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If FFXV Is The Last Final Fantasy, Where Will It Rank All Time?

Will Final Fantasy XV be the very last entry in the long-running and iconic franchise?

It'll probably depend on the success of the new game, right? It's hard to imagine Square Enix abandoning the legendary IP if FFXV hits their lofty sales goal, for example.

But for the sake of argument, let's say the new title, now slated to launch on September 30, doesn't really do that well and ends up being the last Final Fantasy game. Where do you think this last installment will rank on the all-time series list? Fans have often ranked the games over the years and though it stands to reason that most of the recent entries don't make the list, Square Enix is quite clearly pushing the hell out of this fresh effort. They really believe they've got a winner here, and they evidently tried very hard to get it right.

Interestingly, if you ask any fan this question, the answer is almost always the same, regardless of whether or not they like what they've seen of FFXV. That's right, just about every single one of them say, "well, I don't know where it'll rank but it definitely won't be in the top 5." Even those who actually liked that crap-ass, horridly depressing demo say this. They're definitely going to play FFXV and they think it'll be a good game, but not a one believes it'll push its way into the upper echelon of FF titles. What does that really say about the series? Seriously?

I suppose we have to argue that the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia are playing too big of a role, that big-time fans of the PS1 FFs, for example, will never say a new FF is better, no matter how good it is. And I'm sure there's some truth to that. At the same time, I think we're all old enough, and have been playing video games long enough, to accurately assess a quality product. If FFXV turned out to be a great game, I'd call it just that, even if I personally despised it. And if I were to rank the games on a purely objective quality scale, I couldn't tell you where FFXV would fall. This could be very different than a subjective ranking, by the way.

Whatever happens, it almost seems like a universal truism among the fans that FF will not go out on a super high note, simply because most are just assuming FFXV can't possibly be as good as past efforts. And yet, people seem to be perfectly okay with a decent or even mediocre effort. Odd, that.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XV

Tags: final fantasy xv, ffxv, final fantasy sequel, final fantasy 15

4/5/2016 9:34:52 PM Ben Dutka

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, April 05, 2016 @ 10:09:20 PM
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I will not know until it bombs.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, April 05, 2016 @ 10:49:55 PM
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The last Final Fantasy? FFXIV will have it's 4.0 expansion next year, and looks to have several more expansions after that.

;) Somehow I doubt FFXV will be the last.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 10:42:24 AM

Online games don't count :)

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TheHighlander
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 11:26:19 AM

:) Not a problem, look at the front page of PSXExtreme, the story is right there, FFVII remake is 3 distinct RPGs, FFXV is already not the last FF game.

I believe that's the end of the topic now? ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 5:52:07 PM

Who knows anymore my man

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MRSUCCESS
Tuesday, April 05, 2016 @ 11:14:22 PM
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No matter how good or bad FF15 will be, FF8 is #1 in my book.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, April 05, 2016 @ 11:57:28 PM

All Squall haters should be burned alive.

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MRSUCCESS
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 9:06:15 AM

@World - I'm glad we are starting to understand each other.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 10:43:55 AM

Of all the video game hairstyles I copied, I wore Squall's the longest :)

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xenris
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 1:31:04 PM

I'm not trying to offend anyone but HOW do you guys like Squall so much.

He was a cold introvert, who pushes people who want to be his friends away. Its like he thinks he is too cool for everyone.

I guess he grows as a character and by the end he is less lame, but in real life that personality type drives me insane.

It is just a cry baby attitude he has, he is the reluctant leader trope and its just exhausting to witness.

Now I'm sure I rustled some feathers please try and be civilized, I genuinely want to know what it is that you two and anyone else on this site like about Squall.

For the record I think his design aesthetics are cool and the weapon he uses is cool too. I just HATE his personality.

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wackazoa
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 2:44:55 PM

8 is the game that brought me to Final Fantasy and coincidentally the original Playstation. I had the Sega Genesis and saw FF8 w/ it's cutscenes and was blown away. Still has a place in my gaming heart.

Although I liked FF9 better. The art and music was ideal and I loved that little black mage to death. VIVI FTW!!!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 5:52:44 PM

Cuz that's exactly who I was at that age lol

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MRSUCCESS
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 10:37:33 PM

Because he was someone who didn't give a F* and whooped everyone's ass. There's personality there and it's different than most protagonist.

How you feel about Squall is exactly how I feel about Cloud and FF7 in general. Great game but it just doesn't do it for me. From FF7 to 10, FF7 is my least favorite.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 08, 2016 @ 8:57:57 AM

I like characters with layers. Thinking Squall didn't like people is the wrong read on him.

Squall's alright by me!

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xenris
Friday, April 08, 2016 @ 2:04:08 PM

He had NO real good reason to be such a whiny introvert imo.

I have seen the reluctant hero trop in many animes, and games before he wasn't really unique.

The reason I loved FF9 so much was because they characters were so varied and fun. Zidane was the first main character that was playful and just having a good time. Sure he gets emo for like 10 minutes near the end of the game but his friends pull him out of it, to the tune of you are not alone.

I don't think it is about not being able to read Squall, he was whiny and didn't like responsibility. He was a typical angsty teen.

Mind you I haven't played it since it released and I was in grade school still so maybe I wouldn't hate him so much now because I'm more tolerant.

But much like you guys who relate to him because of where you were in your lives, I loathed him because he was everyone I didn't want to be as a person.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, April 05, 2016 @ 11:46:08 PM
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Lol who started this rumor? PSX?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, April 05, 2016 @ 11:58:05 PM

Is it a rumor? I thought Ben was just playing a "what if?" game because this one is probably going to bankrupt them or cause them to just give up on the property.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 12:34:26 AM

"If the rumors are true that Final Fantasy XV is actually the last title in the franchise, where will most fans put it on the all-time series ranking list?"

Sure inside the link it's more a "what if" but not outside.

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Bio
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 8:59:27 AM

It essentially started by Tabata himself, who made some vague statements about how FFXV not doing well could lead to the end of console gaming in Japan. That mobile gaming is the new culture in Japan, people there simply don't have the time or inclination to play at home on consoles anymore, and that if FFXV bombs there, it may be the signal to developers there that the home console market is no longer viable.

Either way it wouldn't be the last Final Fantasy game, but it theoretically could be the last one on consoles.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 10:46:08 AM

ohh, I don't much time for even the most minor research these days. Well, this dude's in trouble then. Mobile gaming sucks.

They could at least hand Final Fantasy off to a western developer that knows what the soul of the franchise is about and sell it around the rest of the world where we 'preciate people making the kind of games we enjoy.

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TheHighlander
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 12:16:37 PM

Warning huge comment follows...it should go without saying that this is all my personal opinion...
Console gaming is still strong in Japan, and mobile gaming has always been huge, the number of Nintendo DS/3DS & Sony PSP/VIta sold there is enough to more than convince me that Japanese gamers like mobile platforms. Smartphones are simply another mobile device for games there, but the games are different than the ones on DS/3DS/PSP/Vita.

Both Sony and Nintendo have finally taken note and are marching towards the new mobile devices. But differences in control schemes will always mean that a great many games that work on hand held consoles, or home consoles will not work so well on smart devices.

If you look at overall console game sales for Nintendo and PlayStation, they are still healthy, but physical game sales are down. There is another disruptive force putting pressure on physical game sales in all markets, digital sales, which is a factor that is not always considered in the straight comparison of Mobile vs Console. Mobile gaming on the other hand is doing very well and has grown. Mobile gaming is seen as making in-roads against console gaming because it's an area of growth where console gaming is a very mature market with little to no room for significant growth. But it would be wrong to assume that growth means the death of console gaming. Different devices fill different purposes and niches.

Digital game sales can be significant and in the absence of market data from digital game sales on home consoles or handheld consoles, it's difficult to do a straight up comparison of mobile gaming vs handheld consoles vs home consoles. Mobile gaming is and always has been digital sales only, but the market numbers are reported because that is where mobile device apps are purchased, in the digital realm. Digital sales on home consoles and hand held consoles are not as easy to quantify, and unless a publisher gives numbers of total sales (including both physical and digital copies of their game) an accurate comparison can't be made.

Mobile gaming more so than console gaming is dominated by a small number of very large developers and publishers who have a small number of very popular and profitable titles. Those titles are hugely profitable though, and when traditional game publishers compare themselves against these mobile gaming juggernauts, it's difficult for them not to feel like they are being overtaken. The measure of a game's success is not whether it outsells Puzzle and Dragons, it's whether the game is profitable for the developer/publisher. But it's only natural to compare yourself to others in your market, and that can be sobering.

I remember when social/casual games on Facebook, such as Farmville, exploded onto the scene. The developers/publishers were instantly the darlings of the gaming industry leading some existing players to react as if it was the apocalypse. All the hand wringing over micro transactions and freemium content came out of that.

But, going back to Japan's console market, with respect to the PS4 itself, PS4 has had a slow start in Japan for 2 main reasons;
First Japanese developers were slow to move over from PS3, there are a lot of PS3s in Japan, so that market is still viable.

Secondly, PS4 launched with a lot of support from developers of titles/genre that are popular in the West. It's taken a long time for Japanese developers and publishers to really take a shine to the PS4. But their games are flowing now, and it's helping console sales in Japan somewhat.

You may not remember, but, during the PS3 generation there were key titles that drove unit sales in Japan. MS purchased several exclusive for genre and franchises popular in Japan, which forced a wedge into the Japanese market. What was interesting was comparing the home market game sales and profiling console sales against that. You could see surges of interest in PS3 when timed exclusives for the 360 returned to PlayStation.

The Idolm@ster games are a good example. The Idolm@ster and The Idolm@ster 2 were exclusives on the 360. Idolm@ster 2 was not a complete exclusive and 6 months to a year after it hit 360 it arrived on PS3. The game sold more units on PS3 than on 360, and there was a surge in PS3 sales that accompanied the game's arrival on PS3 in Japan. Time and again it can be seen that when significant games that appeal to their home market arrive on PlayStation (or for that matter on Nintendo's console of the day) there is a corresponding increase in console sales.

Games that fill specific genre or niches in Japan are arriving in numbers on PS4. Specific franchises, such as Idolm@ster will see a PS4 installment this year. PS3's light will dim, as the PS4's brightens.

Mobile gaming is always going to be huge in Japan, but it's incorrect to presume that it marks some form of apocalypse for home consoles. Mobile gaming has always been huge in Japan as sales of handheld consoles have proven year after year. Smartphones are a newer market for mobile gaming than hand held consoles, and so they are growing fast and taking some share from existing hand held consoles and home consoles. It's only natural that as one market expands, others appear to contract, gamers spending money on their new device put less on their older ones.

Ultimately though the limitations of smartphone and tablet gaming lock them into certain genres of game, and you can already see that casual and social gaming are far more important on Smart phones/tablet than on handheld consoles or home consoles. Not a surprise given that smartphones and their overgrown cousins (tablets) are communications devices first. They are inherently social devices you always have with you, facilitating both social and casual gaming. But the fundamental differences in games and controls limits how much Smart phone gaming can take from handheld consoles and home consoles in particular.

Tabata needs to review market data and research before making such statements. He might also want to compare actual video games against the likes of Puzzle and Dragons, there are fundamental limits on what games on a 5-inch screen with touch controls can do. Consoles do not have such limitations.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 3:00:42 AM
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That demo sucked but looking at the gameplay trailers, I'm not worried. Preordered the Deluxe Edition. Looks fun. Combat reminds me of Advent Children.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 10:48:46 AM

I'm still gonna do the review waiting, but even if they are bad I'd like to hear from you on PSN if that combat system stays fresh for 30+ hours. I tired of it by the end of the Duscae demo, but you never know maybe they will find a way to actually do more than slot moves onto buttons.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 10:52:00 AM

Wait...you played it and didn't like it but the trailers are enough to convince you?

That really seems backwards.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 12:53:39 PM

Lol no it's not. The Platinum demo was junk. The previous demo wasn't bad, If the final game is anything close to the gameplay trailers it should be fine.

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Bio
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 1:59:25 PM

It's pretty backwards because gameplay trailers are, at best, a "best case scenario" of actual gameplay. Like, a dude who played that section a dozen times and knows exactly what's coming and plays it perfectly to show things off. In reality they're also often using cheats to ensure they don't do anything embarrassing like die.

At worst, they're flat out fabrications, representations of what they want the game to be, or what they want you to think it will be.

I'll always go with my own personal experiences over a gameplay trailer.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 3:01:56 PM

Not really considering the gameplay in the trailers largely matches what I've seen capable people in the demo. The problem with the demo is the frame rate which was already confirmed will be addressed.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 8:49:52 PM

Yeah, that REALLY wasn't the only problem with the demo.

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shaytoon
Wednesday, April 06, 2016 @ 11:06:59 AM
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the demo sucked for ff15. it didnt get me engaged or give me a grasp for whats to come. ive played demos that blew me away (dont ask which ones as i cant think of them off top my head as im still waking up) but im still going to play it when it releases for the sake of it. and will it be good? i have no idea and will not determine that until i get hands on.

and youre right. i wont say a newer ff is better than 7 or 9 since those two touched me in ways the newer ones havent been able to. thats where the series slipped for me in terms of story line and characters. so im hoping this game will rekindle the passion we used to have for ff.

ff15 will not fail when it comes to figures. its going to sell a lot. lets just pray se doesnt sway towards a greedy monetizing route to add part 2+3 to each installment

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