Rumor: PSP2 UMD-Less, Can Emulate Original PSP Games

If you were never a fan of the physical media for the PSP (UMD), but you still enjoy your portable games, you'll be happy about this.

According to sources within IGN, the PSP2 will drop the physical media drive but at the same time, it'll also be able to emulate original PSP games. They also refer to some recently leaked images of the PSP2 dev kit; the new iteration of the handheld holds another similarity with the PSP Go, in that it slides up, but is also larger and features dual analog sticks. Cameras are seen on the front and back, and we still can't get away from the possibility that a touchpad exists on the rear of the unit. The source in question calls it a "smooth, glass-like surface" and it will be used for basic controls, tapping, swiping, and other "gesture commands." Now, when it comes to portables, are people as cherishing of their game collection as they are in regards to home consoles? Many don't want to see a full-on switch to digital content in the console world; do gamers feel the same way about portables...?

Either way, we can't be too far from an official announcement. Not only does this thing most certainly exist, we seem to know a heck of a lot about it already...too bad none of it can be confirmed just yet.

Tags: psp2, psp, playstation portable, sony psp

12/9/2010 10:51:32 AM Ben Dutka

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Snorge
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:08:29 AM
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If this falls in the category of the usual Playstation backwards compatibility, then I will be one happy camper! Bring me the PSP2 and end my torture and suffering waiting for the ungodly handheld. The original PSP had MASSIVE potential and eventually was put to it (with extra means ;P). That really gets my mind racing with ideas on what the new iteration can do!

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:29:24 AM

The thing is, that even the unmodified PSP with current firmware just obliterates the DS in terms of functionality and performance. The DS has a great extra couple of features to set itself apart, but in terms of being a portable game/media/internet device, the PSP is leagues ahead. I know that a lot of the homebrew efforts and custom firmware were about additional functionality - which I do applaud, but the same custom firmware used to enable extra features was also massively abused by people who didn't want to pay for their games. Looking at the software sales vs hardware sales of the PSP in the US and comparing that to Japan (where game piracy is actually not prevalent). The difference is nasty. It might not be fair to those using custom firmware for things other than free games, but custom firmware has been very destructive to the PSP's success in the west. For this reason, I hope that the PSP2 is not so easily cracked open by the Homebrew community. Game publishers will not support a platform as strongly if game piracy is considered to be rampant on that device.

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godsman
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:07:49 PM

I have a pretty decent category of PSP UMDs. I would love to have them on the PSP2. I hope I can save upload PSP UMD games on the PSP2. It would be a great idea. When PSP2 releases, PSP would be dead. So it only makes sense to have the support of it's predecessors, like Gba to DS.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:41:29 PM

Looking at Sony's track record, I'd hesitate to say that the PSP will die immediately after it's successor is released. But either way, I'd love to see that you're right.
Peace.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 8:31:46 PM

so if i wanted to be future proof id have to buy all my psp games off the ps store from now on???

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 9:11:32 PM

@Cesar. Yup, that's about the size of it, unless you don't mind hanging on to your PSP as well.

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shadowpal2
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 10:31:46 PM

"Looking at the software sales vs hardware sales of the PSP in the US and comparing that to Japan (where game piracy is actually not prevalent). The difference is nasty."

Highlander, I always love reading your comments and search for yours in nearly every article. But I'm going to have to say that your statement here is not true.

One evidence I have is Final Fantasy Dissidia: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/cesa-5-2-million-illegal-downloads-of-dissidia-final-fantasy-i/

And also the other one would have to be the new law passed in Japan which causes a warning message to pop up for a "pirated version" of a DS game. - These are for new DS games mainly - but it tells you that piracy is a damn big problem even in Japan.

Of course do more people pirate here in the U.S. compared to Japan - well most likely yea...the U.S. would have more pirates - but we also have a larger population here. But if you were to compare in terms of percentage - yea I guess you'd be right.

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Highlander
Friday, December 10, 2010 @ 10:39:19 AM

@ShadowPal,

I don't have the specific numbers to illustrate wheat I was saying, and I do agree that there is some game piracy in Japan. But, I still stand by the point that the rate of game piracy, specific to the PSP, in Japan is an order of magnitude lower than in the West. The software sales for the PSP in Japan absolutely confirm this. Games and systems sell strongly. There are PSP games that are obvious system sellers because unit sales of the PSP itself spike when these games are released. In the US (in particular) PSP game sales are pretty anemic and do not push hardware sales as they do in Japan.

Relatively speaking, piracy of PSP games in Japan is a small problem compared to North America - for example. In terms of localization of games from Japan and development of PSP titles by western developers, piracy has hurt the PSP bigtime because it deflates sales numbers which discourages development of titles. Poor numbers of titles discourages hardware sales and discourages other publishers from taking a chance. When you see an otherwise excellent game selling like it's a steaming pile of crap on a platform, it doesn't really recommend that platform as a target for development. The problem with that is that it can become such a problem that it's not so much a vicious cycle as a death spiral. Fortunately, we've never quite entered that spiral, but the cycle has taken it's toll.

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frostface
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:11:59 AM
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I'll be honest. With my PS3 I don't like the idea of losing physical media and don't think I ever will.
But I'm all for it with my PSP because I'm travelling with it. It makes the same sense as having an MP3 player instead of carrying all them CDs. When you're on the move it's better to carry less imo.

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godsman
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:17:44 PM

I hate to have no physical media too. A downloaded game feels like a "bootleg" copy given by your friend.

If it's only downloadable on PSN, it'll almost never go on sale like in retail. Unless, PSN sell the game in such a price where you would not care about physical media, like $10 for a God of War quality game. That would never happen. They'll have to sell 6 million copies to make a profit, I don't see that happening.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 1:59:53 PM

I agree with you Frost, When you're travelling with something electronic, the less crap you need to carry with it the better.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 5:02:50 PM

@ godsman

Have you not seen the hundreds of PSP games that have been price-reduced on PSN over the past few months? There are around 20 this week alone.

It took a while, but PSN sales (esp. for PSP games) have become the norm rather than rare exceptions. I can only see that increasing for the PSP2.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 12/9/2010 5:03:47 PM

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Nynja
Friday, December 10, 2010 @ 12:55:59 PM

Agreed. I'm all for digital, just need to bring those prices down now that distribution costs will be reduced dramatically.

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X_shadowkilla_X
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:13:19 AM
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I think it would be more convenient to not have physical media on a portable game system...less to carry around. I just dont want to have to worry about losing all my digital games if the psp2 does decide to crash. So its a win/lose situation. Unless they come up with a way to retrieve lost games with faulty psp2's.. either way i'll still buy 1.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:22:37 AM

Games will probably come on a derivation of the memory Stick Pro Duo, so that you can have physical retail of games where the network speeds don't support downloads. The nice thing is that you will be able to carry a number of games in a small case, and of course there will continue to be some physical, tangible thing to buy when you buy a game. Switching to solid state storage instead of discs will save on the power too, making more available for a faster processor.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:20:28 AM
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PSP2 needs to be able to play PSP games, there are many downloadable titles now and it would provide an instant library for the PSP2 to start with.

From April 2010 posted here at PSX...

Would anyone care to guess on the features of a PSP2? Pie in the sky time....

Touch screen
higher resolution OLED screen
TWO analogs
Backwards compatible with PSP and PS1 games
built in microphone
built in accelerometers, and other motion detection like the sixaxis.
Magnetometer (my Droid has it, why not?)
Hi-res Camera (my Droid has it, why not?)
GPS receiver (my Droid...)
802.11n wireless ethernet (my Droid...)
3G broadband capable? (my Droid...)
BlueTooth (my Droid...)
Flash memory slots (two slots not one)
No UMD - 2/4GB flash RAM and ROM devices are stamped out by the gazillion, it has to be time to do away with the disc.
wireless USB & micro-USB socket
CPU - would like to see something like a mobile Cell, but that's not gonna happen. Needs to be 4 times faster than previous PSP.
GPU - mobile GPUs have come a long way, this should blow the PSP original out of the water.
256MB system memory & 256MB video memory - I see no reason why the system could not have as much system and video ram as a PS3. You don't need expensive XDR or GDDR3 memory for a mobile device.
Battery - This needs to be at least 2000mAh. The more battery they can squeeze into the thing the better. Even if it costs an additional couple of millimeters thickness and an ounce more weight, put a bigger battery on it please.

When you look at a device like the Motorola Droid you can see what can be done in a small form factor. PSP2 should use the same basic shape and size as the PSP-3000. Perhaps a little slimmer and more compact, but generally the same. That would allow for bigger hands as well as leaving room for a decent battery.
....

There have been suggestions that the screen will be bigger than the original PSPs screen, in which case the unit will be big enough for Sony to (if they wish to) literally double the size of the battery. Battery size is important because if you double the size of the battery, you double the available power to manage a 4-6 hour battery life. The more power you have, the higher the clock speeds and the more complex the processors.

My original Droid is about a year old now, and when the PSP2 arrives could be 18 months. So whatever we do get, it should/could be lots more powerful than the existing wave of smartphones, especially if Sony bumps the batter size to allow more power...

I can't wait to get some more concrete detail. In the mean time I will just have to hope that the list above is close. I believe that there may actually be more RAM than I suggested, it may be as much as 1GB of RAM, although that too has to be balanced against the power available.

Last edited by Highlander on 12/9/2010 11:24:13 AM

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:45:47 AM

I have a hard time believing your Macbook can run for 7 hours. Most laptops including Macs only run about 4 hours.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:49:59 AM

I did the calculations the other day and you'd be surprised how little juice a 2000mAh batter has.

If I remember correctly a 3.6v 2000mAh battery has 2 x 3.6 = 7.2 watt hours. In other words it can supply 7.2 Watts for an hour, or 1 Watt for just over 7 hours, or 2 Watts for a little under 4 hours.

Remember that this has to power the screen as well as the other electronics. So the power envelope is quite small.

The MacBook battery has approximately 10 times that amount of energy (68 watts). If it keeps it's power drawn to 10 Watts or less it will go about 7 hours. But it weighs nearly 14 ounces.

If Sony double the battery to a 3.6v 4000 mAh battery, they get 14.4 Watts, that would allow the system to draw anything up to 3 watts and still run more than 4 hours on a single charge. 3 Watts doesn't sound like a lot, but it's about double what the original PSP consumes.

That said, I would really like to see Sony take advantage of the removal of the UMB mechanism to physically increase the battery size for a longer duration battery.

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chedison
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:52:36 PM

jawknee I have a mac too, and mine can run for about 7ish hours as well..

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 4:44:06 PM

if the games come in hd then how about the option to connect it to the tv, not only to play videogames of course, i mean i know that not everyone cares for this but it would be nice to get that option for those of us who want to output our hd home movies without having to burn them onto disks...

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 5:30:06 PM

I see, that make's sense. Though I always assumed most Apple products had poor battery life. My phones, ipods, and laptops i have had all had poor life. Same with my Windows laptops.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:30:49 AM
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Don't know why but I'm kinda more interested in the PSPhone instead.

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Snorge
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:51:37 AM

Nah IMO that has to be moreso for the casual gamer aka the current iPhone user and Droid user who plays games on the go but nothing like MGS, GOW, Resistance, kingdom Hearts, and so on.

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BlinkBoy
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:31:22 AM
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How large will the PSP2 storage be, and will it be possible for PSN+ members to store games, savefiles etc. on a Sony server.

Maybe too early for those kind of question, it may go 6 month before Sony even say something about this. If they don't the forced to say something, but they always been holding off until a electronic event to officially show it to the masses.

Very interested in this.

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:44:50 AM
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Ugh, I don't like the sound of that. I would much rather have some form of physical media. Besides, if these games are supposed to rival PS3/360 graphics, how are they going to fit on the PSP2's storage?

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:51:43 AM

It won't be all digital downloads Jawknee. Games will be sold on some physical format, probably a memory card of some kind. My personal bet is a read only card that fits a MemoryStick Pro Duo slot, and the system will have two slots, one for the games and one for the user's own MemoryStick Pro Duo flash RAM card.

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:07:02 PM

That would be awesome indeed.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:12:17 PM

Indeed. and I should have added that that was my guess, based on the various rumors and common sense that says the connected market for the PSP is large, but so is the unconnected market, and so there needs to be some physical media involved to cater for the unconnected market.

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MadKatBebop
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 11:52:20 AM
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Oh man Id love to get one next year but money is tight these days. Oh well, Ill still try though.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:00:12 PM
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Bet's on the launch price?

I'm going with $249.99. I'll also go out on a limb and suggest that the PS3 will not drop to @249.99 until the new PSP2 drops to $199.99. If it launches at $199.99, then I'd look for a $50 drop in price for the PS3 around the summer time.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:46:33 PM

If it's as powerful, and all-purpose as we all think it's going to be... I'd put it a launch $600 here in Australia easy.
Peace.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 2:00:47 PM

What's Sony waiting for? The 120gb slim PS3 should of been @ 249.99 right when they released the 160gb slim model.

Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 12/9/2010 2:01:37 PM

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 2:39:51 PM

@Alex...

Why? The cost difference between a 120GB and 160Gb is negligible.

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Snorge
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:02:19 PM
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I really think it should have a headset that comes with this to be honest. I wanted this feature with the original PSP while doing remote play to my PS3. Think about remoting into you PS3 from across the state and then get into a chat with one of your friends somewhere else. Doing too much? Maybe, but with Sony, the possibilities are endless!

Last edited by Snorge on 12/9/2010 12:02:29 PM

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 5:08:53 PM

Hopefully, it will use the same Bluetooth headset as the PS3.

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godsman
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:24:49 PM
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Anyone have any ideas on the price of the PSP2 games? PSP games are $39. As the development cost increase for the new generation, it'll probably be $45 for PSP2.

I assume that being only downloadable, no retail, Sony can keep the price at $39. $39!! for a download game. It's too much for me.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 12:48:54 PM
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That isn't really surprising. The UMD is quite the memory draw, and getting rid of that is a good idea. But, the need the retention of physical media, and I've seen memory sticks with more 32gigs on them, so it makes sense for them to be used as a new physical media. But then, I've said that all along. Everything else about the device sounds sweet.
Peace.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 4:48:05 PM

yeah but those things arent cheap, and i dont think production costs would allow for a 49 dollar price tag for a hd videogame in a 16gb memory stick...but then again i could be wrong...

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BikerSaint
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 1:43:50 PM
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Hey Highlander,
Since I'm a tech noob, what will happen to all our UMDs that that are going to wind up useless to the new PSP2?

Is there a way for a laymen like me to transfer them somehow, like over to a memory stick or drive...or anything???????

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 2:41:43 PM

I'm not sure Biker. I suspect that much like cartridges from an old console, they may not be supported. I suppose that there might be a way to transfer them, but the difficulty is that short of redeeming the physical disc for a download code, how do you stop the same disc being transferred to many user's PSP2s?

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 4:52:58 PM

@highlander: couldnt sony be able to offer the option to connect the psp to the ps3 or a computer running media go and be able to rip the game once onto the computer?

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 5:00:13 PM

@Cesar,

I'm sure you could, but if you enabled that, there would literally be nothing to stop that same disc being copied by as many PSP/PS3 owning friends as you have. So, I don't think Sony will do that.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 5:18:27 PM

@highlander: yeah just like cds, but im sure theres a way to only make it rip once, like with the digital copies that come with blurays

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 5:31:37 PM

There are CD's you can only rip once? I've never encountered one and that's all I buy. Could be the labels and records I choose to listen to too.

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jaynet333
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 9:20:56 PM

The only way something like that could work is if the UMD had some kind of unique identifier for that specific copy of that game. Then maybe you could register it somehow under your PSN ID and get a free copy of that game via PSN. I would even be happy with a program to trade in the physical UMDs and get some credit on PSN in return, to apply towards whatever games you want via PSN, PSP or PSP2.

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Highlander
Friday, December 10, 2010 @ 10:40:46 AM

@Jaynet, they really ought to offer that at least. I mean if I return my game disc to a publisher because the disc is bad, they send me a replacement. So if they can do that, why can't they simply turn around and send me a download code instead?

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 2:05:57 PM
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Damn, now I need to get Richie rich. lol

Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 12/9/2010 2:06:25 PM

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gumbi
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 2:06:25 PM
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You make a valid point BikerSaint. The exact point I was about to comment on. What good is the PSP2's ability to emulate PSP games if we don't have a means of generating ROM's or disc images of our UMDs? (through legitimate means that is)

Unless they incorporate some way of connecting the two devices via USB and ripping your UMD to file on the PSP2... Who knows, but Sony's gotta come up with something.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 2:43:42 PM

Personally, I think that what they ought to do is set up a program for a free exchange of UMD game discs for that game's PSN download code, for any game that is available through PSN.

It wouldn't cover all UMD gamess, but it would be a step.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 6:01:46 PM

Thank Highlander,

Yeah, I remember back when Sony first stated that they were going to do something for the UMD'ers just before the PSP GO came out so that they could transfer their games, & movies, etc over to it too.

But then they just dropped the ball altogether on it, therefore screwing their own PSP GO in the process.

I'm certain that had Sony done right by the UMD'ers, then PSP GO might have not had the low meager sales that it does.

Last edited by BikerSaint on 12/9/2010 6:04:49 PM

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gumbi
Friday, December 10, 2010 @ 8:04:41 AM

Now that's a novel idea Highlander. Sony could ensure that the UMD's were being disposed of properly and you could get your digital copy of your game.

I'm not sure I'd go for it though, I like my physical copies. I like having a row of my favourite PSP game cases on my shelf. I guess I'm still clinging, I like to have a tangible product I can hold in my hands... but that's another topic entirely.

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tlpn99
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 2:33:23 PM
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So glad I dont own too many PSP games now lol. Hopefully the ones I do own can be played on the PSp somehow via memory stick or something.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 3:33:21 PM
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Fail. I can't be paying full price for downloads all the time.

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Nynja
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 4:35:40 PM

Downloadable titles should come at a discount. Why? It costs less to sell! No manuals. No physical media. No plastic casing. PLUS, I can't let anyone borrow my game or trade it in.

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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 4:55:40 PM

@nynja: uh uhh they have to include a digital manual, just like with the ps1 games

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Highlander
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 5:02:08 PM

Downloadable PSP titles should be $5 cheaper than retail, and downloadable PS3 should be $10 (or $5 if the game has already been repriced at or below $39.99).

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Nynja
Friday, December 10, 2010 @ 12:50:22 PM

Cesar, I was referring to paper manuals. I guess I should have been more specific. On that note, it cost's publishers much more money to print millions of manuals and press millions of discs that may or may not sell. It's much cheaper and greener to distribute a soft copy.

Last edited by Nynja on 12/10/2010 12:50:55 PM

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stgclawson
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 3:43:38 PM
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In this week's Game Informer it states that there will still be a physical media in terms of the games coming on memory sticks rather than UMD. So it isn't all digital at all!!

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Spore_777
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 3:51:06 PM
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Is this a middle finger in apple's face?

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BTNwarrior
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 4:27:57 PM
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well I can see them having trouble putting good looking games on a 1.2 gb disk, and seeing as how it would turn it into an energy hog if if had a bluray umd this all makes sense. just a shame I won't be able to save money buy buying from amazon anymore

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sha4dowknight05
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 4:42:43 PM
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I just hope they'll decide to keep this more than 1 year for the console. If the PSP 2 goes over $300 on release I am not going to buy it. $$ spend the same and you can get yourself a ps3. Sony's gunna have to be careful on their pricing for this one guys!

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Sol
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 7:04:12 PM
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I like my UMD game collection the same as my other stuff. I'll keep my 3000 if the new one doesn't have a UMD drive.

Last edited by Sol on 12/9/2010 7:04:20 PM

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BikerSaint
Thursday, December 09, 2010 @ 8:13:03 PM
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This additional info was taken from an article I read last week.......

Interestingly, the source also pointed towards a high level of connectivity with the PS3 as well.

To the point where gaming experiences could be completely continuous with players potentially starting games on their PS3 and then continuing them on-the-go with the PSP2.

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