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PS4, Xbox One Pre-Order Numbers: What Do They Really Mean?

First of all, you have to be willing to trust the acquired numbers at VGChartz. Some do, some don't.

If you do, that leads to several questions. The tallied pre-order numbers are only for the US, and are supposedly up-to-date through August 24, 2013. This would include the week of Gamescom, which turned out to be a huge event (over 340,000 visitors). Right now, the PS4 sits at 600,000 while the Xbox One has only a little more than half that number: 350,000.

So, what does this really mean? We've got mere months before the two systems release, although one has to assume that the Xbox One will have more off-the-shelf buyers. Well, provided there are any to buy if you didn't pre-order. This country has been a safe haven for the Xbox brand throughout this generation, and it stands to reason that Xbox will continue to be the console of choice for most gamers. Perhaps especially most casual/mainstream gamers. But what else do the numbers say?

Well, they can indicate that some well-documented online poll results aren't all that accurate. The pre-order ratio isn't even 2:1, while some of those polls - like the Facebook one that ended up 95% in favor of the PS4 - indicated an 8:1 or 9:1 ratio. Obviously, nobody expected the PS4 to outsell the Xbox One in the US by such a ridiculous margin, as 600,000 versus 350,000 essentially proves. But even so, that gap remains quite significant, and one wonders if it will continue to close over the next few months. Remember, Microsoft has made the system much more appealing by getting rid of certain highly questionable policies.

What do you say?

Tags: ps4 pre orders, playstation 4 preorders, xbox one pre orders

8/28/2013 9:52:55 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (57 posts)

DxJeckel
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 10:20:33 PM
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I don't believe preorder numbers are all that accurate. I have both systems preordered, but will only be able to afford one of them. I really want to get a PS4, but don't know if I can leave the Xbox ecosystem. It is going to come down to the last second before I make my decision. I am sure there are others as well that have preordered both systems and will only pick up one of them at first.

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karneli lll
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:08:33 PM

Why pre order something you know you cannot buy?
Or is this another xbot scheme?

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:25:55 PM

Why would you pre-order two systems? Seriously...why would you do that?

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cLoudou
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 12:13:15 AM

oh, leave him alone. He's undecided, because it's hard to leave his ecosystem of friends and achievements.

But you know you want to. come on over, come to the dark side. We've got free games, and first dibs on Indies.

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 12:18:21 AM

It is pretty dirty to order both systems with the intention of only paying for one. That preorder could go to someone else.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 12:42:02 AM

Ummm... Am I missing something here? These numbers are false...

Shuhei Yoshida himself confirmed over 1 million preorders...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEzXT7LdgvQ

Skip to 2:25.

That video was posted Aug 23.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 1:06:25 AM

Those may be worldwide numbers. The 600,000 is just for the US.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 1:15:16 AM

Makes sense.

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DxJeckel
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 1:38:10 AM

Haha, you people are funny. :P. I have both preordered because I want both. I thought I would have the money for both, but life happens. The gaming community I am in are all on Xbox, but I also love all the single player experiences I have had on the PS3 this past year or so. The last of us was amazing. I will eventually own both, I am just not sure which to go with first. The Xbox looks to have the better launch day exclusives, but I know PS4 will have the better ones in the long run. Is it a crime to be undecided? :P .... lol.

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Underdog15
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 11:27:38 AM

I'll be getting PS4 because I have faith that my entire gaming ecosystem of friends and family will pick the system that offers the best experience, and somehow managed to also be the cheaper of the two prices.

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DxJeckel
Friday, August 30, 2013 @ 4:13:44 AM

I'm just gonna sell my PS3 and and vita. That way I will have enough to upgrade to the PS4 and still get the Xbox One with the money I saved up. This way I will have a system for entertainment and online games and I will have the PS4 for all those amazing single player experiences.:P

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playaplus
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 10:26:08 PM
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was i gonna get, whing to price tagen i had money to throw away, the addition of kinect is just sorta eh. I wont use it which is why it'd be throwing away money if I made to xb1 purchase. If it came w/o kinect I'd gt it sooner but the statement that msoft made abut kinect being w every xb1...blah. all that is doing is add. Got my ps3 bundle pre ordered w knack, extra controller, pre ordering kz driveclub next maybe AC too

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Jawknee
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 10:30:25 PM

Say what now?

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playaplus
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 10:35:26 PM

2 words in my comment throw me off, wth was i typing? lol

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cLoudou
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 12:20:56 AM

cocaine's a hell of a drug

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 1:17:40 AM

I'll have what you're having.

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 9:09:42 PM

Hahaha! The original post made no sense. Extra controller xb1 kwak AC!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 10:31:00 PM
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Lol, Xbone is toast at launch. Sony just might own this generation.

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Ather
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 10:50:34 PM
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I think initial means little. After the first month, we'll see what word of mouth, playing over at friends' houses, etc do for which system is "better" and therefore gets the most buys.

What good is having the most presales, if everybody just says Yuck when they experience it?

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Teddie9
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:51:16 PM

For sure, but it helps to be in twice as many places to give rise to the opportunities you're describing.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:01:59 PM
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Hopefully it means the xbone is toast from the get go.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:30:48 PM

Don't hate too much, we need MS. More choices are better for consumers and keeps the industry competitive.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 8:58:41 AM

No malice intended, I think their poisonous business practices have had a destructive impact on the industry and it is really time for them to go away and open up a slot for someone who is serious about offering a positive gaming experience instead of just trying to destroy Sony.

Positive competition is good, making it your mission to undermine the others is not positive. They've done nothing but bring franchises down.

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Underdog15
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 11:29:16 AM

Even when Sony was dominate in the PS1 and PS2 era, there was enough of a presence from the competition to keep things fresh. That's all I want. Sony to be dominate. 150 million PS2 to 24 mil XBOX and 20 mil Gamecubes... PS2 definitely did not go stale.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:09:07 PM
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There's still one more 180 up MS's sleeve. DITCH THE KINECT and drop it $100.

They keep claiming it won't ever happen. If it was anyone but MS I'd probably accept it. But this is MS. It's what they do. It's like that spineless and crooked salesman who'll say anything and re-write any rule to get his way. It's all a charade.

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Comic Shaman
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 2:00:18 PM

That 180 would be more... um... 180 than all the previous 180s combined. If that makes any sense.

I don't know how much things have changed since the internal shake-up at Microsoft, but earlier pronouncements made it very clear that they're hoping the X1 won't be just another console. They want a revolution in the living room. They want to do for TVs with Kinect what Apple did for the smartphone market with the iPhone touchscreen.

A no-Kinect X1 would be an admission that this entire vision has been scrapped. Which might be the best thing for them, because I think their pie-in-the-sky dreams are so much corporate mind poop.

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Mogreen
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:14:50 PM
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PS for life

On a serious note, Yea I see more and more people saying they're switching to PS4 this gen around here, I love it. Had to defend ps3 so hard during the dog years and only me and 2 of my friends had ps3 everyone else had 360... So i'm loving this re-emergence of a dominant sony.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:27:15 PM
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I see it as a sign that Sony is righting a few wrongs that plagued them early on with the PS3 launch.

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Teddie9
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:54:13 PM

Yeah, might have been awhile ago but being in so much better shape than last time is an incredible accomplishment regardless of how they fair competitively.

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DragonRose313
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:40:32 PM
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I paid off my PS4, and I couldn't care less what the Xbone does.

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Knightzane
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 11:53:15 PM
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I honestly don't care anymore. I'm getting a ps4, and then getting a Wii U for my girlfriend. Thats about it. Whatever xbox does, it won't be dominate this gen, its already lost. MS's stock drops by small percentages almost every other day. Its not looking good for them. Better question would be "which ps4 game will you be playing the most?" Mine would be KZ because its killzone lol

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cLoudou
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 12:04:14 AM
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It shows that the PS4 has gained more of the core gamers, but the industry is ruled by the casual market, and the uninformed consumers.

Yeah, the PS4 has more pre-orders but that can change at the end of the day when the casual crowd is buying Xboxes on name alone and/or the perception that COD is exclusive to it.

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Andivarious
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 12:04:46 AM
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All I can really say is that I'm glad that I'm not one of those XBone pre-orders. I have this sneaking suspicion that M$ is going to start re-instating those highly questionable policies in one or or another a year or so after release. I certainly wouldn't be surprised at all.

I deal with M$ crap every day, why would I want to have to worry about their hatred for their own customers at home too?

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Lukos
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 12:21:42 AM
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I say you're assuming too much from these preorders, Author. I preordered my PS4 right after E3, and I have yet to preorder a single game or accessory for it.

Further, you also assume that those polls indicate that 95% (or whatever) are buying/have bought a PS4. Those polls typically ask or imply "Which do you like better?" more than "Which are you going to buy?" (meaning not everyone who voted will buy one) and certainly account for much more than preorders. Remember, most of a console's sales happen post-launch. The polls are a great indicator of which console might be ahead, but not accurate in terms of defining an actual ratio.

You also forget that many people bought BOTH a PlayStation 4 and an Xbox One. The reason for that is beyond me.

Considering the lead PlayStation has on the U.S. market right now, to say that "Xbox will continue to be the console of choice for most gamers" is a mistake. The current state of things proves that the exact opposite could be the case if Sony continues doing what it's doing. From the back of the line, Microsoft is trying to make its console more appealing--but Sony isn't just standing there watching them and taking pictures on their Vitas. They're doing the very same thing. Microsoft CAN get its spot back but with how popular the PS3 managed to get and Sony's run from the gate with PS4, it won't be as simple as you make it out to be.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 1:09:34 AM

I never assumed anything in the article. All are questions. And I can point you to several polls that specifically asked which console consumers intend to purchase this fall, and all give the PS4 a much larger edge than these pre-order numbers indicate.

And PlayStation has no lead in the US market. The PS4 isn't here yet; what we know is that the Xbox 360 essentially outsold the PS3 by a 2:1 ratio (if not more) for almost all of its lifespan in this country. A few pre-orders leading into a generation that isn't even here yet doesn't mean the lead has shifted. That lead - and it's huge - is still held by Microsoft. There's no spot "to get back."

To say otherwise is massively presumptuous, not to mention completely false.

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shaydey77
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 7:52:11 PM

We all know a vast amount of those sales are rebuys of the 360 though with the RROD fiasco. I get they are still sales, but realisticaly they shouldn't have got half the sales they did.

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Andivarious
Friday, August 30, 2013 @ 1:00:36 AM

Agreed. I know people who have gone through 3 or 4+ xbox 360s since launch. I think it has totally skewed the sales numbers for this gen.

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ulsterscot
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 1:37:00 AM
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isn't that chart software pre orders only and not for the systems themselves?

I will also pick up an Xbone at some stage - certainly not pre ordering it - but around the time Warface and Titanfall are released. (perhaps the day before Titanfall ...) Hopefully by them Microsoft will have been humiliated and will be forced to release a cheaper version with no shitey kinect peripheral

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 9:02:44 AM

what is warface?

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ulsterscot
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 2:46:24 PM

Cryteks free2play shooter that Xbox have dibs on

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Troy Powers
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 1:41:12 AM
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Sony is in a good position. The PS4 will definitely outsell Xbox One initially (I'd say for the first 6-12 months). I think the US and the UK were the only territories in the world where the 360 outsold the PS3. Xbox losing the US is a big deal. On the other hand, Xbox One pre-orders being a little more than half of PS4 pre-orders shows just how much ground Xbox has gained since E3 and all their policy changes. I see Xbox coming in 3rd this generation but still making a shit-ton of money. Then again, it's still early in the game and some great exclusives over time will make it anybody's game.

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 3:05:59 AM
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Microsoft still (unless they do a very last minute turnaround) makes you pay $100 more for an unneeded peripheral. That irks the Xbox 360 fans I know more than some of the other things they already backed away from.

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Beamboom
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 3:12:50 AM
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I don't think we should be too mathematically stuck in what the polls say, Ben, but rather use it as an indication. And as such I believe there is something behind them. I am starting to believe what they indicate.

If the preorders of Xbox is almost *half* of what the preorders of the PS4 is, then that is an EARTHQUAKE in the land where the X360 has completely dominated the sales charts for an entire generation.

If the numbers for the current generation continued we should have seen almost the opposite, with Xbone preorders being around 25-30% higher than the PS4. So from that perspective this turnaround is *colossal*.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 11:14:38 AM

It would be a colossal turnaround if it were true. I maintain that the majority of hardcore gamers that vote online, that pre-order their systems ahead of time, are very educated about things and as a result, have pre-ordered the PS4.

Unfortunately, those people aren't are the biggest group in the industry: The casual, the mainstream, those who don't follow the game news every day, comprise the vast majority. As of now, they have no idea new consoles are coming. Then, one day, some time next year, they'll think about maybe getting a game console for the living room. And at that point, in this country, 9 out of 10 of those individuals will invariably buy the Xbox One.

That is my theory. Due to greatly superior marketing and this country's already entrenched bias of Microsoft, Xbox owns the casual/mainstream market.

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Beamboom
Friday, August 30, 2013 @ 3:40:19 PM

I guess we'll get the answer in just a few months time!

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___________
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 5:23:31 AM
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preorders are only so high because people are so desperate for new systems.
mainly because they have been stuck with the systems for so long, and there bored staring at the same box for 7+ years, using the same controler, seeing the same UI.
but stemming off that, there bored with the restraints it imposes on developers.

but thats exactly the problem, i mean DICE today revealed next gen BF4 is comparable to medium on PC.
really?
only medium?
so PC is 2 settings higher, and runs at least 1 set above consoles resolution wise as well.
this is really the best $ony and M$ could do after making us wait SEVEN FREAKING YEARS!?
color me disappointed!!!!!!!

im really starting to think next gen systems have been held back so M$ and $ony can squeeze another generation in before cloud gaming takes over.
release the specs we should of seen, and there would be no need for a replacement until cloud gaming becomes much more readily available worldwide, not just in certain cities, in certain countries.
im really starting to believe next gen systems are so lackluster so they have a excuse to release new systems sooner, thus squeezing just a little more cashola out of the hered.

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VictorDeLeon
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 9:08:17 AM
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I am not willing to trust an amateur and stupid site like VG Chartz.
And 600000 vs 350000? For the US it seems underwhelming.

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JROD0823
Saturday, August 31, 2013 @ 1:28:32 PM

For pre-orders, those numbers are incredible.

Fact.

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Fabi
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 9:10:26 AM
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Well those facebooks polls happened in the thick of the E3 backlash. A ton of things have changed now.

I think if it wasn't for Titanfall, the PS4 would have a clear victory. That game itself could be a game changer.

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Beamboom
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 10:03:53 AM

Titanfall does look mindblowingly phat, that must be admitted.


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JROD0823
Saturday, August 31, 2013 @ 1:32:55 PM

I'm sorry, but imo Titanfall looks good, but I don't see why everyone thinks what Respawn is doing is so revolutionary.

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Jawknee
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 10:44:01 AM
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Me thinks many of these preorders are former Xbox owners who were fed up with having to buy multiple Xbox's just to avoid letting their game collectin go to waste.

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Lunar_Miyuki
Thursday, August 29, 2013 @ 5:56:46 PM
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pre orders mean nothing to a Console well almost nothing

you could have 5 million pre orders butt if only 100k of those people keep the system then your screwed

remember a gaming system is a paperweight without a games
yes we seen a few games for launch to some they love the Launch games
for others Launch doesn't interest them at all

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Ramman
Friday, August 30, 2013 @ 9:32:56 PM
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Well i have no reason to lie to anyone when i say i have pre ordered 4 ps4 which i have as i figure i have bought 1 for myself and 1 for my son and 1 of the other two im probably going to keep as i did with my 1 of my 2 ps3 i oredered on launch day and prolly ebay the 4th ps4. I still have a original 60 gig ps3 in the box unopened. If mine ever goes to crap i have a replacement for the backwards compatability purpose and who knows....i may jusy ebay it when i get the new ps4....cant wait though either way. HAPPY gamin to you all

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Hannah CVH
Friday, August 30, 2013 @ 9:57:55 PM
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Getting any system day one is a big mistake. OOOOOOO BURN WOW SUE ME

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JROD0823
Saturday, August 31, 2013 @ 1:34:16 PM

Is there any logic behind your statement, or are you just pointlessly trying to get votes?

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VictorDeLeon
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 2:14:14 PM
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First the actual sale numbers, after the product is released, are absolutely not real on VGchartz, they're hypothetical numbers taken from some unknown sources.
Pre-order sales are not final sales so VG Chartz have no way of knowing them, as sites only validate the sale on release date and it's done internally on the site.

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