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Vita Will Need Immediate Support From Hardcore Gamers

The PlayStation Vita enjoyed a big launch in Japan but sales have since trailed off.

That doesn't spell the end - as many of the doomsayers have already stated - but it does prove one thing: the hardcore gamers will have to support the unit. Like, immediately.

Here's the thing: this is not another gadget. This isn't something all the tech freaks are going to stand in line for; it isn't from Apple, it isn't a phone, it isn't a slick flat thing trying to be a PC. It is, quite simply, a handheld gaming device, and a pricey one at that. It's also obviously designed for the avid gamer and not necessarily for kids (in stark contrast to the Nintendo DS), which means major developers and major adult titles should be available on the Vita.

Hence, there's really only one group that can make the Vita a success, and it's the die-hard gamers who love great video games. That's it. You'll never convince the gadget buffs to buy one en masse, you'll never convince parents to buy it for their children as they will invariably choose Nintendo for various reasons, and you'll never convince the hardcore gamers to buy it without games. But that's the good news: with the biggest launch lineup in PlayStation history, the Vita at least has the software out of the gate.

That being said, the gamers still need to respond. They're the ones who need to go, "yeah, I'm gonna buy this because it has games I want to play." It's not about the 3G or anything else; it's a gaming device created for gamers. Now, Sony still has to do their job and deliver the goods, but if they do, it's up to the self-professed lifelong gamers to respond. And if that happens, everything should come together nicely, don't you think?

Tags: vita, playstation vita, gamers, portable gaming

12/29/2011 9:07:07 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (109 posts)

maxpontiac
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 9:32:27 PM
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Why people revert to "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" every time a device from Sony fails to set sales records escapes me.

Half a million units in Japan is great for something that expensive. Let us see how it does when it releases worldwide.

That is why you don't believe the doomsayers!!!

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Highlander
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:00:17 PM

WE also have to consider that the first wave of sales may have been dented somewhat by the news about some software flaws that resulted in unresponsive touch pads and what not. Those have since been patched, and as that news, and games start to sink in, I think we will see sales become far more steady. But then this isn't exactly a failed unit, as you say, half a million units is nothing at all to sneeze at.

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godsman
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 7:08:34 AM

What the portable need is an original game that is exclusive to the handheld. One that makes any gamer go "OMG I have to buy it to play THAT game!" It just seems that recently there aren't those games any more.

Rather than releasing a less impressive version of a PS3 game (Uncharted, LBP, Mod Nation etc.) They need their Nintendo Pokemon. Monster Hunter was the PSP megaseller, but it fails to remain exclusive.

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Qubex
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 7:35:10 AM

Picked this up from Bloomberg today...

"Sales of Sony Corp. (6758)’s PlayStation Vita, the company’s latest handheld game machine, declined last week after initial demand at the product’s debut, according to a researcher Media Create Co.

Sales totaled 72,479 units during the week ended Dec. 25, down from 324,859 units sold during the two days after the Dec. 17 introduction of the product, the Tokyo-based researcher said on its website, without citing anyone."

Bit of a mountain to climb for the Vita... maybe US and EU releases will swing things around initially... but as I did say before... we will only really know by the end of 2012 if the Vita has been a true success...

Otherwise a price drop will be in the offing. It seems the 3DS is going gang busters after its price drop.

The Kindle Fire has exploded with sales because of the price.

Quite sensibly... and clearly something that all gadget makers have to consider in today's world of austerity... if the price ain't right get ready to sink... unless you're Apple of course...

And as they say... "Having an Apple a day keeps the doctor away"...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Neo_Aeon666
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 8:55:35 AM

Price isn't a problem for what you are getting. People wouldn't think it is a problem if they ever really looked into what the unit can do. When I talk about the unit to customers they don't feel like the price is too high for what you are getting. Only reason it might be getting bad press is *the haters* who unfortunatly have a voice on the internet somehow. And we all know them. Same people that bashed at anything the PS3 threw at them. But now I don't know why more people listen to them now from the Sony community itself XD

And Godsman, it might be a small bit less impressive than what the PS3 can do but its damn better than what any handheld does at the moment. It will even blurr the line between home consoles and portable. It also boasts more overall features than the PS3 itself... And btw Nintendo is no better. They always shoot the same crap at people and have no original IP. I don't think Sony using already popular IPs is a problem.

Anyway it has been a while since a handheld got me excited. I really hope the Vita will outshine the bad press Sony always gets from all the haters who can't even look at what is offered and spit on the unit just because it is Sony branded... Not saying anyone here is though. just that all the skepticisism and bad press doesn't come from any open mind. XD Can't wait to FINALLY be able to play good quality handheld games that come VERY close or are equal to console experiences on the go.


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Highlander
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:45:19 AM

Godsman,

If Sony was doing as Nintendo does, they wouldn't have Uncharted, Mod Nation or LBP on the Vita, it would be Crash, Spyro and perhaps Ratchet and Clank. Nintendo pushes the same tired IPs that they've been pushing for darned near three decades, they have *nothing* fresh. All the franchises getting a Vita title that I mentioned above are from the PS3 generation. considering that the majority of early adopters that will by the Vita early come from the PS3 userbase, it seems extremely logical to include the most popular PS3 exclusive franchises in the launch line up. Wouldn't you say?

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:03:40 AM

@ Qubex

Sales figures are not relevant to this topic according to the adminstrator. I hope you can detect a level of sarcasm in my post. :)

I think you may be correct about a potential price drop if sales remain sluggish. Analysts are already talking about that in Forbes, and the WSJ. I think Sony could learn a lot from 3DS's troubles. It stumbled right after its launch. Gamers were saying it was too expensive and there were no games. There was a lot of doom and gloom surrounding the 3DS. Nintendo QUICKLY responded with an aggressive price cut and a steady stream of key console selling titles. It has worked. 450,000-480,000 3DS's sold in a week in Japan alone is pretty amazing.

Just to put some context on the Vita's huge drop off in sales, the 3DS sold 370,000 in week one and then sold 210,000 units in week two.



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Highlander
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:41:25 AM

With the greatest of respect, the analysts in Forbes and the WSJ are not the greatest when it comes to analyzing the video game market. Then again they are not the greatest when it comes to analyzing much of anything IMHO.

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Jawknee
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:18:33 AM

Those "same tired IP's" they have been pushing for decades are stil a lot more fun than 80% of whats out on the market that is considered "fresh" so Nintendo is doing something right.

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DarthNemesis
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:35:02 PM

@ Jawnkee lol you always said that,but that is your opinion and you can not prove that those games are better than 80 percent of games out and they are not better than 80 percent,50 percent or 10 percent.Nintendo keeps rehashing the same games so of course people who like Nintendo will buy them when that is all that is available.They are good games,but they are fa frm what they were since the SNES days when they were fresher.

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Ignitus
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 9:33:35 PM
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I was a little interested in getting this but when I found out it has a nonremovable battery and a new propietary flash memory format I completly lost interes in it. Why do that?

If later on there is a model with a removable baterry and the prices of the flash memory units are at more reasonable price points, I might get it.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:01:35 PM

Why do that? Um, let's see, because piracy killed the PSP's software sales in the west and the battery and memory cards were two vectors used to allow custom firmware and pirated games to work. See now, it's not that hard to figure out really.

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:55:14 PM

Meh, iPods have had non removable batteries since their inception. As far as I'm concerned that's not a problem.

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___________
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:40:44 AM

yes always blame it on piracy, which these "solutions" have NEVER sold!
PSP GO had a proprietary USB slot and non removable battery to "stop piracy", how did that turn out?
vita has a proprietary memory card and again non removable battery to "stop piracy".
been out for a week, and they already have homebrew running!
it uses a proprietary memory card for 1 reason and only 1 reason.
so they can milk more money out of consumers!
70 bucks EB wants for the 16GB!
not the 32, the 16!
i picked up a sandisk which are way more expensive then other brands today for 20!
hell, even when they launched what 2 years ago they were around 50!
this is one reason why $ony are in last place this gen, and always will be!
treating their fans like disposable ATMs!

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Ignitus
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 3:25:36 AM

Jawk, the baterry is an issue to me because I have seen Ipods lose their useful charge as years go by. A few years down the line and those ipods can't play music for an hour because the baterry's life has run out.

I like the freedom to have removable batteries in my devices. I don't like to buy them again just because the battery died. This is the reason why I don't have an iPod either. ;)

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Kagamin
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 5:22:25 AM

The battery is removable, it says so in the vita manual. You just need to unscrew some screws. I know it's not really that pratical but it works.

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Qubex
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 7:37:30 AM

Highlander... unfortunately the pirates have already cracked it wide open with news coming through that flaws have been found in the Vita's encryption algorithms.

Sony has some work cut out in order to keep the minions at bay.

But with this activity starting so soon... it doesn't bode well... { s i g h }... here we go again!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Neo_Aeon666
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:06:18 AM

*when I found out it has a nonremovable battery and a new propietary flash memory format I completly lost interes in it.*

LOL then you musn't have had any real interest in it in the first place. Like alot of people... Just talking crap to be interesting siding with the skeptical people is trendy. Kidding! ;P

But yeah I am actually quite happy for the batterry thing you know :P I have to sell extended warranties... Sooooo :D Batterry not removable = covered by our 2-3 years replacement plan :D :D Good argument mu u hahaha :D

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Highlander
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:51:44 AM

@Quebex,

Indeed. As we both know, it's very difficult to maintain the security of anything digital - which is what actually makes the PS3 so remarkable - even now. But with respect to the wonderful world of hacking attacking the Vita I say this;

Oh goody. The Internet's endless supply of dumb-ass, entitlement minded script kiddies and 188t h4xx0r5 will attempt to do their usual BS. The problem I see here is not so much related to the Vita or Sony, but to all makers of electronics. At some point makers of these kinds of device are going to make a business decision based on the inability to make a profit due to piracy and stupidity - and stop making them. Thanks in advance to all those dumbass hackers out there for spoiling the party for everyone - I bet you were all the life of the party at school.

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Ignitus
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:52:53 AM

So nonremovable Battery and a new propietary format to keep hackers at bay? Yeah right. Like that was going to work.

It's obvious to me the reason is to get more money from customers while at the same time giving us less convenience.

Like I said, for these reasons I'm not buying it.

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Warrior Poet
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:00:21 PM

You need to be a lot more than a script kiddie to crack open a platform like the Vita. Especially when it's so new to the world. I myself use homebrew on my PSP - fan games, playing lossless FLAC music, etc. It really does make the unit more useful. But the fact that homebrew enables piracy means piracy always follows, and a lot of honest hackers refuse to release their exploits. There are a few guys who have total over their ps3s even now and aren't sharing. I think that's a good thing, really. I want the games ecosystem to stay afloat a while longer.

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mehrab2603
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 4:18:29 PM

The Vita being hacked so fast is of course Sony's fault also. Hackers are saying that the encryption system used in Vita fails more than even the PS3. What is Sony doing paying moron programmers who can't write something to protect their system even for a month? The 3DS has been out for quite some time now and it hasn't been hacked yet. Really, Sony should kick out the idiots behind Vita programming and hire some real experts.

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Temjin001
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 9:35:58 PM
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I know. ANd I'm a student living on a relatively small income with a wife who said no more new consoles until school is done.... It's an uphill battle for me and Vita... but maybe this ninja can think of cunning ways to make it happen and rise to the call of duty.

like the Michael commericial... I stand up and yell "For SONY!"

=p

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Nas Is Like
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 9:40:37 PM

Your wife tells you what you can and can't buy?

smh

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:56:10 PM

Husbands should be considerate of their wives requests.

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Temjin001
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:45:18 AM

hey, nas, we all have our burdens to bare and that's one I'm not going to trifle with. how many marriages end because of disputes over money?

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CrusaderForever
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:13:22 AM

I always consult my wife before I purchase anything. Guys who don't are chauvinistic and lack female respect.

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maxpontiac
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 5:55:05 PM

Temjin..

If 19 years of marriage has tought me anything, it's that staying married is all about picking which battlefield to fight over.

I was told that once 15 years ago, and you know what? Our marriage is only getting better.

Glad to see you seem to have that idea! ;)

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Jed
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 9:45:06 PM
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I'm reserving mine tomorrow with the help of some hefty gift cards I recieved recently.

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bebestorm
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 9:47:33 PM
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Sales will pick up with the right games like the 3DS. I really don't know when I'll buy one. The price is fine though I think the memory cards could be little cheaper. The only negative is the totally annoying one psn account per system.

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Kagamin
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 5:40:58 AM

Exactly. What Vita needs are big profile exclusive games to make people excited about the system like Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy. Also, new IPs that take fully advantage of the system strengths would help.

I am interested in Gravity Rush, Persona 4 Gold and Ys 4, but it needs more system sellers.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 9:54:11 PM
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I saw an article at Game Informer that said Vita sales have plummeted 78% in its second week. Those numbers represent the largest second week decline in the entire history of console gaming according to GI. The Vita sold around 72,000 consoles in its second week. The 3DS sold a whopping 453,000 units in that same week. The PSP sold 110,000 consoles.

Now we saw Nintendo quickly respond to sagging sales by aggresively cutting the 3DS's price in an attempt to restore confidence in the brand. It seems to have paid off. Is Sony prepared to do the same? I would hope so if that sales trend continues. What is a little discouraging about those numbers is that Japan has been way more supportive of Sony's handhelds than other regions so I have no clue as to why there has been such an alarming drop off in Vita sales. That's Sony's homecourt so to speak. If they struggle there I don't think that bodes well for other regions.

Those memory card prices are a problem as well. They almost read like a suicide note from the Vita. Cheap flash memory is available now. I have seen many comments from gamers stating they WERE interested in a Vita until the details came out.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:03:27 PM

Yes, because Game Informer is a) completely non biased, b) the ultimate news source and c) known for it's precise use of numbers.

You're not going to see this thing take a price nose dive after a few months it's not a cheap piece of crap with am optical illusion for a gimmick selling for far above it's cost to manufacture.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:24:30 PM

It's not just GI reporting those numbers. The Sixth Axis and other sites have them as well. As for a price cut. I hope Sony is prepared to do that if sales continue to be an issue. 453,000 thousand consoles sold in a week isn't half bad for a gimmicky cheap piece of crap.

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Karosso
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:34:54 PM

Yes, the memory card prices announced by Sony were the deciding factor for me no getting it period. I understand Highlander's logic with the whole piracy and the need for security and that's fine but, I for one will wait until the price of the 32GB hits $50. Sorry Sony but I'm no made of money :) So a 32GB ($120) memory stick costs almost half of a PS3??? Sorry, no matter how much of a fanboy I am, I can't eat this load of crap from Sony... I will buy the Vita eventually but, not until it comes down in price... By the looks of it, I hope it isn't at a fire-sale thou :(

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DazeOfWar
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:48:14 PM

@Karosso: The 32gb cards are actually only $100 now. I know it's only a $20 difference but it is cheaper. There's an article on IGN with all the accessory prices.

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Karosso
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:52:36 PM

@ DazeOfWar
I saw them now for $99.99, no shipping and no tax @ New egg .com, its better but still too pricy for me, just scored 2 32GB Micro SD cards for $60 flat.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 11:55:36 PM

You know, I just have to ask.

What does this have to do with the article? What? I know you get great pleasure in posting sales numbers to prove another piece of Sony hardware is "failing," but I don't even get how that's relevant here.

I'm talking about something very specific in this piece. And instead of responding to that point, you go off on yet ANOTHER rant of how something Sony-related sucks on the sales charts.

Could you maybe STOP doing that for say, just one week?

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:55:54 AM

You said the sales have trailed off so that's how they relate to this article. Duh. It always nice to have some numbers to quantify that. Sales do matter and are a measure of success. I never said the Vita was a failure, either. You are putting words in my mouth. Do you see the word "failing" anywhere in the post above? I don't think the Vita is a failure. It launched with nearly double the sales of the origuinal PSP. It's the huge drop off in sales in the second week that are a concern. Some sites have said its even a record breaking drop off. Why hide from that?

You are riding my a$$ for posting sales figures in an article that directly relates to Vita sales and its success. Ridiculous. The answer to your question is no I won't stop. It's on topic to this article with all do respect.





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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:11:34 AM

You're getting an awfully big attitude, Excelsior. You haven't stopped taking jabs at me (calling me "Mr. Adminstrator" in an obvious mocking fashion) or other people for some time. Then you run around telling everyone how stupid I'm being by mocking me even more. That IS going to stop.

This article, as denoted by the freakin' headline, is about the targeted demographic for the Vita and how they need to respond. The primary point was NOT sales. You turned it into that so you could once again post sales numbers to make Sony look terrible. Using words like "plummeted" and saying it's the biggest decline "in history" in a week over week comparison implies a whole lot.

Now, you've been warned. Stop taking jabs at me, stop taking jabs at others, stop taking jabs at the site. Got it? I'm sick of this growing attitude of yours and this sudden belief that you don't have to listen to other people, including me.

Next time I ask something POLITELY, which is what I did in the initial post, you're going to either respond politely or you're simply going to do what I ask without whining and without the attitude. End of story. I would recommend not responding to this post. Just let it sink in, please.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:42:25 AM

I said no politely and with all do respect. I get along fine with other members so I don't know what you are talking about there. Go single out everybody else who talked about sales in this thread. Plummeted is exactly what everybody else is saying about the Vita's sales in week two. A simple google search will reveal that. It is what it is. Oh my God I used the word plummeted because I saw it in other headlines. Unless one has their head stuck in the sand there is no way to avoid that word out there. I got the freaking censor police on my back telling me what words I can use now. Wow. I will stop using Mr adminstrator out of respect in the future so do not think I am blowing off everything you said. I will also try to be as polite as possible. A sales chart is not going to break Sony's back. There's nothing wrong with expressing concern about a surprising drop off in sales.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:45:45 AM

You're not getting this. You entirely missed the point of the article and continue to ignore me when I politely ask you to stay on topic, and see if you can even go one single week without posting sales numbers that make it look like the world is ending for Sony. You just won't stop. It's like a broken record.

So, stop posting in this thread. You're done on this topic.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:15:56 AM

I did not miss the point. Go ahead and ban me if you like. It would be wrong, because I'm getting singled out. Everybody else is talking about sales on this very thread. I guess they don't get it either. It's not fair that you single me out, and you know it. Telling me what I can and can not post is flat out wrong. Threads are for expressing opinions freely as long as one is not breaking any rules. You just don't like it because it might make Sony look bad. It's just a sales chart that MULTIPLE people have mentioned in this very thread. I think its relevant and the 9 thumbs up I got shows that others do as well. I guess once again we don't see eye to eye on a topic but I do think that's okay. That happens all the time in threads.

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Ignitus
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:34:15 AM

We are going to miss you Excelsior.

Though I didn't agree with you all the time you are one of the few who kept things balanced in the comments section and could actually back up his responses.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:55:26 AM

Still can't stop? Try again.

I am not being protective of ANYTHING. You may not have noticed, but I've been lukewarm on the Vita since it was announced. I've even been accused of being against it.

There are multiple examples of you calling me out in various posts to other members. There are countless examples of you posting sales numbers - many of them FALSE - and having to be corrected by other members.

That's enough.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:10:50 PM

You are correct. I have messed up numbers in the past. Twice that I know of. That's why I strive to make sure they are accurate now, I won't post them unless I cross referenced them on three independent sites. It's been a LONG time since I screwed up any numbers. You just like to constantly bring that up to render my opinion invalid. Anytime something makes Sony look bad you ride in to the rescue just like on that Skyrim thread. Oh no. Skyrim has problems on the PS3. It might make it look bad. You told me I have not even played the game to render my opinion invalid on that subject as well. I got singled out even though multiple people reported problems on that very thread. Oh well. You just love singling me out for some reason. It's just plain wrong.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:56:48 PM

Stop accusing me of protecting Sony. That's CRAP. I WAS THE ONE WHO WROTE THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE PS3 VERSION OF SKYRIM HAVING MAJOR PROBLEMS.

I was also the one to constantly post every single negative news headline concerning the Vita.

I'll post a hundred articles in the past four years that are blatantly anti-Sony or in support of other games and other platforms. Now, are you going to stop or are you going to continue to accuse me of things that aren't true? Public bashing of the site and those who run probably isn't advisable, although you seem to think it's all fine and dandy.

Last chance to STOP TALKING.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 5:31:38 PM

You did ride my a$$ in that article and you know it. It compares quite favorably with the 360 version(outside of being broken) and you said or that I have not even played the game. That's the God's honest truth. I'm not bashing this site...it's you that is the problem. There is difference between bashing and critism. You butt into threads and attempt to shape them to your liking. You started this with your whining about a freaking sales chart for Christ's sakes.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 7:54:53 PM

You're done for now. I don't want to see another post from you for a little while, got it?

Take a break. When you can admit a single solitary point - that you constantly post negative sales figures, that you constantly take jabs at me when responding to other people (I'll point out the posts if you like), and that you absolutely refuse to acknowledge that there are authority figures here who AREN'T you, you're welcome to contribute.

Until then, I will politely ask you to refrain from disturbing everything with your endless "Sony sucks because the sales suck" posts. You can either temporarily cool it, or I'll cool it for you.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:26:47 PM

I'm not going to stop so you may as well cool it for me. I have never ONCE said Sony sucks. That's your words. Crying over a sales chart. Again, it's unbelievable. You said be critical all you want just be accurate. I have tried to do that. I'm not going to stop the way I post period.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, January 01, 2012 @ 12:02:52 AM

This ain't a democracy. You'll learn that soon enough, one way or the other.

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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:00:12 PM
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I'm just waiting for the Vita to be released in my country. And that's the end of the story for me. Sony had my money since they first announced it anyway. :-)

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DazeOfWar
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:29:35 PM

Just because he says Sony had his money when they first announced isn't fanboyish. He just likes the Vita. He never did say they get his money no matter what. It was just for the Vita.

I was ready to buy one when it was announced. That's because I love the whole idea of it. It has some great tech and it's just an all around awesome piece of hardware.

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ZettaiSeigi
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:03:33 AM

VallartaBoy, way to completely miss the point. And thanks for clarifying it on my behalf, DazeOfWar!

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DazeOfWar
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:16:42 AM

No problem Zettai. Always glad to help out a fellow Vita needer. lol

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Cpt_Geez
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:18:34 PM
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The sales could have dropped off the second week due to the vita being sold out. I want to know how many was shipped.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:25:54 PM

It did not sell out. Sony shipped 700,000 Vitas.

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Xombito
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:31:42 PM

500,000 is still a damn lot though. Even so, its only been a couple of weeks. How can anybody determine anything after a couple of weeks?

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Cpt_Geez
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:52:17 AM

@excersior oh okay

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:40:08 AM

Just forget it guys. We are not allowed to talk about the Vita's sales are why they had a big drop off the second week. It's not relevant to this article according to MR. adminstrator. :/ Heaven forbid somebody posts the actual sales figures to quantify that drop off or express concern over it. That means they are "ranting" and saying Sony is "failing". Wow, is all I can really say about that. Just for the record I do not think the Vita or Sony are failing. The Vita's launch has been described as good or mixed. It's the second week that remains the concern.

Sounds like the hardcore gamers bought their Vita's in the first couple of days to me. How many are still sitting on the fence is hard to say. Ofcourse we all know games drive sales. I do not know if the Vita has a Monster Hunter title in the pipeline but I really do believe that one single game could ignite sales. Another big question is will the Vita have any legs outside of Japan. It's way too soon to know that ofcourse. It did seem the Vita had some positive traction until the details came out.

If you guys are interested The Sixth Axis has a detailed review of the Vita. It's a pretty good read.

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Highlander
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:53:56 AM

What I am interested in Excelsior is why you are always so ready to post links to competing sites and take jabs not just at Sony, but this site itself. Agent provocateur?

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:22:34 AM

Sorry, I just thought readers might be interested in a break down of the actual product. It actually a pretty positve piece on the Vita. It makes me want one so I think I am doing Sony a favor by mentioning it. As for the jabs...other people are talking about the second week decline in sales like Qubex. There is not a damn thing wrong with posting those sales figures and you know it. I see no jabs at this website in my posts above. I was just defending myself. My Lord, Sony can survive some sales figures being posted on a website. As for mentioning other websites...people do that all the time around here. Temjin had a link just yesterday to great piece at IGN in the article about dying in videogames. Uh oh. He mentioned a competing website... :/

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Highlander
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:43:07 AM

Yes because all those other posters have a pattern of posting that way, right? Wrong. Just because Qubex did something this one time, or Biker did something else some other one time, or Temjin posted a link to another site this one time? Does that mean that they share your posting pattern because they did something one time? No. The problem isn't that you post the occasional link to another site, or that you take an anti-Sony stance. The problem is that you post links to other sites as if to demonstrate that this site and/or Ben is biased or wrong. You like to quote any number that casts Sony in a negative light and then blow that out of all proportion compared to the actual data. I find that your pattern is persistently negative, snide and confrontational with this site, and Ben in particular.

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Ignitus
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:12:42 AM

"The problem is that you post links to other sites as if to demonstrate that this site and/or Ben is biased or wrong."

This site is biased and the name says it all. No surprises here. So what? It has a triving comunity right here in the coments section that makes it special. IMHO.

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Excelsior1
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:44:32 AM

In all fairness I have posted positive numbers as well when I can find them. There have been a few that I do remember. I said I thought the Vita's first week numbers were good so its not all bad. As for me and Ben...he has called me butthurt, buddy, my opinion was a load of crap. He's been quite confrontational with me in the past but that's okay I guess. I will say I think he does a great job but he tends to be a little over protective of Sony. Ofcourse that just my humble opinion. I do respond much better to politeness. He's been more polite so I will take into account what he has said. I guess I'm done with this topic for now. Spinning my wheels a little bit here I suppose. And no I don't think it's the end of world for Sony. There are quite a few things they can try to boost sales or bring more hardcore gamers on board consistently in regards to the Vita. I will watch its weekly sales closely. We all should if we care about Sony.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:54:08 AM

Ignitus: The site is in no way biased. All review scores fall right in line with any major source you can find, and we've posted more negative topics calling out Sony than any other PlayStation-oriented website on the Internet.

So stop assuming.

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Mr Bubbles IGR
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:28:05 PM
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I know that this isnt part of the article above but I knew someone would know the answer to this. I am looking to upgrade the hard drive to an 80GB backwards compatable fat ps3 (motorstorm package). To a solid state drive. Does anyone know what a good SSD would be, meaning the brand and reliability and compatibility with this ps3. I would like to run things on my ps3 faster and since i've read that SSD run cooler then maybe this ps3 cooling fan wont be so loud, sounds like a 747 engine ;)

Anyway please state which SSD would be good for this ps3.

Thanks for your time.

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Karosso
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:44:57 PM

x_JoNaH_x
Any SSD drive from a good quality manufacturer will do nicely. The only issue is space and price, SSD drives cost way too much and the benefits on the PS3 might not be as high as you think. Many of the top speed drives out today will only run at half of the advertised speeds on the PS3, due to its interface, still faster than a regular drive thou.
My suggestion would be a compromise, the Seagate Momentus XT 500GB ($150 @ New Egg . com), its a hybrid drive, SSD and platter, gives you fast speeds and a nice sized drive to keep games and media. Hope this helps.

Best regards and a Happy New Year!

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Mr Bubbles IGR
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 11:18:53 PM

Thanks but wont 7200rpm heat up the ps3 to much/overheat? i've read that for ps3's you had to stick with 5400rpm… maybe that view has changed ??

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Fane1024
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 5:02:35 AM

SSDs were tested in the PS3 and they were actually either slower or the same speed (I forget which). I don't think it'll be worth the $$$.

If I remembered the website, I'd tell you where to look.

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 6:23:21 AM

If you have a good brand there's no reason why you can't have a 7200rpm drive in a ps3. You also do get faster load times, fact. I run one myself in a 40gig fat going on for more than 4 years old.

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Highlander
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:56:36 AM

7200rpm drives are no worse than any other. The speed of the drive is not the issue, the power consumption at idle and the power consumption during operation is, the thermal output of the drive is. There are 5400rpm drives that get hot and use a lot of power, just as there are 7200rpm drives that sip power sparingly and do not heat up much.

Personally, I went for a 5400rpm drive that has 64MB of cache and very low power consumption. It's more or less as fast as a 7200rpm drive with far lower power consumption than any other 5400 or 7200rpm drive.

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Mr Bubbles IGR
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:17:31 PM

@The Highlander:

What hard drive do you have in your ps3?

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Highlander
Saturday, December 31, 2011 @ 12:15:51 AM

I use one of these;

WD AV-25 500GB, 32MB Cache, 2.5-inch SATA. (WD5000BUDT)

http://wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=160

They're made for AV kiosk applications with 24/7 error free operation and are therefore fast, quiet, robust and efficiently sip power.

It looks like they might have been replaced by a version with only 16MB of cache - the WD5000BUCT.

Not sur why, but when I first bought the drive, they were cheaper. It looks almost like WD has a new line, and these are discontinued.

You might want to look at the WD Scorpio Black drives, they are 7200rpm drives with 16MB cache and their stated power consumption is within a 5th of a watt of the 5400rpm drive I have. The WD range has 1TB 5400rpm 2.5 inch drives that aer slightly more power efficient, but the smaller cache might hurt performance, especially compared to the 7200rpm drives.

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Metal Head
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:30:16 PM
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Sony has to create demand for Vita. A good solution is to allow us to download our PS1 disc games on the Vita. I'm always ready to support Sony, because they keep on innovating the videogame industry.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:35:38 PM

I know a way to drum up immediate support in Japan, Release a Monster Hunter game. I guarantee that would boost Vita sales.

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Clamedeus
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 2:25:10 AM

@Excelsior1

Exactly. I wouldn't mind having a Monster Hunter game either on Vita.

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DazeOfWar
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:31:56 PM
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I'll be buying mine day one. Still not sure if I want the First Edition bundle so I can get it a week early. Not sure if I really want the 3G or Little Deviants though. May just get the wifi model a 32gb card and a couple of games.

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ZenChichiri
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 10:38:02 PM
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I'll be supporting it because Sony is actually giving us a nice variety of software with it. That's what it's all about, isn't it? You buy a console because it has good games on it. People will find the smallest things to complain about.

How did the 3DS outsell the Vita with a such a bad software lineup? I guess Nintendo really does have unwavering brand recognition in the handheld market, even with shoddy software. I'll be getting a 3DS soon as well, but I'm waiting for something other than remakes and same old same old first. I do want that Shin Megami Tensei game though...

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 11:02:30 PM

Mario 3D Land, Pushumo and Mario Kart 7 alone are worth owning a 3DS. Kid Icarus comes out in march too.

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ZenChichiri
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 11:27:34 PM

Yah Mario 3D Land looks good, as well as Pushmo (I love puzzle games) but Mario Kart 7 would just drive me to an insane asylum. I played every Mario Kart game up until the Wii incarnation of it, and then I lost interest. Putting in precious time getting to the finish line just to get blasted by whatever cheapo colored shell the computer will throw at me...gyargh! And it's not just going back one or two places. First the blue shell hits me, then a person using a star hits me, then a heavyweight hits me, and I'm last place all of a sudden...right near the finish line! I can forgive this a couple times, but it happened so many god damn times! I want to change those happy smiling cartoony faces into faces of repulsion as I rip off Mario's head and shove a turtle shell down his neck hole.

Just thinking about it makes me want to put my Wii steering wheel in the microwave and laugh maniacally while it melts away!

I do love Nintendo though, I just hate new Mario Kart with a passion. If I want Mario Kart I'll whip out my 64 one, which is more forgiving with the BS.

Like I said though, I really really want that SMT: Devil Survivor game. I'll be getting a 3DS soon. I'm not a console racist. I usually pick up all of them, but maybe not the next Microsoft one because of so many multiplat games these days.

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 11:48:11 PM

Yea I feel ya. That is one of that aspects of Mario Kart 7 that drives me nuts. I skipped the Wii version but this new one is pretty cool. The new additions like kart mods, being able to use your Mii and the new tracks make me forgive the frustrating aspects of the game.

Also forgot to mention Resident Evil Retribution comes out next year too. Looks decent.

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Jawknee
Thursday, December 29, 2011 @ 11:00:10 PM
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I thought the initial sales were good. I really want to get one of these when itlaunchs in Feb but like Temji, the wife has asked me to refrain for a little while and save. But by the time I have the cash the Wii U will probably be out. If that's the case a Vita purchase will have to wait even longer.

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RaYz89
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:34:56 AM
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For me, I think despite having the biggest launch titles in PS history, there's still really no game that will attract the majority of gamers... And in the case of Japan, the one title that will boosts any hardware sales are... MONSTER HUNTER~ look at how it boosts 3ds & psp sale during its launch~

That's what 3ds has now.. Monster Hunter, Kingdom Hearts and Mario - the big franchises loved by Japanese

Let's hope one will be announced soon for the Vita then the sale will surely go up (in Japan).

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Clamedeus
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:36:01 AM

And in the US, I know a lot of people who are fans of Monster Hunter. It's not only Japan.

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RaYz89
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:42:51 AM

But capcom will not deliver monster hunter for english speaking gamers~ because they know fans will translate it for them... lol~

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___________
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:44:19 AM
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obviously!
the causal crowd cant afford to spend 300+ bucks on a handheld + 50+ bucks on a required memory card + 60+ bucks for each game!
plus most of them will already have a IOS device which already does everything the vita does AND MORE!
$ony really need to improve the multitasking of the vita!
i cant believe you cant run a game and the web browser, or multiple games at once.
i mean phones were able to do that, what, 6 freaking years ago!?
that describes the vita in a nut shell.
2 steps forward, 2 steps back.
far better in some aspects, far worse in others!

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Jawknee
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 2:02:28 AM

Yea because you can do that with the PS3, Xbox, Wii and 3DS. It's SO unbelievable that it can't be done on the Vita.

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___________
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:17:25 AM

its a "next gen" device it should be able to do it.
hell the PSP GO could pause a game, and start another.
so why cant its replacement?
its like Ferrari replacing the F430 with the 458 Italia and having it slower.
the successor is suppose to be able to do everything is predecessor did, and more.
the vita is 2 steps forward, 2 steps back.

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bhindi_bhaji
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 3:41:16 AM
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At person with no name...the Vita has proper games, almost on par with the consoles which take a lot of resources, not a few MB like most mobile phone casual games (which can be fun and have their place, I'm not slating them), so of course you can't have multiple games running at once.

I'd like to see a current iOS or Android device run something like Uncharted Golden Abyss or any number of the Vita release games, they're just not comparable.

I have a Vita, the thing's awesome. Of course there is room for improvement, it's only just been released.

I'm looking forward to seeing it evolve over the next couple of months up to EU/US release...hopefully Sony can work something out with Adobe so it can have flash...no youtube at the moment is a bit annoying!!


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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 4:15:00 AM
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I see no appeal from this so far at all. The fact that it cannot play PS1 games is a major let down as that is the main usage of my PSP. There just arent any exclusives yet that make me need to buy it. theres not a Final Fantasy or Metal Gear yet, maybe when that happens i'll be suckered into buying one, but for now my PSP1 can handle my portable gaming needs.

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Kagamin
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 5:54:00 AM
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It needs not only the support of hardcore gamers, it needs the support from more devs to make system sellers. The 3DS took off not just because of the big price drop. It took off after there were games on the system that people wanted to play like Mario Kart and Monster Hunter. The same will happen when Vita has more games that people want, so it's not doomed or anything just because of the the low sales this week.

Oh...and for people saying that Vita doesn't play PS1 games....it was said that it would not support PS1 games at LAUNCH. That it would be brought later on by firmware update. There is a lot of misinformation about Vita going around =/.

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Clamedeus
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:43:20 AM

Indeed, I guess people love to spread around false information. :/

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RaYz89
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:45:50 AM

Or even if there's no official firmware update to play ps1 games... there's always custom firmware possible in the future that can maximize the hardware's capabilities~ :)

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:04:26 AM
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Yep, and that's why the proprietary nature of the device is so damaging. "Serious" gamers like me are already neck deep in digital with the psp.. From my view would like more storage space and not having to pay a huge amount just to get a base system, a card to get a system started up before getting any games just to get a meager 32gig which I had on the psp already.

I went from hugely excited for the Vita from announcement to completely and utterly disappointed. Simply due to the reality that what sounded great at a glance with my present psp library just isn't economically and practically feasible right now due to how Sony have chosen their path for the device which has left me behind. It's a real shame.

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Highlander
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:49:40 AM

The problem with what you're saying is that the PSP continued to sell decent hardware numbers outside of Japan, but software sales all but collapsed. The elephant in the room is the reason for that collapse. no one wants to talk about it, no one wants to recognize it's role. That same elephant is the reason for so much proprietary hardware/software with Vita, and once again we know this, but people don't want to talk about it.

That flip flop from positive to negative sounds like an affectation instead of a genuine sentiment. I mean, the PSP uses MemoryStick Pro Duo, at launch they were expensive and it took a while, but 3rd parties came in. That was to be expected - unfortunately - with Vita as well. We have known for months that the Vita used a new memory card format for games and that the replaceable memory cards were always described in a way that suggested they would not be SD or some other existing 'standard'.

I have to say though, you made me laugh by describing a 32GB flash card as meager, that's some funny stuff.

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 11:09:29 PM

There's a lot of text and no interaction with anything I said Highlander, thanks, even berating it.

What we didn't know was size or details of the card. You talk as if we should have just assumed this was the outcome. A different format with a same size roof. Sorry that is just a bit too much in my opinion.

Yes between practical usage of comics, games, music and you can forget about video after those 3 categories alone 32 gig has become not much with managing a digital library in practical terms on a psp. I should know I've been doing it for awhile now. The gap getting smaller with the increased definition of textures for Vita games. As it stands I'm not happy with the amount of games I can have on with other things. Hell I would have been happy with 16 Gig internal and the new proprietary with no added incentive taking it up to 48gig. Would've meant no need to buy a card right off the gate too for everyone.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:22:42 AM
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I look at it this way. I would gladly pay $350 for the Vita. I just have to find the money. Hopefully I can contribute come 3/1/12. So many PS3 games coming out that I want as well. I really want to support such a ground breaking device. I will find a way.

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Wissam
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 1:07:32 PM
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Off course vita will need it. but too bad gamers are just too busy reading the sales charts over the net rather than playing the games. or distinguishing a well built device from a another with 7 years old tech.

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gungrave
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 6:20:14 PM
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I won't be picking this up just yet. I still have too many great PSP games to tackle. I will pick this up once a price drop hits or that one game comes out that I must own is announced. The announcement for Crisis Core FFVII got me to pick up the PSP day one.

Maybe a PSP exclusive of Persona 5 or Kingdom Hearts 3 would do the trick

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gungrave
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 6:26:21 PM

BTW, the homebrew community is great, too bad it get's used for Pirating PSP games but I use it as an emulator to all the awsome games I played growing up on the Genesis and Snes. The PSP was made for me \m/(^o^)\m/

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dante_zero
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 8:31:22 PM
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it is worth noting that the Vita launched pretty damn close to christmas and i'm sure 3DS didn't factor in there will be alot of people having holiday breaks and days off over the christmas period. I personally have no doubt that Vita sales will pick up. Remember it's a marathon not a race and as the psp showed 70 million units + its not a failure. I gonna go pre order a 3g one here in the UK cause after having had hands on with it in September i'm convinced that Vita is going to be the first true social gaming platform. (farmville is not a social game period) Its could revolutionise alot of things with FW improvements and possibly even improve the way we use ps3's too. All i'm saying is give it time, Vita will show the naysayers what it can do in due course

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Dancemachine55
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:24:26 PM
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If they announce PS1 classic support in their next firmware update, I'm in.

One reason I loved my PSP was because I could play FF VII-IX, Driver, Metal Gear Solid, Vagrant Story. Crash Bandicoot 3 and Rayman.

If I can do that, play PSP games like God of War CoO and GoS, MGS Peacewalker, FF VII Crisis Core, Dissidia 012 FF, GTA LC Stories and VC Stories, AND play Vita greats like LBP, Modnation Racers, Uncharted, Wipeout, Killzone and unique titles like Escape Plan, well...

... yep, definitely will want a PS Vita then. Shame there's no PS1 classics support, otherwise it would be my dream handheld.

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DarthNemesis
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:40:34 PM
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I always said that the PSV would need hardcore support to succeed and no one should compare it to the 3DS which is a casual product so it will appeal to a wider audience than the PSV. The problem is that there are not that many core gamers today and those that are play console only.I personally do not like hand held games and they are more suited for children,but the tech and power of the PSV as well as the game line up has me buying one.I think people are not grasping what Sony wants to do with the PSV.It's not about out selling or competing with Nintendo,instead it is about offering a console like experience to core gamers.Contrary to popular opinion,not every product is made to compete with another.It should also be noted that Japan is casual central as well.

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cadpig
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 9:50:53 PM
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I'm not too worried about japanese sales figures.
All sony needs to do is load the vita up with FPS and RPGs games..for now anyway.

I preordered my vita for killzone and resistance. If sony can get modern warfare and battlefield on the vita. That's on par with the PS3 version. They are guaranteed market share. Boom!! there is your hardcore right there.

I think that everyone has been waiting for a portable First Person Shooter console with dual joysticks.

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blakkternalx520
Saturday, December 31, 2011 @ 5:23:55 AM
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I really dont care what the sales figures are at the moment. While many are concerned about sale records and all that, Ill be having a vita a week early and will be enjoying playing real games on a dedicated mobile gaming system. LIVE-LEARN-PLAY.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, January 01, 2012 @ 12:20:35 AM
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Ofcourse many are concerned about the sales figures. One can try to dance around the issue all they want by stating it needs hardcore gamer support. That's a given. Nobody would define a 78% decline in sales in the Vita's second week as trailing off. That is an example of spin there my friends. Analysts are calling it a flat out nosedive which is exactly what it is. Sorry, it is what it is.

Forbes says the is big trouble:

"After the PS vita launched in Japan selling 320K units in its first two days many fans were hopeful about the following full week of sales. It instead brought devastation with sales tracking in at just 72k consoles"

There was every indication to expect 200k plus consoles sold in week two.

The article mentions how Nintendo was able to reverse its fortunes after stumbling badly with a steep and early price cut. The 3DS "crushed" the Vita 483k vs 72k according to Forbes.

The Vita's NA launch is set up to be a true"debacle" and the Vita's pricing is "delusional" considering the Vita's reception in Japan. Other reasons? Launching in a week retail period of Feb.

The articles goes to state Sony will be forced to drop the Vita's price.

Okay those are Forbes words. Not mine. But does anybody else see a pattern here? Late out of the gate vs a major competitor. Complaints about price point. Negative headlines and an abrubt drop off in sales after intitial launch. Deja vu big time.

I do hope and pray that Sony does not just sit back and let events unfold like they did with the PS3. They need to respond to this in some way. Whether its following Nitendo's strategy of an agressive price cut and launching key titles or just a simple press release and an adverising campign. They can't let negativity set in because as seen with the PS3 it is so damn hard to reverse.

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taus90
Monday, January 02, 2012 @ 5:29:03 AM

I don't think the price is the reason for vita's decline in sales, it has lot to do with 3ds being out there long enough with more Japanese oriented games. MH is the biggest factor as every one knew that the MH will be releasing on 3DS not vita. On the other hand Vita's library has nothing that will excite Japanese gamers. Also I think lot of consumers have held back their purchases, assuming that Sony too will drop the price of vita just as Nintendo was forced to do with 3DS. And High speed memory cards are expensive. Bottom line is Hardcore gamers are supporting vita and are buying it, the only people who are on the fence are casual gamers, there is nothing on the vita that excites them as of now, and an assumption that vita will have a price drop. But still I don't understand what all this have to do with Ben's article.
p.s. 500,000 units sold out 700,000... well good luck finding rest of 200,000 units in ur fav store..

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Robochic
Sunday, January 01, 2012 @ 1:07:46 PM
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Can't wait to pick on up just saving up some money in the mean time.

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