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Xbox One Beats PS4 On Black Friday: The Casuals Come Out

I've been saying it for months. This was bound to happen.

My contention has always been as follows- If you're a casual gamer in the US, you are far more likely to own an Xbox than a PlayStation. Xbox is the brand you see most often; it's constantly in your face and as you don't really follow game news, you basically just buy the most popular system, which is invariably the Xbox.

This is not a blanket statement. This does not mean that only hardcore gamers buy PlayStation and only casual gamers buy Xbox. Of course that isn't true. It merely says that if you're the type of person who casually gets into video games here and there, you've probably never heard of Uncharted, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, etc. You have, however, heard of Halo and Gears of War. Now, the two consuming groups - avid/die-hard vs. casual - act very differently. One group pre-orders and anxiously anticipates; another waits to see if one will be available on the shelf, and maybe they'll buy it. They're not drooling over it, anyway.

Now, everyone wanted to believe that the PlayStation 4 would dominate the Xbox One. Early polls and surveys gave Sony's system a gigantic advantage, of even 10:1 in some instances. Obviously, the PS4 had no chance of outselling the Xbox One by such a ratio and why? Because who are the majority of participants in such polls? Right, hardcore. The casuals don't care. They're not participating in those polls. But, as analytics firm InfoScout indicates, the casuals are definitely out there in droves, and they've responded on Black Friday:

Xbox One was the best-selling console at Wal-Mart and Target on Black Friday, and it really wasn't even close. 31% of all console sales went to the Xbox One, while the PS4 only nabbed 15%. That's more than double in favor of Microsoft's console. Granted, there was more availability; the PS4 wasn't quite as available at retailers, and I acknowledge that. But in truth, it's almost irrelevant because just because the Xbox One is available doesn't mean it has to sell; in fact, it did sell and it sold very well.

And that's because the casual gamers were out with the shoppers on Black Friday and responded to the extra systems. They didn't pre-order because they didn't really care enough and they inevitably went home with the Xbox One. I seriously doubt they even gave the PS4 a second look, despite the $100 price difference. Casuals own this market now, as further evidence of that can be taken from the top software sales on Black Friday:

  • Call of Duty: Ghosts
  • Disney Infinity
  • Skylanders: SWAP Force
  • Grand Theft Auto V
  • Madden NFL 25
  • Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
  • Batman: Arkham Origins
  • NBA 2K14
  • Lego: Marvel Super Heroes
  • Assassin's Creed: Revelations

You couldn't make a more mainstream list. It's not ironic that when the mainstream titles start to sell, the Xbox brand experiences a surge in sales. I will repeat myself again: In many instances, the Xbox One is a mainstream/casual product in the US, while the PS4 is mainly for hardcore players. That's precisely why I said PS4 needed to have a significant lead in the pre-order department if Sony even wanted to be competitive with Microsoft this holiday season. Yep, because the hardcore pre-order, the casuals don't, and when the two systems are sitting on store shelves, the casual consumer is, more often than not, walking out with the Xbox One.

Again, let me remind everyone that I'm speaking solely about the US market. I know the situation is completely different in other territories.

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, xbox one, ps4 sales, xbox one sales

12/2/2013 9:52:42 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (84 posts)

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:34:02 PM
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Oh, and by the way, Target and Wal-Mart are like the unofficial homes of generic, mainstream shoppers. Hardcore gamers may not be as likely to buy their stuff there; online or GameStop seems to be far more likely.

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Temjin001
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:53:48 PM

those desperate to get a hot new next-gen console will go anywhere and check everywhere to get their system.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 2:50:42 AM

That's funny you mention that given that I mostly buy my gaming products from Target if not Amazon. XD

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:42:10 AM

it's no surprise either that the casual king Nintendo with it's Wii has had it's phenomenal success translate right over with the Wii U….. errr wait.

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Nynja
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 9:41:32 AM

I didn't pre-order my PS4 but was still able to nab one on release day. I called about 30 different stores to get a stock count for non-preorders. Nearly every BestBuy and Gamestop already had lines and were all spoken for. This was not the case for Walmart, Kmart, Target, and Toys R Us.

I lucked out by being first in line at Target for store opening at 8am on release day. That's beauty of waiting in line from 4am. Best part was the buy 2 games get 1 free deal.

When I don't pre-order a hot product and want it on release day, I generally will visit Target, Kmart, Toys R Us, and Walmart first. Doesn't work every time, but I tend to get what I want most of the time.

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Temjin001
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:38:06 PM
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i'd sooner believer this is a supply and demand scenario. with both consoles being in high demand and he who ships the most, sells the most.

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jdt1981
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 12:56:57 AM

I agree, right now it's a feeding frenzy with allot of people who want a next gen. console for the holidays, if they're at the store and there are xbones and no PS4's guess what they're be buying...

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 9:33:38 AM

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/440880/xbox-one-dominated-black-friday-sales-according-to-analyst/

"Their [Microsoft's] success can be largely attributed to limited availability of the PS4 in addition to Walmart discounting the Xbox 360 down to $99 for Black Friday,"



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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:13:58 AM

Temjin, do you honestly believe the PS4 would've outsold the Xbox One had there been more available? We're talking about a 2:1 ratio in those results, and by the way, the Xbox One is sold out everywhere near me.

Just because it's slightly more available doesn't mean the shelves are loaded.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:27:32 AM

yes, ben.
face it. you're an ms-phoebe

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:28:57 AM

A what now?

I owned both Xboxes, so what sort of "phobe" am I?

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:30:00 AM

ben you're always afraid of what ms can do. believe as you may with your whole casual-conjecture.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:38:19 AM

and um.. the link I posted suggests the same as I concerning the sell through disparity.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:41:39 AM

I'm "afraid" of what they can do? What can they do?

They've got the mainstream masses in their back pocket in this country. That's not really anything but fact. It doesn't bother me; it's just the way things are.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:57:40 AM

sorry ben, but i've been a reader here for a while and i have you pegged as someone who believes MS has some sort of secret sauce at being successful with xbox no matter how the landscape looks. don't ask me to produce or name "even once" when you've done that, as I know that's your style. just accept that it's something that happened over months of reading your opinion and outlook on next-gen matters. so whether you accept that or not it's just how i feel. this article, despite what seems more obvious to me and it would appear many others, confirms this.

really, we can revisit this with next year's Black Friday. something that resides outside of a launch window where Black Friday insanity isn't mingled with launch window insanity. then will i be willing to entertain opinions explaining results that go beyond supply and demand.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 3:48:22 PM

After seven years of dominating this country, by a 2-1 or even 3-1 ratio, my position is perfectly logical. Microsoft helped to bring the industry into mainstream popularity in this country, and most mainstreamers in the US continue to associate Xbox with video games.

Seven years, Temjin. Longer than the PS2 held sway. Longer than any other company since Nintendo in the 80s. I have ample reason to believe that the mainstream masses will continue to support Xbox, as they have for a while now. You, on the other hand, apparently just think that saying, "Nah, it isn't true" is somehow proof enough that the PS4 will win in this country.

I have years and years of statistics on my side. What do you have?

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 7:12:13 PM

Ben I'll tell you what I don't have. Your stubborn unwavering pride.
maybe you should take a look at some broader stats big guy. If you're willing to believe the XO will become the first most expensive casual dominating console in history. Go right ahead. That's logical.
But I've waisted enough energy on this. So please. Go ahead, believe as you may with your database of stats and profound theories

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 9:06:35 PM

See, instead of being all butthurt over nothing, you should've at least attempted to explain why I'm just an idiot who entertains bizarre Microsoft superiority theories.

All you're doing is admitting that all the stats are on my side, that you have no evidence of your own, and then trying to make me sound like the bad guy.

Yeah, that doesn't work. It's not my fault that you're so blinded with Sony bias that you can't even acknowledge the obvious stranglehold Microsoft has had on the US market (which every single analyst has recognized) for the past seven or eight years.

Just because you don't LIKE it doesn't change the facts. This has nothing to do with pride. If you could just rationally state your position without making personal claims against me, I'd be more than willing to listen. You haven't yet. I countered your argument about supply and demand already.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:27:51 PM

lol oh man. sorry, said i wasn't going to have anything more to say but I'm not perfect and can't help to try set your straight… fruitless I know.

Ben. you can read right? (as you so aptly put it to a user beneath us on this page) what was my initial post?
what you believe I'm butt hurt over sooner believing this was a supply and demand issue that I later provided evidence from an analyst to support myself.
where's the Sony bias? no where. in your head. genius.

stop for second ben.
let's talk stats.
who was the US pole position leader in the 80's?
what about the 90's?
what happened between the PS2 to the PS3? what were the related issues that caused the trade up of leadership?
the facts pal. the fact is this. Just because MS became a US leader for the 360 doesn't mean they'll have their 2:1 ratio win for this next gen.
man, I'm literally laughing at your response because of how asinine it is to what has just transpired.
please. entertain me some more. this has been your worst debate in memory and I'm amazed by how low it's going as you stumble over yourself.




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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:39:13 PM

*taps Ben's ban hammer*
"you want to use this, don't you?
take your Administrator weapon and strike me down with all of your hatred and sooner you'll travel to the dark side of the force" =p

sorry had to reference Star Wars there. it just seems so fitting

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Fabi
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:43:55 PM
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I think you're jumping the gun on this one... it was a tiny survey of 1,500 people who bought consoles.

Like Temjin said, it has more to do with supply and demand. One area can differ from another drastically. In my area, it was impossible to get a PS4 and it still is. Xbones were still in stock.

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Temjin001
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 11:08:18 PM

it's possible that the PS4's launch stock exhausted so it was crippled for Black Friday, whereas perhaps the X0 had left over launch stock that eventually moved during the Black Friday craze.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 1:23:28 AM

I absolutely guarantee you that Xbox One outsold the PS4 in the US on Black Friday, small poll or not.

There's a reason for that.

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slow and smart
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 3:47:35 AM

I agree with Temjin and Fabi,this has all to do with supply,people want a gamingconsole,PS4 is the hottest for sure and is sold out,so then they buy xboxone because they don't want to go home empty handed,no big deal really

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Fabi
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 4:04:06 AM

You can guarantee all you want Ben, but I think it just has to do with low supplies. I'm not sure if casual gamers are willing to drop $600 for a console and a game. I think if anything, the casual gamers who can live without playing Halo or Forza will buy a PS4 because it's $100 cheaper.

Once again though, I was never disputing whether the Xbone beat out the PS4 during black Friday, I was saying you were jumping the gun on all your reasoning about casual gamers and such.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:15:35 AM

I know this response, and any response related to a new Xbox, is fueled by mainstream consumers more than a response to PlayStation. In this country, anyway. That's what I know.

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deadline
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:45:19 PM
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I really think these numbers are completely meaningless. It has been nearly impossible to buy a PS4 since launch date if you didn't have it pre-ordered. If it was widely available, who knows how many it would have sold?

In fact, I think a lot of people who were frustrated at not finding a PS4 settled for Xbox instead, knowing they would eventually buy both anyway.

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kraygen
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:47:54 PM
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I'd like to point out though, that this poll was based on 83,000 receipts. Small poll for such a large crowd if you ask me.

Not to mention that ps4's were mostly already sold out anyway.

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saintaqua
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:50:07 PM
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No, this time I have to disagree. Every single store for miles around is sold out of PS4 while several have more than one Xbox One in stock. I know because of my job.
Xbox has way more systems to sell but the majority of requests...10 to 1 are for PS4.
Sony really should have had better stock, I think they would have tripled Xbox sales.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:52:57 PM
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I think Ben's analysis is pretty accurate, however it won't matter much in the long run. Xbox will hit well with casuals over the holidays, but as with the Wii people will quickly realize they aren't using any of the "all-in-one" features of the system and the honeymoon will wear off because word of mouth won't be so good as the consoles collect dust and worldwide sales of PS4 overwhelm US sales of X720p.

In short, they won't have the momentum to be as big of a player this generation.

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Temjin001
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:59:59 PM

I see I won't have to pluck any down from my phoenix, World. you must be feeling better ;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 11:06:13 PM

I think so, as I get to the end of my course of superantibiotics I feel on the mend. Next I have to treat a very painful herniated disc though. I was not able to be thankful for my health this past Thanksgiving.

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xenris
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:11:33 AM

Be thankful for whatever health you are in. You can walk, breath, and talk with some rad people on PSXextreme :)

I was out of commission for 5 years and had to learn to be thankful for the little things. Believe it or not it really helps with the healing process.

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Temjin001
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 10:59:08 PM
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so ummm. AC Revelations made the top sales list? was it selling for $1 or something somewhere?

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Brighat
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 11:01:09 PM
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The Microsoft fanboys are treating this as great news but it really isn't. PS4s are very difficult to come by at this time. Lots of stores are still sold out. On the other hand, plenty of Xbox Ones. We know they were going to get their sales and they only sold better numbers because finding an Xbox One was much easier than a PS4. I really doubt any casual would pay $499 for a console; it's too high for them. Probably hardcores who wanted to wait for the holidays to buy their Ones.

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Temjin001
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 11:29:14 PM
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if anyone wants to hook a Steam temjin001 brother up, you can gift me Far Cry 3 for $7.49 right now =)


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Killa Tequilla
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 1:23:36 AM

NO! Suffer.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:46:39 AM

I',m so, sooooo close to buy it on Steam now. I already got it for the PS3 but never got to play it.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:59:21 AM

yah, it's an insane deal and I know FC3 looks like a champ on PC. i'm just broke until next year so i'll have to wait.

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PlatformGamerNZ
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 11:49:56 PM
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yeah well i wudn't surprise me but yeah i think the ps4 will pull out a lead and yes i think even though the xbox brand is big the casuals will like a cheaper console once they become more readily avalible hint ps4 cough cough.

happy gaming =)

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PC_Max
Monday, December 02, 2013 @ 11:55:36 PM
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Okay, I am a Canuck and the vile Black Friday.... craze has slowly made its way, be it smaller, in to Canada.

BUT being that its a SALE day, does that not infer the consoles were on sale at a discounted price or at the least, bundled with software? Maybe the Xbox was a better price deal? I don't know.

I think would think most of the Black Friday shoppers just buy what they think is a good deal regardless of the brand. I maybe wrong.

Regardless, I think Sony has gotten off on a better footing this time round. Now its the games that will make it.

I could careless who dominates the market if one of them can. I care about what system give me, moi, myself and I the entertainment value. That would be... um... Sony!

Whatever your choices, enjoy!

Keep playing!

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 12:54:09 AM
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I'm pretty sure that in general (there are obviously some exceptions in certain regions and stores) both are completely sold-out. So I tend to think that the console that had more stock sold more.

The Xbox One's second big shipment to retailers would have happened right around then (2nd week of availability). And plenty of retailers seemed to hold back launch units for Black Friday.

While most of the PS4s manufactured since the initial launch shipment would have been allocated for that console's European launch that same day.

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Nas Is Like
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 1:26:47 AM
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Let the casuals stick with XBone. I don't mind.

Sales aren't everything, after all.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 2:55:13 AM

Pft, they are to a company trying to profit from their product.

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karneli lll
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 8:08:32 AM

I agree. The ps3 was last in sales figures for a while but there were still very impressive games.

What boils my blood is these casuals that have made COD the ideal model for a lot of developers.

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slow and smart
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 8:55:12 AM

@ karneli lll:right on the spot,THIS is what happened the last years with a lot of games,way to much action and then with wow graphics,the gameplay is to shallow.
I don't mind such games,but there a to much going this route

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 2:53:57 AM
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I wonder if this is a result of MS being able to meet defend more than Sony? As I've mentioned I haven't seen a single PS4 on the shelf anywhere but many Xbones. But today I went to Target and noticed they were sold out of both.

Also, wasn't that survey you got the Target and Walmart info from only take into account what people were interested in rather rather actual sales figures?

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 3:25:09 AM
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Well, I read in IGN that the PS4 is the fastest selling console in the UK, in other word, record broken.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:19:10 AM

That's the UK. Totally different.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 4:05:26 AM
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I think you are far too quick on jumping to conclusions here. In addition to stock status obviously being of importance the PS4 launched a week earlier, that might play a role too. And not only "casual" players buy the mainstream titles. Everyone does. That's why they are mainstream.

I'd wait with drawing any conclusions until the sales numbers for 2013 (ergo nov/dec) are here.


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:16:50 AM

You do that. And when the PS4 and Xbox One end up about even, despite all the blustering about how the PS4 will just totally rout the Xbox One leading up to the launch, and despite the much higher tally of pre-orders for PS4, my theory will be proven again.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 12:23:24 PM

So if the PS4 achieve a *remarkable* increment in market share up to an even split with Xbox from being severly beaten for almost a decade in the US, that proves what theory of yours again?

That "casual gamers flock to the Xbox no matter what"? With prime evidence being that COD, AC and GTA sells well? Man, you're quite the character at times. :)


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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 3:52:42 PM

Of course it proves the theory. I already said a dozen times that it'd be a huge win for Sony if they caught back up in this country. You were the one who honestly believed the polls that said the PS4 would outsell the Xbox One by like an 8:1 ratio. Are you seeing that, Beamboom? Are you even seeing that in your neck of the woods?

I'm telling you now what I told you before: There's no way that happens and obviously, it didn't. What I said would happen happened; I said despite all the freak-outs about how the PS4 would kill the Xbox One, the two systems would end up being very close. That's true so far. On the flip side, what you said would happen wasn't even close. Unless I'm missing something...?

And I don't get the software part. Of course those games sell well. They're mainstream titles. Saying that both hardcore and casual gamers have them means nothing. What matters is that casual gamers tend to ONLY have such games. Do casuals own Demon's Souls? No, I didn't think so.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 5:03:40 AM

No I've *never* taken those polls literary. It's only you who'd argued against such a literal interpretation of those results.
Oh man, can you really not remember this? I've told you time and again to NOT take the polls literary. If you don't remember that then your brain must be made out of pure teflon!

This is exactly like all those discussions where no matter what I say you always return to imagine I believe ALL games should be completely open world. It's actually starting to worry me. You seem to be completely unable to adjust any initial impression you build of something.

Seriously, if you in your other sides of life too hear that people try to tell you something but it just don't stick, I'd go and do a check if there is something. Cause it's starting to be very symptomatic.
I wish you the best, bro.


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Gamer46
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 4:57:37 AM
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Yup, if this doesn't prove the stupidity of North Americans I don't know what does. And I don't want to hear about reversals by MS or anything other crap. With what MS initially tried to pull it deserves to finish dead last, by a longshot, on that alone. Lets not even mention its $100 more than the most powerful console on the market. This sickens me and I'm not even an Xbox hater. I just don't like seeing a company get undeserved succes. Just like Sony needed a wake up call from 2006-2009, MS needs one now. Instead what do dumba$$ North Americans do? Continue to support a brand even after the company making it flat out told them 'we're going to screw you.' It what it is I guess. I fully expect Xbox will dominate in NA again, and it won't even be close. Hopefully Europe and Japan can make up for this idiotic market.

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squibbfire
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 8:28:34 AM

Actually americans seems to be going for the ps4...which is the better buy. They also started going to the ps3 when it was the better buy.

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Ninja Face
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 7:35:50 AM
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Its funny that you say "hardcore gamers" play PlayStation when the most used console of the major league gaming is the Xbox. I guess casual gamers have what it takes to be a pro? Sony fan boys make me sick. No respect for other consoles or other preferenced gamers.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 7:42:21 AM

No real fanboys respect other platforms. It's not unique for Sonys boys.



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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:09:40 AM

Major League Gaming. Hilarious.

Thanks. I needed a laugh.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 1:42:10 PM

lol MLG... if anything, it makes gamers look desperate. :p

Ninja face, you don't come here often, do you?

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Ninja Face
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 7:39:34 AM
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This article proves that you guys just can't take a loss. So what of one does better in the end? I buy all consoles of all company's to play all the exclusives. I'm a hardcore gamer. Your just a butthurt Sony fanboy. I hope you lose your job writing articles. Because this is offensive to all true gamers

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karneli lll
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 8:15:30 AM

That's it little fella, get it out, get it all out.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:18:15 AM

Nobody cares what outsells what. I don't care if the PS4 sold 10 and the Xbox One sold a billion. We're merely addressing the different demographics for each brand.

If you can't read, that's your problem.

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Knightzane
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 1:58:01 PM

Lol. Glad I decided to read everyone's comments. You ser are amazing. When I read "MLG" I laughed. No hardcore gamer would ever think to call him/herself something so stupid. The call of duty kids however love to. I've also seen people call themselves that on Dark Souls as well. Its a term not used to describe how awesome you are but how shallow and bad you are at anything that doesn't have auto-aim/aim assist.

Hoping Ben loses his job is mean too. No self respecting investor would withdraw because someone has a shoddy opinion on something. So maybe you should crawl back into bed, since bedtime is around 10:30 I bet, and leave the internet alone for a few days alright kid? #MLG420noscope69hardcoretrickshot

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 3:14:28 PM

". Because this is offensive to all true gamers"

PUAHAHAHAHA! Pipe down and go play your sub HD bro shooters.

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Masszt3r
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 4:22:56 PM

Don't feed the troll.

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karneli lll
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 7:56:59 AM
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I believe that. There were more xbox ones available because it didn't sell as well as the ps4 at launch.

Casuals will always opt for the cheaper value; as soon as the ps4 can be picked off the shelves they will come in droves. For some reason i keep picturing casuals as zombies.

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squibbfire
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 8:09:47 AM
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Well duh...everyone is out of stock of PS3s!!!!!!

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wackazoa
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:03:44 AM
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What does it matter if Xbox outsells the PS4? Im being serious. Does Sony decide to hang it up if the cant outsell the Xbox? Have I missed something, since I dont watch conferences, where they said this is their last effort to beat microsoft?

Looking at the list, I see that 5 of those games can be looked at as the best of their genre, 3 arguably the best out there.(GTA,COD,NBA 2K) Another 3 seemed gear towards children.(My nephew loves the skylanders, has all the toys and dvd's.) 2 happen to be new games in widely bought franchises.(AC4 and Batman) So I dont see what the list proves one way or another.

HOWEVER..... what the hell is AC:Revelations doing on there??????? That game came out 3 years ago.

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akmdpc
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:13:06 AM
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I don't trust this company or its analysis. Matt Peckham wrote a good article on the Time website saying he didn't trust their methods. Personally, I believe the PS3 Holiday bundle, which included newer games The Last of Us and Arkham Origins, was more sought after than the 360 bundle which had Tomb Raider and Halo 4. I wasn't in stores on Friday, but at least online, the 360 bundle was available all day while the PS3 seemed to sell out in minutes. However, if MS had more 360's available then they'll sell more.

Also, I don't see BF4 anywhere on that list but CoD: Modern Warfare made it at 16, beating out The Last of Us, KZ: Shadowfall, and the new Zelda? That doesn't add up.

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Knightzane
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 1:46:00 PM
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The walmarts ear me sold out of ps4 midnight. Gamestop sold out of every ps4 controller and game as did walmart. And as much of a playstation as I am, I am not spending 650$+ for a second ps4 on the interwebz.

I can assure you not very many parents would either. They go to the store on black friday, want to get little timmy or jimmy a ps4. The store's already sold out of them. So they pick up the other big name, xbox.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 2:00:27 PM
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I haven't posted here in ages. But I have to agree with mostly everyone in this thread but Ben. I'm not arguing against Ben's supposition of Microsoft's dominance of the casual crowd because that is his opinion.

I, however, want to point out to Ben that as someone who has friends who work at several different Gamestops I know for a fact the stores received a two-to-one ratio in favor of the Xbox One, so 50 XBones to 25 PS4s, etc...

It is also my understanding that PS4s sold out within the first hour of the stores' midnight openings but they had Xbox Ones late into the day, maybe even through the weekend.

They also told me they keep getting calls and people coming in off the street looking for PS4s. At a couple of different stores while I was visting them I witnessed this as they kept telling people on the phone and at the counter they were out of PS4s.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 3:54:59 PM

So? The Xbox One STILL HAS TO SELL. Just because stores have them to sell doesn't automatically mean they will, unless there are consumers to buy them.

It'd be one thing if stores were flush with Xbox Ones they couldn't sell. But that really isn't the case at all.

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jdt1981
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:51:10 PM

@Ben

Everyone should've realized that both the PS4 and Xbone would sell like hotcakes initially. So yes, it does come down to supply. In 2013 and early 2014 whichever console wins the sales battle will come down to which company does a better job supplying stores. The only thing the numbers in your article proves to me is that there were more Xbones available at stores on black Friday and nothing more.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 7:06:52 AM

Ben, I believe the point they try to make is that as long as they are sold out we don't know how much they *could* sell. Let's say we had an unlimited stock of both platforms. If then the PS4 would sell 5 million and the Xbox 2 mill, it doesn't really say much if both are sold out if the stock were just 1.5 mill for both. It only hides the real numbers.

I think that is the point they are making (with completely made up numbers in my example of course). :)

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Orvisman
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 3:36:49 PM

Absolutely, Ben, my point is that the PS4 probably would have sold more on Black Friday and throughout the weekend if there were more PS4 stock available... at least that is what I surmise from people I know who work retail in my area.

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telly
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 3:49:58 PM
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Late to the party on this one, so I'll just quickly say there is quite a bit more demand than supply for both consoles at this point, and that I just don't think we're going to get an accurate picture of which is truly more in demand overall until at least a month or two from now, when both console makers have enough systems shipped to meet whatever consumer demand is for each.

That said, I'm blown away by the momentum in Sony's favor. The sales, the buzz, the superior graphics, $100 less, and none of the heavy hitters even announced yet. That's a tough combination to beat.

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SASSYGIRL82
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 5:06:11 PM
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But the fact is e1 of the ps4s that were available 2 purchase sold n several xboxs remain n ppl were tryn 2 get ps4s but none remained so this only means sony had less consoles availanle than M$ n nothing more not that ppl perfer xbone over ps4 i saw several ppl ask 4 ps4s n were told they was sold out n im sure some frustrated ppl turned n got xbones 4 christmas because no ps4s were 2 be had

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slugga_status
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 7:34:47 PM
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Just from what I've seen and heard Id say this is slightly off base. PS4s have been sold out everywhere. With few coming in and going out the door. However, there were xbox ones available well after launch. Almost every retailer in my city had and still have plenty available. In New York city, best buy and Wal Mart had many day 1 additions available. Plus with reports last week about more xbox ones being speed solely for black Friday. Just from what I've seen, it's a very likely possibility this was due to supply and demand than casual gamers buying xbox one as the article states

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SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 8:07:20 PM
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Here's the problem I think with this topic. People are using different definitions for the word "casual". Commenters are a bit incredulous at Ben's assertion that casual gamers are leading the way for Xbox One's "Black Friday win". I think the problem is the word "casual". Commenters are seeing that word and thinking about people who primarily play the easy-to-pick-up-and-put-down Facebook games, Wii games, and Iphone games (which is the more accepted definition of "casual"). Where Ben is using it as a synonym for "mainstream" (a reasonable, if less popular and a wee-bit condescending, definition of the term). Because that's what the difference between Sony and Microsoft really is in America, Microsoft aims for big mainstream titles, Sony focuses on more niche software. Those titles you listed off aren't "casual games" those are core titles. They're just big mainstream releases that have reached a larger mass-market consciousness (through popularity, marketing, and quality). I don't think people would have as much trouble accepting the argument that the more mainstream buyers (and parents) would choose Xbox over PS4. But "casual gamers" don't buy $500 machines for Call of Duty.

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slugga_status
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:10:15 PM

I think you summed that up perfectly for those who are stuck on the "casual" label.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 5:16:42 AM

Good post, Shadow. The (mis)use of the word "casual" is much of the flamebait here.

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smileys_007
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 5:56:47 AM
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I don't believe that Xbox One is more of a mainstream casual product in the US.. It's just that there ARE MORE Xbox fans in the US so that's why it beat PS4 in terms of sales last Black Friday..

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Id00urmomma
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 4:01:05 PM
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Playstation was number 1 in America for years, the PS One destroyed Nintendo and Sega, so did the PS Two, remember the very short lived Dreamcast... It's true that the casual gamer who started with Xbox will continue to be brand loyal and I feel some people buy them because MS is an American company, but over all the course that Playstation is steadfast to maintain is the core gamer, this is the reason world-wide sales for Playstation will be much much higher than XBone. But ultimately the price difference and the difference in privacy should be enough to eventually swing the balance, even in America, to Playstation. Also figure in the problems at release, XBone has way more problems with their OS and launch product than PS and the initial negative press from the PS release problems pail in comparison, but black Friday sales were only figuring in the PS problems, not the XBones, that may have played a role in the sales difference to.

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