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How Do You Perceive The Graphical Jump In Next-Gen Systems?

While the new video game consoles offer a slew of new features, and it goes without saying that gameplay supersedes graphics, the question is still legitimate.

Everyone analyzes the increase in graphics quality when new systems arrive. It's simply the nature of the industry. Therefore, considering what you've seen thus far for the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, how would you evaluate the visual increase? Would you deem it significant without being overwhelming? Are you unimpressed? Do you regret not seeing more, especially when the accessibility of these systems may not translate to drastic graphical leaps in the future? Or are you plenty satisfied so far?

Perhaps it's easiest to compare the leaps in previous console generations. That can be tricky, though, because there are revolutionary jumps - such as the transition from 2D to 3D between the 16-bit systems and the N64/PlayStation era - and the then-mind-boggling advance from the Atari to the amazing NES. If we look at the PS2 to the PS3 and the Xbox to the Xbox 360, what do you see? Would you say that the impending leap from PS3 to PS4 and Xbox 360 to Xbox One is about the same in terms of technical distance? Are you more impressed with one generation?

Personally, I'm not seeing an overwhelming, drastic jump. It basically looks as if everything is cleaner, more refined, more polished. But I'm not really looking at footage of Killzone: Shadow Fall or Titanfall and going, "holy sh**, this is a new revolution for interactive visuals!" Are you?

Tags: next gen consoles, next generation, ps4, playstation 4, xbox one

9/1/2013 10:04:19 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (57 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 10:26:26 PM
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It looks to be incremental at best, but if anybody has a launch PS3 game and goes back to play it they will see that it's a joke to even call them PS3 games.

While the PS3 had untapped juice, the same was pretty much true of early Xbox 360 games. So I don't think it's fair to judge the graphical leaps just yet even with the simpler hardware available.

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MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 10:30:36 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if The Last of Us looks better than half of PS4 games in its first year. But enough about graphics lets talk about cigarettes.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 10:54:31 PM

Menthol cigarettes.

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MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 11:26:15 PM

Marlboro Menthol, Camel Crush, or Kool's? (Or none of the above lol)

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Jawknee
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 11:32:26 PM

Parliament Lights.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 12:43:43 AM

I quit smoking a decade ago. Those just happened to be the ones I preferred. Not that I need to explain myself to your dumba$$.

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MeXiCaNFiGhTe12
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 12:46:49 AM

LMAO WTF?

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richfiles
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 11:18:19 PM
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The thing that really has my interest is the memory increase. The memory has been increased 16 fold (from half a gig to 8 gigs). My favorite games this generation have been the sandbox games... Fallout 3, Skyrim, Red Dead, GTA4... And we already saw what memory bottlenecks and limitations can do to those games... Skyrim comes to mind.

IMAGINE what a company like Bethesda or Rockstar will be able to do with that much more memory! Think of all the bugs... err.. I mean content Bethesda will be able to put into their next big game! :D

I'm not even really concerned with graphical improvements... I suspect the uncanny valley may be not too far off anyway. What really has my excitement up, is world size, detail, and complexity. I see AI and NPCs that will be far more natural and intelligent. I see more flexible and adaptive scenarios.

It's not the graphics that excite me... It's what's under the hood, beneath the graphics that have me more excited about this generation than any in the past decade!

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Jawknee
Sunday, September 01, 2013 @ 11:35:58 PM
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I imagine the YouTube footage isn't doing these games justice. I'm sure well be a little more wowed once we get them on our LCD or LED TV's. I can tell they're better but not so much that I'm salivating for the next gen. I'm still happy with the way PS3 games and how many Wii U games are turning out so I don't really need a huge jump in graphic fidelity. .

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Jawknee
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 12:46:12 AM

I don't even know who you are or what you're talking about. Sounds like you got issues though given your asinine comments that have zero to do with the topic at hand. If you were banned, perhaps you should go back to your moms basement and reflect on why you psycho.

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Jawknee
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 1:22:10 AM

Wrong, but this is the Internet so assume what ever you like. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 9:26:00 AM

That's not really true, Jawknee and I are polar opposites in the political realm and we get along.

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Martyg
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 12:19:55 AM
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What the? The Atari 2600 isn't 2-bit, it's an 8-bit system. It has an 8-bit 6507 CPU and 8-bit system bus. There were no 2-bit or 4-bit systems, just different generations of 8-bit. (Except for the Intellivision, which is 16-bit). Bitness has fiery little to do with the graphics capabilities in these earlier systems, it's purely the differences in the graphics chips.

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Shams
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 2:56:17 AM
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To me, Shadowfall significantly looks better than anything I've played on my ps3 or pc. But, I agree to some extent about the relative gap as compared to previous generations, though I think that has more to with our waning ability to observe and appreciate the difference as visuals become closer to CGI quality.

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Temjin001
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 1:45:50 PM

yes, Shadowfall is visually significant. probably the most significant of anything I've seen. Infamous looks really satisfactory too.

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Beamboom
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 4:17:35 AM
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We've seen nothing yet.
The capabilities of the next generation is much wider reaching than just slicker graphics, and it will take time for the developers to fully be able to handle this increased capacity. It opens up new conceptual possibilities that takes time to be implemented in new games.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 4:35:12 AM
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*Lawless blinks confusedly at... whatever is going on above*

I think that there is a marked gap between the generations, but it's not as pronounced as it has been in the past as this gen has nailed the aesthetics and, going forward, the only possible outcome is the law of diminishing returns. We'll get closer and closer to photorealism, but the jumps will be small. It's already begun. That pretty much sums up my current feelings on next-gen visuals.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 9:36:03 AM

He must have made another account, posted as Anonymous, then posted again as himself saying not to hack the site. Some kind of hero complex at work.

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___________
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 7:02:26 AM
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you got another word for disappointing?
the fact that BF4 on "next gen" systems is the equivalent of 720P upscaled to 1080P medium settings on the PC, yea that pretty much says it all.
you want true next gen?
buy a PC!
want true next next gen?
buy a PC, and the oculus rift!
OMFG that thing is so amazing, playing far cry 3 with it last night almost brought me to tears!
so so beautiful that world, to be in it literally, to have a tiger leap at your face, yea lets just leave it at ubisoft owes me a new pair of underpants!

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newchef
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 10:16:10 AM

except a decent gaming console would cots well over a grand to buy unless your building it yourself , and i dont plan on building a computer from the ground up to play video games

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___________
Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 9:21:09 AM

well over a grand my a$$!
dont need to even build them yourself, most manufactures offer mini towers which will put the ps4s specs to shame, and for similar costing.

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PlatformGamerNZ
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 7:09:54 AM
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yeah i mean i haven't actually had hd console graphics myself so i think it will be big for me in that respect but i'm keen i might need a new tv aswell cos i had sme problems with the hd cable and plug in's.

happy gaming =)

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ethird1
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 7:33:26 AM
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There is a huge jump, and I said it years ago what kind of jump I thought it should be. I got lucky.

I said that it could be just like a 25% jump in graphics, but the machine would have to be able to push much more to it, aka, player characters and such.

Now the ps4 will have 64 players with BF 4 instead of 24, like on the ps3. If you played BF for the pc you know how crazy it is with 64 people. The console players had the same huge map, but 40 players less.

This could truly end up being meh dream machine.

Serious Professional Gaming Journalist ... Muahahaha!!

End of line.

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shaydey77
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 8:11:31 AM

Agreed. There will be a lot more content this time.

I don't think we will see the same visual graphical jump as obvious as say PS2 to PS3, however we will see a lot more going on with a lot less screen tearing. That's what I percieve anyways.

Cant wait for the 64 player BF4 battles either!

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Masszt3r
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 8:23:26 AM
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Wow! That's quite a drama story we have up there haha!
Anyway, I don't really see a big leap over graphics. I am, however, more interested in how all that extra power will help in AI and, as someone already mentioned, the opportunities for sandbox games. If we had such a big world as Skyrim with the amount of RAM we had, I wonder what we can achieve with 8gb.

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Kiryu
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 9:09:43 AM
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Just saw multiplayer video of Killzone Shadow Fall,1080p and in smooth 60 fps,can't even imagine how the single player will look like.

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Maruf
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 9:36:41 AM
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In terms of processing power, its not as much a jump as taking the stairs. But thats ok. Considering the jump that happened in 2005, this is not really next gen but next gen and half. Processing power has not really improved drastically compared to graphics IMO. In graphics, many new technological advancements have been made but to implement all these things together in a game has been expensive in terms of processing requirements and cost for consumers. So I think CPU and graphics processing are achieving a better balance than before. You don't need Ultra HD. I mean the animated movies we see look plenty good at 1080. So instead of higher resolution, it seems a better idea to introduce hardware capable of faster and better real time graphics rendering capabilities. Maybe now they'll release 8 GB graphics cards for PC that are affordable.

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Beamboom
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 9:45:08 AM

This I simply don't agree with. Only "problem" is that the real generation jump this time takes place elsewhere than pure graphics churning. And frankly this was *exactly* what I was hoping for.

But that means that the "in-your-face" difference will not be there, and the generation shift will be more visible in some types of games than others.

But in particular the new memory and memory-handling architecture (especially if the shared memory feature of cpu and gpu were true) really represent a huge leap. Not immediately, and not so visible in static screenshots, but for mechanics, AI, gameplay and features.

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Maruf
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 9:57:45 AM

I don't see how you're disagreeing with me since I know I agree with what you said.

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Beamboom
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 10:10:01 AM

"this is not really next gen but next gen and half"

that's the quote I disagreed with (I assume you meant "a half" increment and not "one and a half"). I think this generation shift is very real - and much needed. :)

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Temjin001
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 1:50:23 PM

proportionally it's about par for a next-gen interval of processing. But that's on a 5-6 year interval. For the 7-8 year interval we're seeing now the tech is just a bit underwhelming.

and something to consider about all of this, there is a level of diminishing returns now that we're so close to a very high level of realism.
In the past, simply going from 16 colors to 256 meant for a massive increase in visuals. These days, increasing color palette would mean little to nothing.

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Maruf
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 9:49:48 AM
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@DD. If I want to kiss someones butt, what's your problem. I wont bother to check for another comment so don't bother smart guy.

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Gabriel013
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 10:03:24 AM
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I haven't seen a huge jump in any of the videos but they can be misleading.

Although I would like to see something to increase my heart rate I think we all would like to see them focus on expanding the interactivity of the world.

For me, games like FarCry 3 don't need to look any better but if they could make it feel even more like a real world with more detailed character interactions rather than some feeling like cardboard cut outs.
I would expect that would unfortunately bump up production costs much further and that is something I know the industry wants to move away from.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 10:59:54 AM
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All posts by the intruder and those responding to him have been deleted.

I am not in the business of making reasons for bans public, but as his personal vendetta has already made it public, here's the clarification-

Brighat was banned for freaking out in the Comments and saying all Americans were "fat and stupid" and we should all just "kill ourselves." He added in a separate email to me that he's glad everyone hates our country, and, quote- "I hope you get hit with more terrorist attacks." That is the tamest of his hate messages, by the way.

The rest of that email and others were equally sick and disturbing. Now, if anyone would like me to reinstate this person's membership, by all means, let me know.

So, I think you understand now and yes, it can be scary to be doing ANYTHING online these days. People like that actually exist and their level of mental distortion is indeed creepy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 11:27:54 AM

Now I understand why game developers fear for their lives.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 11:29:07 AM

What a sad and pathetic life an individual must live in order to act the way this troll is. We get it, you're upset. We don't care :)

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SayWord
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 11:31:50 AM

This is the first time ive ever heard of brighat and ive been visiting this site for years. But looking through the internet this clearly disturbed person has wrote countless blogs about you just because you have differing opinions. This clown has some serious issues and the fact that he is so attached to you and only you is quite scary. I would recommend just ignoring anything and everything this person does. This sad pathetic person is far beyond saving and there is no need to have this psycho actually cause any harm.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 11:37:19 AM

Brighat: I tried to talk it out with you via email. I asked you politely what had happened in the comments and you flipped out. Would you like me to quote those anti-American hate emails for the world to see? You really wouldn't; you know I'm not lying. I only called you a ****-up after you scared me and everyone else by completely losing your mind.

However, if you really feel I have wronged you somehow - and you clearly do - I am willing to try again. If you go crazy again, I will not be responding. Please email me and we can try to talk; I've unblocked your address in my email.

Bear in mind I'm not all that intent on letting you back in after the continual messes you caused, but I aim to be open-minded. All right? The email I've unblocked is your brighat one.

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Beamboom
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 3:37:09 PM

Ben, I tip my hat off to you for this move in your last post here. I've always believed in dialogue.


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Axe99
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 6:28:55 PM

Fair enough too - good luck dealing with this Ben, some folk get a bit warped. Made all the easier by the potential to live in an imaginary world almost all our lives (not saying this is a bad thing, just that some people don't respond that well to it ;)).

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 7:17:39 PM

All: This has been resolved, I believe. I think brighat will come back and explain things to you guys the way he did to me. And when he does, I expect the people here to be understanding of the situation.

We were both at fault and there were extenuating circumstances of which I was not aware. Like I said, I will leave it to him, as he has asked to apologize to everyone and explain what's up.

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Brighat
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 7:43:38 PM

Guys, I want to apologize for my terrible behavior the last several months, especially to _____, Jawknee, David Nelson, LimitedVertigo and the new guys.

I suffer from mental illness; I have Asperger's Syndrome and anger management issues. I've been seeing a psychologist for 2 years but it's slow going as I have years of damage to repair. When somebody took offense to a comment i made regarding why Microsoft dominated the U.S. with the 360, I lost it and made an error in judgment. Both I and Ben went the wrong way in dealing with the matter and that led to months of me ripping him and you guys because I felt I was being unfairly singled out. I had similar problems at 1up; where my dislike for Microsoft made me an infidel.

Ben and I talked it over when I explained what caused me to lose my mind. We both talked it over and realized we were both at fault and we over-reacted. I have tears in my eyes writing this as he is letting me back in with open arms.

I don't expect all of you to forgive and forget. I said some vile things to some of you. I'm willing to forgive and forget. Ben will strive to prohibit any flaming to keep everybody happy here. I won't always agree with all comments but I will always make sure to properly rebut people professionally. I will keep myself in check.

This next generation is Sony's all the way. People are realizing what Microsoft is all about. If Sony continues to do everything the way they have, a return to a 50/50 split in the U.S. and U.K. is a certainty. I want to be here for that great 6-8 year period.

Again, I'm sorry to anybody I offended. I'm sorry to Ben. I want to put this behind me and start anew.

Thanks.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 7:56:53 PM

I don't accept your apology though you've never offended me. You're behavior has been completely out of line. While you may honestly have a mental illness I do not believe it gives you a free pass to act like a lunatic on a videogame forum. I can only imagine how ridiculous you must be concerning things that actually matter. I'm shocked that Ben let you back on (especially after your spam fest) and I'm sure your presence will be short lived.

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Brighat
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 8:01:34 PM

I understand, LV. I have to earn your trust.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 8:26:17 PM

LV: It's not a "free pass" when someone suffers from a mental illness. I agree that his behavior was out of line but it was also irrational. I believe in holding people responsible for their actions, but things get awfully fuzzy when it comes to illnesses beyond a person's control.

Brighat: Thanks for giving it a second go. You do understand that you have to earn back this community's trust, and I hope it happens. Just talk games, have fun, and everything should be fine. :)

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Akuma07
Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 12:24:54 AM

I feel like I just watched an episode of Jerry Springer.

Oh well, I guess it's moving on now.

Oh and Brighat, I wouldn't bother apologizing to Blank Line Guy (aka _____), that dude is a twat. Hahaha.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 3:40:08 AM

Welcome back, Brighat. This has taken a surprising turn for the better, right now I am a very proud member of this community.

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Axe99
Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 4:02:45 AM

Welcome back Brighat, and best of luck working through the mental health issues. I'm a big one for moving forward, and am very impressed that you and Ben are moving forward positively with this. We all make mistakes - the test of character is how we deal with both ours and other peoples. Look forward to reading many more of your comments in the future :).

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 4:41:57 AM

Aww, shucks. This feels like such a personal moment. It's good to have you back, Brighat; I don't think we ever really interacted much back in the days of yore, but like I wrote yesterday, I always considered you as an esteemed member of this community. Not, perhaps, with the standing of the likes of World, Jawknee, LV and others, but an interesting person to have around. I hope that you're honest in your intent to turn a new leaf and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. :)

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 5:07:35 AM

Hi brighat.
Jumping to your latter remarks I'm not so sure about gamers seeing Microsoft for what they are.

360 gamers were incensed that the XB1 had all those (now removed) policies yet what they could have done is see the PS4 already does everything they want and bought that instead. But no, they insisted that Microsoft should change policies to make them feel happier about buying an XB1. Brand Loyalty at work. They just HAD to get the Microsoft console.

Personally, I love all 3 of my Sony consoles but if the PS4/XB1 policies had been completely reversed at launch I would have shrugged and dropped the console I didn't like off my purchase list. Simple as that.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 11:18:54 AM

It's cool Brighat, out of the many times I've felt compelled to defend the US and our Bill of Rights the conversation I had with you is not one I remember. So next tie you feel lie you're losing control just remember this is the Internet. No reason to take anything you read on these threads personally. :)

Cheers

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Temjin001
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 11:12:42 AM
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There was a reason Tim Sweeney a couple years ago asked for 2.5 TFLOPS of processing for the coming gen. It was the minimum necessary amount to take graphics to the next standard.

As it turns out we have current gen visuals on steroids. But thankfully even those visuals can look really dang good in the right hands. I'm sure there'll be many games that arrive this next gen that just look way way better than the current gen standard.

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Burton
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 12:32:34 PM
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I see the graphics improvements in the little things at first. Frame rate, load times, more detailed textures and/or wild life in the environments.

This generation will take the time to get going. Smarter AI for NPCs will be a must. Although it will take some time for developers to build better engines for their games.

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PC_Max
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 1:17:52 PM
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I'm not seeing anything "graphically" that is wowwing me. Yep there MAYBE more detail here and there, better looking explosions or even character models, but that would be related of course to memory increase I suppose. But is that a wow? Nope.

With all the complaining going on about current console limitations holding devs back... they had better start proving it in more ways than just textures, or environment effects like mist, fog or rain. If graphics is solely the focus.

With all the so called demand for sandbox worlds and such, if we are going to see more of that, not sure thats a leap either.

"AI" has been a big thing of complaint this gen, some more recently focussing on The Last of US know "AI" issues or maybe limitations that Naughty Dog had to choose based on PS3. Now with all the new hardware, the "coding" for these games had better be better allowing the devs to bring more intelligence to the "AI".

We or those that are buying the consoles this year will see if the debs deliver.

Problem is before we see any REAL leaps it might be a year or two once the hopeful creative juices flow.

Keep Playing!

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xnonsuchx
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 5:33:15 PM
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A lot of the demos don't look much better than what the PS3 (and even 360) can do. Some of the better ones only look maybe 50% better...not the 1000% they claim. still, as long as a game is fun, I can overlook graphics quality. The original GALAGA is still one of my favorite games. :-)

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MrAnonymity
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 6:41:09 PM
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I couldn't care less. I understand the necessity behind the technological improvements, but graphics are the least of my concerns. Quality goes far beyond being visually appealing. Sure, there really is a way to make a game painful to look at, but at that point it was probably intentional.

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Brighat
Monday, September 02, 2013 @ 8:06:02 PM
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The thing that will show me how much more powerful these new consoles will be probably will be when I win a game of MLB '14 via walk-off and the players celebrating won't be full of slow-down and stuttering. It will be smooth and life-like with a steady frame rate.

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