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CliffyB: "No Disc-Based Games"

A number of developers, publishers, analysts, and industry insiders have expressed their desire to see the digital revolution continue.

One of those is Gears of War lead designer and Epic Games boss Cliff Bleszinski aka CliffyB. One of his most recent quotes has quickly made the Internet rounds, as it came from Reddit and quite simply reads- "No disc based games."

This was in reply to the question, "What do you want to see from the next-gen consoles?" This shouldn't come as any surprise to those who have followed Bleszinksi's statements and views in the past; he definitely embraces digital distribution and has often touted its merits. We at PSXE, however, still believe in the importance of physical media and have numerous concerns as to the realistic (and potentially highly frustrating) future of supposed all-digital.

Some of us prefer to keep our discs, CliffyB. If you don't mind too greatly.

Tags: cliff bleszinski, cliffyb, next generaion, next gen consoles, physical media, digital gaming

9/18/2012 12:13:25 AM John Shepard

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Comments (33 posts)

WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 12:25:20 AM
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Keep dreamin' Cliff.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 4:31:11 AM

In this case his dream will come true though. It is really just a question of time.

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TheAgingHipster
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 8:32:52 AM

I hope so. No physical media may mean no physical collection, but it also means the devs get all the money from their sales rather than allowing the used market to cut in, and it *could* lead to cheaper games thanks to no printing costs. Bring on the digital age, man.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 11:43:53 AM

No. This is his dream for the next generation ie PS4 NextBox, and that won't happen.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 2:09:33 PM

Ah, that way. The next consoles will obviously have disc drives, that's true.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 12:25:41 AM
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Just say "NO" to Cliffy!

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ZenChichiri
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 1:18:58 AM

Let's Occupy CliffyB. Or at least his personal space anyways.

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 12:32:33 AM
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I don't have any game from Epic in my collection and it doesn't seem like that will change going with that remark. Sorry, but no way will I support a console that is download-only, even if it's a PlayStation.

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 1:03:55 AM
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These people are too caught up with this idea rather than actually thinking it out. Internet, Internet speeds and hdd space is still an issue and always will be!

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 3:14:12 AM
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I believe I've made myself abundantly clear on this point in the past. The artist formerly known as Cliffy B. may be a fine designer, but stupid is as stupid does, as Gump's momma would say

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xnonsuchx
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 4:39:20 AM
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F__ you, CliffyB!

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___________
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 5:18:18 AM
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amazing how closed minded people are these days!
no disk based games does not mean everything has to be downloaded, theres plenty of forms of media out there that are not disks!
i thought we would of seen the ditch of disk drives this gen, especially with the 360 and wii with their smaller capacities.
but definitely next gen though.
the only benefit disks gave was their high capacity, and flash storage is almost there now and is almost at the same cost also.
but you also have to consider reliability, which flash is FAR superior, so if anything flash in the long run is cheaper anyway.
if every game next gen is 100+GBs than yes we still need disks.
but if not, if there slightly larger than games this gen than i see no reason why we cant use flash based cards instead.

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ChaseHammer
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 5:40:13 AM
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We all saw how successful the PSP-Go went. The day video games are download only is the day I stop playing new games. Im so tired of download games. My Hdd cant hold them all and I hate having to wait 3 hours to play a game if I had to delete it for space.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 10:00:18 AM

lol...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 10:27:47 AM

Cut down the size of your avatar, please.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 2:06:22 PM

lol awesome... I'm sorta jealous =p

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Underdog15
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 7:26:05 AM
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When asked if he was still an ignorant ash, CliffyB responded with "yes".

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 8:31:40 AM
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I like my disc-based games thank you very much.

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Laguna
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 9:14:12 AM
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i wont be buying games next gen if there is no disc.

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tes37
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 9:19:53 AM
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After reading a couple of articles that Sony might start using 6TB discs, with the option of using one whole terabyte for security and encryption, I don't see an all digital format being able to compete. 1TB of security would take a long time to crack. Speaking of crack, CliffyB sounds like the nickname of a crackhead, he should consider changing it.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 12:29:20 PM

1TB of security is not so much the security as it is the overhead of the encryption. To be honest, I don't believe that they will go to Terabyte discs in the PS4 simply because they are a) unnecessary, b) impractical and c) the technology is still far too immature for consumer grade devices. Aside from anything else there is the updated Bluray standard with 33GB per layer and up to 4 layers (with more available within the spec). That's 132GB per disc, even if you allow 1/6 of that for encryption overhead you still have over 100GB available for content which is plenty large enough for anything that PS4 will be pushing to a screen.

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DrRockso87
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 10:37:53 AM
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Okay. Digital distrubition only? Sure.

As soon as publishers implement a system that allows us to sell digital games we don't want anymore for money, increase the amount of bandwidth available to decrease downloading times, and allow us to share digital games with friends.

Once you can implement ALL of that, only then will I ever support a digital distribution only future.

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wiley_kyotee
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 5:18:03 PM

Also, ISPs have to stop setting download limits and charging overage fees if you go over.

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Kevin5
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 11:26:02 AM
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*Looks at article image*


Yeah i don't think i will take what this guy says too seriously.

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LaasYaNir
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 11:47:31 AM

He's the douchiest of douchebags.

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WYO1016
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 11:31:21 AM
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Digital distribution is all well and good, but CliffyB doesn't seem to realize that broadband is not nearly to the level that it needs to be for this model to work. For instance, I live in rural Wyoming. The best connection I can get is 6 mb/s, and that only bumped up from 1.5 mb/s in the last month. There are a lot of places like that around the country and the world.

Look, we know that you can get blazing fast broadband in urban areas, but there are still quite a few people in this world that don't live in a city (and frankly have no desire to).

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I007spectre
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 11:58:46 AM
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Cliffy B. is not one of the video game developers I follow. I prefer David Cage or David Jaffe. At least they are talking about ways to make games better.

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Highlander
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 12:22:50 PM
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Yay, the ridiculously named Cliffy B thinks he rules the world. Hey Cliffy, so tell me, do you have ubiquitous and cheap high speed broadband internet for everyone? Because the only way the industry is moving away from physical games is when that is a universal facility and consumers are ready to accept it. Neither factor is present, and forcing the pace is just not a good idea...

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Norrin Radd
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 12:54:15 PM
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Hmmmm....Interesting idea. I think a lot of you are just jumping on CliffyB (Do you really want to have to say or type "Bleszinski" every time?) because he mostly bats for the other team.

Personally, I think games on Flash would be great. IF that's what he means by digital distribution, I'm all for it. If he means download only, then he's out of his mind. As intriguing as that might be, it's just an impossibility. The industry is not going to cut off a HUGE portion of it's customers for whom download only is just not feasible. The infrastructure just does not exist to support it - nor will it exist (at least in the U.S.) for decades to come.

And, FWIW, Gears of War 3 is pretty darn fun!

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Beamboom
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 2:14:00 PM

There is no principal difference between flash drives and discs. It's both digital storage. He means networked distribution.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 2:08:41 PM
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No surprise, I'm sure when he walked into a Gamestop and saw all of his many games being recycled time and time again for 5-10 dollars a pop, it made him raise his fist to the air and swear "I WILL PUT AN END TO DISC BASED GAMES!"

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firesoul453
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 5:51:01 PM
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Cartridge based games!

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Rogueagent01
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 8:39:41 PM
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I always love his comments, it's as if he says this stuff just to see how much rage he can create. Well at least I hope that is what he is doing, otherwise the guy lost most of his marbles years ago.

As someone already pointed out, PSPGO enough said! It won't work and will only decrease substantially the amount of customers & money the industry can make. A lot of people try to act like physical media is expensive, when in fact because of the world we live in it is remarkably cheap and effective. That 3-10 dollars could be saved by just selling from your own website and cutting places like Gamestop out of the equation.

A digital future will come eventually but it is still a ways off. I also believe, just like every other form of media we have, that physical will still remain it will just become the smaller side of distribution, rather than the larger.

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