM
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The Kinect is great for 3 things:

1. Dance games
2. Fitness and exercise games
3. Voice commands

If the PS4 camera can do these things as an add-on without the need for Move, I see no need for an Xbox One. The Move should be reserved for core games only which require buttons. I don't like holding a controller while exercising or dancing, and neither do my friends.

Make games that sell the fun benefits of owning the camera and it will sell. However, Tretton is absolutely right!! No point making an accessory a compulsory part of the console if it drives up costs and forces it on developers or users who don't even want it.

Smart man, Jack Tretton. I wish the casual crowd could see this. The PS4 is SO much more appealing, especially the price tag.

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Something
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 10:35:30 AM
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He is absolutely right as in: don't force it upon gamers. He's absolutely wrong as in: we won't include a camera.

If a camera is included with every system, every single developer knows that they can make use of it. Not only allows it for developers to do much more, but it also can be innovative.

Remember what touchscreens did to smartphones? Personally, I believe 'swiping in the air'/hand gestures can do the same to TV.
Think about it: TV is one of the few popular multimedia 'machines' that have changed little since the original colour TV. And the input device for TVs? Still the same as it was decades ago: either with buttons on the TV itself, or with buttons on a wireless piece of plastic (a remote).

Sony should have included it. Developers will now make much less use of it, consumers will not buy as many PS4 cameras (because there is little software support) and than because there are not that many PS4 cameras out there, developers will have even less reasons to make use of it.
It's a circle.

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PSTan
Tuesday, July 02, 2013 @ 11:07:45 PM
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Playing devil's advocate, the PS Eye will unfortunately dissolve into niche status. I'm disappointed too, the Move functionality on the DS4 and camera integration with it could have created a wonderful fusion of motion/traditional controls, something like the Vita.

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ChloeAngelCat
Thursday, July 04, 2013 @ 2:21:18 PM
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Jack Tretton is right and Sony being a lot smarter than Microsoft .

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MasterGT
Thursday, July 04, 2013 @ 5:59:50 PM
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That wasn't what I heard. Originally, the Eye was to be included with the console for the same price as the XBox Juan. Then they saw the XBox conference and said, "Gotcha! We can cut out the camera and undercut you!" You can bet your bottom dollar M$ will never be put in that position again.

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