PSP2 "As Powerful As PS3," On Store Shelves For Holidays

Looking Glass
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:10:11 AM
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All I can say is that they better have the games come launch day. They definitely need to avoid making the same early mistake they made with the PS3.

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natho86
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:15:41 PM

So true, they need the games to have a successful launch.

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manofchao5
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:40:41 AM

the psp2 being as powerful as the ps3 is a joke, if it was on the same level of processing power then the psp2 would need to be constantly wired to play for long hours

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:12:55 AM
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Are we looking at UMD's again? Or will a new media format be unveiled along with the PSP2?

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kraygen
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:02:55 PM

If they come out with a new format I hope it includes a umd slot so I can still enjoy my psp games.

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Simcoe
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:47:51 PM

I would think/hope that for the sake of battery life, it's a solid state type of media.

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:50:46 PM

Maybe it will just be UMDHD, or UBD(universal Blu-ray disc) or some other variation. The new media would be the same size as a UMD and you could still play old UMD's on it.

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gumbi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:12:55 PM

I'm anticipating some type of signed memory stick. Ultra high capacity, fast read speeds, battery friendly. And most of all, compact. They can easily pack 32+ Gb's on something the size of an SD card.

I'll gladly bid farewell to disc media in my portable console.

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 3:25:30 PM

Yeah, disc drive + portable system was, in hindsight, a bad idea.

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Highlander
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 3:31:36 PM

Such a bad idea that it sold 60 million units. ;)

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matt99
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:16:21 AM
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If it's true that it's that powerful, and there are enough quality games on launch I will definitely be getting this one. (Also depending on price obviously)

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spiderboi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:16:34 AM
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A new media format that's less draining on the batt, launch day games, and.. oh, right price. They better not be selling gold. We can only afford silver.

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godsman
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:24:05 AM

I want a new media format too. I rather sacrifice storage space for battery life, if PSP2 uses cartridges like DS. I have a bad feeling it'll end up being nothing but downloadable games like the PSP Go though.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:27:27 AM

Sony has a long history of releasing bleeding-edge technologies and making the consumer pay for it. Not just the Playstation brand, but across their entire market. TVs, PCs, audio equipment, you name it. I love it to death because I am a technophile, but I don't hold my breath for a good price when I hear they are coming out with something new.

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:32:11 AM

@coverton341

Hopefully they've learned from the early struggles of the PS3.

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coverton341
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:45:00 AM

@Looking Glass

Hopefully, but I wouldn't set my watch to it. Their PCs, TVs, and audio equipment is still ahead of anything else at time of release and the price indicates it.

Sony products really are for a higher bracket of earners at launch. Just look at the PSP Go. Even though that was a release disaster those things are still $200 new.

Anyway, I really hope they have a decent price point at launch, but again I'm not holding my breath

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aaronisbla
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:47:17 PM

ive heard the games were to utilize memory sticks, but its still unclear how true that is

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spiderboi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:20:50 PM

If sticks it is, they better come up with a good security measure against piracy. Perhaps sticks serving as cartridges? One slot for games, one slot for your storage needs.. Non-moving parts will do wonders for their battery.

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godsman
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:19:29 AM
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It's not a surprise to see PSP2 as powerful as a PS3. I'm sure it can generate just as pretty graphics, but just not enough details without the cell processor.

One reason I don't play PSP games on my HDTV is because it's ugly. If PSP2 can have some decent graphics, I might hook it up to the TV and interchange with my PS3.

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:26:08 AM

Who ever said that it wouldn't have the CELL? I think the expression "as powerful as the PS3" would seem to hint at that. After all the CELL has no doubt become cheaper to manufacture since the release of the PS3.

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godsman
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:37:09 AM

I saw one of these headlines before, but they ultimately meant like 256 mb of memory.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:00:32 PM

Looking Glass, Battery life if depend on whether the Cell is feasible or not. I'm not sure the battery power exists yet.

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:13:07 PM

Hmm. I suppose that "powerful as the PS3" is a bit of a vague and ambiguous statement.

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Simcoe
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:54:17 PM

@godsman mini or micro hdmi connector out? Maybe they'd keep that for the 2000 series model.

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Shams
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:16:21 PM

If 'tis true, lets hope it comes with heat-resistant cooking mits included. One would've thought they would've released a practically heatlesss ps3 slim model before they'd develop the tech for at least a power efficient portable device "as powerful" as the ps3.

Anyway, I know not to read to deep in pre-announcement/release media and hype...like the PSP be being just as powerful as the PS2...or the PS2 having the ability to do Toy Story like graphics with the emotion engine. What eventually does get me excited, more so than vaunted tech prowess and specs, are the Sony exclusives that eventually come out.

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AraykuBlu
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:34:26 AM
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If it's gonna run UMDs I hope it's backwards compatible or atleast with the downloaded games.

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Riku994
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:35:31 AM
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If the PSP2 is at powerful as the PS3...the PS4 is gunna be brutally unparallel-able.

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kraygen
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:04:19 PM

Yeah, if they can pack the ps3 into a psp, then the ps4 should blow gaming computers outta the water.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:59:20 AM
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If all this is true, don't count on this thing costing less than $300 USD. Some of you have to understand new tech always, ALWAYS cost an arm and a leg. The early adopters like me know how to...start saving a few bucks here and there. By the time this is released, if you start saving now, you can have one upon released date. Seriously, how hard is it to put a few bucks in a jar every few days or every week?

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:36:04 PM

Indeed. I know people are strapped for cash but saving a few dollars here and there can go along way especially if people want to support their favorite hobby. :)

$300 for a handheld that is on par with the PS3 is a steal in my opinion.

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Simcoe
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:58:33 PM

A base Ipod touch costs about $250 right, I think it'd be more than fair if the psp2 was $300 considering how much more powerful it would be.

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Shams
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:25:49 PM

The 3DS's European MSRP was officially announced to be 299.99 (in Pounds not Euros or USD). That's close to $460 dollars. And even if it release a bit cheaper state-side, I can't imagine it being any less than $400 or $350 at the least. And I don't expect PSP2's tech to be any cheaper, as it will be much more advanced tech (sans 3D parallax screen).

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Qubex
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:27:52 AM

$300 is not much considering what I purchased my Phatty 60gig PS3 console on launch. It was outrageous at the time, and I think a little silly on my part... anyway, when I consider the huge amount of fun I have had with it, and could have with the PSP2... well, it is probably worth it...

..BUT... I am more sensitive to the hype than ever now...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Kiryu
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:00:37 PM
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I hope the ps3 will have 10 more years of lifetime because it needs to achieve ps2's library of games.
If the psp2 is as powerful as ps3 then they might forget the ps3.Please don't let that happen sony!

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Highlander
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:18:48 PM

I don't think that a PSP2 will be capable of PS2 emulation without hardware assistance. Of course, Sony may well supplement the off the shelf processors with a mobile version of the PS2 chipset. However software emulation of a PS2 on the PSP2 will not be possible without some hardware assist. Heck, the PS3 can't even do it.

The reason being that the PS2's GS chip does things differently from all other GPUs and has a monster amount of internal data bandwidth. No current GPUs have been able to match that in a way that allows emulation.

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big6
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:02:39 PM
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I don't have the links for proof, but...
The statement that the PSP2 is "as powerful as the PS3" is speaking on relative terms.

Because the screen on the PSP2 is so small, they don't need to push true 1920x1080p resolutions to get a "hi-def" look. Thus, they will be able to scale down everything and still maintain a decent framerate.

As for the media, don't expect another UMD-type disc. I fully expect them to utilize a form of SSD for their physical media. It will be lightning fast and use less power.

But as Coverton said above... don't expect the price to be cheap. Bleeding-edge hardware comes at a cost.

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monkeypunch
Sunday, January 16, 2011 @ 11:51:19 AM

What everyone is forgetting is that the PS3 is around 6 to 8 years old. Launch was 11 November 2006 and it was in development for at least 2 to 3 years before that.

And with all the advances in mobile devices components sizes have been reduced significantly. Mobile phones as slim as half an inch have 1.2GHz dual core processors with 1GB Memory, 16 to 32GB internal Flash Memory (Flash is the same as SSD), NVidia Tegra GPU's.

There hasn't been a mobile gaming device created with current technology. Everything so far has been dual purpose. The mobile phone devices are not going to put the fastest mobile GPU in their hardware because they have to balance cost with features.

What I'm saying is it's not impossible or far fetched. They could make a mobile gaming device 100x faster than a PS3 but there are many reasons they don't.

A couple of reasons,

• cost - Sony has to keep the price to a price the market can bear. You can have that PS3x100 but then you have Neo Geo x 10. For you padawan learners the NeoGeo was a sweet ass console that had arcade level graphics and controls. The problem was that the console cost $600 and the games $200. So console makers have to choose between using existing components which are lower cost or using creating custom components which are higher cost. The advantage of the custom components as you know are they can take advantage of all the latest technological breakthroughs. Also the cost of using the latest technology can include licensing costs.

Anyway, you can still pick CPUs and GPUs off the shelf and do alright. The 360 went that route.

• battery - everyone knows this. The more power you draw the more power you draw. The PSP2 can be as powerful as the PS3 but it doesn't mean it will use all of the power it has available. It's not unusual to set a max limit on the clock cycles. They did this with PSP1. And what's more, the next generation of mobile gaming devices will benefit from components optimized for low power environments. Look at the Laptops that came out in the last year. They went from 2 to 4 hrs battery to 6 to 8hrs. 2 to 3x longer in some cases.

The argument that it's a smaller screen so there's less to render is misleading. Modern mobile device screens have a much higher pixel density. You're laptop or desktop display has 72 dots per inch (DPI). A modern mobile phone has around 240 pixels per inch (PPI). To over simplify it to render an inch of screen real estate on your computer monitor you would need to control 72 x 72 or 5,184 pixels. To do the same on the phone display you'd need to control 240x240 or 57,600 pixels!!! There's definitely a lot going on in the GPU! Don't mistake a small screen size to mean less pixels. In the end it's the hardware and software that determine the resolution and more importantly what's rendered on the screen.

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Highlander
Sunday, January 16, 2011 @ 3:02:04 PM

@Monkeypunch

Nope, no one is forgetting anything, but I think what *you* are forgetting is that in the first year of the PS3's life, the CellBE chips that power it were still not achieving good production yields because they were so darned new - barely past engineering samples. The decision to allow the use of substandard Cells by reducing the active SPE count to 7 proves that point - it allowed a far higher % of Cells coming off the production line to be used since any Cell with only one faulty SPU could be used. The Blue LEDs used for the BluRay drive were in very early production, barely past the engineering sampling stage too. The XDR Rambus memory was brand new and essentially untried, and still offers bandwidth that other memory can't. The system will be 5 in November, and probably existed for another year before that. Prior to that, only exotically engineered dev kits existed even inside Sony as technology demonstrators. The PS3 is at very most 6 years old at this point, even including the early tech demonstrations.

Quite apart from anything else you are vastly overstating the ability of mobile SoC processors. Even Tegra3 4 Core A9 (ARM) will have only 4 cores plus the mobile Geforce 8/9 GPU. Even though the ARM cores are dual issue, this still does not come close to matching up core for core with the CellBE itself. The mobile Geforce GPU will more or less match the RSX in most respects, it's still a mobile part, not a desktop one, there are compromises made. But comparing 4 dual issue ARM cores against the CellBE isn't a fair comparison, not to mention the fact that the CellBE's SPEs are specifically tuned to be excellent floating point engines. Let's not neglect the clock speeds, the CellBE runs at 3.2GHz, the Tegra will run at between 1GHz and 1.5GHz at most. Cycle for Cycle, Cell will always be more powerful. FLOP for FLOP the CEll will always be far more powerful. Combine all of that and I'm sorry, but there's no way to assert that a Tegra3 (or Tegra2) powered system will be a match for a PS3. That's simply not a reasonable argument.

None of that means that a PSP2 based on a TEgra3 (or whatever) wouldn;t be very powerful, and as I've pointed out before, most non-1st party games have made poor, or no use of the Cell's SPEs. For games of that kind, a PSP2 based on a 4 core 1+GHz SoC with a GeForce 8/9 GPU would be a match. But against anything that capitalizes on the SPEs in the SP3, there's no comparison at all.

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:03:54 PM
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Two analogs
As powerful as the PS3 o.O
High-def screen
Physical media

*Jizz in my pants*

No but seriously, if they can pull that off and convince me to make a day one purchase with some awesome new games, I won't really mind a 300$ price tag. I might have to rethink that statement though, with all them games coming out, I'm already broke -_-

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 3:31:55 PM

Indeed. With all the AAA games, it's a bad year to launch systems.

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kraygen
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:06:22 PM
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I love new tech toys and I can't wait to see the official unveiling. I am still praying tho that it doesn't have a touch screen.

Game screens should be pretty, not covered in fingerprints.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:30:42 PM

Word is that it has a touch pad, similar to a laptop's mousepad on the back of the device in leiu of a touch screen. So no need to worry about dirtying up the screen.

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kraygen
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:28:58 PM

Thank goodness, I'll never understand people's love of touchscreens.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 3:20:31 PM

I like having a touch screen on my phone. Much better than having a phone from the early 2000's or late 90's. Also the touch screen on the DS made for some pretty fun games. Touch screen isn't a necessity but still fun and convenient depending on the hardwares purpose.

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CH1N00K
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:08:05 PM
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Media Format..Mini Blurays? Probably not...

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SolidFantasy
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:18:55 PM

That crossed my mind. The UMDs of the PSP don't hold enough. Wonder what's Sony's plan is this time around.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:19:50 PM

Would be pretty sweet if they did. I think they have them in development if they aren't already done yet.

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SolidFantasy
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:19:51 PM
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AM EXCITED!!!! Why must i be so poor? This year is going to hurt.

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556pineapple
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:33:24 PM
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As cool as this sounds, for it to match the power of the PS3 and be as small as it is, it would have to be VERY expensive. I can see it easily matching the PS3 launch price of $599.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:38:16 PM

Not necessarily. Time's have changes since 2006. The tech has gotten cheaper and smaller. Sony is not going to release a $600 handheld. If they do I'll eat my hat.

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556pineapple
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:39:29 PM

I agree it's pretty unlikely they'd do it. I guess the point I'm trying to make is I don't think it's going to *quite* match the power of the PS3, just come fairly close.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:01:25 PM

You're probably right about that.

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BTNwarrior
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:22:09 PM

no matter how much they sell it for it will still be cheaper than an ipad

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Shams
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:28:23 PM

I'd expected that they'd develop and release a practically heatless ps3 slim model before releasing a power efficient portable device "as powerful" as a ps3 that one doesn't need cooking mits to hold.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:16:51 PM

Pineapple's right, for it to be as powerful as the PS3 and be portable, it will be expensive.

I suspect that the statement that it's as powerful as the PS3 might be a fairly liberal interpretation of the truth.

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Beamboom
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:41:34 PM

I'm with High and Pine, it's simply illogical.
The case, if it holds any truth at all, must be that a specific *part* of the machinery match ps3 spec. Like the r/w speed of the memory, the framerate (without taking resolution into account) or something along those lines.
I'd be careful with hyping the psp2 *too* much, or it will risk to disappoint no matter how good it actually is.
That it's gonna be the new king of the handheld hill however, now *thats* something Im willing to bet on.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 7:31:42 PM

I still don't think we'll see a $600 handheld. That would be repeating the disastrous launch of the PS3. I too think the claim it will be as powerful as the PS3 is a bit of a stretch but Sony should be able to figure out a way to launch a nice piece of hardware without pissing people off like they did in 2006.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:33:25 PM
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As powerful as the PS3? Surely that's hyperbole. If it is capable of pushing that kind of data, I wonder how long it'll take devs to get the most out of it. It sounds promising, and I sincerely hope that Sony aren't p*ssing in out pockets with this. Two weeks to the purported reveal... It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.
Peace.

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:53:43 PM

If it truly is as powerful as a PS3, put an HDMI out on the PSP2 so we can hook it to our HDTV's and play psp games on a big screen!! Come on Sony, pull through.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:06:14 PM

What he said ^^

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 12:55:53 PM
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if it doesn't have umd i won't get it for some time lol. but i do want it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:11:55 PM
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Does that mean the next PS3 slim will be the size of an external hard drive?

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GuernicaReborn
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:15:27 PM

lol

Then how will we be able to upgrade our HDD's?

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gumbi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:22:18 PM

Haha, why not? Compare the original PS2 to it's slim counterpart. I'd probably pony up the dough if I could get a PS3 the size of my PS2 slim. Hooray for saving space in my entertainment unit!

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DjEezzy
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:23:05 PM
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I'd love to see an uncharted portable game on launch. Or an infamous game. If they were done right it would be so sick!!! Or even a good shooter to maximize the dual sticks or pads or whatever you want to call them (Don't know if they'll be touch pads or actual sticks). That alone opens up so many more possibilities. Awesome!!!

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gumbi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:26:25 PM
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If it's as powerful as the PS3, I hope they're using a similar architecture as the PS3. This would make it a snap for devs to publish compatible games for both PS3 and PSP2. Not to mention quick ports of old PS3 games to PSP2.

And HDMI out would be a must have for a device boasting specs like this.

I guess this more or less dashes my hopes of a $250 launch price. I'm thinking more like $400 or $500 if this thing is as beastly as it's sounding. Oh well, sounds badass! I'll pinch some pennies for it.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:17:43 PM

It can't be as powerful as the PS3. There's no way with the battery technology and low power CPU technology we have available that it can be as powerful as the PS3.

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gumbi
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 8:10:45 AM

That's exactly what I thought. But this is supposedly straight from the horses mouth... However, if I recall, the same horses mouth told us all PS2 gameplay would look like toy story in real time. Sony does like to talk a big game. Lets hope they deliver!

For now, I shall continue the waiting game.

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Pandacastro
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:26:48 PM
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I hope I could connect it on my tv so I could play
all those games square makes and pretend it's a ps3 exclusive.

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Ogibillm
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:30:05 PM
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it's a buy for me if it has an hdmi out and you can blu tooth pair a controller to it.

otherwise... i honestly just don't game on the go that much to justify it

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kraygen
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:30:52 PM
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Had another thought, if this is true, then ps3 games should start coming with a psp2 copy, so you could transfer your game and play at home or on the go, like with ps1 games we get off the psn now.

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tridon
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:43:05 PM

I doubt PS3 games would come with a PSP2 copy. They might sell bundles for more but there's no way Sony would just give you a free PSP2 copy of a game when they can make an additional fourty or fifty bucks off you.

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kraygen
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 6:19:06 AM

Well yeah, I didn't really mean free, just give us that option, so that if I really like a game, I don't have to have a save on my ps3 and a save on my psp, but just that I can use the same one for both.

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spiderboi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 1:38:13 PM
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Why all the clamor for HDMI out? I thought the whole purpose of handhelds are for mobile gaming...?

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tridon
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:41:12 PM

They are for mobile gaming but if you're not mobile and sitting in your living room, are you going to pick up your PSP or your Dual Shock and play some PS3? I had a PSP TWICE and got rid of it both times because I wasn't traveling enough to use it. When I was at home, I'd much rather play a game on my television.

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spiderboi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 9:40:24 PM

Right, and i wouldn't be lugging around an HDMI cable just in case the plase i go to has a large LCD

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spiderboi
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:37:34 PM

Right, and i wouldn't be lugging around an HDMI cable just in case the plase i go to has a large LCD

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tridon
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:39:39 PM
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Okay, let me get this straight... the PSP2 will be as powerful as the PS3 AND be out for the holidays? So, essentially, if it's as powerful as the PS3, then it's quite possible to release PS3 games on both systems on the same date. With that being said, Sony will most likely need a stellar launch line-up to compete with the amazing launch titles that the 3DS will carry... Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception for PSP2 anyone? :O

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eLLeJuss
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:40:50 PM
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The only thing im hoping is that it can be able to play ps2 games. ON 3D! lol. but seriously just play ps2 games on psp2 and it'll sell like crazy.

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Amazingskillz
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 2:56:34 PM
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They say just as powerful as the PS3 but they don't exactly say how?

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:18:33 PM

Pixie dust.

There's pretty much no other way unless someone has pulled off a completely secret semi-conductor miracle with the Cell.

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sha4dowknight05
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:03:59 PM
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Hearing this makes me mad since the console will be prone to high damage, and heating issues. I guess that the pricing to going to be high for this one, so count me out!!!!! ONLY UNTIL THE PRICE DROPS!!!

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:19:02 PM

Huh? Where did it say that? Gee, you like to draw wild conclusions from zero evidence.

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NazzyQ
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:26:07 PM
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In terms of raw horsepower, it's not going to be as powerful as the PS3, that'd be too much of a drain on the battery power.However, the small screen and HD output will mean that the visuals will be comparable to early PS3 titles. I think that's what Sony is trying to convey here.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:49:15 PM
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Well now. Quad core mobile processors are coming out this year, so for a device to be available in time for holiday 2011, it's probably a quad core mobile chipset. It's been said it will be Tegra based, the rumors were Tegra2, but Tegra 3 taped out in late summer 2010, it should be in products by this summer. But since it's a quad core beast, it might be a bit power hungry. Not only that, but if Sony wants to pus performance they'll have to push the battery up so that there is sufficient power to increase the clock.

With all the rumors and such, it's hard to tell what's coming. The talk of it being as powerful as a PS3 seems to me to be completely overstating the situation. Here's why; PS3 has 1 PPC core and 6 SPUs running at 3.2GHz. The fastest mobile System on a Chip (SoC) clocks are about 1.5GHz. These high clocked SoCs are dual core. If you go to quad core designs, the clock speeds are typically less than 1GHz. Even just looking at the core count, the PS3 has more cores. Of course it's not just that the PS3 runs at a far higher clock speed than any mobile processor. The PSP2 could conceivable have 4 or more cores, but they will have a far lower clock speed than 3.2GHz. So really there's no way that the PSP can be as powerful as the PS3. Of course if it's a quad core device with a separate mobile GPU, it could certainly put up a good fight, but won't have the power of the SPUs on the PS3. Ah well, hyperbole is all good this early in a product's life.

I think that it will be;

* Quad core CPU with built in GPU - System on a Chip.
* 1GB of RAM ultra low power DDR2
* Memory Stick based ROM format media cards (for retail games and other content)
* Memory Stick XC Flash RAM (this has capacities up to 2TB).
* Dual analogs
* Analog buttons (like DS3)
* Trackpad like touch surface on back
* 5 inch AMOLED screen, 1366x768 resolution.
* BlueTooth
* 3G/4G data ready
* wireless ethernet
* USB 3.0 - micro size port.
* battery life of 4+ hours
* magnetometer, accelerometers, GPS
* 5+ MP Camera with flash.
* Microphone
* Built in sound

Price wise, oh dear. Either Sony takes a bath on these and they come in below $300, or Sony has a slightly insane moment and they arrive priced alongside iPads.

Personally, I think that if they want a higher price, they need to go with a 7-inch touch-screen, at least then they could sell alongside the iPad. The track pad on the back might work well in games, but for using the unit as anything other than a gaming device, a virtual keyboard requires a touch screen.

I don't think Sony will produce an iPad clone though. We may finally see a PSP keyboard accessory.

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NoOneSpecial
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 8:24:20 PM

That all sounds great, but i doubt the 3G/4G bit. Sony is going to push its Playstation phone and if you add in the 3G/4G into the PSP2, the incentive to buy the ps phone will go down. I understand that there is a certain novelty to carrying aroung a ps phone, and it does make calls, but at the end of the day, the specs for the ps phone (as of now) don't seem to groundbreaking compared to other phones coming out this year. I just hope that there is more to the ps phone because as it stands right now, it can't really compete with powerhouses like the Motorola Atrix.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 10:36:20 PM

KIndle has always online capability but is not a phone. As long as it's a data device, it's not a problem. The 3G/4G data services do not allow VOIP protocols, so you couldn't use it as a phone anyway.

Without 3G/4G capability, the device can't be an always on-line device, and I think that when you look at the devices it will compete with (tablets) they are all data capable always on-line devices.

If Amazon can get Kindle to work globally on 5G without a paid data plan included in the cost of a $190 kindle reader, then Sony can surely do something with the PSP2, even if it meant having a monthly PSN service fee for the PSP2 to allow Sony to cover the network costs.

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DemonNeno
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:56:29 PM

although I think Sony won't get Ps3 performance figures from this handheld, I do see innovation being their big swing. Your specs are a pretty good shot at what we might get, highlander, but I'm shooting for a new type of battery life.

Having two separate batteries is something I foresee happening here. Creating a shell that'll utilize heat, power and cooling. I've read about concept power sources before and one that intrigued me was capturing human heat to produce energy. Where and how you hold a device will help increase battery life, while obviously increasing held-charge rather than becoming an recharge approach.

If you consider that mobile gaming is very different than any other mobile device, it would make more sense. Phones, for example, have a much smaller contact area and other mobiles like tablet and laptop are even less about holding them. When you have a mobile controller, you are more prone to sweaty palms. This means you're transferring plenty heat, unlike other forms of mobiles.

Secondly, twin batteries. One can full charge while the other full charges and idles until consumption demands more output from the batteries. This, in addition to heat utilization, would enable more power without entirely depleting batteries within a few hours.

I'm not sure that any form of cpu in an mobile device can touch the ps3, but I can see AMD having some involvement with their APU idea.. On an small die with practically no transfer lag, north bridges won't play a significant roll and limited inboard ram will reduce heat. In trade, massive on-chip ram will keep resources flowing freely.

Finally, sony has shown support for nintendos Mobile 3d Idea and wouldn't be shocked to see this on the psp2. 780p is the next move. Even a dual core apu with optimized pipelines can impress, but I'd imagine an 1-1.5 ghz quad core being a reality. The benefit would be ati graphics with amd true quad processors.

This, personally would make for an ultimate ps3 ally in the gaming realm. Where ps3 advancements end, psp 2 can cary that torch for Sony. Obviously, even I feel my guess is excessively ambitious, but why not make this fun? I'm not at a loss here if I'm wrong! :)

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Highlander
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:16:18 AM

I've been waiting for those infra-red based solar cells for a long time. They were announced years ago but I've not yet seen a real product, nor even a sniff of one. Personally I think that a Fuel cell could be more likely since the technology is that much more mature.

Not sure AMD has a look in on this one, they just don't compete in this space. There is a chipset (Freescale make it IIRC) that is PowerPC based and uses some of the key concepts from Cell as well, but the examples I can find of it all use far too much power. If they did a new spin on that design that cut power consumption considerably, it could easily be the quad core Cell like CPU that has been rumored. Personally, I still think that it's more likely to be the Tegra3. ARM is in millions upon millions upon millions of devices, there is a lot of development expertize with the ARM core. Not to mention that Tegra3 has a full blown mobile version of one of the later Geforce series GPUs which will actually perform better than the one in the PS3. Whatever Sony does pick, I would hope that it will be considerably more powerful that the devices in the phones and mainstream tablets.

Regarding Freescale's processors...they use a lot of power in their default configuration, but....who know, perhaps they could be re-done to use less in a mobile situation? Either way, look up Freescale e5500 and Freescale P5020 on Google, or the entire Freescale SoC line - Freescale QorIQ.

Interestingly, Sony is using words like Qricity, so I find it intriguing that Freescale calls it's Power Architecture based SoC line QorIQ....

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Gordo
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 4:59:52 PM
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In Australia, PSP games are as expensive as PS3 games.

I get to the shelves in the store and my choice is either God of War III for the PS3 for AU$69 or Ghost of Sparta for the PSP for AU$65.

MGS4 for the PS3 is AU$30 whilst MSG Peace Walker for the PSP is AU$60.

(1 AU$ = 1 US$).

Obviously the vast majority of people will buy the PS3 game as its of vastly better quality, it comes on a Blu Ray, and it also holds some resale value.

I don't see a new PSP2 improving on its predecessor unless Sony makes the games cheaper and more accessable.
The iPhone has proven that people are only willing to pay "a little a lot" for their mobile gaming.
(The PSP PSN store apps are mostly rubbish).

I haven't bought a PSP game since Gran Turismo and that was only when it was cheap at $20.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:29:17 AM

Where are you shopping? If I buy my games new (and I usually do) PSP games are around $50-70, while PS3 games are anywhere from $88 to $110.

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___________
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 10:05:48 AM

depends which games your looking at.
ps3 games drop very quickly where PSP games dont.
GOW3 and GOW ghost of sparta are more or less the same price which is ridiculous!
most ps3 games release at 100 bucks, most psp games release at 60 or 70 but it does not take long for ps3 games to hit that price.
PSP games on the other hand take a while.

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MadPowerBomber
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 5:07:05 PM
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I hope it has nice, new, cool connectivity things with the PS3.

I love that my handheld and console are friends.

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 5:43:19 PM
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i am never much into the handheld, i find holding it and complete a rpg game for the length like 40-50+ hour hurt my arms. hence, for the psp2, either it is just a mere graphical whore or a total waste of cpu power.

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A2K78
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 7:20:48 PM
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"Not necessarily. Time's have changes since 2006. The tech has gotten cheaper and smaller. Sony is not going to release a $600 handheld. If they do I'll eat my hat."

Its quite obvious you don't understand how things work ecomocially. If anything you sound excactly those who claimed HDTV wouldn't be expensive because the techology was already in use, yet low and behold HDTV began to take off with high prices

In the case of the PSP2, it won't come cheap especially since its roumored to be as powerful as the PS3.

As I have also said in the previous PSP2 discussion, the current economic climate just doesn't favor it because 1)Sony Corp. is still bleeding tons of cash main from its from TV and playstation business and 2)the yen too strong and given the fact that Sony is an exporter a sub $300-500 portable leaves no room for them to make a profit on something that would be exported. For Sony to continue to take a loss from the PS3 which still bleeding the company and a high-end portable gaming system would kill the company for sure.

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Jawknee
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 7:26:43 PM

Oooh, yay, another lecture for our resident clown. Oh, please...educate me with your infinite wisdom of master of economics!

BTW, time's have changed. You can score and LED 3DTV for less than what people were paying for LCD TV's 2 to 3 years ago. So...yea, I do know what I'm talking about. Seems to me you like to make things up. You always come to this site spitting out statements with no proof to back them up.

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tes37
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 9:10:39 PM

Where do you get this false information from, Microsoft? Nothing you say is even remotely close to the truth. Sony isn't going anywhere and they have been making a profit off of the ps3 for a while now.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 10:38:43 PM

Um....well, not that I should really need to point this out, but PS3, PS2 and the gaming division in general is making a healthy profit. Even the sales of PS3 hardware are now either breaking even or making a slight profit. The only element that so far is not, and it's very close is PSN. Since Sony don't charge an access fee for PSN, the fact that it's expected to move into profit this year is nothing short of excellent. Either way, you are sadly mistaken.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, January 16, 2011 @ 2:00:54 AM

I saw an ad for a 50" 3D TV 2 weeks ago going for only $1,599.(forgot which brand).

And BestBuy has had 2 Mitsubishi 3DTV's, a 50" & and a 55", going for $899. & $999. respectively and this was from last October.

So expect huge price wars as all of the manufacturers have brought their own 3D's out.

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A2K78
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 7:21:01 PM
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"Not necessarily. Time's have changes since 2006. The tech has gotten cheaper and smaller. Sony is not going to release a $600 handheld. If they do I'll eat my hat."

Its quite obvious you don't understand how things work ecomocially. If anything you sound excactly those who claimed HDTV wouldn't be expensive because the techology was already in use, yet low and behold HDTV began to take off with high prices

In the case of the PSP2, it won't come cheap especially since its roumored to be as powerful as the PS3.

As I have also said in the previous PSP2 discussion, the current economic climate just doesn't favor it because 1)Sony Corp. is still bleeding tons of cash main from its from TV and playstation business and 2)the yen too strong and given the fact that Sony is an exporter a sub $300-500 portable leaves no room for them to make a profit on something that would be exported. For Sony to continue to take a loss from the PS3 which still bleeding the company and a high-end portable gaming system would kill the company for sure.

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regular14
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 7:29:40 PM
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along with dual sticks, does anyone else really want L2 and R2? i mean, maybe it's not economical but my ps1 games on my psp don't play very well without those buttons.

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regular14
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 7:29:40 PM
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along with dual sticks, does anyone else really want L2 and R2? i mean, maybe it's not economical but my ps1 games on my psp don't play very well without those buttons.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 7:31:29 PM
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Yea make it all powerful all you want Sony, we just don't want it to be over-priced.

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b3mike
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 9:15:16 PM
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$600 dollar price tag lol

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Snaaaake
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 9:41:35 PM

That's overkill.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 11:01:18 PM

It's not really overkill considering the cost of things like the iPads. However, I think you're looking at a $400 price at the very most, with $300 or less more likely. Here's why;

When the original PSP launched at $249.99. Do you know how much a PS2 cost at the time? $179.99. The PSP was $70 more than a PS2 at the time it launched. With inflation and what not, I believe that the price premium for being a 'new' device over and above the 4 year old PS3 is no more than $100. That would put a PSP2 at the most at $400. However they are talking about a Holiday 2011 release. I think that the PS3 may undergo a price reduction of $50 by that time. In which case I don't think that the PSP2 will come in at more than $350. Psychologically People don't want to pay significantly more than the cost of a PS3. However, all the technology in the PSP2 comes with a price tag. From that point of view I think that a $50 differential would be bearable for most launch time buyers. In which case the price will be $300.

If the PS3 doesn't get the $50 reduction I expect, I still think that the PSP2 will hit the streets at $300, simply to match the 3DS.

However, here is something we have to be aware of. iPad. Do you have any idea what an iPad with 16GB of internal storage and WiFi? $499.99. The 3G/4G capable models are another $130-$200 on top of that. But, it only costs Apple $270 to put an iPad together (probably less than that by now). And yet people buy the iPad like it is some kind of Holy relic imbued with the power of God. It's just a tablet computer, nothing more, nothing less.

Now, considering that the PSP2 will be physically smaller than the iPad, people will expect it to be a bit less expensive. But truly, if people are willing to shell out $500/$700 for a glorified PDA, why wouldn't they shell out $300/$400 for a state of the art gaming/media/pad? Sony is pretty much getting shafted before the PSP2 even launches because people are so price conscious when it comes to Sony products. Why? Sony typically makes very high quality products. Does Apple get a free pass because they made the iFawn? of the iPass? That's ridiculous. People need to life the perception filters from their eyes and start looking at this from the point of view of reality.

Even if Sony brings the PSP2 to market at $300 it will more than likely be sold at a loss initially. The PSP2 will include more processor power and at least the same capabilities as those in high end mobiles and the iPad. It could cost much more than the iPad to build - initially. Contrast that with the iPad costing $270 to make and selling for anything up to $500. Sony could easily justify a $400 price tag depending on the configuration of the PSP2, and yet people here and elsewhere will castigate them for doing so, accusing them of gouging customers or forcing technology down our throats. What a load of crap.

Sony's aware of this and will move heaven and earth to get this thing in at a reasonable price, but don't expect them to sell it at a large loss. As usual, people's expectation has them wanting far more for far less than possible, and reacting badly when that expectation is not met.

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Qubex
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:30:43 AM

Price issue is going to be an issue, but for the geeks that want it now... it won't make a difference...

Hackers will be working overtime as well, I am sure of it!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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___________
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 10:09:45 AM

600 completley overkill, but 400 is fair i think, maybe even 450.
obviously depending what it offers, but if it really is as powerful as a ps3, which i seriously doubt, than 100 bucks more than a ps3 is a bargain!
considering its portable and comes with a HD screen.

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RebelJD
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 10:19:46 PM
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I'm glad to hear that the PSP2 may be revealed in the next couple of weeks. I'm also glad it'll have a physical media format...that's a huge plus. If they want to go for amazing, it'll be mini-bluray discs.

I can't wait to see all the features it'll come with. This is going to be sweet.

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StangMan80
Thursday, January 13, 2011 @ 10:55:41 PM
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If only the PSP2 and PSPhone was the same divise. I'm loving the sound of the PSP2 but I'm more interested in the PSPhone.

I don't see this being priced low enough to be purchase for me. My PS3 will get all my gaming time this year and a new phone is more important right now.

I am loving the PSP2 but have no idea of what to expect with the PSphone.

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___________
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:33:44 AM
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yup and pigs fly backwards!
no, seriously it is IMPOSSIBLE for a handheld to be as powerful as the PS3!
and they want it to be a phone at the same time?
why not ask it to cook your dinner, collect the washing and wash the car while your at it?
im sorry, but if the PSP2 is as powerful as the ps3 i swear to god ill eat my hat!

seriously, IF you were able to get hardware that could deliver that performance, and IF you were able to get the heat issues solved.
it would have the battery life of a toshiba X500!
which is actually about 30 minutes, no joke i charge my laptop up 100% unplug the cable and 30 or so minutes later its flat.
not to mention the price would be through the roof!
if the ps3 released at 1000 bucks than imagine what this, a smaller more expensive device would cost!
dont forget its suppose to have a HD screen that will add allot to the price, heat, power debacle.

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Zorigo
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:09:10 AM
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I think... im in :)
but i seriously need to hear these specs and most importantly, pricing. 100 to me, would be reasonable.
im not saying i have a 100, im a student, i spend all the money i have every weekend, but ill get the money :P

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WolfCrimson
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:38:05 AM
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Well, I'm happy that it's kinda far off, so that I don't have to worry about having wasted money buying my PSP-3000 last month.

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CrazyIrishBoy
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 3:24:07 PM
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Ill be waiting till its cracked....

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Highlander
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:15:14 PM

In that case, you deserve this.

Jerk.

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baseballdude_ [Administrator]
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 3:47:15 PM
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Not a chance. Unless the PSP2 is going to be the size of a laptop, there's no way it would have a proper video card and the necessary fans.

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LividFiction
Sunday, January 16, 2011 @ 11:48:17 AM
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Didn't Sony say the PSP would be as powerful as the PS2? Look how that turned out. Don't get me wrong, PSP's a great handheld, but Sony's power claims proved to be well-exaggerated.

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AbsoluteZer0
Sunday, January 16, 2011 @ 9:10:46 PM
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One of my major questions would be whether we really need a handheld that can(given the small screen size) replicate, or look as good as, a high-end PS3 game. I'm not sure I'm willing to pay the price for such a machine, especially when it comes to battery life. Wouldn't it be better to give the graphics a marginal boost but look a little bit more into the battery life and cost? Please take this with a lump of salt as it's coming from someone who doesn't mind the graphics on the current PSP and still enjoys a good game of Smash Bros. on his Wii...

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Nynja
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:48:00 PM
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I believe the unit will offer 2 media formats:

Micro SD -and- M2 (Memory Stick Pro Micro)

Who knows which will be used for games but I believe they will do away with discs and move over to memory cards.

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monkeypunch
Monday, January 31, 2011 @ 2:25:02 PM
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Come on guys, when has Sony ever exaggerated??? ;)

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