Vita's Biggest Problem: Price Or Lack Of Available AAA Software?

cve312
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 10:14:25 PM
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Well for me at this current time, its just a matter of low funds, i see alot of games that id most definitely play on the Vita, i just dont have the funs to buy the Vita, but i did, oh yeah, id buy one asap.

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godsman
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:34:07 PM

Watching Youtube on the Vita's screen was a blast. You will not disappoint. Only issue I see is the memory card prices.

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firesoul453
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:31:48 AM

Yes I agree. I know parents who won't buy them for their kids because its linked to one account. And on top of that the memory is still very expensive.

I have a 4 gig chip it came with and bought an 8 gig chip, with no music or movies they are both full. 8 gigs isn't much and is very expensive.

Its definitely not a cheap device either. A tablet costs less, often has more memory and can overall do way more. Ofcourse it won't have the AAA titles the vita has but most people don't see it that way.

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eatatjoes
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 9:54:58 AM

well it can't do WAY more, because the vita has a pretty solid set of features, tilt just like a tablet, except it is 6 axis and not 4, touch pad in the back touch screen thumbsticks wifi 3g etc, it is on par if not better than tablets at that price range. i will agree though the memory is entirely to much. i bought the 8gb and filled it in an hour with games. i mean playstation plus alone offers you ~8gb of games and that is without you buying a single one of them.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:23:56 PM

If you mean other tablets besides apple, yes they are less. Apple products sell more than other tablets put together. It is a sheep mentality. They complain that these things costs a lot and yet they go out every year to buy their iPad.

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firesoul453
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 2:10:14 PM

Yes I understand the value of the vita, but its hard to get people to understand when they are compairimg it to a $200 nexus 7 that comes with 16 gigs built in and has somewhere like 10,000 -50,100 apps to the vitas maybe you 200 a viable pieces of software

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JoebooSauce
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 3:01:06 PM

The memory prices really irk me and have kept me from buying the Vita. I want to have many games on the card as well as my media. (Sony is marketing this as a multimedia device.)

I think it really shows how out of touch Sony is when they charge $60 for 16GB. I saw USB that size for $7. I paid $85 for a 2TB external a year ago on BF. I don't care if it REALLY even did cost that much to make. Who cares if people won't buy it. It's very ill conceived.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 10:24:43 PM
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lack of software and the usual hate campaign. If you remember when the price originally announced, Sony was lauded for making it an affordable system, and yet by the time of the launch, somehow that perception had changed to a clarion call for price reduction - prior to launch even. People were decrying it as a failure before launch, it's almost a case of wish fulfillment for a certain group of people.

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Phoenix
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:09:03 PM

The Vita itself is priced right around where it should be, and I think most dont have too much issue with this, the memory cards on the other hand are way overpriced for the size you are getting, and this is where I, and many others, take issue with the Vita.

You've gotta figure, a lot of people would want a 32GB card, for movies, games, music, and that stuff takes up a lot of room, so 32GB is really the only way to go if you plan to use your Vita for more then just 1 or 2 games, and I really cant blame them for not wanting to commit another $100 just for a 32GB card. Ofcourse, this is only part of the problem that's holding the Vita back, lack of software is another problem, no true BC is another, heck you could even blame some of it on competition with the 3DS/tablets/smartphones.

Sony needs to do something to make the Vita attractive to consumers, and I think with the current software we have for it right now, a price drop is really the only route they have to take.

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godsman
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:28:08 PM

@TheHighlander

I completely agree that it's a software issue. There are too many games even in the PSP era, where the portable versions are half the qualities of the PS3 counterpart. Uncharted was an exception, but still can't compare with the PS3 version. I preordered my Vita and i have yet to find another game to play on it.

@Phoenix,

Most frustrating thing about the memory cards is that there 32gb microSD are a third of that price. I can't justify to purchase this at all. I felt like a sucker just buying the 16gb.

You make a good point with BC. One reason i think Nintendo's handhelds are always successful is because of BC. There is a limited hardcore/casual gamers out there. To sell them the new gen system, you will have to expect them to upgrade and abandon their old system. Why would anyone buy your Vita if you lack games. I certainly wouldn't want to repurchase the PSP library.

Sony gave you all the options to play PSP games as DL. but when you do the math, you will have to buy the game again and then buy another memory card for the premium price. It's not worth playing the old games anymore.

(Thumbs up for the PS+ game collections though.)

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cLoudou
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 10:30:09 PM
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Combination of both but there are a lot of good games, just few that appeal to the casual crowd. Price is also a hurdle, plus the price of the memory cards on top of that.

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bebestorm
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 10:52:38 PM
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Ive always said Vita lacks the games that appeal to me... Gravity Rush and Liberation look great but not worth spending 400 for two games. Vita needs original jrpgs and I'll get it in a heartbeat.

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Phoenix
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:11:04 PM

Indeed, more JRPGs, and a Monster Hunter game or 2 and I'd snatch it up pretty quick, despite the overpriced memory.

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godsman
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:31:42 PM

One problem is that developers won't make the jump for large titles until there is enough systems out there. No one wants to be the trojan horse and push the system. The system won't sell without good games. Which makes us stuck in a loop.

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Phoenix
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:44:07 PM

This is true, a vicious cycle, but it's on Sony to get the Vita flying off the shelves, and they seem unwilling to do what needs to be done.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:01:38 AM

Well I see your point. My brother recently bought his from amazon. The 170 bundle. Came with both liberation and all stars. He's actually getting mileage out of his small card. It just depends on your commitment. The music I listen to comes from music unlimited instead of filling up my card full of my own music. It wouldn't be enough because I have over 70gbs full of music on my laptop. I say take the plunge and get a bundle and if you have yet to play persona 4, yes I know a port, you should definitely get it!

Cheers :)

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cLoudou
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:10:29 AM

*cough* P4G *cough*

Not original but still great, nonetheless. Currently the highest rated Vita game

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bebestorm
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:43:11 AM

Yeah it will take awhile for the system to grow with 3rd parties so I'll probably own a Vita in 3yrs unless Dissidia 3 or BBS comes before then. I still own P4(ps2).

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Norrin Radd
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 10:57:54 PM
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Games sell systems. End of story.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:43:50 PM
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FYI,
If you're looking for a 16GB Vita memory card for almost $15 cheaper than the regular price, I just posted a better deal on it, for only $45.

Just go into the forum, click on the "Gaming Discussion" link, then click on the last page of the "Good deals for gamers" thread.
It's posted at the bottom of the page.

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sawao_yamanaka
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 @ 11:58:50 PM

Nice bikersaint. I've been needing an excuse to get a new card. Now to convince my girlfriend :p.

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pillz81
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:01:11 AM

::insert cracking bull-whip sound HERE::

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:26:33 PM

Insert here I'm unemployed and we are living in the bare minimum sound here -_-

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kraygen
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:03:53 AM
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I'd say it's a combination of the two, not just price for the vita, but for the games too. While the vita is priced right for what you get it's still a lot to pay at once for a vita and then new games costing $40 a piece.

Plus on vita helps, but in reality there aren't that many of any particular genre available for the system. The truth is most people have a preference and if there's only a couple of games in their favorite genre they won't see a need to buy the system.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:04:38 AM
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Hmmm, could be because of no b/c for PSP?
I'm just saying could be though, I still see people carrying a PSP everywhere instead of a VITA, I can see 10 PSP a day yet only 1 VITA every 3 days.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 7:21:51 AM

The PSP has been available roughly 10x as long as the Vita.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 10:16:22 AM

Also, there is b/c for PSP on the Vita. It's not 100% but they have a good number of PSP games available now.

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pillz81
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:04:50 AM

That's as downloads that you have to purchase again. It's a sore point with many PSP gamers.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:43:31 PM

Oh, yes, the UMDs, good point. Yeah, that is not fair for anyone that owns the UMDs. They should have an exchange program in place with Gamestop and other retailers.

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:52:49 AM
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You can't just dismiss your third alternative, "The rapid expansion and proliferation of mobile gaming", Ben, cause that is dismissing the entire core of the problem here.

The problem is *not* the price. People are used to pay a lot for small gadgets today - more so than before.
The problem is that people don't want to pay that much for *this* gadget. And why is that? Because they don't want it enough. That's the problem! When people first want something, it's crazy what they are willing to pay in order to get it. So it's not the price.

It would of course help with a lot more titles, it always would, but it's not that easy. If people believed in the product, if they felt they needed it, they would have bought it. But they don't. And that takes us to your point number three, quoted above.

Back in the days of the PSP, I went and got me one. Of course I did - it was such a cool little thing - you could even surf the web with it! At cafes with free wi-fi I could read my mail and check my employers message board! I could play music and watch videos on it! And I could play games on it. Not Snakes or Tetris on a stamp sized mobile screen, but real 3D computer games in full colour and animation. And the prices of those games were fair too - after all, all I had to compare them with were console and PC games.

It was always with me on travels. There was no real alternatives for me since that Nintendo thing looked way too childish, so there you go: It was the PSP or nothing. *Nothing*.

Today it's a *completely* different reality. And it is this reality that bites Vita in the arse. Vita is the wrong product at the wrong time. Not even Sony can create a market that is no longer there.

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Dukemz_UK
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 7:51:23 AM

Gotta agree with you there Beamboom, you can't ignore the fact that people are spending money on alternative gadgets, like tablets. If CoD BO Declassified was even a 7/10 vita game, I could see so much more pressure being put on parents to get this for their kids for Xmas or birthdays or whatever. (Dad can I have a ... for Xmas?)
Unfortunately, today every kid wants an ipad / iphone because it's "cool".

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 10:23:11 AM

Wow Beamboom you are so wrong. I am surprised at how wrong you are. Actually, I am not since I have not read one positive typed word from you in regards to the Vita since it's release. So, not sure why I am replying to your post, it's waste of my time. Anyways, go to vgchartz com and look at the 3DS sales. I know right! 23.1 Million! It's unbelievable how many 3DS have sold. 23.1 million sold with all these mobile phones and Ipads cutting into sales. #3 has nothing to do with console handheld sales.

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:01:48 AM

Crusader, if you choose to buy my arguments or not is entirely up to you of course. And I know we can disagree without any of us taking it personal.

But the way I see it is that the 3DS has a quite different target audience, and that makes all the difference. The 3DS reach out to a younger market than the Vita. The part of the market who don't own a smart-phone or want a tablet for Christmas, or are into "iOs", "Android" or what's hot'n'not right now.

Let me ask you this; If you had a small kid you wanted to buy a handheld gaming device to, and you put all brand preferences aside, what would you buy: A 3DS or a Vita?

But one thing I'd like to state at the end here: This is not a question about being "pro" or "con" the Vita. This is an ever returning problem with discussing anything Sony on this site: It becomes a question of being "with or against Sony". Having a "second agenda" or be a "hater" or "troll". This is not about that at all.

You seem to want me to write positive things about the Vita. Well, sure, I can do that, but it would be irrelevant!

The topic here is that Vita struggle, and struggle hard. WHY? And that is what I respond to.
It's not cause of the hardware, cause that looks to be absolutely splendid. It's not cause of the capabilities as a gaming machine, cause that is likewise top notch. The design is typical Sony, ergo excellent. It looks darn good. It's not even the price, as I stated. The price is, objectively speaking, right. So there you go, some positive words about the Vita from me.

But what can I say... I am merely responding to the question. And the problems of the Vita is obviously not due to its strengths, ergo taking about those would be irrelevant.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:17:29 AM

I didn't dismiss it. I dismissed it for the sake of the article to focus on one of two possibilities.

We all know the mobile expansion has hurt the Vita. The only point I made is that because it's a unit designed specifically for the hardcore gamer, it would automatically appeal to the hardcore more than any smartphone or tablet. If you give any avid gamer a choice between a Vita and basically any other handheld device that isn't dedicated to gaming, they're not going to take the silly smartphone. Not ever.

The only reason it's a problem is just because people don't want to carry two or three different units around. Because the Vita only does gaming, it's a problem. I didn't say otherwise; I was merely clarifying.

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Dukemz_UK
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:45:46 AM

If we take Ben's point '3' out of the equation, then I'm sure a very well publicised and marketed price drop would make a huge difference. I already see online vendors offering 25% off specials, so I don't see how an official price drop could hurt.
Oh, and to clarify: I OWN and LOVE my Vita!

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:13:53 PM

@Duke & Ben: But that's kinda my point, we *can't* take it out of the equation cause it's neither the price nor the lack of AAA software that is the *core* of the problem here (all according to my reasoning of course).

In other words, if they halved the price and doubled the amount of AAA titles, I believe that would have lead to just a highly temporary boost in sales because the audience - including the hardcore gamers - is not on the market for this kind of product at this day and age. That kinda renders the two other alternatives dead, if you catch my drift.

Had it been so easy as to cut the price or boost the triple A's or pump a lot more into marketing, well then this would have merely been a temporary headache for Sony. But I highly doubt it's enough.

Sadly, and tragically for Sony, but I suspect we will get the answer to all these questions as soon as within the next couple of years. I doubt there will be titles of any significance released for the Vita two years from now, and the platform for all practical purposes will be dead soon after.
Such is my sad predictions, and this is *not* something I say out of hate, but pure observations.

Only time will tell if I am right, and you may quote me on this come 2015/16 - I will happily stand corrected. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:12:58 PM

You've got it backwards, Beamboom. You're thinking the Vita was made for the mobile market, not the gaming market. That's incorrect. If it released at a lower price and with all sorts of software, the hardcore gamers would've responded almost indefinitely. The PSP started slow, too, and it ended up selling a LOT more than people would've ever anticipated, because the price came down and the software started flowing.

The Vita is for gamers, not mobile gamers. And there's a huge distinction. I know it seems odd because the Vita IS portable, but Sony is going after a very different audience. That audience doesn't give two sh*** about what smartphone or mobile gaming does in the next few years, because they're relatively convinced it won't measure up to what the Vita can do. And gamers only care about games (and price). Not what ELSE a device can do.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:26:36 PM

BeamBoom,

Fair enough, I will leave it at that.

As far as my son is concerned I would not buy him a 3DS over a Vita. My son is 5 this month and my wife and I have already decided that come Christmas 2013 he will receive a Vita. We'll have a great time playing the LEGO games, PSASBR, Sonic Racing, Rayman Origins and LBP via adhoc COOP. My son has a Leap Pad 2 for any educational games.

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Beamboom
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 2:39:41 PM

@Ben: No. I'm thinking Vita was made for the *market*. I'm not narrowing it down more than that. And the market (the gamers, obviously) has responded. What I am discussing is why they have responded the way they have.

I am a gamer. More than that, I am a gamer that has owned and loved a portable gaming machine, the PSP.
Now, the million dollar question is: Why am I and other gamers with me not interested in the Vita? Just, why? What's happened?

And to find *that* answer, we must look elsewhere than the price. The price could theoretically have held me back from actually buying it, but not from *wanting* it. That is a significant difference, and *that* is the problem here: Most gamers don't CARE about the Vita.

Why do so many of us not care any more, when we used to care for a similar product years ago? What has changed in this picture?
That's where I am getting at.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 3:45:45 PM

If you're a gamer, than it's because there's a lack of software. There just aren't enough titles on the Vita to interest you yet. That's the only explanation.

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Beamboom
Friday, December 07, 2012 @ 2:51:22 AM

Oh come on, dude. You've yourself stated that you're not into portable gaming even if there are titles that interest you (turnbased rpgs).

The lack of software can't be the *only* explanation. It's just one theory. And according to that theory all gamers should then own all major gaming platforms, and we know that is not true.

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Pandacastro
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 2:38:28 AM
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I blame the lack of advertisements. The only time I ever saw an ad was for that CoD game. Also think they should focus more on the vita and less on the ps3 with first party support.

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:49:03 PM

yep, as a whole M$ is taking all action and Sony needs to butt in more.

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___________
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 4:07:51 AM
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many many reasons, but not those two.
the biggest problem with the vita, is exactly the biggest problem with the wiiu.
it feels outdated!
there are so many things phones, the 3DS, tablets can do, hell even the f*cking PSP, that the vita cant!
whole point of a new product is to support old features, and new ones.
not support only new features, and useful cool things old devices had are thrown out the window!
tablets and the PSP for instance could be connected to the TV to play games on that, a feature i used ALLOT with my PSP GO!
another feature i really miss the pause game feature so you could pause the game, go play something else, than return where you left off.

the vita feels really outdated, it cant do allot of stuff the competition can, and it really does not have a LOOK AT ME feature!
the 3DS has its no glasses 3D, and iconic nintendo franchises.
the ipad has its infinite apps and raw power, did you know the ipad 4 actually scores HIGHER benchmarks than the vita?
the ipad 4 is MORE powerful than a dedicated gaming device, how pathetic!
what does the vita have to suck customers in?
dual sticks?
the 3DS has the gamepad PRO for that, and most android phones and tablets have applications and controllers for that.
so no.
rear touch pad?
really, is that going to get you to go splash 300+ bucks on something?
i dont think so!
there really is not a single thing that will make people go out and buy a vita, its heavily relying on its software and that is really lacking ATM so it has nothing!

as ive always said with the ps4, people will pay a premium for a product if they feel its worth it.
so no the price is not the problem, the software is not the problem, the vita would still be selling well despite those handicaps, if it actually had something else, something it could wave in front of the customers face and say no one else offers this!
as ive always said the vita would not be in the position it is if it did not have these pain in the a$$ annoyances.
you cant hook it up to the TV, you cant run multiple games, you cant do 99% of things other competitor devices can.
put it this way, why would you pay 300 dollars on x music player that can decode only MP4, when you could spend same money on x music player which can decode much more?
thats the problem with the vita, it does not offer half the amount of abilities its competitors do.
in this market you either A offer EVERYTHING, or B offer only a few things but do them so well the limitations dont matter.
thats vitas problem, it does neither.
it does not offer everything, and it does not do anything so well its lack of features dont matter.
everything about it is meh.

the high price point and lack of software would not matter if it did something unique, if it had a card to wave around and say no one can offer this.
but it doesent, and that is why its selling so poorly!
same goes for the wiiu, its just like the vita its heavily relying on its software to sell it.
and im not so sure thats enough to carry it and make it a worthwhile system to support for 5+ years.

another problem you have to think of is time.
chances are 99% of the people who would be interested in a vita already own a ps3, and a sort of smartphone.
so that brings 2 problems, 1 why buy a vita when your smartphone does so much more and you already have it!
2 would you have enough time to use the device?
thats another problem allot of people ignore.
chances are 99% of people would only use the vita outdoors, if your at home you would be using your ps3.
are you outdoors long enough that you would use the vita enough to warrant a purchase?
and why spend money on said purchase when your phone already does everything the vita does and more?
if you could connect the vita to your TV, i could see allot more people using it at home but you cant.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 9:49:27 AM

I don't agree with all aspects of your post. The Vita does a lot of things better than other platforms. For one it has dual analog sticks. The Nintendo Circle Pad Pro is ridiculous. It adds a second stick in a awkward area. So right there you can see the Vita offers something other systems don't offer. Twin sticks in the proper place. Also, the Circle Pad Pro doesn't work for all 3DS games.

The OLED screen is amazing and I shouldn't have to say anything about this unbelievable screen.

It has Always-On technology which is fantastic and allows me to play a game and then press the Playstation button to pause the game, turn the screen off and then come back later and start right back up where I left off. This was a god send for me while I was playing P3P, Uncharted and Gravity Rush. You know what, it's been a god send for every Vita, PSP and PS1 game I have played. Right now, actually from last night I am in the middle of fighting a boss in Ragnarok Odyssey which I cannot fight right now so it's paused and waiting for me to continue later on today.

Cross Play and Cross Save which I know Nintendo is now getting into but is still a great feature. I enjoy PSASBR more on my Vita than on my PS3.

PSP and PS1 compatibility! This is huge as it opens gamers up to an already huge library of games! You want Monster Hunter, well you have it, just download Monster Hunter Freedom Unite. Next time I play Final Fantasy VII will be on my Vita. What a great feature this is that no other handheld platform has!

Remote Play when and if it is more widely implemented. God of War II is so much fun on my Vita! When I get to ICO and SotC I will play it on my Vita as well. I wish they would do more with Remote Play so I guess you could say so far Sony has failed with Remote Play.

Graphics on this handheld are great if not the best for a handheld. It's not fair to compare the Vita to the Ipad since Apple releases a new version every year. So of course the Ipad going to be better. For $729.99 the Apple Ipad 32GB is ridiculously over priced so it better have more power under the hood. A Vita 32GB is only $350. Am I missing something here! It's over half the price!!! Also, Sony is selling the Vita at a loss and trying to make up some of those losses with memory card sales.

Playing the Vita on the big screen is a bummer omition. But it is a handheld and is supposed to be played on the small screen on the go. So you really cannot knock Sony for removing that feature. For the tech they offer they had to omit something to lower costs.

This is a dedicated gaming machine similar to the X360, Wii and PS3. This is not an android device. That is another huge system seller for me. I can get the franchises I love and play them on the go.

Sony is just the victim of a lot of hate mongering as well. Sony has done a lot of good and creative things yet those hate mongers never mention any of it. But people like you only focus on the bad and don't always get it right. You might want to try focusing on the positive instead of focusing on the negative.

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riptide8
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:40:20 PM

Im with crusader on this one. I enjoy all points he covered. I was one of those,"I have a smart phone why VITA?"I can tell you ever since UPS dropped this off,everything else has been turned off.AC3,PS4,Gravity rush and uncharted golden taking up the time. The VITA lacks some features and the 16 gig card was a little tough on the wallet, but im very happy with the purchase. I think we will see it grow.If not my 7 year old will make good use of it.

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___________
Friday, December 07, 2012 @ 10:52:54 AM

in the right spot, ah yes a total sound argument to go splash 300+ bucks on a device!
two sticks in the right place, christ dude if you went into a marketing meeting with that crap you would be laughed out the door!
plus mobile phones now have stands out there that let you plug them into your DS3 controller and use that to control your games, so no the vita is not the only portable device with dual sticks in the right spot.

as for the ps1 and PSP emulation, you do realise theres PSX and PSP emulators out there for pretty much every android phone right?
exactly the reason why i ended up selling my go, i was using it exclusively to play ps1 games but my S3 does that just fine so i sold it.

exactly my point, EVERYTHING the vita does other devices do.
and other devices do many things the vita cant.

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Ishkur
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 5:15:49 AM
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For me, it's got the same problem every smartphone out there has, and why I won't convert; it's battery life. :)

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 8:57:13 AM

? Battery life on the Vita is very good. I can play about 5 hours on my Vita before I need to plug it in. Also, the Always-On technology is amazing! I haven't shut my Vita off in about 3 months now. How much battery life do you think a hardcore handheld should have?

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ChaseHammer
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 10:36:21 AM

Battery Life is NOT an issue at all. I leave my Vita on for days and still has plenty to go. If i was playing straight hours you are good for 5-6 hours before the low battery message comes up.

Try playing on your phone straight and see how long it lasts.

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pillz81
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:52:43 AM

Even on an ipod touch you can get only about 30 minutes of play on some games, so I don't understand your point Ishkur.

Last edited by pillz81 on 12/6/2012 11:53:25 AM

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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:52:54 PM

5-6 hours is good, that's like flying from west to east coast of the US nonstop.

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Ishkur
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 2:24:43 PM

I'm aware this isn't an issue for alot of people, but for me it isn't alright. It's not better than my psp, and I that just isn't enough for me. Each to his own I guess :)

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 3:19:50 PM

That's fine, but remember the Vita is way more powerful than the PSP. So you are going to need more power which lessens the battery. For what you get with the Vita you have admit 5-6hours of gaming is pretty impressive.

Question, I have never owned the PSP, what is the battery life for it?

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Ishkur
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 4:23:22 PM

No, I agree with that, but I'm not impressed though. Batteries seem to be lagging behind when it comes to tech, and frankly, that's what you would want from a handheld, besides everything else, good battery life. I dno, I guess I'm just waiting on some hyper-core-battery invention.

The battery for my psp is around 5-6 hours, and pro-tip: its AWESOME for emulators! :D

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Wrote
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 7:27:00 AM
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For me its the lack of a system seller. Sure if I had one there are a few games I'd get, but it really needs one or 2 great or amazing games. Problem is; devs won't make games for an low install base, potential customers won't buy it if there's no games and the cycle just repeats itself. The only real way out is if Sony bites the bullet and has a price drop asap! And they should also bitr the bullet and either make their own must have game or pay devs money to make games for it. Another problem is so far we get smaller versions of console games, what I want are new vita ips and a few original games from existing franchises, examples include: an infamous game, a final fantasy, a red dead, a GTA, a Bethesda game, a _____ souls game from from software, a mgs game.. even ports of existing games would be Ok, say fallout 3 port or skyrim, rdr, GTA 5 infamous 2, mgs ground zeros, and how about a ni no kuni port?.. and I'd kill for dark souls on the go. And for the love of god, JRPGs!

Long story short a price drop. The 3ds didn't take off until Nintendo dropped he price. When a potential handheld buyer goes to a store 9 times out of 10 a person is gonna get the 3ds, its cheaper and has imo better games.

~Wrote

Last edited by Wrote on 12/6/2012 7:33:31 AM

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 8:52:36 AM
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The Vita is priced right for the tech under the hood. There are plenty of great games. But killer games for me may not be killer games for other gamers.

I believe it's the price, maybe not the $250 price tag but the price of the memory cards. It's not mobile gaming because all you have to do is take one look at the 3DS sales figures which are amazing!

Cut the price of the memory cards in half and get a huge mainstream game on the Vita and it will take off. Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy or Resident Evil would do it. Here's the catch, these AAA games have to, HAVE TO be AAA quality games. I am thoroughly enjoying ACIIIL and think it's an impressive game on a handheld. So I think they did a great job with ACIIIL. There are a lot of critics that don't think they did a great job on ACIIIL. CoD, no, they failed miserably. If they would have given it to a proven studio and gave them another 6 months and actually called it BOII Declassified with Zombies the Vita would have exploded. Killzone Mercenary could be that killer game, but it is exclusive. They need a game that X360, Nintendo and Playstation gamers are hooked on. A multiplatform juggernaut that cannot be bought anywhere else. P4G is great but it also has been on a prior console.

I know it's a marathon not a sprint. But they need to take Vita games more seriously.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 9:00:11 AM
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Very true on your statement. The funny thing about it is that those few people that complain about pricing go out and buy and iPhone every year or an iPad. It is true that they have $1 games on those systems but they aren't very good. Also, others complaining about the lack of memory when the 3ds also comes with 4 gig memory card with the system. Just one is priced a bit higher, but you do get quality with the vita. I'm loving liberation it is a pretty good game :).

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 9:53:50 AM

I agree with you. I always agree with you! LOL! I am loving ACIIIL but have stopped playing it as I fear the save game bug will hit me. Ubisoft is working on a patch so when that patch comes out I will finish it.

People don't say anything about the 3DS and their memory cards because they are cheaper and Nintendo already did a price cut. The 3DS isn't even worth $169.99. They really skimped on a lot of tech as they did with the WiiU. They had a chance to right the ship with the XL and failed with that as well. The big screen is awesome but why not incorporate the Circle Pad Pro into the 3DS XL and have twin sticks in non-awkward location!!!?

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:34:50 PM

I kind of keep everything on the cloud with plus. So if for whatever reason it gets screwed up I'll just download my save from the cloud lol. Luckily enough I have yet to have that problem *knocks on wood*. I do enjoy the 3DS but not anywhere close to the vita. The lack of a few things missing from the system. I kept thinking that when the new revision was released that we were gonna have two analogs and yet it didn't happen. So you have to buy something extra and like you have said before not all games support it. It defeats the purpose in them trying to compete with the vita and both analogs.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 3:27:40 PM

Duuuhhh, LOL, I should do the same thing with ACIIIL! Obviously wasn't thinking about having my saves already on the cloud. Thanks for the tip as I am itching to play ACIIIL.

I know, the 3DS XL was such an exciting idea. I was like could Nintendo actually do it right this time. Unfortunately no. I am not a Nintendo hater, I just don't agree with the direction they have taken.

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slugga_status
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 9:41:54 AM
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Handhelds just don't appeal to me to be honest. Vita had me intrigued though but the price is just too high for me. It would be justifiable if there were some good games and far more memory included. Yet with the lack of those essentials along with the price just further confirmed why I stay away from handhelds. Besides, money dropped on a Vita could be money I can put aside for a next gen console..

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 10:09:17 AM

I hear this all the time. All I can say is if you buy a Vita Wifi bundle with a game and 4GB card for $250 you can make it work. You can even make a 4GB card work with the IGC! You just have to play one game at a time. Or if you are half way through a game and want to try Gravity Rush for instance, you can then just backup your saved games up to the cloud, delete the game and download the new game you are interested in. Every Vita game will fit on the 4GB memory card. Of course you have to be a PS+ member to utilize the cloud saves. But with all the free PS3 and Vita games Sony offers who isn't a PS+ member by now. Also, a lot of these bundles offer 3 months or a 1 year PS+ membership free. I can respect your opinion, just wanted to give you some more facts and information. It's really not as expensive as you think.

Last edited by CrusaderForever on 12/6/2012 10:09:39 AM

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slugga_status
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:18:06 AM

You know, I saw that on the PS Store when checking if any new games were available for Plus members. Think I saw about 5 free Vita downloads. I didn't check out the size of the download though. Sounds like you've been through the method you stated a few times. So I trust your opinion in regards to that.

Personally I just rather not do all of that just to continue to play. I also don't like deleting the free games I get from Plus either. Having a tough time doing that on my PS3 itself b/c I pretty much snag everything possible. Given what you said I guess it just comes down to price for me then. I'm weary of dropping $250 on a handheld when I know a new Xbox or PS4 will be releasing soon

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:53:20 PM

Fair enough, some more information, not sure if you know this or not. You can pseudo download all PS3 and Vita IGC games without actually downloading them. Right before you actually download you cancel and the purchased Playstation red icon will appear next to it showing you now own that game as long as your a PS+ member.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 10:16:56 AM
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For me in my current financial state, it's the price. Specifically the memory cards. After I'd buy a bundle plus the 32GB memory card I'm spending well over $300 on a new system.

Speaking for the majority, I think that it's a combination of all 3 of the reasons Ben listed. Specifically, I don't think there is a market for this type of product as big as Sony would like to think. It's marketed as "console-quality games on the go" but yet it's biggest holiday titles (AC Liberation and CoD Blops) are not even as good (and in CoD case, no where near as good) as their console counter parts. I think people are content paying LESS for a Xbox 360 or PS3 system than they are shelling out more for a portable system. I think Sony has done an awful job at marketing the Vita and estimating how the market would react to such a powerful piece of hardware.

Casual gamers aren't going to care much about what's under the hood of a Vita if the price was about the same for 360 and PS3 bundles this past Black Friday.

Add in the fact taht most people that play portable games just do it on their phones and you have a system that just might not do as well as expected.

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JoebooSauce
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 2:46:14 PM

Total agreement with you. I thought it was premature of Sony to come out with this device especially with their problems with the PSP. Mobile gaming is completely different than it was 5 years ago and the Vita hasn't factored this in.

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ChaseHammer
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 10:29:56 AM
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I think its probably $50 more expensive than most people would consider and also the memory card <s>scam</s> prices are too high.

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Monkeysnarf
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 10:36:17 AM
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I would have bought one if I wanted it. I paid over $800 for my girlfriends iPad. If there was a reason to buy a Vita, I would have bought one. Although, the price of the memory does piss me off. Perhaps enough not to buy on principle, but there is still no reason to get a vita so even if they dropped the price of the memory sticks, I'm still not buying one.

There's no time when I would use a Vita. I wouldn't pull it out while waiting to be seated. I wouldn't pull it out in any scenario that I'd pull out my iPhone instead. Even on a plane I'd rather watch a movie on an iPad or play one of those silly games.

I wouldn't use a vita at home when I've got a PS3 and a TV.

There's just no point to the vita. In order for the vita to have been successful it would have needed to do something unique that you couldn't do anywhere else. Actually it would have needed to do everything that every other gadget can do plus do something that only it can do.

It would have been a good idea to treat it like apple treats their products too, like an accessory that people want to carry, even if they don't know why.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:05:45 AM

No reason to own a Vita? So you are not interested in playing Vita only games or franchise iterations of Gravity Rush, Uncharted Golden Abyss, Little Big Planet, Ragnarok Odyssey, Tear Away, Killzone Mercenary, Unit 13, Resistance Burning Skies, Silent Hill Book of Memories, Zero Escape, Dokuro, ACIIIL, Soul Sacrifice, Mutant Blob, Hot Shots Golf, Dynasty Warriors Next, Sumioni and Escape Plan? All of these games are Vita only. I mean for instance their stories, golf courses and race tracks are only on Vita. Also, PS1 and PSP games look way better on the Vita OLED.

Now if you are saying you just don't like handhelds then I can respect that. But saying there is no reason to buy a Vita doesn't make any sense.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:19:09 AM

iPad comparison is a bad one. You wouldn't have spent that $800 if you were buying it only for games. Nobody does that.

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pillz81
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:22:22 PM

There is a point to the Vita, Monkeysnarf. You just don't see it. Just like I don't see a point to the ipad and its tablet ilk.

Why would I want to buy an $800 accessory? That is one expensive accessory, even with all the things it can do. I don't have that kind of money. That's why I have a Vita, even with a game price point of $30-$50.

The Vita is my accesory.

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JoebooSauce
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 2:38:58 PM

@CrusaderForever
For all those games you listed for Vita, there is a BETTER one on PS3. So, sitting at home, would we prefer to stare down at the Vita and play games or sit in front of the PS3+HDTV and play a comparable game? Remember, most people don't have the money to buy every game out there and have to make choices. So, AC3 or AC liberation? R3 or R:BS? Plus, almost all of those games has lower scores than their console counterparts.

MonkeyScarf is making a fair point. The average person will not see a need for a Vita. And we all know Sony (and everyone else) want's the casual gamer. That market has to be ceded to mobile gaming in my opinion. Now, if Sony wanted in with them, they should have made a cell phone that could do what the vita does. But, I think that is asking way to much. Can't be all things to all people. Vita is a fine piece of hardware. Like I said below, Sony needs to figure out who they want their market to be and then act accordingly.

Last edited by JoebooSauce on 12/6/2012 2:42:22 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 3:48:02 PM

Joeboo: Sony isn't going after the casual market with the Vita. They made that plain from the outset; they're targeting the hardcore gamer.

At the same time, it's a portable device. It's not supposed to compete with the PS3 for your play time; one is portable and one isn't. Of course few are going to opt to play the Vita when they've got the PS3 sitting there; they're at HOME. The Vita is for top-quality on-the-go gaming, a level that any other mobile gaming device cannot aspire to.

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Monkeysnarf
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:56:49 PM

The vita is a hard core gaming device. When would I need a portable hard core gaming device? At work, gym, home? None of those places are good for hard core gaming. Work and the gym are out of the question, some times I can slip in some light gaming on my iPhone. At home then? Why would I need a portable hard core gaming device when I have non portable hard core gaming devices at home that do a better job.

I could see, maybe if I had a long commute to work (which I do) but I didn't have to drive myself (which is not the case). Then I could almost see a need for a hard core gaming device. But in that scenario, you're back to what everyone else said about there being no software to support it.

There's just no point to it. It's too big to accidentally take it everywhere. So you'll have to purposely make the decission to bring it with you, when you leave the house. It doesn't do anything cool other than play games, that every other portable device does better. It's not unique.

They really should have given it the ability to make calls, exclusively through a speaker phone or blue tooth. Plus they should have put a forward facing camera on it and made video calling the standard.

I have the first PSP and the PSP Go. Although I never used the PSP Go for anything. (I did take it out of the box though.) I used to use the psp to play games and watch movies on airplanes, but now there are better solutions for that. I haven't used an exclusively portable gaming device since sometime before 2008. I would have loved to buy a Vita, but since I never used the GO, I just couldn't see what I'd do with a Vita. There's just no point to them anymore.

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Beamboom
Friday, December 07, 2012 @ 3:18:42 AM

... And this right here is what I talk about, Ben.
Monkeysnarf describes how he thinks as a consumer and a gamer. And this is how the vast majority of gamers think of the Vita today. There's just no room for it - not anymore.

And *that* is the core problem for Sony. Not the price, not the software.

Last edited by Beamboom on 12/7/2012 8:22:42 AM

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sawao_yamanaka
Friday, December 07, 2012 @ 4:31:23 AM

I take mine everywhere. Always have a chance to play a quick game or so no matter what I am doing. A quick level in unit 13, a quick fight in all stars. So yes, people have their reasonings and to me it seems that you have outgrown that necessity to carry a portable device as well as a phone. There are so many games whether they are ports or not that I can't get anywhere else, that is what I enjoy. Sony has built a great machine and have advertised it well. Towards someone like myself. I know everyone has spoken about this to death but please play a few games on a vita and you'll be a convert. A lot of the flak I have seen around here about the vita comes with no actual experience with it.

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DjEezzy
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 11:16:12 AM
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I'd say that it's the price of the unit because of the lack of great titles. Because it doesn't a bunch of epic titles the price is just a little too high. I've had one and it's a great little unit. I got rid of mine because i honestly don't have enough time to play games on the go as much as i'd like to.

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pillz81
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:27:29 PM
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Off topic: One software I am waiting for with bated breath is Crackle. When the hell is that coming?

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telly
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 12:48:55 PM
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neither price nor the games lineup is doing the Vita any favors right now, but I lean towards the latter as the bigger issue. $250 for a REALLY nice handheld is not outrageous (I've seen $200 sales, with pack-ins, all over the place the last few weeks too) but since there are so many other, far more affordable options on mobile devices, Sony and their third party partners need to REALLY knock the lineup out of the park to get people on board with taking the plunge. Lower price will help, but God of War, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, etc. all need to make an appearance to really get the system any traction, as do unique franchises you can't find anywhere else that really show what the Vita can do.

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riptide8
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:09:15 PM
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I pulled the trigger on one for sh(*&ts and grins when the AC3 bundle hit Amazon for 179.00. Took me off the fence post because I REALLY dont need another system. The PS plus free games was another factor. I think we are going to see this little gem grow.You know how Sony goes. Not to be bias, but I own everything and I never put my hands on a Vita before I bought it. I am 100% happy with the purchase and will wait paitiently for titles to roll out.I will be very selective on what I buy.

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cmtruax1970
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:24:25 PM
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I love my Vita. I am patient enough to wait for more games. This system beats anything else out there for mobility. I do believe that if storage card prices were lowered, it would sell better....but I am still buying games left and right. I know good stuff...and Vita is all that.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:29:11 PM
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No open world games, nothing AAA.

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sawao_yamanaka
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:35:23 PM

Gravity rush and AC3 liberation say hi.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:37:30 PM

Sandboxes are a start but not a world.

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sawao_yamanaka
Friday, December 07, 2012 @ 4:36:04 AM

Depends on what you mean by open world. Both sandbox and open world go hand in hand. Fallout 3 and AC3 liberation are considered open world. So is gta, any of them, but some people label it as sandbox. They both have their limitations and are still in the same general area.

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riptide8
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 1:51:26 PM
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Lack of upcoming quality titles?
Day one for me

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/12/03/ps-vitas-soul-sacrifice-leviathan-and-ghost-mode-revealed/

This will keep me busy for awhaile.

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JoebooSauce
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 2:28:38 PM
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It's a bit of all three points. The mobile competition is big and I think such a platform should be geared toward the "hardcore gamer" before any mass market. Once it builds to a critical mass with hardcore support, then people start to take note and the mass market may opt in. Mobile gaming is good enough for most. Dedicated mobile gaming machines are not what most want to carry around. So they will stick to a home console.

I think the price would be fine if there were MUST HAVE games. I like uncharted but the game did not have that grab factor that #2 had. COD and AC? Need I say more?

Lower price if your games aren't able to draw people in. At that point, needs to be evaluated whether or not you should even produce such a product. Don't get me wrong, I like the Vita, but its not strong enough to get strong sales that Sony wants. And I won't get into overpriced memory cards while Sony wants to encourage digital games. How the hell did they come up with that failed strategy??? The average person does not want to cart around cartridges...

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Dukemz_UK
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 5:00:43 PM
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Off topic, but is this a record for the amount of comments made to an editorial by PSXE? 80+ and counting.

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tes37
Thursday, December 06, 2012 @ 6:15:44 PM

Comments have made it over a couple hundred before.

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gruvsf
Monday, December 10, 2012 @ 1:55:04 PM
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not sure if Sony did not sell 'a lot' of Vita units over the black Friday weekend, but all of the Target stores that carried the AC bundle with the limited white Vita were sold out of all of their stock in the entire SF Bay Area as of noon Saturday.

More AAA titles that offer cross play functionality with PS3 counterparts will definitely sell more units, as well as additional good third party games

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Josuemental
Monday, December 10, 2012 @ 7:55:21 PM
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The main reasons why I'm not getting a Vita are:
-Lack of UMD drive.
-No haptic feedback vibration.
-Way too f*n expensive proprietary memory cards.
-No damages resistant screen.
-No IrDA.
-No HDMI-out.
-Stupid CMA that won't let you transfer shit unless you're connected to Sony servers all the time.

Last edited by Josuemental on 12/10/2012 8:36:25 PM

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cadpig
Monday, December 10, 2012 @ 9:11:44 PM
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I think that a lack of AAA titles is a major problem for the PS vita. Well, Sony got some pretty heavy hitter coming for the vita next year.
I say there is nothing wrong with a few ports. Until the AAA titles start rolling in.

Ninja Gaiden 2 sigma would be just what the doctor ordered.:)

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