Rumor: Sony's Orbis/PS4 Is Powerful And "Very Affordable"

Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 10:29:31 PM
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Blu-Ray drive = BC I hope.

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 10:47:14 PM

if it's an A10 you'd better believe it.... WONT!

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daus26
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 10:50:58 PM

Yeah, having blu-ray won't matter. Unless Sony has a super premium model that will sport a cell emulator chip in it, bye bye BC hope.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:05:14 PM

Damn...

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:27:24 AM

Daus, if they put a SPURS chip in the thing, it would provide the SPEs, but they'd still have to emulate the rest of the Cell on the main CPU and somehow get the high data transfer rates from the EIB in the Cell achievable over a regular system bus (which is really not very likely).

What a pile of crap.

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ohmikkie
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 10:04:18 AM

That is where the cloud gaming will come in (Gaikai)

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Coffeya
Saturday, November 03, 2012 @ 11:37:06 AM

Okay I am clueless, what in the world is a BC? I tried googling it, but came up with nothing.

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, November 03, 2012 @ 2:24:24 PM

BC=Backwards Compatibility, I'm pretty sure.

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 10:45:18 PM
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x86 NOOoooooooo!!

Sorry, Highlander, better hope this rumor comes up false ;)

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:06:14 PM

Can you explain to me what does it mean? (If.the rumor is true)

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:51:41 PM

I dont think it's true because it doesnt jive well with other rumors.

As a point of comparison, AMD's website has their fastest A10 AMU (CPU and GPU on one chip) clocking in at 700 gflops. The fastest single gpu graphics card on the consumer PC market right now is over 3000 gflops. In other words, 3 Tflops. And that's JUST gpu.

TIm Sweeney said he wanted no less than 2.5tflops from the next-gen.
THis A10 falls less than a third of that.

Last edited by Temjin001 on 11/1/2012 11:52:08 PM

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:58:18 PM

oh, and btw, a search on google tells me the PS3's Cell, just Cell, can preform at a theortical maximum (assuming all cylinders are firing) at about 230 gflops (low precision). Add in the RSX's performance to that and we're looking at a relatively meager next-gen boost ;)

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:25:31 AM

I hope so too Temjin, otherwise my PS3 and Vita are the end of my association with Sony.

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Temjin001
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:53:15 AM

but where will you go for your games, Highlander?

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 1:10:21 AM

not sure Temjin, I think learning Japanese and getting a Vita for JPN games might work

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Neo_Aeon666
Sunday, November 04, 2012 @ 6:43:06 PM

Yeah but some other rumors said it would run the built-in card + a separate card. So that A10 would only be there for support. no?

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Bonampak
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 10:50:12 PM
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That's basically what Sony and MS are trying to achieve. Produce a powerful machine that is also affordable.

Since with how things are in the current market (competition coming from all sides) and how fickle the mainstream audience is, it just makes sense that they go about it that way.

I know core gamers will hate to read this, but whoever wins that mainstream/casual audience, will win the next gen war - that how the PS2*, Wii and the 360 with its huge dudebro base (8 year olds galore), were able to sell so many consoles.

Therefore, the PS4 needs to be affordable for that crowd but also powerful enough to satisfy the hardcore gamer.

In Sony we trust.

* The PS2 had a large hardcore user base, but it also had a much larger mainstream base as well. The hardcore software sales numbers pretty much illustrate that. Not a single (as in 1, uno, one) hardcore game ever came close to being bought by even half of the PS2's total user base. Who knows what they were playing instead of hc games. But it doesn't matter. They helped the PS2 to become the top console of its generation. The PS4 will need that help as well.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:08:10 PM

I just hope we get games like Socom that aren't aimed at the casuals.

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Bonampak
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:43:44 PM

The fact that the PS2 had a casuals in its user base didn't prevent any of the core games from being made.

Even on the Wii, hardcore Nintendo gamers had their fill (Metroid, Zelda, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Sin and Punishment 2, Xenoblade, The Last Story, No More Heroes 1, 2 - etc.)

The PS4 needs to be inclusive not exclusive if it is to become king of the living-room in most households (screw the basement :p ).

Last edited by Bonampak on 11/1/2012 11:46:12 PM

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:19:18 AM

That's some well reflected posts you did there, Bonampak. Good point about the PS2 user base too.

In Sony We Trust! :)

Last edited by Beamboom on 11/2/2012 2:29:53 AM

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richfiles
Sunday, November 04, 2012 @ 2:23:41 PM

Yeah... Working at a Gamestop... I can tell you what the rest of those PS2 sales were... C. R. A. P.

Look at any Under $4.99 PS2 bin (where they still exist) and you'll see how PS2 had such high sales. Casual gamers buying utter drivel.

We just have to make sure that we buy the hardcore games we want. I've learned to buy certain games new, no matter HOW BAD I wish I could just wait for a pre-owned price a year later, just cause I know I may NEVER SEE that game again...

I NEVER trade my games in. As a hardcore gamer myself, I refuse to part with my collection! Likewise, it leaves a big void. Fewer hardcore games for sale, even used. Often times, we may only ever get a SINGLE shipment of new ATLUS games, and then, we may only ever get 1-5 copies... EVER! That's depressing. There's a reason I have no issue pre-ordering games like that. I don't wanna be the hardcore gamer left out.

So yeah... I bought a LOT of my hardcore titles new. Some I still haven't gotten around to playing (SO MANY GAMES IT HURTS MY WALLET AND TIME). Still, I do want to support certain games. I hate much of the kind of crap that get sold, but I know it's GOOD for the devs and the console makers. It's money in the bank, but it DOES feel like it's taking a bite out of the GOOD stuff.

I really shouldn't complain. I have such a backlog, I should truly wish for MORE time invested in FEWER titles. I'd be OK with that, but it only works if devs are willing to fund hardcore gaming by riding the coattails of casual gaming profits. I have a hard time believing this would ever actually happen

Imagine if Skyrim had working PS3 code! /)O_O(
Quick Bethesda! Release a bunch of drag racing games as DLC and use the profits to pay for a new team of PS3 coders! XD

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:11:19 PM
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That's terrifying, no PS3 BC and no cell? Maybe PS1 and PS2 BC?

I've already got 4 consoles hooked up, I can't handle more!

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wiiplay
Sunday, November 04, 2012 @ 1:36:37 PM

Can't handle more? Are you, like, insane?
You can NEVER have enough consoles! If you're running out of HDMI / ports on your TV, then BUY another TV. (and preferably more cables, unless you intend on switching them out manually, like we used to do back in the old days of gaming)

Well, here's my first post of the year / month / week. See you all again after the PS4 releases. :)

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Ludakriss
Monday, November 05, 2012 @ 7:03:19 AM

Wiiplay, you, my friend have one, cool, avatar =)

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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:33:24 PM
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If there's not going to be any more B/C, then this is very depressing news.

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:24:33 AM

No BC, no buy. Personally I can;t see me buying an x86 PlayStation at all, whether it has BC or not. But no BC will just kill the PS brand for a lot of people. Hell, maybe I will even buy into the WiiU at this rate?

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wiiplay
Sunday, November 04, 2012 @ 3:15:14 PM

Honestly, we're purchasing next generation consoles to play and engage ourselves in next generation games. Although having backwards compatibility with the PlayStation 4 would certainly be a welcomed feature, buying next gen to play current gen just doesn't make much sense.
I mean, you've already got a PS3 for that.

Never quite understood the whole backwards compatibility deal. If you want to play a PS2 game, hook up your PS2 and play it. If the PS4 doesn't have backwards compatibility with PS3 games, then I'll just keep my PS3, and play them whenever I have the urge.

Honestly, is being able to play old games on new consoles really that important?

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playaplus
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:49:11 PM
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wonder when sony plans to use gakai or whatever

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bruno_py
Thursday, November 01, 2012 @ 11:54:37 PM
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Well, maybe gabe was right, the cell was not worth it. Probably developers are more than happy with this specs, they wouldn't have that much trouble to develop games for it, It will be basically a PC under the hood. I hope it gets those 16G of ram, maybe there won't be such a big difference with PC games later on, since that's the limit on 64 bits Windows.

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:23:27 AM

If Gabe was right, he would not have 180'd and started producing better versions of games on PS3 than on 360.

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bruno_py
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 1:00:00 AM

valve's engineers took the initiative, not gabe. No doubt valve can do wonders when they feel like, they even got a better version of left for dead on linux than on windows!

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iwillbetheone
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 1:21:06 AM

Current PCs can easily go upto 32GB RAM. There's no way a console can battle the PC in a specs war anyway.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:23:30 AM

... And speaking of Valve and Linux; with the current and remarkably sudden momentum Linux has gained as a new gaming platform I am getting more and more convinced that there must be a Linux based gaming console in the making over at a major player somewhere. It just makes no sense otherwise, all this can't happen only cause developers don't like the Windows 8 closed market scheme.

And that Linux based console I further suspect to come from Gabes men themselves. Yup, a Valvebox.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 10:42:49 AM

Consoles have the advantage of being a closed system that is more affordable and can benefit from consistent engineering. They make a little more cosmetic sense for a living room, too. I know that's merely an aesthetic, but to people who entertain guests, it matters.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:08:27 PM

Totally agree, Underdawg. That's how it is.

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:23:01 AM
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If Sony puts out a piece of crap based on x86, the PS3 will be my last home console with the brand Sony or the model PlayStation

If I wanted a crappy x86 system to play games on I would have upgraded my PC already. Tell me though, how in the hell does this piece of crap design differ from the original Xbox? It's nothing more than a closed box PC with an optical drive and HDD.

If this is indeed true, and not misdirection, then it shows what a sad state of affairs Sony has come to. What a total betrayal of everything the PlayStation brand has stood for since it's inception.

In a word. Pathetic.

Of course now I think about it, if you look at the game news over the last year or two, even the PS3 is increasingly a home to shooters, action games survival horrors and just about anything else that achieves an M rating though wearing, graphic violence and gore. Not my kind of game at all. Then again the kiddy crap that Nintendo pushes isn't my thing either. So I am stranded between consoles and between genre. I guess I better learn japanese and buy another Vita...

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:31:53 AM

Oh, one other thing, it sounds like some moron in Sony decided that very affordable was more important than excellence. Sony has always prided itself on the excellence of it's products, not their affordability. This is a true betrayal of Sony's own ideals, and the very ideals their own executives have espoused about PS3 and even PS4.

Morons.

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Killa Tequilla
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:58:28 AM

Idc if its $600. I just want awesome games!!!

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bruno_py
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 1:05:23 AM

right! It'll be better than the ps3, x86 based or not.

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 1:14:21 AM

Can I just point out it's technically a rumour... Jumping the gun a bit to accuse Sony of favouring affordability over quality.

Though in the end I couldn't really blame them if that's the case. They have received constant criticism from EVERYONE that the ps3 had a price problem initially.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:07:06 AM

I wish it WAS home to lots of survival horror games.

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mehrab2603
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:35:32 AM

All the rumors (except maybe one) suggest that Sony is indeed using an AMD processor. Good luck learning Japanese :)
I gave up when I found out I have to memorize at least 1000 kanji characters.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:46:33 AM
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I am relieved to see that the reactions about this hardware change is not *too* pessimistic among many of you veteran PS folks. I expected more doomsday reactions now that we got this practically confirmed.

I'm excited. My view is that for Sony and Playstation to go the more standardized route has a a well of positive consequences: Broader developer appeal, shorter development time, lesser cost to develop for the PS means potentially more games also in smaller/niche genres, companies with traditional developer competence might now include our platform in their portfolio, lesser production costs for Sony, less hassle and bugs... We simply get to fully enjoy our hardware sooner.

Yup - I dig this. I don't know about you guys but I bought me a console cause I wanted something hazzle free, something that just works, with minimum involvement from my part. I don't *really* care about what's inside the box as long as it behaves like any other box on my livingroom; It's there, it works, no hazzle. Period.
That's the *real* beauty of a console, isn't it?

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 3:51:10 AM

here;s a doomsday reaction, an x86 based PlayStation is a steaming pile of dog crap that should never be allowed to see the light of day. It essentially guarantees zero BC with PS3, and is nothing more than a souped up Xbox - remember the original CXbox was x86 with PC GPU, which is all this piece of crap will be. Why should I buy a closed box PC when I can make one of my own with a completely free hand on component selection. x86 PlayStation is one of the most stupid ideas in gaming in 2 decades. If you had suggested an x86 design to anyone during previous generations you'd have been laughed from the room - as you still should be.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 4:23:42 AM

I knew you were an exception Highlander. We've been down this road before. I've already heard your groans. :)
I'm just happy not everyone sees things like you do.

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 5:00:19 AM

Not half so happy as I am that so few people see things your way.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 5:43:08 AM

Why would that be so bad?
Do you *wish* for Sony to fail hard with the next PS and be met with a wall of hate? You must be out of your mind happy about how the Vita turned out then.

You're one weird guy. Still luv ya though. ;)

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Ludakriss
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 8:46:30 AM

Beamboom, you god damn genius!

I'm streaming with joy because of your comment! OW!

If only companies could base their decisions on those ideals and expectations. Damn, we'd have one beautifully satisfied gaming community.

It'd be like the Canada of gaming xDDD

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gumbi
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 9:29:58 AM

I'm entirely with highlander on this topic. If this rumour is true, it'll be a sad day for this Sony fan. This hardly constitutes and upgrade, nevermind a generational leap.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 10:51:01 AM

I've always been a Sony fan because they don't make the most affordable stuff, yet the higher pricetag makes sense to the quality of the product. They've always been the leader in cutting edge home technology. Remember the Walk-man? Sony. Same thing with the discman. Best cam-corders, Bravias, home theatres... etc. It's always never been the cheapest, but you guarantee quality if you can afford it.

I'd prefer Sony maintain that committment to being the best quality. It may have had scrutiny at the start of the PS3's life (just as the PS1, PS2, PSP, and I'm sure the Vita will be the same). In the end of the consoles life... it is known... the PS brand is king. PS3 is halfway there, now edging ever so close to XBOX sales. And in the end, it will have sold far more.

I want sony to continue that trend. I don't care about fan wars. I'm prefectly happy to silently know I have the best even if others don't realize it.

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Clamedeus
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:08:25 PM

I agree with Highlander, Underdog and Gumbi on this one.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 1:11:50 PM

Guys, I can understand your reaction but have some faith!

Do you really think that Sony would release a machine that is weaker than their competitors? At least wait until you see how the final product performs before you pass judgement. We don't have all the details yet - far from it.

The more I think about this the more optimistic I get. I think this is a GREAT move by Sony:
Think about all the cries from the indie devs regarding publishing their products on the X360. If you haven't read the stories, they have to pay like 400.000 USD just to publish a PATCH to their games. It's insane. Not to mention the restrictions Microsoft put on the devs in order to publish on their platform. They are really, really not happy.

Now, if Sony carry on their current model for PSN over to the next machine, combined with offering a more familiar hardware to develop for, just IMAGINE what this might mean in regards to the support PSN will receive from a host of smaller devs out there. This could really elevate the Playstation brand! And this, my friends, is something that will benefit US.

And then we got the bigger developers that today work in the PC sphere, making great games. Like CD Project and their RPG franchise The Witcher. Who would love to see THOSE games on the PS4? I know I would!

So what I try to say to you all here guys, is don't *only* focus on the negatives. Raise your head, cheer up and see the positives too!

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Underdog15
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:10:53 PM

Oh for sure, Beamboom. I wasn't trying to complain about the rumors. I was just saying what I like about Sony and that whatever they do, they continue to do that. I don't have any worries at all at this point.

One suggestion made here I do think is a good idea, is to try to at least maintain a similar architecture that devs won't have to re-learn. That they can just build from.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 4:00:18 PM

Under,
aha then I understand what you mean. I agree, I too see Sony as a manufacturer of quality goods, being it stereo, computers, smartphones or video cams. I simply take for granted that the PS4 *will* have the edge over the next Xbox. There is a complicated game going on right now, between Sony and Microsoft. Sony don't want to give away too much in regards to the spec before the official unveil.

If the PS4 turns out to be just a cheap second-rate gaming console, dull on arrival, I will be *more* disappointed than the rest around here since I'm this optimistic now.

Time will tell. E3 next year will be the most exciting E3 *ever*!

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Dante399
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 3:07:27 AM
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I should start saving for a very powerful pc that is "NOT affordable" ,for me at least at the moment, to increase the quality of my video gaming hobby.

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 3:52:03 AM

Exactly. How is a very affordable closed box commodity PC going to compete with a average custom gaming rig? Stupid move by Sony.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 4:44:29 AM

How the PS4 can compete with a custom rig? Just like it always has:

- There's still the exclusives to miss out on.

- The simplicity and user friendliness of a console.

- The sleek Sony product design.

- The PSN, trophies, Home, all that makes the Playstation platform from a user perspective will remain.

- You will get much more bang for the bucks. The hardware is subsidized by the software sales. Your PC is not.

- The software is configured and ready off the disc for your exact hardware setup. No configurations. No tweaking. No fiddling about.

If we review the points above we will discover that the arguments are the same as we always would use for choosing a console over PC as gaming rig. A custom gaming rig will always beat a boxed console in the long run - it always has. Nothing new there.

***

For most console owners, in all practical terms the insides of our boxes doesn't really matter. Some will deny this, they like to think it does, but it doesn't.
We just want something that works. As long as it performs well we don't really care what names are found on the chipsets inside.

And those who think it does matter for them will calm down the moment they discover that their multiplat games all of a sudden runs flawlessly on their new PS from day one, and that the exclusives still holds exclusive qualities - just like before.
That is my prediction.

Really, if you want to buy a PC instead then you should have done so a decade ago, cause the arguments for the PC are equally the same as they've always been. Nothing new there either.

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Highlander
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 5:06:12 AM

Come on Beamboom, that's ridiculous and you know it. Name me one PC that was very affordable at launch that was able to keep any level of performance advantage or avoid obsolescence for more than 1 months. In the PC world you're lucky if a hardware generation runs more than 18 months. Over the 6 year life of the PS3 there have been 4 PC iterations (at least). If the PS4 is a commodity x86 design, it won't have any performance edge or advantage at he start and will be obsolete within 18 months. You know that's true, so do I and so does anyone else reading this who has anything more than a passing understanding of PC technology.

If Sony are building an x86 based design and dev kits are with devs already and the thing drops in holiday 2013, that means it will actually be obsolete the day it goes on sale. That my friends is simply insanely stupid. At least the Cell BE based design offered something that PCs are only now overtaking - huge performance on single precision floating point math and an unparalleled ability to process things in parallel or sequence through the SPEs. But, yeah, let's all jump for join because Sony makes a very affordable piece of crap out of commodity parts and stamps a PlayStation logo on it.

A pig is still a pig even if you put some lipstick and eye shadow on it's face.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 5:27:29 AM

You forget one aspect: Optimalization. In the PC world there is a constant race. Bigger, better, more, grander hardware is released on a steady flow, and the hardware setup across all customers is a plethora of variations. That is a huge challenge for the developers. The demand from the high end users stand in stark contrast to the low end users, and as a developer you must cater to all as best as you can.

In the console world it's the exact opposite. There you got *one* fixed setup. You can use ONE machine to test how ALL your customers will experience your software. It eases development and opens up possibilities for optimization PC developers can only dream of - and the timespan to really, really push that particular hardware setup to the max.

This difference is fundamental.

It's so fundamental that the Cell based PS3 along it's entire lifespan has been competing with an X86 based console. And with a very few exceptions the rule is that the performance of the games on the two consoles has been practically equal - with the exceptions usually, and unfortunately, been in the PS3's disfavor.

In regards to the exclusives it's interesting times ahead. The new PS will demonstrate if it was the hardware or the production team and budgets that really made the difference and made the PS exclusives shine. I know what I believe, but this is yet to be demonstrated.

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Knightzane
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 4:06:44 AM
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Gotta love rumors. Whether it be true or not, i know they won't cheat me out of my monies. ps1, ps2, psp, ps3, and the ps vita. Not once have i ever regretted my purchase so whatever they decide to do with the new 'Orbis' i'll stand by it, not as a fanboy but as someone who has never been lied to or disappointed.

If there's no BC i still have my ps3, so i can play my ps3 games on it. I've had my ps2 this entire generation, and during the ps2 days, i had my ps1 the entire generation. I don't see that changing for the next either. I was hoping to fill in some nintendo goodness but once again, their trying to sell me horse excrement. I do hope the ps4 sticks to the 'untapped until next generation motto' though, because i still believe the ps2 had just a bit more to offer. Just as the ps3 still has more to offer.

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___________
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 4:39:29 AM
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i find this by far the hardest to believe.
i mean the specs, everything else meh.
especially AMD, please $ony for the love of god stay 100000 miles away from AMD at all times!
ive had so many issues with them, especially graphics cards and lets just say there notorious for f*cking drivers!

id like to believe ps4 will have.
CPU MUST be cell, one reason for BC, and another reason because of what it offers power wise.
yes its caused allot of problems this gen, mainly lazy developers, but there few and far between and fingers crossed that will be more so next gen.
$ony wont go with another alien architecture simply because they cant afford the costs in doing so, and if they were to do so they would lose allot of third party support.

GPU a revision of the RSX, a RSX 2 if you will.
power wise im hoping for DX11 FULL support, every bell and whistle, 3GBs of dedicated memory and hopefully GTX 670 speeds.
for the same reasons as the cell, BC, it offers allot of power for its price.

RAM id like to see the same as the ps3, XDR 2, a revision of what the ps3 has for the same reasons as the CPU and GPU.
as for specs id like to see minimum 8GBs of dedicated memory for games, and 2GBs for system memory.
that way games have more than they could use, and system has pleanty so we dont have anymore X game chat, or other multitasking issues.
id like to be able to play a game, hit the PS button, open the store, buy a few games, buy some DLC, download a few demos, patch my game, than go back to the system menu play my music, talk to friends, surf the web, than go back to my game.
thats multitasking!

as for storage, $ony needs to ditch EVERY moving part!
no more optical drives, there bulky, cumbersome, unreliable, and create so much heat!
90% of ps3 failures is because of heat, remove the HDD, remove the ODD, and the heat issue is solved!
a good 60% of fat ps3 failures are not actually YLODs, there bluray burns like what happened to my original 60GB baby.
$ony needs to develop flash memory like they use with the vita, but obviously a much higher storage rate.
as for system storage whats wrong with SSDs?
their pretty cheap now, the storage is getting higher and so is their read/write times.

but my number 1 request for the ps4 is a standard, rule, EVERY SINGLE PS4 game MUST support a minimum 7.1 dolby TRUE HD!
it staggers and amazes me how few games these days support above 5.1 dolby digital!
COME ON MOVIES STOPPED USING THAT YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
graphics took such a leap forward this gen, but sound effects really have stood still!
its pathetic how much better the sound effects are on movies, then they are on games!
thats my number 1 request with the ps4, $ony REALLY needs to push developers and say come on guys this is not good enough!
your blowing everyone away with everything, but sound.
so why not bring up that one weak point?

but to be honest seeing how the market is now, how $ony is, and how consumers are, i really cant see the above happening.
i really would not be surprised if the ps4 is more a ps3.5.
and thats really depressing!

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Simcoe
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 10:56:13 AM

If they were to use flash memory cartridges (like the Vita) than please leave extra room so that patches and DLC can be downloaded and stored directly on the cartridge.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:05:28 PM

Quote, "id like to be able to play a game, hit the PS button, open the store, buy a few games, buy some DLC, download a few demos, patch my game, than go back to the system menu play my music, talk to friends, surf the web, than go back to my game.
thats multitasking!"

That's *exactly* what have been demonstrated they can do with this machine.

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Beamboom
Saturday, November 03, 2012 @ 10:11:28 AM

Uhm... But they did. There's nothing to disagree with or thumb down in that post of mine.

"players will now be able to press the PS button mid-game and travel “anywhere” on the system. An example given was buying DLC from the PS Store mid-game then seamlessly returning to play."

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Snaaaake
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 6:14:17 AM
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I'm a tech idiot so I don't know if any of those things are good or bad.

Only thing that's sure to be here is Blu-ray, the jump from DVD is too much that it can last more than a decade.

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T2X
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 6:28:15 AM
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SONY has always prided itself on excellence but, the company as a whole is losing big money. They've already said they're relying more on their games division to make them profit nowadays. Going forward, if they don't make it affordable, they can kiss the profit margins goodbye as people are probably not going to stand there and listen to them say "Next Gen starts when we say it does!" and for $600 dollars. Really, they were kind of arrogant about the price to begin with. And I am a huge fan, and I was a very early adopter as I could see the value in what they were selling. But to make the profits again,I don't see them being able to stand at the press conference this time and tell people that can't afford that much money, "Well, we expect people to work harder to afford our superior product". BTW, they DID say that at one point. I don't know if that mentality will work again. Hopefully the PS4 will be good value for the money. Judging from the past I'm sure it probably will be. Aside from the business side of things, I have no doubt that the product itself will be great. Here's Hoping! And I do hope that they keep BC!

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Jed
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 8:24:31 AM
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Ok, this is probably a stupid question, but is there any way Sony could make a sort of "Cell Processor 2"? Something that is as badass and powerful as we would expect for a next gen console from Sony, but also has similar architecture to the Cell that devs have already come to understand, AND can also handle B/C with PS3 games?

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gumbi
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 9:39:38 AM

Yes. They absolutely could. And they absolutely should. This is what many of us have been pining for since we first started discussing PS4. It just makes sense. One of Sony's biggest problems with the last couple generations was that they introduced an entirely new architecture and developers struggled to learn it. And, pioneering new technology is expensive... really expensive. Two problems Sony would not have if they go for a Cell upgrade. More cores, and a bit faster. Developers would have a familiar environment and it would be affordable, not cheap, but affordable. We don't want cheap, cheap is BS.

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 4:06:14 PM

I like.

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Jed
Sunday, November 04, 2012 @ 6:03:01 PM

Thanks for the info! I thought an A10 was a military jet ;)

My God if I can think of that why can't they???

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StevieRV
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 8:35:24 AM
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as long as it is called the ps4 and not ps orbis, ill be happy

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Ludakriss
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 9:14:45 AM
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That picture of the article. You know? The "concept design".

It gives me such a nerdy boner, it's unreal. It looks so sleek and glossy...

Oh, I'm talkin bout the PS4 concept...not, the boner O_o

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gumbi
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 9:47:48 AM
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The A10 is great, for its price. Because it's cheap.

I don't want a bargain bin gaming PC with Sony branding on it. No thanks Sony, you can have it. It'll be obsolete the day it launches, and good luck squeezing 10 years out of that box.

Before I get too bent out of shape though, I'm just going to ignore this news for what it is, a big fat rumour. That's all there is to it, just nonsense and misdirection. Yep.

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Clamedeus
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:16:57 PM

Agreed.

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Ludakriss
Monday, November 05, 2012 @ 7:22:55 AM

Clamedeus,

Your nickname is too funny.

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Lord carlos
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 10:16:55 AM
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i dont see this happening
Sony spent billion on the cell (bought the factory that makes the chips)
In any case for the ps4 to come out in 2014 we'd get a tech demo at e3 2013 with a full reveal at e3 2014 and launch that november,if we dont get an e3 2013 tech demo then the ps4 won't be out till 2015 (AFTER THE LAST GUARDIAN)

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Lotusflow3r
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 10:24:32 AM
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All this nerd banter!

*sigh*

Just gimmie Sony's brilliant exclusives and i'm set. I learned half way through this gen that graphics and technical performance won't satisfy me over great gameplay...and that's now what i mostly care about.

Anyway, this is a rumour....You'll be in different mindsets when it's officially revealed.

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Excelsior1
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 11:39:00 AM

There is a reason for all this banter...people are down on an A10 chip big time. The PS4 is gonna be as powerful as 3-4 yr old pc? That doesn't sound like Sony at all. It almost feels like Sony has given up. It could be the way this gen has went for them just messed with their heads and they are giving up on having a cutting edge console.

God, I hope these rumors are false for Sony's sake.

Last edited by Excelsior1 on 11/2/2012 11:40:12 AM

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Underdog15
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:12:45 PM

Don't forget it's not just about specs, though. Design and architecture can, as Beamboom pointed out earlier, optimize those specs. How much potential do PC game waste through free use of the resources available?

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Excelsior1
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 5:32:55 PM

That's a fair point but the specs are pretty damn depressing for a Sony console.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 6:25:54 PM

But we don't even know the specs yet? We hardly know *anything* as of now? Could it be we'll find multiple A10s inside? Or special versions? Maybe other creative solutions inside? We don't know!

I mean, if this thing is supposed to handle not only HD also in 3D but the upcoming 4k resolutions... It indicates some capabilities.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 11:26:48 AM
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This is retarded, Sony isn't the pentagon, how hard could it be to get someone on a dev team to let out a little information about the processor by plying them with honeyed wine?

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Simcoe
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 11:27:18 AM
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If they are switching to an A10 chip, then the current plan of a 10 year life cycle is probably dead. Why produce a console every 6 or 7 years, when producing one in half that time would be twice a profitable over that same time-span. Why not?! It's what Apple does every 12-18 months.

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wackazoa
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 11:40:22 AM

Ah Apple..... Ive still got my Iphone 3GS and my $50 Ipod shuffle. Best products they ever made.

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Simcoe
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:27:42 PM

My 8.5 year-old Samsung cell phone just won't die! Even the battery works fine!

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wackazoa
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 11:38:41 AM
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I guess it depends on the perspective of "affordable". Compared to a nice $2000 gaming computer, a $500 to $600 console is affordable. So I would like to know how Sony is going to play this. It will be interesting Im sure.

And lets not forget, it's all about the money. If Sony can just rebrand thier PS3 and make a ton, Im sure they would. It doesnt matter if the new PS4 is leaps and bounds more powerful than the Xbox whatever, if it doesnt outsell MS then it's not good for the company.

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Shatterday
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 11:41:54 AM
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I'm not going to pretend that I follow all of the PS4 rumors, but what is discussed here seems pretty conservative. I feel like Sony has really pushed the envelope in the past as far as features and capabilities. I wouldn't be surprised if they hop on 8K UHDTV or 4K UHDTV with promises of 3D implementations for both. 3D 8K UHDTV and PS4 bundle? My pockets aren't that deep, but the idea is dope.

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Huey
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:32:42 PM
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Hey World, now would be the time for Sega to drop a bomb on the gaming world. "We're back", and we have what you are looking for! That would get some attention.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 12:56:32 PM

They could potentially grab Nintendo fans away by exploiting the weakness of the Wii U's gimmick and creating a class of arcade gamers within the casual community.

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tes37
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 2:28:19 PM
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If Sony produces a PC based playstation, then they can count me out. I will not support anyone who views my past business with them as irrelevant.

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THEVERDIN
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 5:43:19 PM
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I just wonder if there will still be exclusives because the hardware will basically be the same across systems.

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Beamboom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 6:15:57 PM

There will still be exclusives, and even though the hardware is based on the same architecture there will still be differences. You will still not be able to run a PS4 game on a PC or a X720, and vice versa. It will be a lot easier to develop multiplats though.

But seriously, this architecture change is really being overrated in regards to how similar the different platforms then will become. There *will* be differences. :)

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bruno_py
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 6:10:57 PM
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Or maybe Sony is just leaking fake infos on purpose to distract... and when the day of unveiling arrives KABOOM! ps4, the first quantum videogame console ever... cell powered, FFVII HD remake as launch title included.

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PS9
Saturday, November 03, 2012 @ 9:16:49 AM
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Highlander,

I think the A10 will only be the CPU portion; if these articles are any indication, there will be other processors stuffed in there, like a discrete GPU to power 1080P 60FPS/3D and 4K Bluray playback:

http://mandetech.com/2012/01/10/sony-masaaki-tsuruta-interview/
http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2011/12/maasaki-tsu-interview.cfm

Also, look at the post here by Beyond 3D member "Cyan", which discusses how the GPU piece will work; it will use an "interposer" to give the GPU a 512BIT wide path to memory for the bandwidth needed to drive the 3D rendering:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=31379&page=604

So the pieces are really starting to come together now:

* Whereas PS3 focused more on computation, PS4 will be all about the graphics. Remember that a large portion of CELL's potential was used to assist RSX in rendering tasks in many AAA titles (among other things, of course).

* The APU is useful because it will offer excellent CPU-based FPU acceleration for things like AI without having to drastically change your code or revert to complex, hardware-specific coding methods (think Naughty Dog and CELL). This video explains this advantage beautifully:

http://www.streamcomputing.eu/knowledge/what-is/opencl/

* Probably 8GB of RAM, minimum 4GB (still good)

I also see hints of additions to the controller scheme, like haptics and a mention of some additional DSP processors, but I'm not sure what role they will play- maybe backwards compatibility and/or sound processing? But in the end, couldn't we agree this is looking rather powerful- x86-based or not? All they would have to do is customize the A10 to emphasize those elements they deem important to gaming. Like Beamboom said, let's give SONY a chance- all indications are that we will be quite surprised with this machine.

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Ludakriss
Monday, November 05, 2012 @ 9:24:20 AM

Thank you for sharing the links, man/lady.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure that, to date, this interview reveals more than any of these speculations or rumors that are floating round the gaming community.

Peace.

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Highlander
Monday, November 05, 2012 @ 1:31:57 PM

I know about all of that PS9, it doesn't change my views about an x86 PlayStation. I absolutely hate the idea of an x86 based playstation, not least because the x86 architecture is such garbage. And yea, I am well aware that all x86 processors today are not actually x86 processors under the covers but rather a collection of execution units running native microcode driven by a instruction decoder that is programed to take the x86 ISA and dispatch the micro-ops that are required using the actual CPU instructions - it's been that way since before Pentium.

But seriously, The Cell architecture is very high bandwidth, very high performance, the enhanced cell designs have taken that further in so many ways. It's a shame to see it die. The Cell was supposed to handle the duties of the GPU in the PS3 originally, RSX was not part of the original system concept or design. To be honest I think Sony/Ken Kutaragi originally had multiple CellBE processors in mind, but the difficulties in producing them at an acceptable yield and with acceptable power consumption killed that idea early on and Sony was forced to re-think and add a GPU.

As far as the 512bit bus is concerned, that's a good idea, but then most modern GPUs have buses that wide already, so it's really not a great leap to see it there. The mention of other support chips is promising in that Sony has the rights to, and manufacturing plant for the SPURS co-processor. Including a SPURs on a wide enough bus would proviode the SPUs needed for emulating a CellBE.

Backwards compatibility is an issue to me for three reasons. 1) If I buy a PS4 (which personally I am unlikely to do on the current rumors) I don't want to have a PS2 and PS3 sitting there as well in order to play any of my older games. 2) the launch library of PS4 will be limited, regardless of how good it is, it will be limited, and many games will still come on PS3. Again, I don't want to have to keep a PS3 sitting there in addition to the PS2 and PS4. 3) PSN/Home. All the PSN games and Home are online services that will continue once PS4 lands. For any PS Plus subscriber or Home user, it's very important, if not mandatory that all the PSN/Home content that they have under the Plus or Home services continues to work. If not this will be a barrier to players transitioning from PS3 to PS4.

Backwards compatibility has far greater reach than in previous generations because of this 'gaming as a service' element of the current generation.

Any PS4 hardware you can come up with right now ought to be capable of emulating a PS2 in software, which should mean that PS4 will allow PS2 game discs to be used in addition to the PSN based PS2 games - much like the PS3 will play the PS1 discs if you have them. Though most people seem to want to re-purchase their favorites from PS1 on PSN - presumably their disc is lost or broken, or they don't want to risk using it. I could see the same logic applying to PS2 games on PS4.

Backwards compatibility is a must - if only for anything available via Home and PS Plus. Telling PS Plus customers that their content won't work on PS4 or that they will have to wait for a new version to be made (if it will be made) or worse still that they must repurchase their content for PS4 would be a suicidally stupid move for Sony to make. The consumer revolt would be extreme.

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Beamboom
Saturday, November 03, 2012 @ 11:05:58 AM
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Oh well. I'll not let any of you guys curb my enthusiasm. I believe in Sonys engineers.

I am confident they are capable of engineering a better x86 based console than Microsoft. And there's plenty of room for creative solutions within the x86 framework. Plenty, I say.

Sure, if they deliver a mediocre machine we all got every right to be disappointed. But we don't KNOW this yet. It's far too early to say.

Last edited by Beamboom on 11/3/2012 11:19:36 AM

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ethird1
Sunday, November 04, 2012 @ 8:31:22 AM
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I am getting ready to buy a PS3 500 GB so I can put all my psn games on it. I just ran out of room with my measly 80 GB.

I was going to wait a few years for the new ps4. But if it is coming out at 299 or close to it, I might get it on day one.

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Beamboom
Sunday, November 04, 2012 @ 10:13:27 AM

Why not just buy a new hard drive? You don't need a complete machine. It's easy to swap, it's explained in the manual, step by step.

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ethird1
Tuesday, November 06, 2012 @ 6:04:13 AM

First off ... BECAUSE I WANT A SHINY NEW PS3 THANK YOU IF YOU PLEASE!!! Well, that and I want to use my old ps3 for blu ray movies while my new ps3 is for games and games alone!

THANK YOU IF YOU PLEASE!

End of Line.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, November 06, 2012 @ 9:23:04 AM

Uhm... Ok. Sorry for disrupting... Or something. :D

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MasterGT
Monday, November 05, 2012 @ 3:31:07 PM
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Apple stopped using relatively segregated chips to go with mainstream ones. Didn't hurt them at all...

Until you can see what the real new console to do, just relax and wait for real info.

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