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PS4 To Boast 4K Resolution Support?

Until Sony says something, it's all just rumor.

But that's just fine, as hints, clues, and underground whispers often generate plenty of speculation, discussion and argument. So we gots no problem with supposed "information leaks" concerning the next generation of gaming.

A new report is making the rounds today; it comes from consumer electronics site BGR, which claims the PlayStation 4 will actually support 4K resolution. That would double the max output of the PS3.

Citing an "anonymous source" (hence the rumor), the site claims this is in line with Sony's apparent planning of 80-inch XBR LED TVs that will support the same resolution. 4K features a horizontal pixel count of 4096, which is approximately double that of the current max HD resolution of 1080p. Sony wants to include 4K support for both games and movies so as to better expand the market reach of this new technology, which would be similar to how they approached 3D.

As for when the PS4 comes out, that's still very much up in the air. The last best chance of seeing it unveiled this year comes later next month at the Tokyo Game Show. ...we bet a whole lot of interested gamers will be watching Sony's press conference.

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, next generation, next gen, new playstation

8/23/2012 10:18:13 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (47 posts)

Highlander
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 10:51:06 AM
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4k resolution is 2160p. The line count is double that of 1080p.

Personally I doubt that this is much of a factor, actually I doubt it will be more than a tick box on the output capability of the video chip.

The truth is that 1080p on a 40-inch or smaller screen is at the limit of human visual capability. You have to get so close to the screen to see the pixels that you can no longer view the entire screen without craning your neck. Having a 2160p screen would be pretty pointless below the exotic 80-inch and similar sized screens.

Not to mention the fact that you're talking about 4 times the resolution and there fore 4 times the memory and GPU capacity required to render at that resolution. Frankly if the PS3 has a GPU capable of rendering at 2160p, it will be able to pull off 1080p60 in 3D. Given that the majority of consumers are still working on getting 1080p in their living rooms, and broadcasters are yet to even hit 1080i never mind 1080p; I think it's safe to say that outside of tech demonstrations, electronic show floors and uber-high res PC applications, 4K or 2160p resolution will remain irrelevant for consumers and gamers in general.

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matt99
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 10:59:12 AM

Not to mention the fact that most games now are only 720p.

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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:07:49 AM

I absolutely think we discussed this very thing like months ago. It's a supported video signal, nothing more, nothing less.


who the heck want's this sort of resolution anyway?
to fit a 100+ inch tv in their apartment or mobile shack?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:43:03 AM

A 100inch would be AWEsome.

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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:54:39 AM

and just to put something in perspective. My CG instructor worked in the industry. And when he created CG renders for film, they were rendered out at 4096 resolution (4k).
That was (maybe still is) the approximate resolution standard of movie theaters.

(for any smart butts. I know analog equiptment then didn't capture in pixels, but that was the approximate match for CG at the time)

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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:57:45 AM

http://www.amctheatres.com/sony4k

Here we go guys. Be sure to check for SOny's 4k video projection technology at AMC theaters

=p

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 1:11:58 PM

true, u can get away watching on a 720p 37"/40" and below and still couldn't tell the difference between those sizes if u have 1080p.

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Highlander
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 4:24:06 PM

True Temjin, but remind the smartbutts that the film has a certain grain size and an effective resolution of about 4K...

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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 4:53:31 PM

No I got it. The PS4 will also be sold to movie theaters also. And they'll get a premier release of interactive movies. The step beyond 3D theater movies. Movies like Quantic Dream's Beyond, where whole audiences interact and decisions are based on an average and a whole new genre of entertainment goes mainstream.
OooOOOoooOoo

=p


You know, it could happen ;)


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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 5:09:41 PM

.... thinking about it more tells me that it couldnt work without majorly altering the game. Hey, anyone watch Shenmue the movie ? =p

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daus26
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 6:31:37 PM

46" 1080p TVs are getting pretty cheap. In 10-12 years from now, assuming Sony wants to future proof their console for at least 10 years after launch like they did with the PS3, 80inch/2060p TVs might become affordable by then.

Sure, people would need more space, but we can always make more room if we try!

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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 7:00:33 PM

I love that 40 inch 1080p hdtvs are so cheap now. This way whenever my current one dies I won't mind as much replacing it. I may go rebel and splurg for a 42" =p

Man wall sized TVs. Freaken Ray Bradburry was right.

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Beamboom
Saturday, August 25, 2012 @ 2:08:21 AM

I heard an interview on BCC the other day where resolutions for broadcasts were discussed.
And there one guy said that we are just a few years away of 70"+ TVs being the standard in the livingrooms.
So if Sony plan on keeping the PS4 relevant for another 7 years or so, then this might not be as stupid as one think it sounds right now.

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ART359
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 10:55:03 AM
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Seems awesome! The only thing is, the human eye won't really detect the difference at 4K resolution. Will it?

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matt99
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:01:10 AM

From what I understand of Highlander's post it will only really make a difference at 80 plus inches, and let's be honest who has a living room big enough for an 80 or 90 inch television?

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Highlander
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:58:08 AM

Some very clever people, much cleverer than I, worked out that based on the receptors in the human retina, and the distances from the screen and viewing angles, 1080p is more or less retina grade on a 40-46 inch screen viewed from about 8 feet. 2160p would be indistinguishable in most instances on a similar sized screen and distance. If you scale up the screen to an 80-inch display, you have to view such a large screen from further away in order to be able to view the entire screen. At the normal viewing distance for an 80-inch screen, your eye would be unable to distinguish the difference between 1080p and 2160p. If you got closer to the screen, where you could only observe a part of it, you might be able to see a difference, but then you would be unable to view the entire image.

You know that most cinemas changed to digital projection over the last decade? the majority of those projection systems are 1080p class systems. 4 K projection systems are available, but not as common. Remember that these are reproducing their image on a building sized screen. Do you think you need (or could even perceive) 4K resolution on the 46-inch TV in your lounge?

All that said, some people think and say "more is better", and refuse to listen to reality...

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Fane1024
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 8:21:53 PM

Highlander,

Wouldn't higher resolutions, though not normally indistinguishable as separate pixels, reduce the "obviousness" of jaggies when the antialiasing wasn't good?

Personally, I want 1080p to become the sole standard on all sizes just to reduce the complexity of dealing with differing signals.

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playaplus
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 10:55:40 AM
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personally i've been hoping for ps4 to have 4k resolution since i first saw it at CES, man did the image look so ceisp

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BikerSaint
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:17:12 AM
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So as a non-tech savvy guy, and if this is true, where would my 1080 HDTV stand(that I just bought last year) once the PS4 comes out?????

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:44:09 AM

On an out-of-the-way wall somewhere?

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homura
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:36:40 AM
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If I have space and money I'll buy it. It will be awesome if the PS4 can do that. It's irrelevant to some but just knowing your console can do that is still something you can bragged about. My PS4 can do it how about yours? Hehe. Oh men! if it's true, I'll definitely going to rob some Microsoft Executives. Just kidding!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:46:42 AM
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Well they do like to futureproof their consoles, but this seems pretty unnecessary. I think as Highlander said it will just be a ticked box, but it's nice to see all your bases covered with the constantly fast paced change of technology.

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Axe99
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 4:49:39 PM

Aye - particularly if this is the last 'new' box and they head down the path of all streaming for new games towards the end of the gen. If that happened, then future proofing the box's output resolution would make more sense.

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daus26
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 6:27:14 PM

Like highlander said too, maybe they just need the technology to run 3D games in 1080p/60fps, not so much that they're actually gonna run games at 2060p, as we can all agree, would be pointless for 90% of consumers. I doubt developers would waste too much effort for the very minor.

Anyway yeah, unnecessary but might be if it's going to be future proofed. Who knows, 46 inch are starting to become the norm in people's home. Eventually, 80 inch will?

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chilker
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:55:41 AM
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I wouldn't really be surprised if it could output at that resolution. Sony is very forward-thinking. The PS3 came out when HDTVs were still pretty new and expensive (not quite as new as 4K TVs are right now, but still), and not many people had 1080p TVs. Sony made it so it could output at 1080p from the beginning so that as TVs improved and got cheaper, the PS3 could keep up. My first-gen PS3 was first connected just to a 480i CRT. Then we got a 1080i/720p plasma. Then, years later, when I moved out I got a 1080p LCD for super cheap. I've never had to upgrade or change the PS3.

The 360's first model, however, didn't have HDMI so it could not do 1080p (if I remember correctly) until newer models came out.

So, Sony could do this again so that the PS4 is pretty future-proof. We'll see.

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Highlander
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 11:58:53 AM

4K isn't even common in theater projectors yet, why on earth would anyone want to lumber a game console with that resolution?

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chilker
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 12:11:55 PM

That's a fair question, Highlander. I just did some more reading on 4K. The wikipedia article is super interesting.

There are several 4K standards, and all the different monitors and projectors who support it seem to support it in different ways (and with insane price tags). None of the top of the line PC video cards even support that resolution, unless you count the video cards used in stuff like digital film editing, which are also insanely expensive. OK. It's looking much less likely that 4K will be in the PS4.

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Beamboom
Saturday, August 25, 2012 @ 2:12:00 AM

Guys, guys. Again you are trying to predict the future based on the reality today. It doesn't work like that.

There was a time, not too many years ago, where large HD TVs were meaningless for other than expensive home cinema setups cause no broadcasters were broadcasting in HD anyway, and the analogue picture became just blurry on such large screens.

Times change.

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Knightzane
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 12:32:41 PM
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Ok thats kind of mean. Sony would make me go buy a brand new TV along with a ps4... Ok sony you win this round....again.

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marcusfrommo
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 12:35:57 PM
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Ahh, jeez. I don't care what show it is. There not going to announce anything pertaining to the next gen system, period.

Ahh, weren't the video gaming websites (this site to) announcing that the next gen might get an announcement at last years and this years e3?

Am I wrong? Please don't mention nintendo. Everyone knew about them. I'm talking about sony and xbox.

As far as single player campaign games go, I'm fine with the ps3 graphics. I just wish that they can handle equal quality with their mmos like dcuo.

Don't get me wrong, it looks good for an mmo on the ps3. But I hear it's looks gorgeous on the pc. If the in game characters looks exactly like a triple a fighting, action, or role playing game? wow!

If the next gen ps3 can handle pc mmos like tera, guild wars 2, a secret world, and others with equal or better quality with no lag, glithcing, framerate issues, etc., It would be worth 4 to 6 hundred dollars or more to me.

AS far as next gen campaign games goes, sony will have to upgrade the 50 gb dual disc literally to a massive amount if there are going the make every game be 1080p resolution or better. Assuming they don't want to go the route of releasing campaign games with multiple discs.

I don't think sony or xbox will make an announcement for the next gen console for the 2013 e3 for later that holiday year.

We'll see.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 12:41:36 PM

I'm thinking MMOs just aren't going to flourish on consoles.

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marcusfrommo
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 12:48:31 PM
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Who wouldn't want a gaming console that can best the pc quality?

All you hear is that the pc quality is sooo much better than gaming consoles period, cause pc gets constant upgrades yearly right? More or less?

I don't know if you remember when the arcade bested the consoles in graphics and quality. I don't know if that was in the ps1 or ps2 days.

Sony, go big or go home.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 1:00:10 PM

The PC crowd is just a lot of noise, consoles still get the better games.

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Axe99
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 4:52:29 PM

Yup - I'm actually a part-time PC gamer, and once you actually get on PC, you see how much crap most PC-only gamers spout. A great example is when PC gamers compare resolutions on screens viewed from a foot to two feet (PC gaming) to 6 to 10 feet (console gaming), and don't comment on the impact of the viewing distance difference. And then they go on to suggest that they're brighter than console gamers.....

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marcusfrommo
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 1:13:05 PM
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World, you say that, until an mmo comes out that gets your attention. Dust 514 beta is out now for the ps plus users.

Sony or soe has 5 or more pc mmos out now. Honestly, I don't even know how many pc mmos are currently out right now.

Take care.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 2:03:51 PM

I'm not saying they can't grab my attention, I'm saying I'm skeptical about their ability to get a foothold with console owners who tend to move from game to game.

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Darwin1967
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 1:30:36 PM
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Isn't it more about refresh rates vs. 1080p? Recently, I had the opportunity to see the samsung smart tv that runs at 960hz w/ 1080p...it was the most breathtaking image I have ever seen run on an HDTV and will also be our next tv. I could not believe the resolution....or that any tv could produce such a quality image. 4k sounds nice, but I hope they don't put something in that will boost the cost beyond reach again, especially when most consumers are pretty happy with their 1080p HDTV's and the 3D tv's.....

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kraygen
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 1:59:29 PM
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While it wouldn't surprise me if the ps4 could support 4k, I doubt it would be used until possibly late in it's life cycle.

However it makes me think how awesome it would be to have a 4k tv that was big enough to make my gaming characters life size on my wall.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 2:39:42 PM
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The 4k TVs are 30 thousand dollars.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 2:42:50 PM
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This is great news! The absolute only problem that may occur from this is price. If they can keep the PS4 at $399 Sony will remain competitive. The PS4 is sounding more and more like it will be a great step up from the PS3.

I had a 73" LCD for about 2 weeks. It was amazing and the game I was playing at the time was Demon's Souls!! Unfortunately I had to return it because it was to big for my old living room. In my new house I can get a 80"+ if I can find the money. But I would definitely go back to the 70"+ if I get the opportunity.

The PS4 is looking like a system that will cater to all walks of life. The standard consumer and the super rich consumer. Sony is going to rock the gaming community with the PS4 mark my words.

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Rogueagent01
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 4:10:45 PM
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I can see them supporting it and in a way it would make sense too. Of course no devs will use it right away but it would be something to look forward too. Plus to those talking about the prices of 4K equipment, they will go down especially if there are pieces of tech in peoples houses that can use them. I mean seriously Bluray players were almost $5,000 dollars when I first started looking at them and now you can find one for $100 and that was in less than a decade. I can see this being possible but it also smells like a rumor so it is now a wait and see thing.

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Highlander
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 4:25:24 PM

There is no point to 4K video equipment in the home. It's completely pointless unless you have room for 80-100 inch screens.

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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 5:19:41 PM

It seems just as pointless to me that Sony would even try to use this as a major selling feature.

Sigh. I really hope we're not forced to buy Ultra Blu Ray drives with every PS4 to pave the way for a new format definition standard.

I think Blu Ray can do like 50mbps peak on playback, id imagine 4k media would require quite a bit more than that.

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Rogueagent01
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 7:01:06 PM

I can find a wall in just about any house that can easily hande a 80-100" screen. It isn't as if were talking about a 300" screen here then I could understand it being pointless. My dads best friend has a 103" projector running in his basement and still has room on the sides and his basement isn't anything special, it is practically the same as everyone else in this area.

In no way would I see this as a selling feature as consumers just wouldn't have the need for it right yet, but devs of games and movies would see this as a useful feature down the road. This to me is in line with the Other OS feature in the PS3, it wasn't used as a selling feature, but tech people loved that idea as it felt like an open system(till they took it away).

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Temjin001
Thursday, August 23, 2012 @ 7:16:16 PM

The irony in all of this is that 4k nearly assumes people's room space will become smaller (you're crazy Temjin. Have at you!) no, see on an 80inch tv the benefit of 4k would be to actually sit CLOSER, not further. So basically once we're all in government cookie cutter regulated equal housing in so many years we'll all be happy Sony thought ahead =p

"We tried that top, down approach. It's what got us into this mess in the first place. "

Quote of the year

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___________
Friday, August 24, 2012 @ 6:28:09 AM
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what for?
games cant even maintain a steady frame rate at 720P!
let alone 1080P!
when we have games running 120FPS @ 1080P as the industry standard, IE EVERY game runs at it and never dips below it than come and talk about 4K!
till then no point.

one thing i HATE about the games industry this gen!
no, scratch that, one thing i HATE about the world the past 20 years!
we HAVE the technology to do sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much, but we dont!
VR tech for instance has been up to a point of ready for mass market for years now, but only now is it going into development stages!
same with AR!
i was watching a tech show yesterday demonstrating a AR tech demo which was actually pacman with humans, so freaking cool!
and this was from 2001, and they were saying the tech would be ready for mass market in 6 or so years.
well 11 years later, almost double that, and were still stuck with the crappy minigames!
we have the technology to do so much, but leave so much of it sitting on the cutting room floor.
hire a crane to lift a leaf.........

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playSTATION
Friday, August 24, 2012 @ 11:28:18 PM
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All I want to know is when is PS4 gonna be released and how much is it gonna cost me.

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