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Is Backwards Compatibility As Irrelevant As Executives Claim?

The PlayStation 4 is not backwards compatible, and neither is the Xbox One.

This means that the new consoles can't play games made for the PS3 and Xbox 360 respectively. And while both will eventually offer cloud streaming services that will enable a form of backwards compatibility, most long-time gamers say it isn't the same thing.

Some are annoyed by this lacking, but most head honchos in the industry consider it a non-issue. Back during E3, Xbox executive Don Mattrick said that only about 5 percent of gamers play previous-generation games on new machines. Therefore, it doesn't make much sense to invest time and resources into making new technology backwards compatible. Now, speaking during the Credit Suisse 2013 Technology Conference, Take-Two Interactive CEO Strauss Zelnick essentially echoed those thoughts.

He said he doesn't think the next-gen systems lacking b/c is a problem and in fact, he added- "I don't think backwards compatibility affects consumers at all." He said gamers can just keep older systems hooked up and use an input switch, and that's that. Mattrick went so far as to say that "if you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards." Yes, progress is always the wave of the future and you don't want to be left behind. And there is some truth to these statements, despite what the old gaming guard may say. Backwards compatibility does seem to be a non-issue for many consumers; millions have already bought the PS4 and Xbox One, so not having b/c doesn't appear to be hurting sales.

Furthermore, as the previous generation lasted longer than most any other era in gaming history, many gamers were pining for the new hardware. That's probably another reason why so many took the next-gen plunge immediately. And it's true that it's usually no big deal to leave an older system hooked up; many HDTVs these days have multiple HDMI inputs (mine has four, for example) and most entertainment centers can hold at least a couple systems. But I'm not sold on the idea that backwards compatibility is a complete non-issue, as these executives claim. From a business standpoint, I can easily understand why they don't care. The percentage of gamers who would care, and who would buy the console on launch day just because it has b/c, is negligible.

Still, I think it's a consideration for just about anyone. One of the first questions a consumer will ask is- "Can it play the games I already have?" When the answer is "no," they're visibly annoyed (as I remember well from working in retail). Then you've got the core gamers, who won't need to ask the question but will acknowledge that b/c would be a benefit. I mean, it's basically a 100% good. Even if it's a feature you would never use, isn't it great knowing that you can put in any game from the previous generation and play it? That you never have to switch? That you have access to two, maybe even three past-gen libraries without changing anything? It's too bad that it costs a fair amount to implement the feature because I don't think anyone would refuse it.

But the bosses do have a point, at least in terms of clear economics.

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, xbox one, ps4 backwards compatible, xbox one backwards compatible

12/3/2013 9:39:03 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (57 posts)

SHADOW [Moderator]
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:35:32 PM
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BC is a feature that looks great to parents when they buy a console but will realistically very rarely get used. For the PS4/PS3 situation the only real way to have done any BC would have been to essentially put a PS3 inside the PS4 (and those things still cost $200), because there's no great way to emulate the Cell processor. For Microsoft they definitely "could" have worked to emulate the 360 and have BC but it's probably not worth the effort.

The "not worth the effort" argument is however mostly based on the older way of thinking of all games as being big budget on-disc experiences. But with the advent of smaller digital titles, those "feel" like they should carry over between consoles (even though they obviously still have all the issues of larger games).

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Gabriel013
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 2:09:57 AM

I think BC would have played a bigger role in the PS4 for PS3 games as the advancement between the two isn't so evident right now.

The PS3 games really highlighted how lacking many of the PS2 games were in comparison. I loved GT2 but to try playing it after having played PS3 games was difficult to do.

If I had a PS4 under my TV I would still want to play at least 50% of my PS3 catalogue.

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H8WL3R
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:41:11 PM
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Well I personally really liked that the PS2 fully supported PS1 games, and did that use that feature a bit. However because I didn't have very many PS1 games I didn't use it very much. I also would've really have liked to have a launch PS3 model with the PS2 tech inside, but cost was too prohibitive and unfortunately, the feature became axed (as did the other USB ports, card slots, I never personally used the OS feature though). So I really would have liked to have played my fave PS2 games or even some I hadn't played yet on the then, most current Sony console, PS3. Now that I've had the PS3 since the launch of the original 120GB slim model my PS3 game collection is bigger than PS2 and much bigger yet than my PS1 collection, which I have very few now and would have liked to be able to play some of them on the PS4, instead of this Gaikai stuff. One positive I think that came out of the PS3 not being backwards compatible though, is the HD remasters which although it would've been nice to play some PS2 games upscaled from the original disc, HD remasters are usually better in quality and often include 3 or so games on one disc which is a bit of a space saver. My feelings about it now though is that, many of the most popular games have received upgrades (although not all, especially for fans pining for remasters/returns from certain franchises) and they are in HD it would've been nice to play them on PS4 as well, with possible upscaling for the 720p titles and run smoother.

Again I really would've liked that the feature be available, especially with people with a larger PS3 collection, but... *sigh*

I would imagine 3 or more system connected simultaneously somewhat messy and space hogging. Oh and these execs who say, well just keep your older systems and play your games on that, sure that's certainly a viable option up to a point, but after 3 or 4 systems... Also I think many of the corporate people who rake in the dough, well probably have the tech and space to support the means more so than the average consumer.

Later. :)

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 2:42:08 AM

The problem with Gaikai or the HD remixes is that the game you already own, sat in its case, right there in front of you... has to be paid for all over again. I'd rather pay a single extra sum for the console itself with BC then not worry about paying for each game again, IF my favourites are even re-released.

I have my PS3, 360 and TV Media box in my living room. I don't want another console in there as there really is no room.

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H8WL3R
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:17:37 PM

Oh yeah I definitely agree with that Gabriel013. I wish the b/c would've have been kept too, especially for the games that didn't receive a graphically enhanced re-release (with all included and possible bonuses), and having to pay for it again is usually not preferential.

I was just looking on the brighter side and thought "oh those are good/great games they're being released as a collection, well I'll just wait 'til it's $20-$30 or less and get it". Some times I'd also think " I didn't have that or those before and they interest me so, again, I'll wait 'til the price drops enough for me and when funds allow ". Collections such as Sly, R&C, J&D, the GoW ones, DMC, TR and PoP, are some I'm thankful for being able to have. The next collections/trilogies I can think of I'd like to add are Mass Effect Trilogy and Killzone Trilogy.

But most of these are HD remasters of SD games, now that all the games from the PS3 are up to at least 720p HD then, I really wish the PS4 would have the b/c to support the disc we already have, I think because we've made the transition to HD with PS3, the b/c is more relevant and important. Also these collections are worth having in my opinion (even though I had several of these games for PS2). :)

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Boyo
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 10:58:53 PM
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Hmmmm, I bought the 60GB PS3 because I would still be able to play Worms on it! I still play it, and I would have bought the PS4 already if it had backwards compatibility, because I have so much PS3 games to complete/yet to play. I can't justify buying the PS4 while I have so much yet to play. I still yearn for a machine that will play not only my PS3 games, but also my PS1 and 2 games, and my Commodore 64 games, and my Amiga games!! Haha! Yes, I'm talking about Impossible Mission again, when will we see it again!

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H8WL3R
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:12:00 PM

:) Well that's a nice dream, but I'd settle for a Sony PS console fully b/c with all present and past PS games. :) Maybe even the Microsoft XBOX as well, maybe then I'd be more interested in getting one with a few current and older exclusive titles, ah heck why don't we throw Nintendo with one-in-all Nintendo playing console too! Or how about one to rule them all!!! Alright, I've come back down to earth now... :)

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touchyourtoes
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 12:06:22 AM

Stay a while...........staaaAAAY FOREVER!


H8WL3R, the RetroN 5 console is something you want to look into, it doesn't do N64 though, and it was recently delayed to early next year.

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H8WL3R
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:26:51 PM

Thanks for that heads up touchyourtoes, that looks sweet indeed. I do not have any cartridges though, other than a very select few GameBoy Advance titles. My collection of VHS and music cassettes are also very slim or nil. Discs however... that's another matter. :)

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 4:48:15 AM

Now THAT'S a great avatar! :) Love Shawn. :)

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Boyo
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 1:17:58 PM

Haha! Thanks Beamboom! One machine to rule them all, I love that idea, can you imagine a machine that could play EVERY video game ever? How awesome would that be! Can you imagine having your mates over to play the Atari 2600 version of E.T.! Hahaha!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:06:41 PM
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PS4 could have easily had PS1 and PS2 games supported at least. While I know it isn't reasonable to have a PS3 inside the PS4 I would think that Sony would at least recognize that you're more likely to upgrade to the new console if you can sell your old one first. That's just logic. PS3 still has a lot of games coming so without B/C you're going to have a sales slump for a good long while.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:14:37 PM
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Nope. I use my Wii U to play a Wii games as much as I play Wii U games. I used my 60gb PS3 to play PS2 games. I would use a PS4 to play PS3 games. But alas, they ditched BC.

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H8WL3R
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:27:03 PM

Agree. Would probably be more willing to adopt another console or two if they were b/c.

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telly
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 12:43:25 PM

I would absolutely upgrade to X1, no question, if it had BC. Since it does not, it's very unlikely I ever will. I just have no interest in piling up more and more and more game consoles in some closet, or crowding my entertainment center. Not all of us have limitless storage space.

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Kryten1029a
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:26:00 PM
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Backward compatibility matters-at least for the first couple of years. If you choose to do so, you can sell your old console and put the funds toward the new unit and have something to play while the library of available next-gen titles builds up. I have 3 HDMI slots but one is used by my satellite receiver which gives me 2 others to share between a PS3, PS4 and 360. Having to swap cables out isn't the end of the world but it is an inconvenience. I would have paid an extra $20-30 dollars not to have to deal with it.

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slugga_status
Tuesday, December 03, 2013 @ 11:58:24 PM
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I would've loved a BC system..but the older I get I rarely have the time to even play older games. I would need the urge to go back and play those games. With newer games on a new system my focus is usually on those games..I think they're right..it's no problem to hook up a older console to play but primarily, for me at least, I'll stick to the newt tech and games

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 2:44:06 AM

As I get older I find I carefully choose the games which I think will give me the most enjoyment, and those are typically those released in the past 2-4 years. I'll only buy a new game if I think it will give me more enjoyment than simply replaying those I already own.

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PlatformGamerNZ
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 12:01:56 AM
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yeah i know its uneconomical to do b/c now days and cos the arcitecture is so different it just wudn't make sense me personally i have my ps4 on one tv and the ps3 on another tv and in different rooms cos i don't have enough ports on the ps3 tv so yeah i'm okay i can play watever with have a ps3 and ps4 so i'm gud for b/c and i was never going to trade in the 2 and half yr old console for the new i got stuff still to play later on once things on the ps4 settle down.

happy gaming =)

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Gabriel013
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 2:25:35 AM

It only not economically viable if we expected Sony to foot the bill, but that's not the case. If they released a BC machine with the BC element fully costed in I'd have preordered. Be that $100 or $150 more than the current PS4 retail price.

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kraygen
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:42:53 AM
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I know several people that never bought a ps3, (stuck in the past) but were going to buy a ps4 as a christmas present this year, but decided to go ahead and get the ps3 instead because there are a lot of cheap games available that won't play on ps4.

I'd rather it be bc so I don't have to have every console in my living room, but me and the exec's apparently disagree all the time.

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:45:20 AM
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Let me just say that I probably would have been among the first pre-orders is the PS4 had been backwards compatible. I still have an immense library of unplayed games from the PS3, so the ability to play those on the same system during the lull periods early on in the generation would make it all the more worth it.

But I can understand why B/C has been abandoned, as unfortunate and slightly saddening as it is.

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JROD0823
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:54:55 AM
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I think that it's fine that built-in backwards compatibility is dead.

It saves costs on production, which saves the consumer money.

If you are so hell-bent on playing your old games, you should just keep the console that they are meant to be played on instead of selling it.

Common sense, people.

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 2:03:35 AM

"If you are so hell-bent on playing your old games, you should just keep the console that they are meant to be played on instead of selling it."

And that is what people like me are doing, denying them new generation sales until the draw of the new sufficiently outweighs the draw of the old.

As for the price? Damn, stick another £100 on it and give me BC. I'm a grown adult with a job. Give me quality and functionality and let the price be whatever it will be.

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H8WL3R
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:31:40 PM

Or maybe a premium model with the b/c feature. :)

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Gabriel013
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 2:26:33 AM

Exactly H8WL3R

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:59:50 AM
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Is it irrelevant?

If the PS4 had full BC, I would now own one, instead of simply keeping the PS3 until there is a sufficiently new and exciting catalogue available to pull me away from Mass Effect, Skyrim and the dozens of other games I have and still enjoy greatly.

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apdgat
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 2:24:57 AM
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As a long time gamer, (I'm over 40 years old) BC is not a real problem, but seems like a spoiled kid's tantrum. New generations just want it all, they don't know exactly why, but they do. It's like saying that my kids will rather watch an 80's movie in a 19" CRT TV (and a betamax, of course) than a blu-ray version in a 40" LED TV... really? In the times of Atari, NES an SNES, BC was nonexistent. Maybe there's still some people plugging their PS1 to play Legend of Dragoon, but -ahem- "we" are the minority and should not be mad if we are not considered for newer generations. Life as it is.

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H8WL3R
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:40:01 PM

Alright, valid points, but I think that because PS3 games are in HD, it's a different matter then playing SD games on an HD system, no? Also if they really didn't care about fans being able to play older games then why selling past generation games on PSN, why allowing new games that are retro styled to be sold on PSN and finally and most importantly, why buy Gaiki and want to implement that to stream the console owner some of those older games when some of us have them (especially in HD already) and not allow us to play them directly from disc? :)

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Beamboom
Friday, December 06, 2013 @ 9:33:52 AM

There's PLENTY of old games worth playing, or even buying today.

Like after the comeback of Deus Ex: How many gamers were introduced to that franchise on their PS3, and could be curious to try the original DE games? And how sweet wouldn't it be if they could just enter the PSN store and buy them for a few dollars and start playing?

So this is not just for oldtimers who can't let go of the past.

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___________
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 3:36:09 AM
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of course its irrelevant, people just LOVE blowing 550+ bucks on something and have nothing to play on it!
seriously, what a stupid question!
you need BC to boost a systems line up, give people something to do on their shiny new box.
i honestly did not play a single ps3 game until frigging uncharted released!
up until then it was all ps1 and ps2 games, just simply because nothing was out!
resistance was ok but i really did not enjoy it, and the rest like NFS carbon and fear were ps2 ports.
ps4 would of been the same, id much rather continue my backlog of ps3 titles i havent even got half way through yet than grind my way through the WORST FPS EVER made!
christ every time i boot up shadow fall is like pulling bamboo from under the nails!
i just hate not finishing games, call it a curse.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 3:49:32 AM
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Of course it matters. As far as I am concerned backward compatibility is *the* argument for PC gaming. Buy the game and forever play it. How can that not matter.

With the PS3 being my first console I've never really thought about this backward compatibility issue up until now with the generation shift. I don't want to keep old electronics stacked in my living room "just in case". So in my case the entire PS3 collection is now stowed away in our cabin, and I don't really know when I'll ever play them again.

It really puts a damper on my buying eagerness during the upcoming period with the PS4.

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H8WL3R
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:44:11 PM

That's a good point about PC I hadn't thought about much before. Heck I still have Unreal Tournament, StarCraft and WarCraft III among a few others and I'm glad they're still playable.

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 6:58:56 AM

Awwwww... Unreal Tournament <3 ... I *miss* it!


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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 4:39:56 AM
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No, I see it is the biggest downfall for a new console. I'll be honest I dont mind it with the PS3, as I can play that in HD anyway.

My problem lays with the PS2! Ever since they cut off the backwards compatibility with the PS3 it has been an utter nightmare to play PS2 games on a PS2. The US version and slap the output to progress scan, which makes them look decent on a HDTV. We cant do that in Europe. Even with a component cable, it looks like playing a really compressed DS game on a DS screen.

I've tried everything hacking my memory card, buying other wires its hopeless. I was ever so content with my old PS3 playing PS2 games. I could get another old PS3, but they're expensive and unreliable, so now my 70+ PS2 games are boxed up and unplayable - Thanks Sony.

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H8WL3R
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 1:52:01 PM

Yeah, and that's another thing eh, fine play it on the respective plaforms, but what about the fact that after the system is obsolete and no longer sold it's literally GAME OVER! Fatality!!! :) But yeah. :( Sure one could try to find a used one, but if one is unlucky in their search or is running out of space for units then all of those games become totally useless. Good thing for recycling I guess, for places where such facilities exist, but I just looked it up and from the quick search I did, it seems the discs themselves are recycled in limited areas and are not usually accepted in the blue box/bin.

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bldudas1
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 7:16:09 AM
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I like how I can play PS1 game son my PS3 and PS2. Not being able to play older console games is one reason I'm not getting a PS4 right away.

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Draguss
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 8:15:00 AM
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I don't think it matters that much going back a single generation. But it would certainly get really uncomfortable when you want to play older games. I think every console should at least be b/c with every gen before the last one. The PS4 should be more than capable of running PS1 and PS2 games through emulation.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 8:56:01 AM
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We only really had 1.5 generations where B/C existed anyways. It's not like you could play NES games on SNES or N64, for example. Sony was the first to do it at all with PS1 games playing on PS2. They are also the only ones to do it for an entire generation, save the current WiiU. (Although it's almost a necessity for them at this point!)

However, I would really appreciate that feature. I still have my PS2 kicking around, but I -HATE- clutter. I'm the opposite of a hoarder. I regularly make runs to drop stuff off at the second hand store, and I probably make a run to the dump every couple months. And I'll be honest, I hate filling my shelves with old pieces of hardware. However, the only thing I collect is games, so I need the older hardwares.

So yeah... I would love that feature. But I see their point about sales. I'll be getting a PS4 no matter what. All the lack of B/C does is cause me to wait a while before buying. If PS4 was b/c, I would run out and buy one today. I won't, though, and my purchase won't take place until there's at least one or 2 games I can't stand not being able to play yet.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 9:59:47 AM

"I'm the opposite of a hoarder" -> Me too! The exact opposite.
I like to replace stuff. Upgrade stuff. But to collect all the old stuff? Nope.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 10:51:05 AM

Yeah. Last month I was helping a friend get ready to sell his house, so we took all the junk he had to a storage unit. The guy still had 2 tube TV's he doesn't use (he has 3 HD TV's between just he and his fiancé) and just... boxes and boxes of stuff he'll never use but can't let go of.

I found it so weird but apparently that's normal...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 10:59:00 AM

For the record, there is a very, very large difference between a "hoarder" and a collector.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 11:15:58 AM

I'm a collector and a hoarder. There are no dead cats beneath my things, but I always find that things have a second use later on. It carries into my gaming, you should see how much crap I tote around in Skyrim and Fallout 3.

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telly
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 12:21:51 PM

there's this one chest I have in my skyrim house that is loaded with so much garbage to the point I can't find anything in there. It's the exact opposite of how organized I am in real life.

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TheWuziMu
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 11:55:38 AM
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I absolutely disagree:

I was an early adopter of the PS3 only because of BC. I had immediate access to my PS2 library and was able to more easily transition to the new generation with my loyalty cemented.

Since both systems this gen start from scratch, I will not automatically buy a PS4, and won't make the decision which to buy until enough games have been released.

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telly
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 12:39:50 PM
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"But the bosses do have a point, at least in terms of clear economics."

That's unfortunately true, though I think more people care about it than they want to admit. The first question I get about PS4 from EVERY casual-at-most video game fan is, is it backwards compatible? And when they hear it's not, they are blown away and sorely disappointed.

But it's both the cost of implementing BC and the revenue potential of remastered/re-released games down the road that makes it economically unattractive for companies. How many people who just traded in their 360s and PS3s will re-buy their last-gen favorites once Microsoft and Sony start selling them online? Despite holding on to my PS2, I re-purchased the Metal Gear Games, the God of War Collection, RE 4, etc. in HD. Why? It looked a little better on my TV and it was convenient. Even as I complain about lack of BC, I effectively support it's exclusion by re-buying games over and over. Which makes me feel even worse about lack of BC.


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Nerull
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 3:05:00 PM
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I, like most people here, would have loved a premium option for b/c.
And everybody saying that the first question people ask about new consoles is b/c are very correct, I just had it happen to me today.
I bought my old 80g because it had b/c, which I wish hadn't kicked the bucket long ago.

Sure the majority of consumers don't care about it, but the majority of consumers are pretty mindless.

I'll keep my PS3, but it will eventually fail too, and then what happens when years down the road they stop manufacturing new PS3s?
Not to mention I have only one HDMI left in my TV, so if I ever get an xbox or PS5 one of them is going to fall by the wayside.

I'll admit there are only a few PS1/2 games I go back to, but of the 3 I have the largest library of PS3 so b/c makes more sense now than it ever has.

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Masszt3r
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 3:31:40 PM
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I sincerely question the sanity of those "head honchos", of the gaming industry if they think that BC does not affect consumers.

It may not affect the casual consumers much, but hardcore gamers will definitely cringe when they learn they cannot play their old games on their new systems. And while casual consumers may be great in numbers, hardcore ones are usually the ones that buy most games, DLC, subscriptions, etc., so it's definitely important to keep those people happy.

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VampDeLeon
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 4:11:38 PM
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It was bound to happen eventually. I think given the losses from the PS3 pushed them to turn back on their support with always having B/C. It's more expensive to support older systems alongside play current games.

Plus with the new generation of gamers, a low margin have any interest in playing games from before PS2, some can't even tolerate the graphics from before PS3. It's safe from those assumptions to believe most gamers now aren't keeping their PS2 hooked up now that these HD re-releases of the popular franchises have been pouring out. So it looks like to get the most out of everything now you'll need your PS3 and PS4.

It would be nice if they offered a separate system with a higher price that plays all-in-one, like the third-party developed system that could play NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis games. But that's a shot in the dark making it official, when they can earn even more money having the games rebuyable digitally.

Moving from PS3 to PS4 will be easy, since I only had a few games franchises (compared to PS1 and 2) that I had already gotten the most fun out of. My PS4 will replace where the PS3 is, and I've been continuing re-playing my SNES and PS1 games until more games are available. I'll just share my PS3 with my parents who still only have a DVD player. I don't consider being "backwards" an insult, if it just means I still have lots of fun playing games and don't have any issues with looking at 'crappy graphics'.

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PharaohJR
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 10:50:09 AM
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thats strange... he claims only 5% of folks who game are concerned about bc. i deal with all set of folks who game on a grand scale. prior to Ps4 & X1 release 8 out 10 1st question bout the consoles was is it bc. if it wasnt asked 1st it was threw the convo with a response of damn or aww man when answered no.

it suprised me that Sony didnt consider the option of the feature with Ps4. Sony history with 2 & 3 was done why not 4 & keep legacy of that option being available..... tax higher for the Ps4 with the option & produce less of them over the base. gurantee if it was anounced at E3 before release the crowd wouldnt even be seated when X1 showed up. the remark bout if u focus on bc your backwards is monkey..... if a youngin at a age grasp the concept of VG & selects a console that offer fun but console is outdated & not on par with current, is that the remark u have for somebody who enjoys gaming no matter the platform.....

bout the cloud gaming feature... thats only active with internet right? that means whoeever didnt get to grab a game from past or still enjoys 1 from the past drops the fee to play but only has acess threw the net they dont own the product.....

i dunno man...... i pay attention to markets of all kinds & it seem like its a major shift going on where business strategist are abandoning the core & orgins of platforms that structured the present..... the thing thats crazy is the belief u can build without the orgin & we managed to see where that leads.....

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ricksterj
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 12:17:09 PM
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"Head Honchos" apparently AREN'T gamers thus DON'T give a RAT'S ASS about backwards compatibility OR the GAMERS who INVESTED a LOT of HARD EARNED $$$ (& fattened the wallets OF the "Head Honchos") for their collections of the previous generations.

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EagerGamer
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 12:24:39 PM

Well said mate!

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EagerGamer
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 12:24:17 PM
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Well considering I'd like to get GTA V and a PS4 and not be alternating between PS3 and PS4 all the time yes I'd like backwards compatibility. Especially if I buy something like FIFA 14 which is available for both and I get it for PS3 cos it's a while till I afford a PS4 and then can't play it on the PS4, instead having to buy a 2nd copy just cos I couldn't wait for so long to save up enough for the new console..

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Ather
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 5:27:28 PM
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An input switch? Great, if it comes with the console. Not paying for the privellage of still playing my older games. Plus, I have zero room for a new system. Maybe if Sony or Microsoft would like to buy me a new table? and input swtich?

No? Well, that's why it seems I'll be skipping this Gen. No choice. I'm not wasting my time switching out systems when I want to play. For all it's laughableness, the Gamecube was at least designed right. Nice and small. Start making more compact systems, then I'll have room. If not, I'll be keeping my PS3 and XBOX360 for several more years, I play through my backlog and current games, and digital downloads. Which probably will end 2 years before PS5/XBOX Whatever comes out. So, pointless to buy the PS4/X1 then.

Streaming? Great. As long as I can stream the games I already have save files for. And I don't have to pay for any backlogged game (Not buying them twice). If these conditions are met, I'll stat saving up for 2015 and buy the new systems. If not, well, who acres? Sony and MS don't. My lack of sale sis nothing to them (another great reason to not care, because we matter so little to them).

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CptGreedle
Friday, December 06, 2013 @ 10:48:24 AM
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People argue that video games and gaming are a valid art form. That games like Flower, Ico, Eden, Journey, and so many others should be held high not only as fun and enjoyable games but also as interactive art. The internet went in an uproar when Roger Ebert claimed video games had no artistic merit, and he soon apologized realizing he was not well-informed about them.
As an artist and art lover, I love to study old masters' works. I often go to galleries and shows and have studied many famous works by artists like Rodin, Van Gogh, Monet, etc. but in order to see these, I don't have to worry about what format it's in, what kind of paint they used, or what year it was made to make sure it's backward compatible. No, I just look at it. So to say backward compatibility isn't important in a heavily technological art form is travesty.
How are we expecting our next generation of game developers to know what the early developers did or find inspiration in obscure places with games like Legend of Dragoon, XenoGears, Persona, parasite eve, star ocean, Katamari Damacy, Kingdoms Hearts, etc if they've never had to chance to play them thanks to a complete lack of backwards compatibility.
As it is, most retailers do not sell systems as old as the PSone or PS2 anymore, so if can't buy the system or the games or put an old title in what systems ARE available, how do you expect people to experience these things??

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JackC8
Friday, December 06, 2013 @ 1:06:14 PM
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I'm waiting a year or two for a good library of games to be released before getting a PS4, so obviously having b/c would have a very positive influence on my buying decision. Having said that though, I think it's tremendously more important to have a $100 price advantage on the Xbox One than to have that feature.

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richfiles
Friday, December 06, 2013 @ 5:22:09 PM
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I would be willing to settle for emulation based backwards compatibility that skips a generation. No reason you can't keep a PS3 plugged in, but emulating a PS1 or PS2 should be easy. Likewise, a PS3 ought to be able to be emulated by the time PS5 comes along.

Games are getting to a point where it's more about making them bigger, shinier, and smarter. I think the days of huge revolutionary leaps are over (Static screen sprite graphics to 2D scrolling to isometric view to 3D polygons, etc... We are at a point where we can already create a virtual world that imitates our own. We have a long, long, long way to go to create the seamless illusion of reality, but as it stands... We're there. HD TVs can be improved, but the perceptibility of details on higher resolutions are already dependent on distance from the set and size of screen.

At this point, we truly are talking about incremental improvements to the overall quality, overall capability, and overall capacity. The PS3, set side by side with my PS4, is a system I WILL still be playing. Obviously, new purchases will be for the newer system, but I still love Fallout, Skyrim, and GTA 5! I only JUST started playing Assassins creed. Not gonna just drop PS3 cause it's successor is sitting beside it.

The truth is, the PS4 is NOT going to be a replacement for my PS3.
The two systems will be companions in my gaming arsenal!
I WOULD have paid $550 - 600 for a BC PS4, so long as Sony had the $400 option for those who don't care. I'd say it would be a good enticement for those who want to have one machine but not give up their old library.

I HONESTLY have a PS3 stand (aka, my 360 that I have not used since Fable III came out), my PS3, my Wii, My PS4, and my Saturn all hooked up... Wait... I stole the HDMI port for the xbox for my PS4...

LOL!!! I have a Saturn hooked up, but NOT my Xbox 360! XD

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